Go Apple
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Topic: Go Apple
Posted By: Dye Playa
Subject: Go Apple
Date Posted: 27 February 2008 at 4:40pm
So, I bought an ipod touch in the middle of January, like a week before the January Update came out. So, I was on apples site, and saw a customer service link, had nothing better to do, and wrote a complaint basically saying that it's not fair that I have to pay the 20 bucks for the update because if I had waited a few days, I could have gotten it free pre installed on a new ipod, and I could have even returned mine to get a new one in exchange, but didn't want to go through the hassle. It didn't matter if I got it or not and thought I wasn't to anyways, but like I said, I had nothing better to do and it was worth a shot. So I write the email, the next day I am told they are very sorry and all I had to do was purchase the update, send them the transaction code, and they would refund me all my money. Awesome, so I write back thanking them and everything, and I am told my money will be in my account within a few days. I get another email today saying I have to refresh my account to get the added money, and low and behold, I have the $20 and what's this, 3 movie credits. They apologized and said the movies were complimentary and to make up for the hassle. Apple rocks my socks. Any movie suggestions? I'm definitely saving one for step up 2, but other than that I'm open to suggestions  TL;DR: Apple rocks, they gave me a free iPod Touch January Update ($20 value) and 3 free movie downloads for my "hassle". ------------- 
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Posted By: pntbl freak
Date Posted: 27 February 2008 at 4:42pm
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Why did you have to pay to get an update?
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Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 27 February 2008 at 4:44pm
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lol @ paying for updates lol @ step up 2 ------------- 
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Posted By: sinisterNorth
Date Posted: 27 February 2008 at 4:51pm
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Step Up 2... ...come on man. ------------- Pumpker'd; (V.) When a pump player runs up and shoots you at point blank range because you thought 20bps made you good. |
Posted By: ¤ Råp¡Ð F¡rè ¤
Date Posted: 27 February 2008 at 4:51pm
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Yeah, paying for updates is pretty lame. I wish Sony had as good customer service though. My PS3 died and I missed the extended warranty (for systems purchased in Nov-Dec of 2007) because I bought it on January 3rd 2007. I am now paying Sony $150 for a refurbished system in exchange. Congrats |
Posted By: Rambino
Date Posted: 27 February 2008 at 4:53pm
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In other Apple news, they just announced that they will sometime soon release software that will allow the iPhone (and Touch?) to use third-party software - which Windows Mobile/Palm devices have been doing for almost a decade now. Apple rocks indeed. (and lol @ paying for updates) ------------- [IMG]http://i38.tinypic.com/aag8s8.jpg"> |
Posted By: BARREL BREAK
Date Posted: 27 February 2008 at 4:56pm
| Brb, enjoying my Zune2 firmware for free. |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 27 February 2008 at 5:09pm
| Step Up 2? What the hell is wrong with you? |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 27 February 2008 at 5:27pm
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Apple is actually really cruddy about making their customers pay for software updates that would otherwise be free if they were for a different operating system. For example. Since the launch of OS-X, apple has generated 5 'new' OS-X pieces. While each piece can receive free "updates" for that particular version, to get support and update past about the 2-year mark, you have to purchase a 'new' version of OS-X. To put it in layman's terms, it'd be like Microsoft making you pay $180 for SP-1 and SP-2 for XP rather than just including the updates for free like they do. What's worse is that any peripherals you might want to use with your Mac usually require the latest OS to operate correctly. For example, the new Nano, Touch, etc. all require you to have at least OS-X V 10.4.5 or higher to be compatible with the iPods. That means an OS that is 3 years old or less just to use an MP3 player. Hell, XP is what, 7 years old now? ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 27 February 2008 at 5:30pm
Each little "os" increment is hardly just a patch or SP. Leopard is a big step up, and more than you'd ever get through an update. |
tallen702 wrote:Posted By: xXK1CK1NVV1NGXx
Date Posted: 27 February 2008 at 5:49pm
How many generations of the ipod could you run on osx that were older than 10.4.5 though. I mean there is just a point where you can't get things to work together without a major update. IMO all the osx updates up until now were fairly optional, I know lots of people who didn't update right away when the new os's came out. The only reason my family does it, is because well my dad gets the disks from work and makes copies, or leopard he got for free, because he works at the apple store now, and then he just gives it to all of us for our computers. Definitely not legal, but hey I see no reason in buying the family addition when you can get it for free. ------------- <Sig violation, Section 1> |
Posted By: Roll Tide
Date Posted: 27 February 2008 at 6:31pm
Yeah, since the iPhone has been out for a decade and everything.  And Tallen, I'd much rather pay for a good OS than to be given a free crappy one. ------------- <Removed sig for violation of Clause 4 of the New Sig Rules> 
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Posted By: Bolt3
Date Posted: 27 February 2008 at 6:56pm
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Sorry, I'm not an apple fanboy. ------------- <Removed sig for violation of Clause 4 of the New Sig Rules> |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 27 February 2008 at 7:16pm
How about a good free one then? http://www.ubuntu.com/ - Debian is GOD! XP, btw, is actually a rather good OS, by far the most stable that MS has ever put out aside from 2000NT. Saying that Any current iteration of OS-X is "better" than any current iteration of XP is simply not true. Honestly, it's comparing apples to oranges (no pun intended). However, arguing that point with a Mac user is pretty much pointless as Apple fanboys are about as rabidly blind and un-yielding as Sony fanboys. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: mamasboi
Date Posted: 27 February 2008 at 7:30pm
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^^^^^ Tallen is alive ^^^^^ i like my ipod the updates are free. GO 30gb video |
Posted By: Dye Playa
Date Posted: 27 February 2008 at 7:33pm
usually are but this one had an actual noticible difference so they made you pay. -------------
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Posted By: mamasboi
Date Posted: 27 February 2008 at 7:43pm
hum maybe only for the touch possibly the iphone. |
Posted By: ammolord
Date Posted: 27 February 2008 at 8:23pm
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Step Up 2? Whats wrong with you?? that is NOT a good movie nor will it ever be. ------------- PSN Tag: AmmoLord XBL: xXAmmoLordXx ~Minister of Tinkering With Things That Go "BOOM!"(AKA Minister of Munitions)~ |
Posted By: Roll Tide
Date Posted: 27 February 2008 at 8:25pm
And the same goes for the Windows diehards. Agree to disagree. EDIT: iPhone updates have been free thus far. ------------- <Removed sig for violation of Clause 4 of the New Sig Rules>
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Posted By: TheWarHam
Date Posted: 27 February 2008 at 9:52pm
And the updates are huge. Big as Xp to Vista but not every 5 years. ------------- Indeedly |
Posted By: Susan Storm
Date Posted: 27 February 2008 at 10:30pm
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Those other devices allowed for third-party software from day 1. That's the whole point, isn't it? What kind of idiot puts out a fancy new computer that can only play pre-loaded software? ------------- "No society can surely be flourishing and happy, of which the far greater part of the members are poor and miserable." |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 27 February 2008 at 10:48pm
I totally agree. I still think it's stupid that its such a huge hassle to put 3rd party crap on the iPhone/ Touch, considering that anyone who normally would install third party apps would be smart enough to figure out how. Come on steve jobs, you got your start hacking phones.... |
Posted By: benttwig33
Date Posted: 27 February 2008 at 10:59pm
Fixed ------------- Sig is WAY too big. |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 27 February 2008 at 11:04pm
Fixed |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 28 February 2008 at 12:20am
| Why the hell would you want step up 2? |
Posted By: pb125
Date Posted: 28 February 2008 at 2:03am
lol ------------- 
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Posted By: xXK1CK1NVV1NGXx
Date Posted: 28 February 2008 at 7:39am
But you also have to take in to account that the iPhone/touch were both released early. Jobs launched them because the market was getting upset that they hadn't seen the phone yet. So in order not to turn possible buyers away he released it. Now less than a year later they are releasing the use of third party apps. had we waited we probably would have seen that at the launch of the phone/iPod. ------------- <Sig violation, Section 1> |
Posted By: Roll Tide
Date Posted: 28 February 2008 at 9:32am
This is Apple's first phone they've produced. Ever. It's been pretty successful, wouldn't you say? I think it's also clear that the phone hasn't been marketed directly at the same consumers as Palm/Windows Mobile. It's not business oriented. Its primary focus is entertainment. Apple probably has some people in research that thought about the third-party problem and decided it was best to get a foot in the door into the mobile phone industry first. Less than a year later they are allowing third-party software now that over 5 million iPhones have been sold. Yeah, what an idiot! ------------- <Removed sig for violation of Clause 4 of the New Sig Rules>
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Posted By: Man Bites Dog
Date Posted: 28 February 2008 at 11:46am
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As cool as I thought the iPhone was, I love my Blackberry that much more. I seriously cannot live without it. I nearly missed a work appointment yesterday, but sure enough, my noble BB did it's thing and reminded me. ------------- 
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Posted By: Susan Storm
Date Posted: 28 February 2008 at 12:00pm
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You are right. He is not an idiot. I should have said "what kind of idiot BUYS a computer that only runs pre-loaded software?" ------------- "No society can surely be flourishing and happy, of which the far greater part of the members are poor and miserable." |
Posted By: Roll Tide
Date Posted: 28 February 2008 at 12:27pm
You're argument is really weak, IMO. The iPhone has been a HUGE success any way you look at it, regardless of third-party availability. The update will only make them that much more popular. ------------- <Removed sig for violation of Clause 4 of the New Sig Rules>
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Posted By: Susan Storm
Date Posted: 28 February 2008 at 12:43pm
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Big Macs are a huge success as well. Doesn't make them good hamburgers. The iPhone is all flash. The interface is very nice and innovative, but there is nothing new in terms of actual functionality, and it is actually significantly behind market standards when compared to similarly priced devices (or even cheaper ones). So they develop a nice new interface and attach it to yesteryear's phone. gg ------------- "No society can surely be flourishing and happy, of which the far greater part of the members are poor and miserable." |
Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 28 February 2008 at 12:44pm
My phone has an alarm calendar too  -------------
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Posted By: Roll Tide
Date Posted: 28 February 2008 at 1:40pm
You make a good argument, but you may be missing the actual point of the iPhone. It's NOT targeted to be a BlackBerry/Palm/PDA business killer. The goal was to combine all aspects of entertainment (iPod + internet + phone/text) into one simple, easy to use device. I would say it achieved that goal. Granted, it is behind other devices in certain categories - still no MMS, no 3G network, etc. However, show me a device that seamlessly integrates music, movies, internet capability, phone use, camera, so on and so forth, better than the iPhone does. Oh, and I would say the Multitouch screen is quite an innovation. Has there been others like it? Sure, but none better or easier to use. Again, the iPhone is for ENTERTAINMENT. Show me one better... ------------- <Removed sig for violation of Clause 4 of the New Sig Rules>
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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 28 February 2008 at 2:07pm
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Uhh, my Motorola MOTORAZR Maxx V6 kicks the crap out of the iPhone, and it isn't even a smart phone. You can not build a superior entertainment device on older, crappier technology.
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Posted By: Man Bites Dog
Date Posted: 28 February 2008 at 2:15pm
Not as nice as mine though  .-------------
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Posted By: Roll Tide
Date Posted: 28 February 2008 at 2:15pm
Uhh, no. Small screen, standard keypad, 50mb of memory... Nice internet features, but it's just a standard phone on steroids. Hardly "kicks the crap" out of the iPhone. ------------- <Removed sig for violation of Clause 4 of the New Sig Rules>
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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 28 February 2008 at 2:33pm
Oh I'm sorry, where's your 3G internet browsing and video calling? What if you wanted to send someone a picture message? What if you wanted to make a ringtone for the iPhone? It just isn't as customizable as the other phones available. Aside from your lacking features, the worst thing about the iPhone is the AT&T locked OS. -------------
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Posted By: Susan Storm
Date Posted: 28 February 2008 at 3:14pm
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Better? Easy. ALL of the WM devices, while generally aimed at business users, do all of those things. I use my WM phone as my inflight entertainment system. I can run thousands of aftermarket video games, I use it for music and video (using aftermarket players if I choose, which I do), I use it for ebooks, I have 3G internet connectivity, I have a 2mp camera with flash and video, I can send video messages, and I can make it do virtually anything I want - specifically because of aftermarket software. I will certainly admit that there are some things the iPhone does better than my phone, but on the whole it isn't even close. While WM devices may be aimed primarily at business users, they are also superior consumer devices. Other than the multitouch interface, my phone can basically do everything the iPhone can do, and then another thousand things as well that the iPhone cannot. For business use there is no competition, but even for normal folks the WM devices are generally just flat out better. EDIT - Did HV just say you can't even make ringtones for the iPhone? That's just retarded. I can use any mp3/wma/whatever audio file for my ringtone. Create it on my PC, sync it to the phone, and voila - ringtone. Right now I am using the middle part of Grieg's Hall of the Mountain King, which I ripped from a CD. ------------- "No society can surely be flourishing and happy, of which the far greater part of the members are poor and miserable." |
Posted By: Roll Tide
Date Posted: 28 February 2008 at 3:18pm
I've clearly already addressed, but maybe your screen was too small to see...
Motorola has been making phones for like 15 years now, maybe longer, Apple has been doing it for less than 1. To use Susan's analogy... I don't care if your burger has sun ripened tomatos, freshly sliced super duper pickles, Dijon mustard, and homemade mayonnaise, if the meat still isn't that good, than the burger is a failure. The "meat" of the iPhone (i.e. user interface, touchscreen, integration) IS good. The features will come in time. EDIT: Susan, the same applies to you. The only faults y'all can find with the iPhone are that of features. The features WILL come. ------------- <Removed sig for violation of Clause 4 of the New Sig Rules>
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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 28 February 2008 at 3:25pm
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Does the iPhone have any removable memory?
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Posted By: Roll Tide
Date Posted: 28 February 2008 at 3:27pm
No, it does not. 8gb or 16 gb flash memory, probably soon to release a 32gb model as seen in the iPod Touches. ------------- <Removed sig for violation of Clause 4 of the New Sig Rules>
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Posted By: Susan Storm
Date Posted: 28 February 2008 at 3:29pm
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And this is one of the places where I think the iPhone has the advantage. Most other devices have limited onboard memory with a slot, but 8/16 GB is more memory than you will get out of a card anyway. ------------- "No society can surely be flourishing and happy, of which the far greater part of the members are poor and miserable." |