low(er) impact options??
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Topic: low(er) impact options??
Posted By: EastSideRich
Subject: low(er) impact options??
Date Posted: 24 May 2008 at 12:47pm
Hi, I just got an A-5 yesterday. I've played paintball a couple of times and loved it; Don't know why it took me so long to get a gun, but anyway finally got my first gun (paintball, that is).
This is our problem: We have a feral cat problem. Part of the reason I got the A-5 is to help discourage these cats from congregating in our yard. They kill everything and use our planters and flower boxes as litter boxes. The straw that broke the camels back is that at least one has gotten into our garage a few times, and in climbing the hood of our car has scratched the hell out of the paint on our new car. I figure I can pop them with a .22 or pellet gun (neither of which they will survive), or zap them with a paintball a couple of times (even though I hate them, I don't think I have the heart to start killing them - at this point). After getting acquainted with my new toy, I'm questioning how well a cat could stand up to hit from a paintball. I would probably feel bad leaving one with a broken leg, rib, or hip, cracked skull or popped eyeball; I might as well just use the pellet gun.
This is my question: Does anyone have any suggestions on paint to use or anything else that may help reduce the chance of a fatality, but still sting enough to get the point across? Maybe softer paint, some kind of foam balls (I've seen these for some kind of kid-friendly backyard paintball marker), etc. Is my best option just to turn down my velocity?
Thanks in advance for any ideas.
-ESR
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Posted By: wingbatwu
Date Posted: 24 May 2008 at 3:22pm
I think you can buy bottles of cat/dog repellent spray at pet-stores
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Posted By: thejudge
Date Posted: 24 May 2008 at 4:39pm
a cat will also survive a hit from a paintball just dont turn up the velocity too much and dont hit them in the head. but yes there is also stuff you can buy just to repel cats in general.
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Posted By: EastSideRich
Date Posted: 24 May 2008 at 6:05pm
We've tried the cat "repellent" stuff to no avail. The stuff seems to work for a few days (as far as keeping them from using flower boxes as litter). They also go alot just in the grass too. I think we must be centrally located relative to where they all come from. It's the same 6 or 7 cats and they come from all directions - except two are our next-door neighbors, so they are kinda off limits. As I mentioned we've tried the repellent for small areas, which gives poor results. I feel like they need some type of negative reinforcement to make them say "Maybe we should stay out of that area, 'cause something that really stings happens when we go there".
To keep this paintball related and not get locked, I was hoping to get some ideas for some stuff that might not hit with the impact of a real paintball. For example, I just got back from the store where I grabbed these VBALLS things I saw (happened to stumble across them by accident). They are these little velcro covered balls that feel like they have a rubber core. Supposedly they will fit any .68 cal paintball gun. I think I'm going to adjust my velocity and have my wife or brother shoot me with these and a real paintball to see which hits harder.
This may be a topic for a new thread, but anyone know anything about these; specifically do you think they'll damage the cyclone feed thing? They are a little smaller than a paintball, and a little lighter. Kinda looks like a little tennis ball.
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Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 24 May 2008 at 7:14pm
Wow...
This is like borderline animal cruelty.
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Posted By: paintball437085
Date Posted: 24 May 2008 at 7:42pm
get reball and take out your velocity screw lol jk but just put velocity at 260 and shoot it
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Posted By: EastSideRich
Date Posted: 24 May 2008 at 8:08pm
Snake6 wrote:
Wow...
This is like borderline animal cruelty.
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They are feral cats, so I don't care too much; Probably not as cruel as a .22 thru the noggin though.
In case any one was wondering, they (the VBALL things) do sting like the dickens.
My neighbor was kind enough to help me run a quick unscientific experiment.
This was from about 30 ft through a t-shirt. (yes, it's my back, not his) You cant really see how raised the site is, but you get the idea. The skin was broken enough to leave a good amount of blood on my shirt for what it was. The skin that's missing is actually embedded in my shirt. I didn't feel like taking a paintball too from that range at the time, but I think they actually hit a little harder than paint due to the solid core.

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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 24 May 2008 at 8:23pm
Probably more cruel than a .22 through the noggin.
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Posted By: StormyKnight
Date Posted: 24 May 2008 at 8:41pm
Ever thought of just getting a dog?
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Posted By: notom66866
Date Posted: 24 May 2008 at 8:54pm
Just to inform it is animal cruelty. It would be far better to kill them, than to cripple one and leave to die on its own. And paintballs will pop eyeballs very easily. If I were you and you have your heart set on hiting them with projectiles, you can buy a relitively cheap airsoft gun, the clear plactic ones are pretty harmless past 15 feet. Plus BB's are cheaper than paintballs. I bought one at Walmart for $35. Its afull auto too.
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Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 24 May 2008 at 10:09pm
You could get a weaker drive spring as well as turn in your velocity screw all the way.
I think the hose is the safest way imho.
Edit: If you are set on shooting cats, try to get really really brittle paintballs. Breaks hurt alot less.
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Posted By: EastSideRich
Date Posted: 25 May 2008 at 1:14am
Thank you SSOK.
notom66866 wrote:
Just to inform it is animal cruelty. It would be far better to kill them, than to cripple one and leave to die on its own.
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That's my dilema, I don't want to do that kind of damage, otherwise I would just shoot them for real. As I see it I have three options: 1. I can ignore them I'm sick of them, so no longer an option. 2. I can just kill them This is probably what I should do. Cats are unbelievably destructive. In neighboring Wisconsin, where it is legal to shoot them on site, it is estimated they kill around 50 million songbirds a year. I think I would still feel bad killing them. I also live in St Paul, so gunshots - even .22 shorts - will bring cops and possibly criminal charges. 3. I can do something that will make them not want to come to my yard anymore. I think doing something that will hurt pretty bad, but not kill is needed. I think any metal projectile has a good chance of penetrating the skin, in which case I may as well shoot them with the pellet gun (lethal). This limits me to something like Airsoft or paintball. I have absolutely no use for an Airsoft gun, and I've always wanted a paintball gun, so I got a paintball gun. (I might pick up a CO2 bb pistol just for fun too and see how that is).
StormyKnight wrote:
Ever thought of just getting a dog?
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We have two boxers. When I let them out, if a cat is there they chase them away, but it doesn't prevent them from coming back.
I don't know how the moderators here are, but I can see this one
getting locked for being off topic. If someone wants to pick this up in
another section I'd be happy to discuss the morality of killing cats.
I will probably just play with the velocity of my paintball gun for now, but was wondering if there are any low impact things on the market that would work.
As far as the VBALL things: I don't see what good they would be (for paintball players, not cats). They don't fly very straight and you need to get some stupid velcro vest for them to stick to. I can't see the benefit to practicing with them other than shooting them around inside the house.
By the way, if I want to be like a sniper what barrel should I get for my A-5?? (just kidding, I know this question gets people worked up)
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 25 May 2008 at 2:44pm
Well, at least this is thought out. The modorators here don't care if it gets off topic. Man, this place would be a nightmare if they did. Have you seen Thoughts and Opinions? This place is very self-regulated. The modorators keep the inappropriateness out and let us have at it, pretty much. We're like a miniature ecosystem, so it all balances out and we last. :)
Anyway, a paintball is a heavy object, and shooting a cat with one at pretty much any velocity is a bad idea. Also, unless you want to kill, stay away from any metal-launching BB gun (like the CO2 pistol you mentioned, which are mostly pretty powerful). I STRONGLY suggest looking at getting an airsoft gun like mentioned. I can see them being a lot less dangerous, but just as effective. We seem to be having the same problem, so I wish you luck...
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Posted By: The Guy
Date Posted: 25 May 2008 at 10:50pm
go online and pick up a bottle of Coyote Urine. Best pest repellent ever.
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Posted By: Lightningbolt
Date Posted: 26 May 2008 at 9:47am
i.e
If an animal starts eating my garden vegetables they go down.
My back yard is fenced in for a reason.
If at any time a varmint wants to flip for my water bill and/or buy vegetables for me at the store I'll lay off.
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Posted By: barn_user
Date Posted: 26 May 2008 at 11:59am
I've done it before to stay off unwanted tom cats from our farm. Cat lived just fine. I wouldn't unload on it or anything, just a quick shot or two.
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Posted By: RoboCop
Date Posted: 26 May 2008 at 1:26pm
Homemade silencer! My grandpa made one for a rifle to shoot squirrels. It looked ghetto, but it worked really well. My mom said that she couldn't hear the gun be shot when it was used.
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Posted By: EastSideRich
Date Posted: 26 May 2008 at 3:43pm
RoboCop wrote:
Homemade silencer! My grandpa made one for a rifle to shoot squirrels. It looked ghetto, but it worked really well.
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Need to be VERY careful with things of this nature -
Can you say Federal Offense?
Even though I'm sure it was quite innocent not to mention fun, he'd be looking at a lengthy prison sentence, and loosing any right to own firearms.
If I were you, I'd suggest he get rid of that thing asap.
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Posted By: d4rkmonkey
Date Posted: 26 May 2008 at 10:45pm
I'm suprised no one has suggested this yet... but dry fire and let the loudness of an A5 scare them away?
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Posted By: The Guy
Date Posted: 26 May 2008 at 11:15pm
trap them, and turn them over to animal control
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Posted By: Brianwawrz
Date Posted: 27 May 2008 at 8:20pm
I'm sorry, but if any cat got into my garage, and was scratching the paint on
my car, I would have no problem killing every single cat that came into my
yard. I can't stand cats, thats why I have a dog. Don't even use the paintball
gun, just shoot them with the .22 and be done with it.
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Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 28 May 2008 at 2:25pm
I have had the same problem with feral cats over the past couple of years. The problem is the old lady next door is too kind hearted and keeps feeding them. There are two in particular that she likes, but doesnt realize when you put food out they ALL come for it. Until a month or two ago, we were up to 11 cats and two more were pregnant. Yay.
Last month I realized some of them were dying and figured someone was poisoning them. I felt this was cruel and decided to try and find a home for them. This is where the fun begins. The Humane Society will not take them, especially if they are feral, ESPECIALLY if they are pregnant. I tried 4 of the surrounding counties and they were all very sympathetic, but still no go. I tried to contact a cat shelter, but the only problem is, they want to take the cats, fix them and return them. Granted it keeps them from producing, but still doesnt rid m of them. Finally, I got a trap from the village and started trapping them and dropping them off close to farms at least 5 or 6 miles away. As we are pretty rural, it is easy to do. While this was my solution, it may not work for everyone.
One thing you may do is make sure your neighbor is feeding them indoors and that there is no food outside for them to eat. Typically, if there is no food or water, they will go elsewhere.
Another trick I hear of was to rub cayenne pepper or hot oil (look in Asian food section) and rub it on areas where they squeeze into the yard. Supposedly this will transfer and when they go to clean themselves get a little surprise. Personally, I don't think they would get the association, but may be worth a shot.
Truthfully, paintballs migt not even work. Kind of like the dogs, they will learn when you aren't around, they're safe.
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Posted By: Brianwawrz
Date Posted: 28 May 2008 at 3:51pm
oldpbnoob wrote:
Truthfully, paintballs migt not even work. Kind
of like the dogs, they will learn when you aren't around, they're safe.
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If the cats are dead they won't know when it's safe to come in your yard.
Because they're dead.
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Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 28 May 2008 at 4:08pm
Brianwawrz wrote:
oldpbnoob wrote:
Truthfully, paintballs migt not even work. Kind of like the dogs, they will learn when you aren't around, they're safe.
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I don't condone killing cats even though I personally can't stand them. If people would spay and neuter their pets, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
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Posted By: EastSideRich
Date Posted: 28 May 2008 at 6:59pm
I should also clarify: most of these are peoples cats which they let roam. Our next-door neighbor and the people across the street both let their cats go in and out as they please. I hate when people do this, but don't think it's worth the static that would be created if I said something. There is a handful of which I don't know if they are strays or pets. I'm guessing most of the ones I see aren't true feral animals.
As far as killing them, it's probably the right thing to do when you look at the big picture, but I've only shot one cat before (many years ago), and I still feel bad about it; I guess thats just my nature.
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Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 28 May 2008 at 9:12pm
I don't get that about cat people. Why do they think they can allow their cats to run free? IMO if cats are outside, they should be leashed or contained just like dogs. If you can't do that, keep em inside. I still think your best option is to buy a trap and make them disappear. Take them out to the country and let them loose near a farm. Check with your local municipality. They may have a collar law that require the cats have a collar and tag or you can call the pound on them. That way it keeps you legal. Last thing you want to do is go to jail for killing cats.
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Posted By: paintball437085
Date Posted: 29 May 2008 at 7:12pm
killing a cat is nothing when i go hunting i have no remorse for moose our deer
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Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 30 May 2008 at 10:08am
paintball437085 wrote:
killing a cat is nothing when i go hunting i have no remorse for moose our deer |
Difference being you eat the moose or deer. Are you Chinese?
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Posted By: paintball437085
Date Posted: 30 May 2008 at 2:06pm
^^^ lol no im portuguese. but cat probably wont taste good
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Posted By: Brianwawrz
Date Posted: 01 June 2008 at 1:45pm
paintball437085 wrote:
^^^ lol no im portuguese. but cat probably
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I don't think cat would taste that bad
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Posted By: notom66866
Date Posted: 01 June 2008 at 2:44pm
Feline i8s okay, it tastes salty. I've had lion before.
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Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 02 June 2008 at 8:29pm
notom66866 wrote:
Feline i8s okay, it tastes salty. I've had lion before. |
I wonder if it is because a felines diet consists mainly of meat? If you think about it, most animals raised and used for food are primarily herbavores.
I think we are way off subject now.
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Posted By: Styro Folme
Date Posted: 02 June 2008 at 9:14pm
The Guy wrote:
trap them, and turn them over to animal control
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Posted By: Lightningbolt
Date Posted: 02 June 2008 at 9:37pm
^I see what you're saying but the pet's owner should have more control over their pet. Pet's are a big responsibility and if one can't handle it they shouldn't have a pet.
How much money and time should one spend for someone elses inability to responsibly handle their animals?
It's a tough issue.
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Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 02 June 2008 at 9:45pm
Styro Folme wrote:
The Guy wrote:
trap them, and turn them over to animal control |
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If his animal control is anything like ours, they will "get back to you" the day after never. Unless you have a rabid pitbull chasing your grandmother down the street or an alligator jumping up out of your toilet biting your arse, they have little or no interest in rounding up stray cats.
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Posted By: EastSideRich
Date Posted: 03 June 2008 at 1:06am
I've also heard around here animal control likes to just spay or neuter them, then release them. Not sure if it's true, but if it is it's a stupid idea.
p.s. Still haven't caught any in our yard since I got my marker. It's like they know or something.
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Posted By: Lightningbolt
Date Posted: 03 June 2008 at 10:14am
They may. My dad's female dog can tell when I enter his neighborhood well before I hit his street. Maybe my brakes squeek.
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Posted By: im_new
Date Posted: 03 June 2008 at 11:42am
pellet gun will hurt it, and it will run away, but itll be back later, a .22 will kill it, but it IS loud. try putting moth balls around where the congregate and enter into your yard, moth balls smell like ur grandma's house, might have an effect, or pick up a skunk trap with fish guts inside then let them loose outside of town. i like the idea of paintballin them. probbaly wont keep them away but when u see em PAINT THOSE SUCKERS
i have a groundhog problem at my place, digging holes underneath the garage and under the house. i've .22'd one of them. ran over another (semi-accidently) but they keep multiplying. i gutshotted the latest one hoping it will ran back underneath the garage and die, so nothing else will live under there, but it looks like his lil brother doesnt mind. these things are like rabbits
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Posted By: Lightningbolt
Date Posted: 03 June 2008 at 1:02pm
Ok. So the answer may be to spend gas money to purchase a trap, money on a trap, wear on your vehicle, mileage on your vehicle, money for a fishing license, parks fees, more gas money or money for fish at the store because some laimo can't take care of their pet's. It's all relative but it's alot of work AND MONEY because of someone elses mistakes.
The whole "I can't properly take care of my own responsibilities" thing really ticks me off.
A better answer would be for cat owners to provide a fence system that would contain a cat which isn't very practical so the ultimate answer is that cat's make poor domestic pet's in the real world unless they don't mind their pet's receiving a pellet in their asses while mousing.
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Posted By: Tpaintballer98
Date Posted: 03 June 2008 at 5:40pm
When me and my brother were little we went out with squirt guns and soaked em. Scared all them away and no harm at all.
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Posted By: paintball437085
Date Posted: 03 June 2008 at 8:23pm
throw fire crackers at them our sling shot and rocks
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Posted By: Nagash1959
Date Posted: 03 June 2008 at 8:59pm
The blast from the gun without any ammo in it scares the hell out cats. Max out the velocity, make sure it's empty and get up close. They'll be fine but after one or two of those they won't be coming back.
As for domestic cats that roam around during the day, they are allowed to do that because they, in general, are nowhere near as dangerous as a dog. Cats that don't get out like that tend to get very depressed too. However once they start to inflict actual damage on stuff (not talking about minor stupid thing) then something needs to be done.
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Posted By: ThatGuitarGuy
Date Posted: 03 June 2008 at 11:09pm
I had a neighbors cat coming up on the porch of my house and tormenting my dog through the windows and doors. So one day when I was outside I happened to see the cat come in the yard, and it was close enough to me that I could grab it, so I picked it up by the back of it's neck, carried it over to the pond, dunked it up to it's neck, and carried it back to my property line and set it down.
This cat apparently hated water. I haven't seen it since.
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Posted By: XtremeBordom
Date Posted: 09 June 2008 at 9:27pm
Yeah thats the problem with cats. My sister found a stray and spayed it and now it belongs to us (yippy. ) and we HAVE to lit it out side once and a while otherwise it annoys the hell out of us trying to get out. It actually bent the metal on the curtains attached to our door trying to get out. So think of the cats owners. Whats worse? A cat that snoops around looking for food outside? Or being cooped up with the cat that tries desperately to get out side so it can go snooping around?
Personally i like Nagash1959's idea about turning the velocity up on the gun and shooting at it without paintballs really close. Never fails. btw shoot alot when youre doing it to make it as dramatic as possible for the cat so it scares the living hell out of the cat.
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Posted By: unvolution
Date Posted: 11 June 2008 at 4:53pm
call animal control... have them get the cats
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Posted By: Ace_Of_Spades
Date Posted: 13 June 2008 at 12:10am
if your set on shooting the devils then get an airsoft gun, they sting, nothing more, the cats fur will stop the bb from penetrating and will scare them more than anything, paintballs would just hurt too much for them and you can recover from an eye shot from an airsoft gun (done it)
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Posted By: impulse!
Date Posted: 13 June 2008 at 11:16am
Buy a trained owl?
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Posted By: RoboCop
Date Posted: 14 June 2008 at 10:41am
EastSideRich wrote:
RoboCop wrote:
Homemade silencer! My grandpa made one for a rifle to shoot squirrels. It looked ghetto, but it worked really well.
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Need to be VERY careful with things of this nature -
Can you say Federal Offense?
Even though I'm sure it was quite innocent not to mention fun, he'd be looking at a lengthy prison sentence, and loosing any right to own firearms.
If I were you, I'd suggest he get rid of that thing asap.
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Posted By: John_doe
Date Posted: 24 June 2008 at 1:03pm
just shoot them with a .22
if you are in town use subsonic rounds, they go much slower than regular bullets so they are extremely quiet you can get them at most hunting stores.
if you think it is cruel, just think how many birds you'll save, it's cruel to the birds to not kill the cats
and they're just cats for heaven sake!
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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 26 June 2008 at 8:04am
This should have been locked a long time ago.
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