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Topic: Happy Holidays folks.
Posted By: Bunkered
Subject: Happy Holidays folks.
Date Posted: 20 April 2008 at 3:36pm
N/T.
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 20 April 2008 at 3:45pm
Meh
The only thing that I don't understand is why cops don't do drug lockdowns on april 20th. (on years when it falls during the week)
The local radio station is doing a 4:20 day
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Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 20 April 2008 at 3:50pm
carl_the_sniper wrote:
Meh
The only thing that I don't understand is why cops don't do drug lockdowns on april 20th. (on years when it falls during the week)
The local radio station is doing a 4:20 day |
What do you mean by "drug lockdown?"
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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 20 April 2008 at 4:04pm
How did the drug test go?
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Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 20 April 2008 at 4:05pm
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LOL MARYJANE!!!!ONE!!111!
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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 20 April 2008 at 4:20pm
Omgag in at 4:20 on 4/20 Smoke weed
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 20 April 2008 at 4:23pm
Bunkered wrote:
carl_the_sniper wrote:
Meh
The only thing that I don't understand is why cops don't do drug lockdowns on april 20th. (on years when it falls during the week)
The local radio station is doing a 4:20 day |
What do you mean by "drug lockdown?" |
Lockdown the school to bring the drug dogs in.
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Posted By: impulse!
Date Posted: 20 April 2008 at 4:44pm
carl_the_sniper wrote:
Bunkered wrote:
carl_the_sniper wrote:
Meh
The only thing that I don't understand is why cops don't do drug lockdowns on april 20th. (on years when it falls during the week)
The local radio station is doing a 4:20 day |
What do you mean by "drug lockdown?" |
Lockdown the school to bring the drug dogs in. |
Why would they do that? They have you as a rat.
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Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 20 April 2008 at 4:47pm
out of all the teachers i talked to at my highschool, only a couple knew about 4/20.
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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 20 April 2008 at 4:49pm
Columbine Anniversary!!!
Anyone up for some Doom?
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Posted By: impulse!
Date Posted: 20 April 2008 at 4:51pm
Hades wrote:
Columbine Anniversary!!!
Anyone up for some Doom? |
Oh man that's chilly.
Anyway I'm going to go download on xbox live.
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Posted By: Roll Tide
Date Posted: 20 April 2008 at 5:27pm
Benjichang wrote:
Omgag in at 4:20 on 4/20 Smoke weed
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Damnit, I managed to miss both 4:20am and 4:20pm.
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Posted By: notXXscared
Date Posted: 20 April 2008 at 6:04pm
Lulz, my friend asked his boss if he got paid time and a half today
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Posted By: Glassjaw
Date Posted: 20 April 2008 at 6:18pm
I hope everyone enjoys the festivities.
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Posted By: bravecoward
Date Posted: 20 April 2008 at 6:22pm
BAT SIGNAL
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Posted By: Shub
Date Posted: 20 April 2008 at 7:31pm
Hades wrote:
How did the drug test go? |
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Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 20 April 2008 at 11:10pm
Shub wrote:
Hades wrote:
How did the drug test go? |
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It's been a while and they haven't called, but oh well.
I have a job and I'm supposed to be getting a raise on the next check anyways because I told them I was looking for other jobs.
I was up north at 4:20am partying, and on the golf course at 4:20pm.
'Twas a good weekend.
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 20 April 2008 at 11:15pm
impulse! wrote:
carl_the_sniper wrote:
Bunkered wrote:
carl_the_sniper wrote:
Meh
The only thing that I don't understand is why cops don't do drug lockdowns on april 20th. (on years when it falls during the week)
The local radio station is doing a 4:20 day |
What do you mean by "drug lockdown?" |
Lockdown the school to bring the drug dogs in. | Why would they do that? They have you as a rat. |
What do you mean???
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Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 20 April 2008 at 11:19pm
carl_the_sniper wrote:
impulse! wrote:
carl_the_sniper wrote:
Bunkered wrote:
carl_the_sniper wrote:
Meh
The only thing that I don't understand is why cops don't do drug lockdowns on april 20th. (on years when it falls during the week)
The local radio station is doing a 4:20 day |
What do you mean by "drug lockdown?" |
Lockdown the school to bring the drug dogs in. | Why would they do that? They have you as a rat. |
What do you mean??? |
That you'd probably rat someone out for having ganja. I thought that was pretty clear.
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Posted By: Man Bites Dog
Date Posted: 20 April 2008 at 11:27pm
BEIN LEID TAH
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Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 20 April 2008 at 11:41pm
Man Bites Dog wrote:
BEIN LEID TAH
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Posted By: benttwig33
Date Posted: 21 April 2008 at 1:38am
Bunkered wrote:
Shub wrote:
Hades wrote:
How did the drug test go? |
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It's been a while and they haven't called, but oh well.
I have a job and I'm supposed to be getting a raise on the next check anyways because I told them I was looking for other jobs.
I was up north at 4:20am partying, and on the golf course at 4:20pm.
'Twas a good weekend. |
Where I work if they know you ar elooking for somrthing else, and the voss gets wind of it....your fired
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Posted By: Pate
Date Posted: 21 April 2008 at 12:44pm
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4:20pm came around and it was that time.
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Posted By: tgaffner
Date Posted: 21 April 2008 at 1:37pm
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Its NOT a freakin holiday!!
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Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 21 April 2008 at 1:38pm
Bunkered wrote:
Man Bites Dog wrote:
BEIN LEID TAH
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I laughed.
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Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 21 April 2008 at 3:49pm
tgaffner wrote:
Its NOT a freakin holiday!! |
Then why did my boss give me a three day weekend?
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Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 21 April 2008 at 4:30pm
Something very odd just happened.
My dad came home an hour early and my vaporizer was sitting outside on the front porch...
I was hoping he didn't see it, until he told me I'd better put it away before my mom got home, and that was it.
I haven't been "caught" with anything in years, and I'm very surprised that he didn't flip out. Kind of strange.
He probably has never seen anything electronic like that for smoking, and was confused.
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Posted By: Glassjaw
Date Posted: 21 April 2008 at 5:25pm
I had quite the long weekend.
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 21 April 2008 at 5:37pm
Bunkered wrote:
carl_the_sniper wrote:
impulse! wrote:
carl_the_sniper wrote:
Bunkered wrote:
carl_the_sniper wrote:
Meh
The only thing that I don't understand is why cops don't do drug lockdowns on april 20th. (on years when it falls during the week)
The local radio station is doing a 4:20 day |
What do you mean by "drug lockdown?" |
Lockdown the school to bring the drug dogs in. | Why would they do that? They have you as a rat. |
What do you mean??? |
That you'd probably rat someone out for having ganja. I thought that was pretty clear. |
Oh, ok.
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Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 23 April 2008 at 12:39pm
carl_the_sniper wrote:
Bunkered wrote:
carl_the_sniper wrote:
impulse! wrote:
carl_the_sniper wrote:
Bunkered wrote:
carl_the_sniper wrote:
Meh
The only thing that I don't understand is why cops don't do drug lockdowns on april 20th. (on years when it falls during the week)
The local radio station is doing a 4:20 day |
What do you mean by "drug lockdown?" |
Lockdown the school to bring the drug dogs in. | Why would they do that? They have you as a rat. |
What do you mean??? |
That you'd probably rat someone out for having ganja. I thought that was pretty clear. |
Oh, ok.
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So, would you?
Are you "that guy"?
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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 23 April 2008 at 12:42pm
Whats wrong with being an informant for illegal activity?
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Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 23 April 2008 at 12:47pm
Reb Cpl wrote:
Whats wrong with being an informant for illegal activity?
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Plenty of things.
It's different if it's something serious like murder or something, but when people go out of their way to get people in trouble for drinking under age, smoking pot/cigarettes, chewing gum in class, etc it just makes them a busybody.
No one likes a rat.
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Posted By: Tical2.0
Date Posted: 23 April 2008 at 12:47pm
Reb Cpl wrote:
Whats wrong with being an informant for illegal activity?
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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 23 April 2008 at 1:03pm
Bunkered wrote:
Reb Cpl wrote:
Whats wrong with being an informant for illegal activity?
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Plenty of things.
It's different if it's something serious like murder or something, but when people go out of their way to get people in trouble for drinking under age, smoking pot/cigarettes, chewing gum in class, etc it just makes them a busybody.
No one likes a rat. |
But, what about the people who go out of their way to engage in activities which violate rules/laws?
Your willingness to sneak out behind the school and light up a bowl is alright, but the little nerdy kid who sees you and turns you in....that's not okay?
No wonder I'm having such a hard time in the real world. My perceptions of right and wrong are all screwed up.
**Edit** Don't assume that I am said 'rat' I was merely curious as to why what's wrong is okay, and what's right is wrong.
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Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 23 April 2008 at 1:18pm
Reb Cpl wrote:
Bunkered wrote:
Reb Cpl wrote:
Whats wrong with being an informant for illegal activity?
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Plenty of things.
It's different if it's something serious like murder or something, but when people go out of their way to get people in trouble for drinking under age, smoking pot/cigarettes, chewing gum in class, etc it just makes them a busybody.
No one likes a rat. | But, what about the people who go out of their way to engage in activities which violate rules/laws?Your willingness to sneak out behind the school and light up a bowl is alright, but the little nerdy kid who sees you and turns you in....that's not okay? |
I was talking more about just having it at school, or after school even.
I personally was never audacious enough to smoke at school; I didn't even like to smoke beforehand.
But there were plenty of times I had it in my pocket, and theoretically could have been "ratted out" by classmates who overheard my afterschool plans.
My thoughts are that if someone goes out of their way to tell on someone when their actions are not directly harming anyone, said tattle-tale is a rat.
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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 23 April 2008 at 1:48pm
"Not directly harming anyone" is a flimsy excuse to break the law, much less the given rules of an institution like a school.
A gun stashed in a backpack is as harmless as a bag of weed is, yet would you label someone who mentions that to an administrator a 'rat?'
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Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 23 April 2008 at 2:01pm
Reb Cpl wrote:
"Not directly harming anyone" is a flimsy excuse to break the law, much less the given rules of an institution like a school. A gun stashed in a backpack is as harmless as a bag of weed is, yet would you label someone who mentions that to an administrator a 'rat?'
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The difference is that a gun could be used to cause harm much more easily than a baggie of weed in your pocket.
I brought my knife to school sometimes (just habit to have it in my pocket), and I would have been pissed if some toolbag got me expelled because I forgot to take it out of my pocket before school.
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Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 23 April 2008 at 2:06pm
There was a kid in my 1st period math class freshman year of high school who would come in blazed every day. One day he smoked a blunt of particularly potent weed and thought it would be funny to hit people in the face with his 1/2oz baggie, he continued to do so in the hallway. About halfway through the day they called him into the office. He couldn't understand why someone had ratted him out. Talk about keeping a low profile. I don't know what the criteria for ratting on other high school students is. We had a student get his pants set on fire at his locker once and nobody ratted on the kid that did it even though many people saw it happen, but when I manufactured a realistic fake turd and had the lunch table pitch in to a pay a kid to put it on a teacher's chair, I somehow got ratted out. I can only conclude that there is nothing rational about high school social responsibility.
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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 23 April 2008 at 2:12pm
Bunkered wrote:
Reb Cpl wrote:
"Not directly harming anyone" is a flimsy excuse to break the law, much less the given rules of an institution like a school. A gun stashed in a backpack is as harmless as a bag of weed is, yet would you label someone who mentions that to an administrator a 'rat?'
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The difference is that a gun could be used to cause harm much more easily than a baggie of weed in your pocket.
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Perhaps, but possession of either one is a violation of a rule. I've got a gun in my backpack, but I don't plan on USING it, it's just there. Do I get let off the hook because I wasn't hurting anyone? Harmless or not, its illegal. And, IS it harmless? Perhaps you're going to sell said baggie of weed. Perhaps you and your potential customer disagree over the MSRP. Perhaps said customer punches you in the nose.
Had you been 'ratted out' you wouldn't have been punched in the nose.
Had you not broken the rules in the first place, you wouldn't have been 'ratted out'
You DEFINITELY wouldn't have been punched in the nose.
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Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 23 April 2008 at 2:21pm
just because something is illegal doesnt make it wrong.
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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 23 April 2008 at 2:22pm
evillepaintball wrote:
just because something is illegal doesnt make it wrong.
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For example...........
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Posted By: procarbinefreak
Date Posted: 23 April 2008 at 2:26pm
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smokin' da reefer reb... duh.
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Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 23 April 2008 at 2:36pm
procarbinefreak wrote:
smokin' da reefer reb... duh.
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other than being illegal, whats wrong with it that isnt wrong with smoking tobacco or alcohol?
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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 23 April 2008 at 2:37pm
procarbinefreak wrote:
smokin' da reefer reb... duh.
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Ah. Of course
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Posted By: Panda Man
Date Posted: 23 April 2008 at 2:38pm
Reb Cpl wrote:
evillepaintball wrote:
just because something is illegal doesnt make it wrong.
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For example...........
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.. Jay walking?
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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 23 April 2008 at 2:39pm
evillepaintball wrote:
procarbinefreak wrote:
smokin' da reefer reb... duh.
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other than being illegal, whats wrong with it that isnt wrong with smoking tobacco or alcohol?
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Just because its legal doesn't make it right.
There. Now that we negated each other's arguments on weed, continue to dazzle me with more examples of something being illegal, yet not 'wrong' -unless one flimsy example is enough to stand on.
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Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 23 April 2008 at 2:41pm
how about sodomy?
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Posted By: Panda Man
Date Posted: 23 April 2008 at 2:41pm
public intoxication.
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Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 23 April 2008 at 2:44pm
parking on the "wrong" side of the road.
not wearing a seatbelt.
having a secondary structure on your property bigger than the primary structure
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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 23 April 2008 at 2:45pm
Panda Man wrote:
public intoxication.
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The results of which include, but are not limited to:
Indecent exposure Disturbing the peace Vandalism
The possible ramifications of 'public intoxication' are enough to render it 'wrong' hence the legitimization of it being illegal.
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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 23 April 2008 at 2:47pm
evillepaintball wrote:
parking on the "wrong" side of the road.
not wearing a seatbelt.
having a secondary structure on your property bigger than the primary structure
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1. Not wearing a seatbelt is a legitimate example, seeing as how if you should opt to not wear the seatbelt, you're the only one to suffer for that. Point taken.
2. That depends on local municipal laws. blanketing that one with 'illegal' is tough.
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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 23 April 2008 at 2:48pm
Panda Man wrote:
Reb Cpl wrote:
evillepaintball wrote:
just because something is illegal doesnt make it wrong.
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For example...........
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.. Jay walking?
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Which puts you as well as other pedestrians and motorists at risk?
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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 23 April 2008 at 2:52pm
My point is....that 'ratting someone out' may not be such a horrible thing provided there's an actual violation of the law. Laws are put in place (on a fundamental basis) for the protection of citizens. Violations at any level might put people at risk- either of bodily injury or death, or something seemingly as mundane as a disruptive learning environment. Either way, The vast, overwhelming majority of the time there is a violation of a rule or law, there is either the chance that you are putting yourself or someone else at risk, even if you're not directly causing harm.
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Posted By: Apu
Date Posted: 23 April 2008 at 3:31pm
Dude reb, it's just bud. I bet a lot of your coworkers smoke or have smoked pot before. It's really not that big of a deal. Less Freevibe plz.
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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 23 April 2008 at 4:19pm
Apu wrote:
Dude reb, it's just bud. I bet a lot of your coworkers smoke or have smoked pot before. It's really not that big of a deal. Less Freevibe plz.
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Breathe friend. I'm not saying I have a problem with it, or that I've never done it. I'm just arguing for the sake of arguing, because the general vibe I'm getting is that if you get caught because someone happened to catch you doing something illegal, it's the guy who turns you in whose at fault, not you or me for doing something stupid in the first place.
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Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 23 April 2008 at 4:21pm
oh, no it's definitely your own fault. that doesnt make the other guy any less of a french shower for it though.
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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 23 April 2008 at 4:26pm
evillepaintball wrote:
oh, no it's definitely your own fault. that doesnt make the other guy any less of a french shower for it though.
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I disagree. You need to be more careful of who sees you doing your activities.
If you happen to hit up an under cover police officer thinking she's a prostitute, and she brings you in, she's a French shower? Or were you careless in your making your intentions known to the wrong person?
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 23 April 2008 at 4:30pm
carl_the_sniper wrote:
Meh
The only thing that I don't understand is why cops don't do drug lockdowns on april 20th. (on years when it falls during the week)
The local radio station is doing a 4:20 day |
Because it's not that big of a deal to everyone. In Vancouver the cops turn a blind eye. Take a look at what goes down in front of the art gallery here every year, heres a pic of 2005:
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Posted By: notXXscared
Date Posted: 23 April 2008 at 4:51pm
Choop, that's awesome. And Reb, snitches are scum. Just mind your own business, use reasonable judgment. It's a gray area, but use common sense; chances are in your example, you wouldn't get punched in the nose they would find another guy to buy from. Why rat someone out for having weed on them? Is what they have in their pocket really bothering you at all? Probably one out 4 people walking down the street have weed on them, and you wouldn't know it-neither instance is harming you, so why tell on a guy because you know he has it? I don't know, I have just been raised on the basis that snitches are the scum of the earth and my parents would rather me get in trouble for cracking a kid in the jaw that mouthed off to me rather than tell the teacher And just telling on someone for the sake of ratting them out (like the weed instance we are talking about), I would be in so much trouble.
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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 23 April 2008 at 4:56pm
notXXscared wrote:
Choop, that's awesome. And Reb, snitches are scum. Just mind your own business, use reasonable judgment. It's a gray area, but use common sense; chances are in your example, you wouldn't get punched in the nose they would find another guy to buy from. Why rat someone out for having weed on them? Is what they have in their pocket really bothering you at all? Probably one out 4 people walking down the street have weed on them, and you wouldn't know it-neither instance is harming you, so why tell on a guy because you know he has it? I don't know, I have just been raised on the basis that snitches are the scum of the earth and my parents would rather me get in trouble for cracking a kid in the jaw that mouthed off to me rather than tell the teacher And just telling on someone for the sake of ratting them out (like the weed instance we are talking about), I would be in so much trouble.
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Big talk here. Why doesn't it occur to people that if you don't cross the line in the first place, you don't have to worry about being snitched on.
The guy that tells on you is scum, and you're an innocent as pure as the driven snow huh? Got it.
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Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 23 April 2008 at 4:57pm
Reb Cpl wrote:
Bunkered wrote:
Reb Cpl wrote:
"Not directly harming anyone" is a flimsy excuse to break the law, much less the given rules of an institution like a school. A gun stashed in a backpack is as harmless as a bag of weed is, yet would you label someone who mentions that to an administrator a 'rat?'
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The difference is that a gun could be used to cause harm much more easily than a baggie of weed in your pocket.
| Perhaps, but possession of either one is a violation of a rule. I've got a gun in my backpack, but I don't plan on USING it, it's just there. Do I get let off the hook because I wasn't hurting anyone? Harmless or not, its illegal. And, IS it harmless? Perhaps you're going to sell said baggie of weed. Perhaps you and your potential customer disagree over the MSRP. Perhaps said customer punches you in the nose. Had you been 'ratted out' you wouldn't have been punched in the nose. Had you not broken the rules in the first place, you wouldn't have been 'ratted out' You DEFINITELY wouldn't have been punched in the nose. |
I'd rather get punched in the nose than get ratted out...
Then I'd just get in trouble for beating some ass rather than drugs.
Fighting got you in less trouble than drugs at my school.
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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 23 April 2008 at 4:58pm
Bunkered wrote:
Reb Cpl wrote:
Bunkered wrote:
Reb Cpl wrote:
"Not directly harming anyone" is a flimsy excuse to break the law, much less the given rules of an institution like a school. A gun stashed in a backpack is as harmless as a bag of weed is, yet would you label someone who mentions that to an administrator a 'rat?'
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The difference is that a gun could be used to cause harm much more easily than a baggie of weed in your pocket.
| Perhaps, but possession of either one is a violation of a rule. I've got a gun in my backpack, but I don't plan on USING it, it's just there. Do I get let off the hook because I wasn't hurting anyone? Harmless or not, its illegal. And, IS it harmless? Perhaps you're going to sell said baggie of weed. Perhaps you and your potential customer disagree over the MSRP. Perhaps said customer punches you in the nose. Had you been 'ratted out' you wouldn't have been punched in the nose. Had you not broken the rules in the first place, you wouldn't have been 'ratted out' You DEFINITELY wouldn't have been punched in the nose. |
I'd rather get punched in the nose than get ratted out...
Then I'd just get in trouble for beating some ass rather than drugs.
Fighting got you in less trouble than drugs at my school. |
And we wonder why the education system is what it is.
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Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 23 April 2008 at 5:07pm
I don't wonder. It's because it's run by the government.
When do they get anything right?
Reb, how about if it's someone you know and are acquanted with that rats you out for something trivial (like weed)? Does that affect your perspective on it?
For example:
I was on the HS golf team. 8 of 11 players on the team smoked weed and drank alcohol. I never had, but attended a wild party and tried both. It was a good time, and much fun was had.
Until 2 days later when my coach pulls me aside and threatens to kick me off the team (I talked my way out of that happening). Turns out, the guy right below me (I was the "bubble" guy, meaning my score actually counted), ratted me out in an apparent attempt to take my spot on varsity.
He also attended the party. Rat bastard.
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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 23 April 2008 at 5:09pm
Bunkered wrote:
I don't wonder. It's because it's run by the government.
When do they get anything right?
Reb, how about if it's someone you know and are acquanted with that rats you out for something trivial (like weed)? Does that affect your perspective on it?
Nope, my fault for being dumb enough for getting myself into a position where I could be ratted out in the first place.
For example:
I was on the HS golf team. 8 of 11 players on the team smoked weed and drank alcohol. I never had, but attended a wild party and tried both. It was a good time, and much fun was had.
Until 2 days later when my coach pulls me aside and threatens to kick me off the team (I talked my way out of that happening). Turns out, the guy right below me (I was the "bubble" guy, meaning my score actually counted), ratted me out in an apparent attempt to take my spot on varsity.
He also attended the party. Rat bastard.
Under these circumstances, this guy is a loser.
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Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 23 April 2008 at 5:11pm
That's the thing about rats.
Half the time, they were doing the same thing wrong as you, and are just trying to benefit from getting you in trouble.
That's why no one likes a rat, even if it may be "illogical."
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Posted By: notXXscared
Date Posted: 23 April 2008 at 8:37pm
Reb Cpl wrote:
notXXscared wrote:
Choop, that's awesome. And Reb, snitches are scum. Just mind your own business, use reasonable judgment. It's a gray area, but use common sense; chances are in your example, you wouldn't get punched in the nose they would find another guy to buy from. Why rat someone out for having weed on them? Is what they have in their pocket really bothering you at all? Probably one out 4 people walking down the street have weed on them, and you wouldn't know it-neither instance is harming you, so why tell on a guy because you know he has it? I don't know, I have just been raised on the basis that snitches are the scum of the earth and my parents would rather me get in trouble for cracking a kid in the jaw that mouthed off to me rather than tell the teacher And just telling on someone for the sake of ratting them out (like the weed instance we are talking about), I would be in so much trouble.
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Big talk here. Why doesn't it occur to people that if you don't cross the line in the first place, you don't have to worry about being snitched on.
The guy that tells on you is scum, and you're an innocent as pure as the driven snow huh? Got it.
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Not big talk, that's just how I was raised. My parents felt that way, they taught me that being a rat is not what you do, under any circumstances, since I was little. If I told on a kid that was doing something, I would get in trouble with my parents, and that idea has stuck even now when I am old enough to make a reasonable decision on my own.
Ok, got it. I won't ever do anything illegal ever again. I'll drive lower than the speed limit, won't drink until I'm 21, won't ever smoke again, never skip another class, ect. For all of these acts, when I am doing them, I accept the responsibility and know what I'm doing isn't legal. But it isn't anyone's job to tell on me for what I'm doing. The snitch has absolutely no benefit or reason to get me in trouble, and they are scum because they go out of their way to do it, instead of mind their own business like most other people. If I'm not harming them and what I'm doing has no impact on them, WHY is it necessary to rat me out?
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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 23 April 2008 at 9:13pm
You really have no idea what I was trying to say.
Sometimes, I have no idea why I bother trying, but I'll try once more, and use smaller words.
I'm not saying "don't do anything illegal" I'd be a hypocrite and an ass if that's what I was saying.
I am saying, that if you DO venture into the world of illegal activity, no matter how 'harmless' -and get caught because someone 'tells on you' think REALLY hard as to whose fault it is when you're getting the screws put to you. Is it the snitch whose to blame? Not even a little.
I'm going to avoid the obvious comments concerning an upbringing that would chastise a kid for turning illegal or harmful behavior.
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 23 April 2008 at 9:29pm
Reb Cpl wrote:
evillepaintball wrote:
parking on the "wrong" side of the road.not wearing a seatbelt.having a secondary structure on your property bigger than the primary structure
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1) Actually, no.
There are cases where the person in the back is not wearing a seatbelt, they crash and the other person basically becomes a projectile for anyone who was wearing their seatbelts.
notXXscared wrote:
Reb Cpl wrote:
notXXscared wrote:
Choop, that's awesome. And Reb, snitches are scum. Just mind your own business, use reasonable judgment. It's a gray area, but use common sense; chances are in your example, you wouldn't get punched in the nose they would find another guy to buy from. Why rat someone out for having weed on them? Is what they have in their pocket really bothering you at all? Probably one out 4 people walking down the street have weed on them, and you wouldn't know it-neither instance is harming you, so why tell on a guy because you know he has it? I don't know, I have just been raised on the basis that snitches are the scum of the earth and my parents would rather me get in trouble for cracking a kid in the jaw that mouthed off to me rather than tell the teacher And just telling on someone for the sake of ratting them out (like the weed instance we are talking about), I would be in so much trouble. | <span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">Big talk here.</span> Why doesn't it occur to people that if you <span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">don't cross the line in the first place</span>, you don't have to worry about being snitched on. The <span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">guy that tells on you is scum, and you're an innocent</span> as pure as the driven snow huh? Got it. | Not big talk, that's just how I was raised. My parents felt that way, they taught me that being a rat is not what you do, under any circumstances, since I was little. If I told on a kid that was doing something, I would get in trouble with my parents, and that idea has stuck even now when I am old enough to make a reasonable decision on my own.Ok, got it. I won't ever do anything illegal ever again. I'll drive lower than the speed limit, won't drink until I'm 21, won't ever smoke again, never skip another class, ect. For all of these acts, when I am doing them, I accept the responsibility and know what I'm doing isn't legal. But it isn't anyone's job to tell on me for what I'm doing. The snitch has absolutely no benefit or reason to get me in trouble, and they are scum because they go out of their way to do it, instead of mind their own business like most other people. If I'm not harming them and what I'm doing has no impact on them, WHY is it necessary to rat me out? |
Really? Under ANY circumstances.
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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 23 April 2008 at 9:37pm
Carl, I made the erroneous assumption that the un seatbelted driver was the only one in the car. You're absolutely right though, not wearing a seatbelt CAN put others at risk.
And NO circumstances warrant being an informant...have you learned nothing from the pinnacle of ethical and logical reasoning?
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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 23 April 2008 at 10:43pm
Man up and take responsibility for your own actions.
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 24 April 2008 at 12:05am
Hades wrote:
Man up and take responsibility for your own actions.
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Well and if you're partaking in illegal activities (regardless of if you think they should be or not) just don't be stupid about it and you shouldn't have any problems.
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 25 April 2008 at 3:21am
Reb Cpl wrote:
evillepaintball wrote:
just because something is illegal doesnt make it wrong. | For example........... |
You buy a song on iTunes. You burn that song to a cd and eject it. You put that cd back in the same computer, and rip the song off the cd as an mp3. You just broke a law.
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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 25 April 2008 at 9:16am
choopie911 wrote:
Reb Cpl wrote:
evillepaintball wrote:
just because something is illegal doesnt make it wrong. | For example........... |
You buy a song on iTunes. You burn that song to a cd and eject it. You put that cd back in the same computer, and rip the song off the cd as an mp3. You just broke a law. |
I was waiting for that one dammit, No response. 
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Posted By: Susan Storm
Date Posted: 25 April 2008 at 10:27am
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I'll offer a response...
Copyright infringement is (generally speaking) not a crime. The police will not come to get you. The DA will not care. The RIAA may have a civil claim against you for money damages, but it is a personal matter between you and the owner of the copyright. It is functionally the same as breaching a contract.
Smoking pot (or whatever) IS a crime. You will be arrested and charged by the DA.
"Breaking the law" is not a unified concept. It can be split many ways, but one major way is between criminal and civil liability.
Oh, and http://youtube.com/watch?v=OYn5hxeFt10 - breaking the law .
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Posted By: Susan Storm
Date Posted: 25 April 2008 at 10:28am
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Bunkered wrote:
That's the thing about rats. Half the time, they were doing the same thing wrong as you, and are just trying to benefit from getting you in trouble.
That's why no one likes a rat, even if it may be "illogical." |
So would you feel differently about the rat if he is not ratting for personal gain, but ratting out of a sense of civic duty?
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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 25 April 2008 at 10:50am
A rat is a rat.
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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 25 April 2008 at 10:50am
Susan Storm wrote:
Bunkered wrote:
That's the thing about rats. Half the time, they were doing the same thing wrong as you, and are just trying to benefit from getting you in trouble.
That's why no one likes a rat, even if it may be "illogical." |
So would you feel differently about the rat if he is not ratting for personal gain, but ratting out of a sense of civic duty? |
"civic duty?"
People still feel that?
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 25 April 2008 at 10:52am
choopie911 wrote:
Reb Cpl wrote:
evillepaintball wrote:
just because something is illegal doesnt make it wrong. | For example........... |
You buy a song on iTunes. You burn that song to a cd and eject it. You put that cd back in the same computer, and rip the song off the cd as an mp3. You just broke a law. |
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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 25 April 2008 at 10:56am
That's a new one Whale....good find. 
While Choop's example might not be breaking a LAW, it's still infringement and a violation.....
this particular example, I think would certainly warrant punching a 'rat' in the nose, several times.
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Posted By: ThatGuitarGuy
Date Posted: 25 April 2008 at 10:58am
choopie911 wrote:
Reb Cpl wrote:
evillepaintball wrote:
just because something is illegal doesnt make it wrong. | For example........... |
You buy a song on iTunes. You burn that song to a cd and eject it. You put that cd back in the same computer, and rip the song off the cd as an mp3. You just broke a law. |
ONLY if you then distribute that MP3 freely, or try to make money off of it. If you buy a song, you can do whatever you want with that song, so long as it's for your own personal use, and you don't try to make money off of it. (except in the weird case of selling cds, as the record company has already made their money off the original album sale)
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 25 April 2008 at 4:00pm
ThatGuitarGuy wrote:
choopie911 wrote:
Reb Cpl wrote:
evillepaintball wrote:
just because something is illegal doesnt make it wrong. | For example........... |
You buy a song on iTunes. You burn that song to a cd and eject it. You put that cd back in the same computer, and rip the song off the cd as an mp3. You just broke a law. | ONLY if you then distribute that MP3 freely, or try to make money off of it. If you buy a song, you can do whatever you want with that song, so long as it's for your own personal use, and you don't try to make money off of it. (except in the weird case of selling cds, as the record company has already made their money off the original album sale) |
No, the DMCA states you cannot buy the song, burn it, then rip it as an mp3. It has nothing to do with profit, distribution, etc.
And just because you're unlikely to be prosecuted for breaking that particular law, it makes it less of a law? So on that note, marijuana is not illegal in some areas then? No.
agentwhale007 wrote:
choopie911 wrote:
Reb Cpl wrote:
evillepaintball wrote:
just because something is illegal doesnt make it wrong. | For example........... |
You buy a song on iTunes. You burn that song to a cd and eject it. You put that cd back in the same computer, and rip the song off the cd as an mp3. You just broke a law. |
*tries to be witty*
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Look up the DMCA and fail less.
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 25 April 2008 at 4:07pm
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You should probably read Susan's post.
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 25 April 2008 at 4:16pm
I did, and saying that breaking one law isn't technically breaking the law doesn't seem too rock solid to me. And theres plenty of things under the DMCA that don't just apply to the RIAA coming after you. If you live in Delaware, Illinois, Maryland, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Virginia or Wyoming you can be breaking the law by having a firewall, encrypting your emails, using NAT or connecting to your employer’s network using a VPN.
And yes, you will be arrested for breaking the DMCA, a russian programmer Dmitry Sklyarov was arrested after unveiling his method of stripping DRM from ebooks.
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 25 April 2008 at 4:19pm
choopie911 wrote:
And yes, you will be arrested for breaking the DMCA, a russian programmer Dmitry Sklyarov was arrested after unveiling his method of stripping DRM from ebooks.
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And you really think that his situation is the same as the original theoretical situation?
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Posted By: Susan Storm
Date Posted: 25 April 2008 at 4:28pm
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choopie911 wrote:
I did, and saying that breaking one law isn't technically breaking the law doesn't seem too rock solid to me. |
That's not what I said. My point was that people equate "breaking the law" with "criminal liability", and this is not correct.
Accidentally smashing your neighbor's vase gives rise to civil liability to the neighbor for replacement value - you have technically speaking "broken the law". But no criminal liability arises.
That was my point - not to get into details about zomg EFF vs. DMCA. There is a full spectrum of degrees of civil vs. criminal liability (including "quasi-criminal" liability), and where the DMCA falls on that spectrum is irrelevant to my point that "breaking the law" is not a simple concept, and that you cannot declare breaking one law the same as breaking another.
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 25 April 2008 at 4:56pm
Reb Cpl wrote:
And NO circumstances warrant being an informant...have you learned nothing from the pinnacle of ethical and logical reasoning?
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Just checking
Did you say that supporting the statement or calling it idiotic?
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Posted By: Roll Tide
Date Posted: 25 April 2008 at 5:19pm
Wow. I'm surprised at how many people on here would rat another out.
Let's look at a some situations here:
#1: It's late on Friday night, maybe 10:30, and you are leaving your apartment complex. Right before you get to your car you catch the feint smell of cannabis smoke. You look around and you see the window to an apartment open with a Bob Marley tapestry hanging in said window. Do you notify the police or the land lord? Or do you get in your car and go about your business?
#2: You are in high school, sitting on a bench after school waiting on the bus. You notice two kids standing outside, and they discreetly pass a bag back an forth inspecting it. You know that it's pot, because you've heard about these kids smoking before. Do you tell the principle/campus security, or do you get on the bus and go home?
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Posted By: Susan Storm
Date Posted: 25 April 2008 at 5:25pm
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"Ratting out" is always entirely contextual. Let's try a couple of variants:
#1: It's late on Friday night, maybe 10:30, and you are leaving your apartment complex. Right before you get to your car you hear loud screams. You look around and you see the window to an apartment open, and you see somebody getting beaten with a baseball bat. Do you notify the police or the land lord? Or do you get in your car and go about your business?
#2: You are in high school, sitting on a bench after school waiting on the bus. You notice two kids standing outside, and they discreetly pass a gun back and forth inspecting it. You know that it's loaded, because you've heard about these kids talking about carrying guns to school before. Do you tell the principle/campus security, or do you get on the bus and go home?
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Posted By: ThatGuitarGuy
Date Posted: 25 April 2008 at 5:29pm
Susan Storm wrote:
"Ratting out" is always entirely contextual. Let's try a couple of variants:
#1: It's late on Friday night, maybe 10:30, and you are leaving your apartment complex. Right before you get to your car you hear loud screams. You look around and you see the window to an apartment open, and you see somebody getting beaten with a baseball bat. Do you notify the police or the land lord? Or do you get in your car and go about your business?
#2: You are in high school, sitting on a bench after school waiting on the bus. You notice two kids standing outside, and they discreetly pass a gun back and forth inspecting it. You know that it's loaded, because you've heard about these kids talking about carrying guns to school before. Do you tell the principle/campus security, or do you get on the bus and go home?
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Loaded or not, bring a gun to school is bringing a gun. I don't see why that matters. As for the original scenarios with the pot, if the guys living in the same apartment complex with me had given me any problems before, yeah, I'd probably rat them out, because the previous problems with them are probably a good indication of what's coming too. If I haven't had any problems with them, if it's not hurting me, it's none of my concern. As for the guys at school, probably the same standards apply.
The guns, oh yeah I woulda reported it.
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Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 25 April 2008 at 6:10pm
choopie911 wrote:
And yes, you will be arrested for breaking the DMCA, a russian programmer Dmitry Sklyarov was arrested after unveiling his method of stripping DRM from ebooks.
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IN SOVIET RUSSIA THE LAW BREAKS YOU!
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 25 April 2008 at 7:37pm
Snake6 wrote:
choopie911 wrote:
And yes, you will be arrested for breaking the DMCA, a russian programmer Dmitry Sklyarov was arrested after unveiling his method of stripping DRM from ebooks.
| IN SOVIET RUSSIA THE LAW BREAKS YOU! |
Maybe not the law, but man I can imagine the prison guards do.
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Posted By: Roll Tide
Date Posted: 25 April 2008 at 7:43pm
Susan Storm wrote:
"Ratting out" is always entirely contextual. Let's try a couple of variants:
#1: It's late on Friday night, maybe 10:30, and you are leaving your apartment complex. Right before you get to your car you hear loud screams. You look around and you see the window to an apartment open, and you see somebody getting beaten with a baseball bat. Do you notify the police or the land lord? Or do you get in your car and go about your business?
#2: You are in high school, sitting on a bench after school waiting on the bus. You notice two kids standing outside, and they discreetly pass a gun back and forth inspecting it. You know that it's loaded, because you've heard about these kids talking about carrying guns to school before. Do you tell the principle/campus security, or do you get on the bus and go home?
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That example has been used before in this thread, and I don't really see why. The intent of a gun is entirely different than a bag of weed.
Smoking weed is not a violent crime as much as most of you want it to be.
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Posted By: Susan Storm
Date Posted: 25 April 2008 at 8:24pm
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Roll Tide wrote:
That example has been used before in this thread, and I don't really see why. The intent of a gun is entirely different than a bag of weed.
Smoking weed is not a violent crime as much as most of you want it to be.
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My point exactly. You are complaining about the rat when you don't like what the rat is ratting, yet apparently you have no problem with a rat in other situations.
Each of the above will get you labeled "rat" (and/or killed) in a whole bunch of places if you called the police.
Basically it sounds like you favor ratting, unless it relates to the particular illegal things that you like to do.
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Posted By: Roll Tide
Date Posted: 25 April 2008 at 9:23pm
Susan Storm wrote:
Roll Tide wrote:
That example has been used before in this thread, and I don't really see why. The intent of a gun is entirely different than a bag of weed.
Smoking weed is not a violent crime as much as most of you want it to be.
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My point exactly. You are complaining about the rat when you don't like what the rat is ratting, yet apparently you have no problem with a rat in other situations.
Each of the above will get you labeled "rat" (and/or killed) in a whole bunch of places if you called the police.
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You can interpret it that way, but you would be wrong. If you fail to recognize the difference between beating someone with a baseball bat and smoking weed, or bringing a gun to school and bringing weed to school, then there is no point in arguing.
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Posted By: Susan Storm
Date Posted: 25 April 2008 at 9:29pm
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Roll Tide wrote:
You can interpret it that way, but you would be wrong. If you fail to recognize the difference between beating someone with a baseball bat and smoking weed, or bringing a gun to school and bringing weed to school, then there is no point in arguing.
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Clearly there is a difference - that's the whole point.
You aren't against snitches. You are against snitches who snitch about things that YOU deem acceptable.
If you were truly against snitches, as some people are, then you would say not to report the beating, even as you condemn the beating. This is how life works in many places - you do not, under ANY circumstances, call the police. No matter what.
You are clearly not taking this extreme position. Therefore you are not truly against snitching as a general proposition. Instead, you are only against snitching with regard to activities that you deem acceptable, or at least less offensive.
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