A-5 Barrels
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Topic: A-5 Barrels
Posted By: Spikee187
Subject: A-5 Barrels
Date Posted: 10 April 2008 at 9:14pm
O.k. this may sound like a total rookie question, and despite my knowledge of paintball being above average i guess, I have a question I can not seem to find the answer to. I bought the tippmann A-5 with stealth addition, no complaints with the gun, but i got a new barrel for it, a barrel fully compatible with the tippmann A-5 but, I lack threads on my A-5, and the barrel did not come with any adapter. Does anyone know what part I need or what needs to be done? The name or a link to what I need would be great because I'm staring at this very nice looking 18 inch barrel (I'm a woodsballer) and I cannot seem to find a way to attach it to my gun, any ideas anyone?
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Posted By: unvolution
Date Posted: 10 April 2008 at 9:18pm
1) why 18" 2) what type of threads does it come with 3) http://www.actionvillage.com -
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Posted By: Spikee187
Date Posted: 10 April 2008 at 9:24pm
I like to "snipe" in shortest form of words, and secondly the barrel has standards threads I guess you would call it, same as every other barrel for the A-5 I have looked at. But my gun lacks any form of threads. The Flatline barrel attaches differently.
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Posted By: d4rkmonkey
Date Posted: 10 April 2008 at 9:30pm
*watches as argument about snipers in paintball starts*
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Posted By: Stopwatch
Date Posted: 10 April 2008 at 9:56pm
d4rkmonkey wrote:
*watches as argument about snipers in paintball starts*
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Hopefully not again.
Take some pictures of the problem to help people understand the problem. Did your gun come with the flatline? Why did you decide to switch it out, an 18inch barrel wont shoot as far.
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Posted By: Spikee187
Date Posted: 10 April 2008 at 10:19pm
Yeah the flatline came with it because it wasthe stealth addition package, and I am aware of the range issue. It's a matter of paint breaking, and just quick alternative. Though After I have had hundreds of rounds shot for testing purposes I have finally got it to reasonable performance. Though it lacks the accuracy I would like. I have heard good reports of the barrel I have purchased and liked what I read. But basically my problem is this. The flatline barrel does not connect to the A-5 via threads. It gets tightened in by 3 screws on the side of the A-5 now my barrel I have purchased along with 99% of the other A-5 barrels out there has threads. So it should be able to screw right into the gun no problem. The problem is the A-5 does not have the threads to screw into. It's just an empty space. What I think is there is a removable piece that basically is an adapter that has threads on it. On anyones A-5 do they have this piece? I am assuming that it would be removed by unscrewing or loosening the 3 screws furthest to the front of the A-5 just as my A-5 barrel is removed.
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 10 April 2008 at 10:21pm
You need the barrel adapter; part # 02-69.
../../pdfs/manuals/A-5_Schematics.pdf - Schematic link .
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Posted By: Spikee187
Date Posted: 10 April 2008 at 10:23pm
Actually yeah thats exactly what I need from the looks of it thanks much... though how would I go about getting said part?
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Posted By: ThatGuitarGuy
Date Posted: 10 April 2008 at 10:23pm
d4rkmonkey wrote:
*watches as argument about snipers in paintball starts*
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Shouldn't happen. The Marines took care of the last argument. The Marine Scout/Sniper was pretty convincing.
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Posted By: StormyKnight
Date Posted: 11 April 2008 at 9:17am
I'm assuming the problems you were having with the Flatline barrel were ball breaks. You need to dial down the velocity of the marker somewhere between 260-280fps. This is the optimal velocity range for the Flatline. You get in the 300fps range and you definitely will get ball breaks. The other part is the kind of paint you're using. The Flatline works best with a good small to medium bore paint. Marbalizer, Evil and RPS Premiums are good choices.
Wish you came here before you bought that 18" barrel. You think you got ball breaks in the Flatline? Whew. The longer a barrel is, the better the chance you'll get a ball break. It also ruins your air efficiency. The longer the barrel is, the more gas you need to use in order for the ball to leave the barrel at the right velocity. A longer barrel does not equate longer range or increased accuracy. If at all possible, get a 10"-12" barrel. That is the optimal length for any paintball marker.
I suggest you read up on the stickied FAQs on the board. There is a wealth of information here for the taking.
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Posted By: thejudge
Date Posted: 11 April 2008 at 10:50am
did you gun come with the stock barrel too? if so you have the adaptoer... its on the back of the stock barrel. You just need to twist it off ( may take some elbow grease ). As for 18" it wont give you any extra accuracy over a 12 or 14". Just get a nice 12" or 14" J&J and you will be set.
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Posted By: ThatGuitarGuy
Date Posted: 11 April 2008 at 11:10am
Spikee187 wrote:
I like to "snipe" in shortest form of words, and secondly the barrel has standards threads I guess you would call it, same as every other barrel for the A-5 I have looked at. But my gun lacks any form of threads. The Flatline barrel attaches differently.
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I know this is baiting it, but I would like to know what your definition of "to snipe" is. And how you plan on "sniping" in a paintball setting.
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 11 April 2008 at 11:17am
Excerpt from Mack's Official Dictionary of Paintball Terms:
Snipe--The act of cowering in the bushes in mortal fear of being struck by a paintball while wearing external apparel that causes the user to resemble a mutant escapee from a janitorial closet and hoping that some new player walks in front of the "sniper's" barrel* so as to provide at least one elimination for the day.
*Because the uber-leet 48" sniper barrel is to heavy to adjust for point of aim.
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Posted By: Spikee187
Date Posted: 11 April 2008 at 4:51pm
The word snipe originally came from the bird the snipe. Not sure if thats correct spelling, but regardless it basically was a fast small bird that was hard to hit. So to snipe basically means shooting at a difficult target in my eyes. So someone smart and well knowledge in any form of tactics or military strategy could easily be considered a difficult target in my eyes.
also for the balls to stop breaking in my flatline barrel i needed to be at around 250 fps which owned for rec play. But anything above that with multiple paints and velocity tweaks proved fruitless in saving the balls.
In addition I just wanted the 18 inch barrel because that with my guns stock will just look badass.
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Posted By: notom66866
Date Posted: 11 April 2008 at 5:13pm
Please, please, please... NO more sniper arguments/discussions. Takes up to much time.
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 11 April 2008 at 5:21pm
Spikee187 wrote:
The word snipe originally came from the bird the snipe.
Correct . . . irrelevant, but correct. (After all, the word surgeon initially referred to someone who stuck leaches on people to cure them.)
Not sure if thats correct spelling, . . .
It is the correct spelling.
. . . but regardless it basically was a fast small bird that was hard to hit. So to snipe basically means shooting at a difficult target in my eyes.
Wouldn't it hurt to shoot a difficult target in your eyes? Seriously, that would be fine if you were just talking (metaphorically speaking) to yourself; however, you aren't. You're communicating with a wide range of people who have certain preconceived and widely accepted notions about the meanings of certain terms/words. As an example:
Green range laurel retail implausible snickerdoodle brigadier flatulence.
That phrase may mean something to me if I choose to create my own definitions for each word, but it is useless for communicating with others. My (somewhat humorously made) point is that in paintball the term "sniper" has certain connotations and given those connotations, it is widely accepted that snipers do not exist in the realm of this sport. I could change my personal definition of the term "chick-magnet," but it wouldn't really make me one.
So someone smart and well knowledge in any form of tactics or military strategy could easily be considered a difficult target in my eyes.
This is an invalid argument. You are essentially saying that "sniper" status would be determined by the nature of the target as opposed to the skills/capabilities of the so called sniper. Thus, if such an individual stayed in the same bush for an entire game and shot two people he/she would be a sniper when taking out the experienced ex-military player but would not be when shooting the first time noob.
also for the balls to stop breaking in my flatline barrel i needed to be at around 250 fps which owned for rec play.
You should be able to get better velocity than that out of the F/L barrel. This sounds like it could be a paint or environmental related problem.
But anything above that with multiple paints and velocity tweaks proved fruitless in saving the balls.
The multiple paints makes a paint related problem less likely. What was the weather like?
In addition I just wanted the 18 inch barrel because that with my guns stock will just look badass.
If you like it, then by all means play with it. You may run into some negatives with a barrel that long, but there are advantages as well. Regarding the post which mentioned that long barrels are less air efficient: If you are using a stock firing mechanism and velocity adjuster, then air efficiency is not actually an issue for you. The way the Tippmann velocity adjuster works does not affect velocity by using less air. So, as long as you haven't added an RVA or heavier main spring, you aren't using additional air.
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Posted By: Spikee187
Date Posted: 11 April 2008 at 5:31pm
Haha way to depthy. People worry about this sniper word way to much when it comes to paintball. It's a widely used word and everyone understands the concept so why worry people lets be real. It's a waste of time to argue over something so simple. If the word sniper bothers people than the other words used to describe other paintball positions could also be an insult or annoy some people. Just stating an opinion lol
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 11 April 2008 at 5:56pm
Spikee187 wrote:
Haha way to depthy.
I may be wrong, but I tend to translate replies such as the one above as meaning something along the lines of "I didn't bother to read it or I didn't understand it; but it doesn't matter because I'm still right."
People worry about this sniper word way to much when it comes to paintball.
Maybe. Some people can see/hear something that is factually incorrect and ignore it, some have to correct it. No one that doesn't want to participate in/observe such a discussion has to.
It's a widely used word and everyone understands the concept . . .
Exactly. The problem is that the only way to apply the term to paintball is to change the concept from a highly skilled and trained marksman that eliminates vital targets at extreme ranges to some random guy that hides in a bush and shoots other random guys.
so why worry people lets be real. It's a waste of time to argue over something so simple.
That is your opinion; other may not consider it a waste of time to argue the point. (If it is such a waste of time, why am I not the only one posting in this discussion?)
If the word sniper bothers people than the other words used to describe other paintball positions could also be an insult or annoy some people.
Such as? Only a couple of other military-related positions that I have seen used as a paintball position references come to mind.
- Heavy gunner--not a term I have a problem with in paintball.
- An individual with a Flatline marker can place suppressive fire on opposition at longer ranges in a manner similar to what an M60/M240 gunner does.
- Grenadier--not fully applicable; mainly due to the technology being employed.
- A grenadier with a bandoleer of paint grenades is actually filling a role very similar to what the original 17th century grenadiers did.
- The term becomes less applicable when applied to players with various types of launchers, but only because of the technology issue mentioned earlier.
If by "other paintball positions" you are referring to the Spec Op positions, I don't have a problem with them either; probably because the SO guys were smart enough to mainly choose names with neutral connotations. For instance if some player on the field states "I'm a Hammer," it doesn't bother me. I just quietly note to myself that the individual has just publicly declared themselves to be a tool and get back to whatever I was doing.
Just stating an opinion lol
Ditto. I am merely stating and supporting an opinion as well.
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Posted By: StormyKnight
Date Posted: 11 April 2008 at 6:13pm
Spikee187 wrote:
So someone smart and well knowledge in any form of tactics or military strategy could easily be considered a difficult target in my eyes. |
A Sniper takes out high profile targets of opportunity (officers, light armored vehicles, etc.) from long range and cover/concealment. Since there is no paintball gun equivalent to a sniper rifle, there are no snipers in paintball. There are plenty of trained military personnel both past and present that partake of the forums here that have exhaustedly pointed this fact out in far greater detail than I have here. If you wish to argue the point, the same said ex and present military members will be happy to point out your ignorance. &n bsp;
also for the balls to stop breaking in my flatline barrel i needed to be at around 250 fps which owned for rec play. But anything above that with multiple paints and velocity tweaks proved fruitless in saving the balls. |
Which is why you need to buy better paint. But you have your mind made up. Sell the Flatline barrel and get something out of it.
In addition I just wanted the 18 inch barrel because that with my guns stock will just look badass. |
The only thing a longer barrel does is impress newbs. Everyone else will just shake their heads knowingly. You will see side-long glances and smirks from those that understand. You will most likely get comments like you're receiving here.
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Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 11 April 2008 at 6:14pm
Damn, how did I not see this sooner?
I might post on the subject later, but right now I have a wedding to go to.
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Posted By: StormyKnight
Date Posted: 11 April 2008 at 6:18pm
Snake6 wrote:
Damn, how did I not see this sooner?
I might post on the subject later, but right now I have a wedding to go to.
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That's what I was wondering too.
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Posted By: ThatGuitarGuy
Date Posted: 11 April 2008 at 6:26pm
Spike, the reason I worry so much about the "sniper" word in paintball, is the 6 years of my life that I just spent in the Marines as a "Scout/Sniper" and the countless weeks of training and practice.
Now, for someone who just bought an 18" barrel, and decides to hide in the woods and take out some people with some paintballs to call themselves a "sniper" this greatly takes away from the prestige that is carried in the Armed Forces for my rank and MOS.
A "sniper" is trained in the art of concealment, and marksmanship. When you can demonstrate to me or any Ex- or current Soldier, that you can lay low for hours, days, even weeks at a time, waiting on your high-priority target, and take him out from long range (I had rules to never engage at less than 300 yards, unless in a life or death situation) then you can throw around this "sniper" word.
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Posted By: Susan Storm
Date Posted: 11 April 2008 at 6:38pm
ThatGuitarGuy wrote:
Spike, the reason I worry so much about the "sniper" word in paintball, is the 6 years of my life that I just spent in the Marines as a "Scout/Sniper" and the countless weeks of training and practice.
Now, for someone who just bought an 18" barrel, and decides to hide in the woods and take out some people with some paintballs to call themselves a "sniper" this greatly takes away from the prestige that is carried in the Armed Forces for my rank and MOS. |
I'm sorry, but that is really dumb.
Does it also offend you that I wear MARPAT despite not being a Marine? How about if I like people to call me "general" on the field, despite not being an actual general?
Hate to break it to you, but paintball is dress-up time. Should the Scots be offended every time somebody plays paintball in a kilt?
Seriously. If a guy wants to run around playing "sniper", what business is that of yours?
Your panties - untwist them.
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Posted By: ThatGuitarGuy
Date Posted: 11 April 2008 at 6:44pm
Actually, you wearing MarPat doesn't bother me at all. Unless it's Marine Issue MarPat. Then I would like to know where you got it.
Ehh. Rank doesn't bother me, and I'm pretty sure I've never seen anyone playing paintball in a kilt. Although, that's an interesting idea, with my Scottish heritage and all.
My issue is someone calling themselves "sniper" while only using general infantry tactics. Anyone who went through Basic knows how to use their surroundings for cover, and basic hiding. Lying in wait and shooting someone at close range isn't "sniping," it's basically an ambush. All they need is the rest of their squad there for back up.
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 11 April 2008 at 6:44pm
Snake6 wrote:
Damn, how did I not see this sooner? |
You must be slipping.
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Posted By: Susan Storm
Date Posted: 11 April 2008 at 6:48pm
ThatGuitarGuy wrote:
My issue is someone calling themselves "sniper" while only using general infantry tactics. Anyone who went through Basic knows how to use their surroundings for cover, and basic hiding.
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Still all twisted up.
Children run around playing "cowboys" and "indians" when they are neither. Should that offend anybody?
Seriously - you are taking this game WAY too seriously. It's a game. People are playing. My hint for happy living: If people are playing, you shouldn't take it too seriously. Getting offended by a game is really silly.
(And you haven't seen anybody in a kilt? Seriously? That's pretty common around here...)
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Posted By: notom66866
Date Posted: 11 April 2008 at 6:55pm
I have an idea gentleman. Lets make a sticky post called "There are no snipers in paintball... Period! It will be the first thing people see when entering the forum. That way people will know what will happen when they say " I want to be a sniper." This will save alot of time as every time somebody makes this comment they get "yelled" at for about 50 posts. I've only been a member of this forum since March and I've already seen about 8 "Sniper Gate" posts.
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Posted By: ThatGuitarGuy
Date Posted: 11 April 2008 at 7:06pm
notom66866 wrote:
I have an idea gentleman. Lets make a sticky post called "There are no snipers in paintball... Period! It will be the first thing people see when entering the forum. That way people will know what will happen when they say " I want to be a sniper." This will save alot of time as every time somebody makes this comment they get "yelled" at for about 50 posts. I've only been a member of this forum since March and I've already seen about 8 "Sniper Gate" posts. |
It's much more fun to smash their hopes and dreams. And new forum people tend to not read the stickies anyway.
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Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 11 April 2008 at 11:21pm
There used to be a sticky about it. Nobody read it, so it was taken down.
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Posted By: Spikee187
Date Posted: 12 April 2008 at 11:34am
I understand of the capabilities of a Marine scout sniper. I am a full blooded U.S. citizen and love and respect my country. Now if your offended by the use of the word sniper well then thats somewhat disappointing. If you do not like the use of the word due to the lack of guns that shoot as far as a sniper rifle fine. If you do not like the use of the word sniper because there are usually only subtle differences in accuracy fine. But when you take it offensively then well thats your own issue. A paintball sniper and a regular sniper have their differences and their similarities. They take shots from a distance, they hope for an elimination in one shot, and they often where ghillies and sit for quite some time. On the other hand they don't have the range they don't have a spotter, and they don't sit for half the time of a real sniper. Those are just differences in opinions and well those will be debated and argued throughout the ages I'm sure of it.
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 12 April 2008 at 1:14pm
Spikee187 wrote:
I understand of the capabilities of a Marine scout sniper. I am a full blooded U.S. citizen and love and respect my country. Now if your offended by the use of the word sniper well then thats somewhat disappointing.
I can't speak for others, but I'm not offended. However there are a lot of new players who read these forums, so I correct misinformation when I can. The existence of paintball snipers is an example of such misinformation. Inexperienced players hear the term "paintball sniper" and visualize themselves as Carlos Hathcock taking down important opponents and singlehandedly winning the game when the truth is that there generally are no opponents more important than any other*, they only get a shot if someone is unlucky/stupid enough to wander up to them** and they generally end up hurting their team by removing themselves from the game and hiding.
If you do not like the use of the word due to the lack of guns that shoot as far as a sniper rifle fine.
No problem with the word at all; the problem is with applying it to paintball. As you just pointed out paintball technology and rules result in all markers being essentially equal in the range department***. Thus, one of the primary aspects of being a sniper does not apply to paintball.
If you do not like the use of the word sniper because there are usually only subtle differences in accuracy fine.
Actually, I hadn't considered that, but you have brought up an excellent additional argument against the existence of paintball snipers. One of the attributes of snipers is specialized equipment that provides accuracy beyond what the normal line troops have. As you rightly pointed out, this doesn't really exist in paintball. Thank you for pointing out a non-applicable aspect of this belief that I had not previously considered.
But when you take it offensively then well thats your own issue.
I'm not offended, I'm just correcting misperceptions. You are absolutely right though; everyone has a right to believe what they want. However, when they pass an incorrect belief (or a belief that is perceived as being incorrect) off as fact, then they should also expect to have that belief challenged and realize that others will expect them to support their assertions. If they fail to support their assertions, then they should not be surprised when others continue to consider them as being wrong and continue to point this out as a counter to those incorrect statements.
A paintball sniper and a regular sniper have their differences . . .
Wouldn't these differences that you admit to then make the "paintball sniper" not a sniper?
. . . and their similarities.
Similarities can be drawn between many different things; such similarities do not make one thing another. For instance, indoor-outdoor carpeting comes in a green color, it does not make it grass.
They take shots from a distance, . . .
Which (given the range limitations of paintball equipment) the real snipers make on a regular basis and the paintball snipers don't.
. . . they hope for an elimination in one shot, . . .
Paintball snipers "hope," real snipers have training, experience and a specialized weapon to utilize instead.
. . . and they often where (wear) ghillies . . .
Is a paintball sniper the same as
a real sniper because they both wear ghillies? If so, then anyone on
the field in BDUs is the same as a real soldier. This is not a valid argument; utilizing this theory I could put on a set of scrubs and call myself Dr. Mack.
. . . and sit for quite some time.
That is a laughable comparison. Sitting for "some time" in a paintball game equates to minutes; military snipers have been know to take days, even weeks, to complete a stalk.
On the other hand they don't have the range . . .
Which is one of the primary attributes of snipers. (This contradict what you said above about one of the similarities being ". . . they take shots from a distance . . .")
. . . they don't have a spotter, . . .
True. But they don't need one because what they are doing is not sniping.
. . . and they don't sit for half the time of a real sniper.
I won't argue this. (It does however contradict what you said above about one of the similarities being that they both ". . . sit for quite some time.")
Those are just differences in opinions . . .
True. Additionally, people are allowed to have differing opinions. But, when one asserts that one's opinion is correct and others disagree a debate will ensue because those with differing opinions also have a right to state/support their beliefs as well.
. . . and well those will be debated and argued throughout the ages I'm sure of it.
Also true; but when one opinion is supported with facts and logic and the other is supported by baseless assertions, the one with the facts and logic is generally correct.
*I realize there are "generals" in scenario games and that they are worth points. However, these "generals" don't go wandering around the field getting themselves shot in random ambushes. Additionally, scenario play is a very miniscule part of woods paintball as a whole.
**If a "paintball sniper" stakes out a path or choke point he may have the opportunity to engage several targets, however anyone silly enough to be using a known path/choke point on the field is probably either a new player or a stupid player; neither of which qualify as high value. Additionally, this is not sniping, it is ambushing.
***The Flatline and Apex provide additional range, but the accuracy at that additional range negates the possibility of the one-shot-one-kill traditionally associated with sniping. These barrels are much better suited for fire support roles.
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Edited Note:
There is a name for hiding in the bushes and shooting opponents without warning at ranges within the capabilities of the weapons of both forces: It's called ambushing and it is a basic infantry tactic.
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Posted By: StormyKnight
Date Posted: 12 April 2008 at 3:14pm
Well said Mack. Nicely done.
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Posted By: ThatGuitarGuy
Date Posted: 12 April 2008 at 4:00pm
And Mack said with much more clarity what I have been trying to get across.
Too bad one of the major abilities of a sniper is to go days or weeks without talking. I've apparently lost most of my communication skills, as I can't get my points across with the clarity I would like.
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Posted By: Spikee187
Date Posted: 12 April 2008 at 4:35pm
Haha I do like how in depth you the conversation. It makes me have to think much less because you have done the thinking for me. But overall I am not here to debate the existence of snipers in paintball. Honestly I do not care either way about the whole issue, I am rather indifferent to the whole thing. If someone calls themselves a sniper in paintball, I will understand what they mean. Or rather their overall purpose in paintball. So that is probably why the word is so widely used. Granted calling it something doesn't mean it is something. But if a person can say a word, and basically everyone around them knows what they are talking about then well I would rather just call them a sniper. Saves everyone a lot of trouble. So all in all the point remains people will still use the word sniper out of ignorance, simplicity, or even just overall convenience. So no matter what points either side has the arguments will remain roughly 50/50. If by my posts you feel I am defending the fact that there are snipers in paintball then you are mistaken, as a result of misreading or my error. Probably mostly me. But I will defend the use of the word sniper for convenience. No way will everyone stop using the word so it is just far easier to use the word than to spell it out every time you explain your role/favorite position.
Also thank your for pointing out the where / wear typo i was on my way out and typing in a hurry. I also cannot wait for your dissection of my post. 
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 12 April 2008 at 5:09pm
Spikee187 wrote:
Haha I do like how in depth you the conversation. It makes me have to think much less because you have done the thinking for me. But overall I am not here to debate the existence of snipers in paintball. Honestly I do not care either way about the whole issue, I am rather indifferent to the whole thing. If someone calls themselves a sniper in paintball, I will understand what they mean. Or rather their overall purpose in paintball.
I also understand what someone means when they announce they are a sniper at the paintball field. It means that they are going to go hide someplace and hope someone strolls by for them to shoot. It means their team is already down one player.
So that is probably why the word is so widely used. Granted calling it something doesn't mean it is something. But if a person can say a word, and basically everyone around them knows what they are talking about then well I would rather just call them a sniper. Saves everyone a lot of trouble. So all in all the point remains people will still use the word sniper out of ignorance, simplicity, or even just overall convenience.
The fact that numerous people may do something does not make that specific something correct. That is the type of logic shown by a child who justifies an action to his/her parents by saying "everyone else was doing it."
So no matter what points either side has the arguments will remain roughly 50/50.
Where do you get 50/50 from? Using just this thread as an example you are the only one advocating this incorrect terminology usage while there are 4 individuals who obviously disagree with you. That results in an 80% disbelief rate in paintball snipers. Using your own logic from earlier regarding judging correctness based on numbers you would obviously be wrong.
If by my posts you feel I am defending the fact that there are snipers in paintball then you are mistaken, as a result of misreading or my error. Probably mostly me. But I will defend the use of the word sniper for convenience.
Again, an invalid argument. Convenience doe not equal correctness.
No way will everyone stop using the word so it is just far easier to use the word than to spell it out every time you explain your role/favorite position.
Also invalid. Using this logic one could argue that we should do away with speed limits because so many people ignore them. Actually, saying "I'm going to set up an ambush" on the field is a more accurate description than saying "I'm going to snipe." The first case is fairly self-explanatory to everyone; the second would create confusion between the experienced players who realize their team is now down a player and the noobs who visualize the "sniper" as out in the bush making long distance shots without fear of retaliation.
Also thank your for pointing out the where / wear typo i was on my way out and typing in a hurry.
You're welcome. I normally don't pick apart grammar/spelling unless it's really bad (yours wasn't) but that specific error annoyed me because it was distracting.
I also cannot wait for your dissection of my post. 
Provided as requested.
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Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 12 April 2008 at 5:38pm
Spikee187 wrote:
Haha I do like how in depth you the conversation.
One of the many services we offer here.
It makes me have to think much less because you have done the thinking for me.
I guess this is why you have failed to provide an effective argument for the existence of snipers in paintball.
But overall I am not here to debate the existence of snipers in paintball.
Then why did you start the argument in the first place?
Honestly I do not care either way about the whole issue, I am rather indifferent to the whole thing.
Obviously you do, otherwise you would not have tried to argue for the existence of a fictional object.
If someone calls themselves a sniper in paintball, I will understand what they mean. Or rather their overall purpose in paintball. So that is probably why the word is so widely used.
What do they mean? What is their overall purpose? I see that the overall purpose of a wanna be "sniper" is to be a complete noob, someone who sits in the back of the field taking potshots at people from well beyond any range that can be useful to the team, because they are afraid to get hit. I also consider this wanna be "sniper" as a man that has been taken out of the game before it even begins. So as soon as some noob says "im a gonna go snipe at ppls!!" I adjust my strategy accordingly because my team is now playing a man down.
Granted calling it something doesn't mean it is something. But if a person can say a word, and basically everyone around them knows what they are talking about then well I would rather just call them a sniper. Saves everyone a lot of trouble.
That doesn't change the fact that they are a detriment to the team, a useless waste of manpower, and a completely stupid idea to begin with.
So all in all the point remains people will still use the word sniper out of ignorance, simplicity, or even just overall convenience. So no matter what points either side has the arguments will remain roughly 50/50.
Um, no. Its not 50/50. Its about 90/10. Every member of this forum except for people who are absolute noobs know the facts that there are no sniper in paintball. I have yet to see one person come to your defense on this issue.
If by my posts you feel I am defending the fact that there are snipers in paintball then you are mistaken, as a result of misreading or my error. Probably mostly me.
[Translation]I don't have facts, and I am not mentally advanced enough to from logical opinions on this issue so I will act like this never happened.[/Translation]
But I will defend the use of the word sniper for convenience. No way will everyone stop using the word so it is just far easier to use the word than to spell it out every time you explain your role/favorite position.
I do not see how it convenient? What is the first thing people think about when you say sniper? Its defiantly not a one-man close ambush. When I hear the word sniper I think of GySgt Carlos Hathcock, one of the greatest snipers of all time. How does anythign a real sniper do describe what one of your magical "paintball snipers" do?
Also thank your for pointing out the where / wear typo i was on my way out and typing in a hurry. I also cannot wait for your dissection of my post. 
Done.
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Posted By: Spikee187
Date Posted: 12 April 2008 at 5:41pm
Well I agree they are not very valid arguments. The 50/50 is just a rough average, on this topic it's not but this is also not an actual poll or vote. For the most part though the debate rages on due to people either A.) not caring (such as myself overall) B.) They feel strongly ab out their side or of course the worst reason C.) Ignorance (go general public) But I do disagree someone playing the "Sn*per role" does not mean their team is already down one member. Provided the team understands how best to utilize the "Sn*per". Example simply being your typical ambush. Military tactics 101, the standard Bait and tackle. Though him/her being used this way does in fact not make him/her a "Sn*per" it makes that person an ambusher. It just falls back to the way the term loosely is tied to paintball. That is their purpose in paintball, to stealthily wait in position to ambush, or slowly advance to a flank to eliminate members at the right time.
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 12 April 2008 at 6:00pm
Spikee187 wrote:
Well I agree they are not very valid arguments.
Correct.
The 50/50 is just a rough average, on this topic it's not but this is also not an actual poll or vote. For the most part though the debate rages on due to people either A.) not caring (such as myself overall)
If you don't care, why do you seem to support the idea of snipers in paintball by continuing to attempt to justify the misuse of that specific terminology? Actually, if you don't care why do you continue posting on the topic at all? This post snippet from the first page of the thread may provide the answer:
Spikee187 wrote:
I like to "snipe" in shortest form of words . . . |
B.) They feel strongly ab out their side or of course the worst reason C.) Ignorance (go general public) But I do disagree someone playing the "Sn*per role" does not mean their team is already down one member. Provided the team understands how best to utilize the "Sn*per". Example simply being your typical ambush. Military tactics 101, the standard Bait and tackle. Though him/her being used this way does in fact not make him/her a "Sn*per" it makes that person an ambusher.
The preceding argument just negated most of your other attempts to prove your point. Additionally, in 23 years in the military, I don't ever recall a tactic called "Bait and tackle."
It just falls back to the way the term loosely is tied to paintball. That is their purpose in paintball, to stealthily wait in position to ambush, . . .
In which case they're ambushing, not sniping.
. . . or slowly advance to a flank to eliminate members at the right time.
In which case they are attacking, not sniping. Also, this specific tactic is not a tactic used by snipers very often as it is generally not related to their mission. (Snake and GuitarGuy can give you more info on that.)
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Posted By: Spikee187
Date Posted: 13 April 2008 at 10:06am
I continue to post because I don't mind the use of the word. It is whether or not paintball snipers exist is what I don't care about. The use of the word is what I will argue, For convenience sake. As far as the "Bait and Tackle" goes, thats not the actual name but it's a term that basically is used to describe the tactic of someone remaining behind concealed. Then other team members advance only to fall back leading the enemy right into his ambush.
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 13 April 2008 at 12:52pm
Spikee187 wrote:
I continue to post because I don't mind the use of the word. It is whether or not paintball snipers exist is what I don't care about.
So . . . you are posting because you want to argue a point that you admit is incorrect.
The use of the word is what I will argue, For convenience sake.
Not actually all that convenient. (As pointed out several times.)
As far as the "Bait and Tackle" goes, thats not the actual name but it's a term that basically is used to describe the tactic of someone remaining behind concealed.
I was going to contradict you here, but I realized you beat me to it . . . and did it most effectively. As a suggestion for future discussions, perhaps you should limit your argument to topics where you don't have to admit that you don't know what you're talking about while in the midst of trying to support your point. For the amusement of others, I post the picture below:

Then other team members advance only to fall back leading the enemy right into his ambush.
It is a valid tactic and it can work. However, as you admitted in a previous post, it is not sniping. It's called an ambush. It would be a more effective ambush if the roles were reversed. Using a smaller force to lure the opposition into the fire of a larger concealed force with interlocking fields of fire, flank security established and possibly a pre-designated mobile element to sweep through laterally in coordination with the base of fire would eliminate much more of the opposition than a one-person ambush.
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I'm going to restate your basic argument* in hopes that you see the error of your ways:
- Current arguments:
- Paintball snipers do not exist.
- You say you aren't one and they don't exist.
- You also claimed to "snipe" in an earlier post.
- You are defending the use of the term "sniper" in paintball for convenience.
- Abandoned arguments.
- ". . . to snipe basically means shooting at a difficult target
- "A paintball sniper and a regular sniper have their differences and their similarities." (The "they're the same but different" argument.)
- The "everybody does it" (misuses the term) argument.
Given the complete absence of logical/factual support for your position and the number of self-defeating points (including admitting the non-existence of paintball snipers) you have provided, I have come to the conclusion that you continue to stubbornly argue this point for one of two reasons:
- First Option: You do, as indicated by an earlier post, consider yourself a paintball sniper. You just lack the cojones to actually admit it on the forum and are trying to justify continuing to call yourself one based on more theoretical arguments.
- If it is that important to you, then continue to consider yourself special because you are a paintball sniper. When you announce your position at the field, many others will probably consider you special as well.
- Just don't expect us to accept unsupported/incorrect assertions at face value on this forum.
- Second Option: You are a troll and are just trying to be annoying. (Based on the fact that you are continuing to argue a point you admit is wrong.)
- A sub-class 4** troll to be accurate.
On the original topic; did you have a stock barrel with an adapter or are you going to have to purchase one?
*Color-coding added to highlight directly contradictory points. **Ineffective, yet mildly amusing.
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Posted By: Spikee187
Date Posted: 13 April 2008 at 4:55pm
The thing is, I am not trying to argue. I continue to post because
well, when there is a discussion it is important to throw in all
aspects and all sides of the discussion. That is all, but this
argument/debate is not really existent. Your arguing the existence of
paintball snipers and I am just throwing other sides into the equation.
That is all, no more no less. Like I said the word or the existence of
paintball snipers is not in anyway going to effect my game play or
experience when playing paintball. It's not like the esrb game notice
Game experience may change during online play.
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 13 April 2008 at 5:33pm
Spikee187 wrote:
The thing is, I am not trying to argue.
Then what did this mean?
Spikee187 wrote:
. . . I will defend the use of the word sniper for convenience. |
I continue to post because
well, when there is a discussion it is important to throw in all
aspects and all sides of the discussion.
It is also important to support one's side of the discussion. Failing to do so is indicative that it lacks validity. Continuing to argue a position that lacks validity is the classic sign of a troll.
That is all, but this
argument/debate is not really existent.
Um . . . there are a couple of pages of it here; how does it not exist?
Your arguing the existence of
paintball snipers and I am just throwing other sides into the equation.
Without supporting it. Continually going "well what about this?" is not support, it is merely a desperate scramble for survival once the untenability of an invalid position is realized. Your arguments are the equivalent of saying Santa Clause exists because lots of toddlers believe in him.
That is all, no more no less. Like I said the word or the existence of
paintball snipers is not in anyway going to effect my game play or
experience when playing paintball. It's not like the esrb game notice
Game experience may change during online play.
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Posted By: notom66866
Date Posted: 13 April 2008 at 7:36pm
Ladies and gentleman introducing April's "Sniper Gate."
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 13 April 2008 at 9:16pm
notom66866 wrote:
Ladies and gentleman introducing April's "Sniper Gate." |
Nyah. This doesn't qualify. It's a lot more interesting when the
pro-sniper side of the discussion is capable of using logic, provides
facts and doesn't keep admitting they're wrong.
This has devolved to more of a discussion of whether or not Spikee187 is exceedingly desperate to be considered a sniper or is just a troll.
I vote sniper. (Feel free to vote and update the tally.)
Tally: Sniper--1 Troll--0
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Posted By: Ace_Of_Spades
Date Posted: 14 April 2008 at 11:26am
Spikee187 wrote:
Haha I do like how in depth you the conversation. It makes me have to think much less because you have done the thinking for me. But overall I am not here to debate the existence of snipers in paintball. Honestly I do not care either way about the whole issue, I am rather indifferent to the whole thing. If someone calls themselves a sniper in paintball, I will understand what they mean. Or rather their overall purpose in paintball. So that is probably why the word is so widely used. Granted calling it something doesn't mean it is something. But if a person can say a word, and basically everyone around them knows what they are talking about then well I would rather just call them a sniper. Saves everyone a lot of trouble. So all in all the point remains people will still use the word sniper out of ignorance, simplicity, or even just overall convenience. So no matter what points either side has the arguments will remain roughly 50/50. If by my posts you feel I am defending the fact that there are snipers in paintball then you are mistaken, as a result of misreading or my error. Probably mostly me. But I will defend the use of the word sniper for convenience. No way will everyone stop using the word so it is just far easier to use the word than to spell it out every time you explain your role/favorite position.
Also thank your for pointing out the where / wear typo i was on my way out and typing in a hurry. I also cannot wait for your dissection of my post. 
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short hand- Your right im wrong
i wonder if this will go past the 10...or 11 pages, mine went to 
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Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 14 April 2008 at 4:29pm
Troll.
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