When did this happen?
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Topic: When did this happen?
Posted By: Thor
Subject: When did this happen?
Date Posted: 10 June 2008 at 8:24pm
I'm curious. When did it become unacceptable to be a man?
I'm talking about bravado, uncouthness, hairy, macho man.
This is all brought about by TV. Suddenly TV doesn't want Tom Selleck, they want Ashton Kutcher, A manboy who has the mentality and looks of a 15 year old boy.
Suddenly I see all my single firends gelling their hair and shaving they're chests so they can be smooth like the girls they are trying to pick up.
When did this become right? When did the age of being a real man end?
Why is it that i can no longer just wear pants and a T-shirt without getting looks like I just walked in from the wilds. Now all these creatine ingesting, hair gelling gym monkeys are wearing neon flip-flops and clamming pants.
Why is it unfashionable now to be a woodsman? Never in my life had i heard of someone not wanting to go camping cause there were no showers or movies and didn't want a snifter of bourbon. Until recently.
There's no real rhyme or reason, or even a story, to go with this rant. I just want answers.
I want to know why it is becoming more fashionable for young men to act like manly women, in order to get noticed or be considered a clean part of society.
I tell ya, it's a crying shame when, all of a sudden, there is no line between the genders or any code of conduct, either.
/rant
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Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 10 June 2008 at 8:32pm
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i agree. but, welcome to life. things change i guess
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Posted By: DzXs
Date Posted: 10 June 2008 at 8:34pm
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someones mad because he got rejected for having a hairy chest :(
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 10 June 2008 at 8:35pm
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You just need to be a retrosexual
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Posted By: ¤ Råp¡Ð F¡rè ¤
Date Posted: 10 June 2008 at 8:44pm
I understand exactly what you're talking about. And lol @ "creatine ingesting. Couldn't be more true...
I honestly prefer to stay clean shaven, but I don't shave my chest hair (the very little that I have). I prefer to shave my facial hair though (again, I don't grow much to begin with).
Oh, and not wanting to go camping just because there are not showers is pretty ridiculous.
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Posted By: Zata
Date Posted: 10 June 2008 at 8:44pm
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Its really not that unusual. Trends change. You can be a part of it, or not be a part of it.
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Posted By: Pate
Date Posted: 10 June 2008 at 8:46pm
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Damn that rap music.
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Posted By: oreomann33
Date Posted: 10 June 2008 at 8:48pm
TV controls everything.
And don't forget it.
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 10 June 2008 at 8:52pm
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I'm a hairy beast of a man. Thankfully the gf couldn't care less, cause without going completely hairless, I'd just look patchy if I tried to wax my chest or something.
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Posted By: Gator Taco
Date Posted: 10 June 2008 at 8:58pm
It amazes me when people say they are going camping and they have a pop up camper trailer and they are plugged into electricity. To me, camping means a tent, sleeping bag, and a fire. You shower when you go home.
I dont know why its cool to be a manly women right now. But I definitely dont like it.
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 10 June 2008 at 9:21pm
I blame indie music and apple.
I agree on the camping thing. I love real camping.
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Posted By: ThatGuitarGuy
Date Posted: 10 June 2008 at 9:24pm
Damn Thor, you're right.
Let's go camping, show off our chest hair, and kill us some animals to eat.
And let's call Tom Selleck and Burt Reynolds to go with us. Possibly even Sean Connery.
And bring the Scotch.
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Posted By: notXXscared
Date Posted: 10 June 2008 at 9:28pm
What's wrong with it? I like being clean and clean shaven. I get my haircut every other week,
trim everything no matter what, and wash my hands more times than I can
count a day. The one time I go camping a year, we go with about 4
different families in RV's otherwise I would never go. Not showering
for 3,4 days is disgusting. I don't know why people like you get angry
because some people like to maintain cleanliness or dress decently for
different occasions. I'm sure no one is looking at you funny for
dressing like that in casual situations, but why not dress in
presentable clothes when your going out in public? It doesn't have to
be fancy, just something decent.
My dad is a hairy beast and once I start getting chest and back hair, I
am definitely getting it waxed. I hate that, and most of the girls I
talk to don't like it either, so why not just get it done? And I go
tanning and stuff all the time with girl friends, sometimes to tan or
other times just to chill with them...and there's more hot girls at a
tanning salon than you can imagine, and they straight up flock to you
since your one of the only guys in there and they know your taking the
initiative to look decent. Make fun of me all you want, but it's not
rocket science and it works.
Don't get me wrong, manly man stuff is fun, but you have to know when it's ok and when to chill out. I like riding quads, shooting stuff, and doing that sort of stuff as much as the next guy, but there is a time and a place for everything.
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Posted By: .357 Magnum
Date Posted: 10 June 2008 at 9:37pm
I'm kind of lost.
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Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 10 June 2008 at 9:46pm
Leave it to Dye Playa to defend the camping with RV's...What's wrong with going camping for a week and not showering? Everyone is doing it(Well when they're not with you). I don't see how it is disgusting, especially when all you are doing for the most part is hanging around. Jump in a lake or a river...damn.
Also you go tanning?...lol. I'm sure the girls flock to you because they're not afraid of homos and can take you shopping and get a man's perspective.
Nothing wrong with dressing decent when going out(I'm sure Thor agrees) but this metrosexual stuff is ridiculous.
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Posted By: Gator Taco
Date Posted: 10 June 2008 at 9:48pm
jmac3 wrote:
Leave it to Dye Playa to defend the camping with RV's...What's wrong with going camping for a week and not showering? Everyone is doing it(Well when they're not with you). I don't see how it is disgusting, especially when all you are doing for the most part is hanging around. Jump in a lake or a river...damn.
Also you go tanning?...lol. I'm sure the girls flock to you because they're not afraid of homos and can take you shopping and get a man's perspective.
Nothing wrong with dressing decent when going out(I'm sure Thor agrees) but this metrosexual stuff is ridiculous.
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He doesn't have hair on his chest.
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Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 10 June 2008 at 9:49pm
MWAHAHAHAHHA
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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 10 June 2008 at 9:57pm
I see absolutely no problem with camping in a tent for a week without a shower or electricity. In fact, many of my weekends during the summer involve me living in a tent during reenactments and camping trips. I love it.
If everyone around you is the same way, what difference does it make?
Camping in an RV? Stay the hell home.
Waxing your chest? Hand in your man card sissy, it isn't necessary. I've never, EVER thought about doing that, and still managed to snag a girl that thought I was worth getting married to.
In fact, any woman worth keeping will appreciate a guy for who he is, not because he shaves his chest or dresses like a hollister mannequin.
I'm with you on this one- have been for a while. The only comfort I have is getting a solid chuckle out out of watching gurlie men struggle and worry what everyone else thinks about them.
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Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 10 June 2008 at 10:00pm
lol Dyeplaya is a girl
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Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 10 June 2008 at 10:06pm
I shave my chest, but mostly because my chest hair comes in all scraggly and gross, AND it makes my chest/abs look better.
Besides that, I don't think I do anything girly. I like camping, hiking, etc.
And it makes me laugh that you say anyone that takes creatine is a girly man. Ignorance is fun.
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 10 June 2008 at 10:09pm
Posted By: notXXscared
Date Posted: 10 June 2008 at 10:09pm
It's not just about the girls..back and chest hair is gross. A little I would be ok with, but I would hate walking around looking like a god damn rug. And no Gator Taco, I don't since I'm 16. Also, it's too bad since I already hooked up with the tanning girls, so the homo thing kinda went out the window with that.
And I never said camping was bad, but I hate that feeling of being grimy. Your in a tent for like 4 days without a shower so you smell like campfire smoke and B.O and your balls are sticking to your leg. It's just gross. Hanging out outside is straight but I don't know, I'm just meticulous and OCD with being clean, I can't take it lol. I'm fine with camping as long as I can take a shower during it.
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 10 June 2008 at 10:12pm
notXXscared wrote:
It's not just about the girls..back and chest hair is gross. A little I would be ok with, but I would hate walking around looking like a god damn rug. And no Gator Taco, I don't since I'm 16. Also, it's too bad since I already hooked up with the tanning girls, so the homo thing kinda went out the window with that. And I never said camping was bad, but I hate that feeling of being grimy. Your in a tent for like 4 days without a shower so you smell like campfire smoke and B.O and your balls are sticking to your leg. It's just gross. Hanging out outside is straight but I don't know, I'm just meticulous and OCD with being clean, I can't take it lol. I'm fine with camping as long as I can take a shower during it.
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Wuss. Just turn in your balls now.
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Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 10 June 2008 at 10:14pm
Trying to brag about going to the tanning salon and "picking up chicks" makes you;
A) A liar.
B) exceptional homo-esque.
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Posted By: Zata
Date Posted: 10 June 2008 at 10:21pm
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I don't understand why you people care so much about others. Unless it actually effects you, why don't you just mind your own business?
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Posted By: notXXscared
Date Posted: 10 June 2008 at 10:27pm
usafpilot07 wrote:
Trying to brag about going to the tanning salon and "picking up chicks" makes you;
A) A liar.
B) exceptional homo-esque.
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I go there with friends who happen to be girls, and if I feel like tanning, I do. If I don't I'll go for the ride, chill with them for the car ride, and see if I can talk to anyone in the waiting room while I'm waiting for them to come out from the beds. Is it really that difficult to comprehend? Why would I lie, and how would talking with/picking up girls make me a homo?
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Posted By: *Stealth*
Date Posted: 10 June 2008 at 10:28pm
notXXscared wrote:
It's not just about the girls..back and chest hair is gross. A little I would be ok with, but I would hate walking around looking like a god damn rug. And no Gator Taco, I don't since I'm 16. Also, it's too bad since I already hooked up with the tanning girls, so the homo thing kinda went out the window with that.
And I never said camping was bad, but I hate that feeling of being grimy. Your in a tent for like 4 days without a shower so you smell like campfire smoke and B.O and your balls are sticking to your leg. It's just gross. Hanging out outside is straight but I don't know, I'm just meticulous and OCD with being clean, I can't take it lol. I'm fine with camping as long as I can take a shower during it.
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Again, I will use this remark.
Good god man,
I'm a damn virgin and I pity you.
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Posted By: ¤ Råp¡Ð F¡rè ¤
Date Posted: 10 June 2008 at 10:29pm
choopie911 wrote:
notXXscared wrote:
It's not just about the girls..back and chest hair is gross. A little I would be ok with, but I would hate walking around looking like a god damn rug. And no Gator Taco, I don't since I'm 16. Also, it's too bad since I already hooked up with the tanning girls, so the homo thing kinda went out the window with that. And I never said camping was bad, but I hate that feeling of being grimy. Your in a tent for like 4 days without a shower so you smell like campfire smoke and B.O and your balls are sticking to your leg. It's just gross. Hanging out outside is straight but I don't know, I'm just meticulous and OCD with being clean, I can't take it lol. I'm fine with camping as long as I can take a shower during it.
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Wuss. Just turn in your balls now. |
Seriously. If you're worried about sweaty... manhood... don't ever go outside the air conditioning for more than 20 minutes in locations where the temperature gets higher than 80 degrees. Don't play outdoor sports either.
Everybody sweats, and sometimes in uncomfortable areas. Also, as suggested before, jump in a river or something if you really smell that bad. Not to mention, I wouldn't expect a pretty boy like you to smell like BO after a couple days without a shower.
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*Stealth* wrote:
I'm a damn virgin and I pity you.
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I lol'ed.
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Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 10 June 2008 at 10:31pm
A "real" man doesn't care about what other men do; none of you are real men.
I am now the undisputed manliest member of the forum, if not because of my swimmer body and good looks, but because I don't get bothered by what other people do.
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Posted By: Evil Elvis
Date Posted: 10 June 2008 at 10:31pm
notXXscared wrote:
I'm a girlie man
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Posted By: Zata
Date Posted: 10 June 2008 at 10:32pm
Posted By: notXXscared
Date Posted: 10 June 2008 at 10:34pm
¤ Råp¡Ð F¡rè ¤ wrote:
choopie911 wrote:
notXXscared wrote:
It's not just about the girls..back and chest hair is gross. A little I would be ok with, but I would hate walking around looking like a god damn rug. And no Gator Taco, I don't since I'm 16. Also, it's too bad since I already hooked up with the tanning girls, so the homo thing kinda went out the window with that. And I never said camping was bad, but I hate that feeling of being grimy. Your in a tent for like 4 days without a shower so you smell like campfire smoke and B.O and your balls are sticking to your leg. It's just gross. Hanging out outside is straight but I don't know, I'm just meticulous and OCD with being clean, I can't take it lol. I'm fine with camping as long as I can take a shower during it.
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Wuss. Just turn in your balls now. |
Seriously. If you're worried about sweaty... manhood... don't ever go outside the air conditioning for more than 20 minutes in locations where the temperature gets higher than 80 degrees. Don't play outdoor sports either.
Everybody sweats, and sometimes in uncomfortable areas. Also, as suggested before, jump in a river or something if you really smell that bad. Not to mention, I wouldn't expect a pretty boy like you to smell like BO after a couple days without a shower.
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*Stealth* wrote:
I'm a damn virgin and I pity you.
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I lol'ed.
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apparently taking pictures in the woods by yourself isn't working too
good.
But seriously, besides Gatyr and Zata, you guys are the biggest manwomen here...last I checked most men don't really care what other guys are doing, and they definetely aren't gossiping about another dude's personal activities.
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 10 June 2008 at 10:39pm
Gatyr wrote:
A "real" man doesn't care about what other men do; none of you are real men. I am now the undisputed manliest member of the forum, if not because of my swimmer body and good looks, but because I don't get bothered by what other people do.
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I'm larger and hairier than you.
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 10 June 2008 at 10:47pm
notXXscared wrote:
usafpilot07 wrote:
Trying to brag about going to the tanning salon and "picking up chicks" makes you;A) A liar.B) exceptional homo-esque.
| I go there with friends who happen to be girls, and if I feel like tanning, I do. If I don't I'll go for the ride, chill with them for the car ride, and see if I can talk to anyone in the waiting room while I'm waiting for them to come out from the beds. Is it really that difficult to comprehend? Why would I lie, and how would talking with/picking up girls make me a homo? |
Enjoy your skin cancer and girliness!
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Posted By: notXXscared
Date Posted: 10 June 2008 at 10:50pm
carl_the_sniper wrote:
notXXscared wrote:
usafpilot07 wrote:
Trying to brag about going to the tanning salon and "picking up chicks" makes you;A) A liar.B) exceptional homo-esque.
| I go there with friends who happen to be girls, and if I feel like tanning, I do. If I don't I'll go for the ride, chill with them for the car ride, and see if I can talk to anyone in the waiting room while I'm waiting for them to come out from the beds. Is it really that difficult to comprehend? Why would I lie, and how would talking with/picking up girls make me a homo? |
Enjoy your skin cancer and girliness! |
My liver/lungs/heart are goin way before my skin bro. And it's not like everyday...I only actually tan once in a while, I just go to chill most of the time.
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Posted By: *Stealth*
Date Posted: 10 June 2008 at 10:53pm
notXXscared wrote:
¤ Råp¡Ð F¡rè ¤ wrote:
choopie911 wrote:
notXXscared wrote:
It's not just about the girls..back and chest hair is gross. A little I would be ok with, but I would hate walking around looking like a god damn rug. And no Gator Taco, I don't since I'm 16. Also, it's too bad since I already hooked up with the tanning girls, so the homo thing kinda went out the window with that. And I never said camping was bad, but I hate that feeling of being grimy. Your in a tent for like 4 days without a shower so you smell like campfire smoke and B.O and your balls are sticking to your leg. It's just gross. Hanging out outside is straight but I don't know, I'm just meticulous and OCD with being clean, I can't take it lol. I'm fine with camping as long as I can take a shower during it.
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Wuss. Just turn in your balls now. |
Seriously. If you're worried about sweaty... manhood... don't ever go outside the air conditioning for more than 20 minutes in locations where the temperature gets higher than 80 degrees. Don't play outdoor sports either.
Everybody sweats, and sometimes in uncomfortable areas. Also, as suggested before, jump in a river or something if you really smell that bad. Not to mention, I wouldn't expect a pretty boy like you to smell like BO after a couple days without a shower.
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*Stealth* wrote:
I'm a damn virgin and I pity you.
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I lol'ed.
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apparently taking pictures in the woods by yourself isn't working too
good.
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I'm in the woods making fires, climbing trees, confronting bears and wolfs and all other sorts of critters, living amongst the forest.
I have hair on my chest, and I'm often caked in mud. My jeep isn't 4x4 and filthy because I like to go "Wheeling" on the weekend, it's that way because thats the stuff I do every day.
I may suck with women, but at least I have some musk to me, because I don't feel the need to put perfume on every day.
I will never take notes from you.
/forget the fact I work in a waitresses world :P
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Posted By: Gator Taco
Date Posted: 10 June 2008 at 10:55pm
Stealth, I just gained some respect for you.
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Posted By: Evil Elvis
Date Posted: 10 June 2008 at 10:57pm
*Stealth* wrote:
notXXscared wrote:
¤ Råp¡Ð F¡rè ¤ wrote:
choopie911 wrote:
notXXscared wrote:
It's not just about the girls..back and chest hair is gross. A little I would be ok with, but I would hate walking around looking like a god damn rug. And no Gator Taco, I don't since I'm 16. Also, it's too bad since I already hooked up with the tanning girls, so the homo thing kinda went out the window with that. And I never said camping was bad, but I hate that feeling of being grimy. Your in a tent for like 4 days without a shower so you smell like campfire smoke and B.O and your balls are sticking to your leg. It's just gross. Hanging out outside is straight but I don't know, I'm just meticulous and OCD with being clean, I can't take it lol. I'm fine with camping as long as I can take a shower during it.
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Wuss. Just turn in your balls now. | Seriously. If you're worried about sweaty... manhood... don't ever go outside the air conditioning for more than 20 minutes in locations where the temperature gets higher than 80 degrees. Don't play outdoor sports either.Everybody sweats, and sometimes in uncomfortable areas. Also, as suggested before, jump in a river or something if you really smell that bad. Not to mention, I wouldn't expect a pretty boy like you to smell like BO after a couple days without a shower.EDIT
*Stealth* wrote:
I'm a damn virgin and I pity you. |
I lol'ed.
| And I lol'ed too at Stealth but maybe you should be taking notes instead of making fun, because
apparently taking pictures in the woods by yourself isn't working too
good. | I'm in the woods making fires, climbing trees, confronting bears and wolfs and all other sorts of critters, living amongst the forest.I have hair on my chest, and I'm often caked in mud. My jeep isn't 4x4 and filthy because I like to go "Wheeling" on the weekend, it's that way because thats the stuff I do every day.I may suck with women, but at least I have some musk to me, because I don't feel the need to put perfume on every day.I will never take notes from you./forget the fact I work in a waitresses world :P |
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Posted By: notXXscared
Date Posted: 10 June 2008 at 11:12pm
*Stealth* wrote:
notXXscared wrote:
¤ Råp¡Ð F¡rè ¤ wrote:
choopie911 wrote:
notXXscared wrote:
It's not just about the girls..back and chest hair is gross. A little I would be ok with, but I would hate walking around looking like a god damn rug. And no Gator Taco, I don't since I'm 16. Also, it's too bad since I already hooked up with the tanning girls, so the homo thing kinda went out the window with that. And I never said camping was bad, but I hate that feeling of being grimy. Your in a tent for like 4 days without a shower so you smell like campfire smoke and B.O and your balls are sticking to your leg. It's just gross. Hanging out outside is straight but I don't know, I'm just meticulous and OCD with being clean, I can't take it lol. I'm fine with camping as long as I can take a shower during it.
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Wuss. Just turn in your balls now. |
Seriously. If you're worried about sweaty... manhood... don't ever go outside the air conditioning for more than 20 minutes in locations where the temperature gets higher than 80 degrees. Don't play outdoor sports either.
Everybody sweats, and sometimes in uncomfortable areas. Also, as suggested before, jump in a river or something if you really smell that bad. Not to mention, I wouldn't expect a pretty boy like you to smell like BO after a couple days without a shower.
EDIT
*Stealth* wrote:
I'm a damn virgin and I pity you.
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I lol'ed.
| And I lol'ed too at Stealth but maybe you should be taking notes instead of making fun, because
apparently taking pictures in the woods by yourself isn't working too
good.
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I'm in the woods making fires, climbing trees, confronting bears and wolfs and all other sorts of critters, living amongst the forest.
I have hair on my chest, and I'm often caked in mud. My jeep isn't 4x4 and filthy because I like to go "Wheeling" on the weekend, it's that way because thats the stuff I do every day.
I may suck with women, but at least I have some musk to me, because I don't feel the need to put perfume on every day.
I will never take notes from you.
/forget the fact I work in a waitresses world :P
| Have fun there Paul Bunyan, maybe one day you'll have the opportunity to slip a bear, wolf, or other critter a roofie and actually get your wet, because your future with woman doesn't look too promising considering your spending your days frolicking in a mud hole and climbing trees.
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Posted By: Gator Taco
Date Posted: 10 June 2008 at 11:14pm
LOL
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Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 10 June 2008 at 11:28pm
EE, was that your work?
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Posted By: Thor
Date Posted: 10 June 2008 at 11:37pm
How in the hell did this turn into a Hygiene thread?
I was just wanting answers to the behaviours. Not arguing the behaviours themselves. I just wanted to know when this shift in socitey came about.
It musta happened while i was winter camping, admiring my sweaty balls.
And yes, creatine automatically makes you a wuss in my books. I mean think about it. How do you think everybody that came before us grew big and strong without some magic powder. Here's an idea, go catch yourself some salmon. Samey Samey.
Anyways,this rant got way off topic. surprise surprise.
I got a wife from the east coast who can appreciate a real man for what he's worth. We each know our roles as well.
I wish the best of luck to the coming generations who love indie, spend a fortune on useless waxes and gels, dislike being outdoors, and haven't ever even been in a real fistfight in their entire lives. You'll need the luck, because you'll be the downfall of society as we like it.
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Posted By: *Stealth*
Date Posted: 10 June 2008 at 11:38pm
notXXscared wrote:
*Stealth* wrote:
notXXscared wrote:
¤ Råp¡Ð F¡rè ¤ wrote:
choopie911 wrote:
notXXscared wrote:
It's not just about the girls..back and chest hair is gross. A little I would be ok with, but I would hate walking around looking like a god damn rug. And no Gator Taco, I don't since I'm 16. Also, it's too bad since I already hooked up with the tanning girls, so the homo thing kinda went out the window with that. And I never said camping was bad, but I hate that feeling of being grimy. Your in a tent for like 4 days without a shower so you smell like campfire smoke and B.O and your balls are sticking to your leg. It's just gross. Hanging out outside is straight but I don't know, I'm just meticulous and OCD with being clean, I can't take it lol. I'm fine with camping as long as I can take a shower during it.
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Wuss. Just turn in your balls now. |
Seriously. If you're worried about sweaty... manhood... don't ever go outside the air conditioning for more than 20 minutes in locations where the temperature gets higher than 80 degrees. Don't play outdoor sports either.
Everybody sweats, and sometimes in uncomfortable areas. Also, as suggested before, jump in a river or something if you really smell that bad. Not to mention, I wouldn't expect a pretty boy like you to smell like BO after a couple days without a shower.
EDIT
*Stealth* wrote:
I'm a damn virgin and I pity you.
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I lol'ed.
| And I lol'ed too at Stealth but maybe you should be taking notes instead of making fun, because
apparently taking pictures in the woods by yourself isn't working too
good.
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I'm in the woods making fires, climbing trees, confronting bears and wolfs and all other sorts of critters, living amongst the forest.
I have hair on my chest, and I'm often caked in mud. My jeep isn't 4x4 and filthy because I like to go "Wheeling" on the weekend, it's that way because thats the stuff I do every day.
I may suck with women, but at least I have some musk to me, because I don't feel the need to put perfume on every day.
I will never take notes from you.
/forget the fact I work in a waitresses world :P
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 10 June 2008 at 11:58pm
notXXscared wrote:
*Stealth* wrote:
notXXscared wrote:
¤ Råp¡Ð F¡rè ¤ wrote:
choopie911 wrote:
notXXscared wrote:
It's not just about the girls..back and chest hair is gross. A little I would be ok with, but I would hate walking around looking like a god damn rug. And no Gator Taco, I don't since I'm 16. Also, it's too bad since I already hooked up with the tanning girls, so the homo thing kinda went out the window with that. And I never said camping was bad, but I hate that feeling of being grimy. Your in a tent for like 4 days without a shower so you smell like campfire smoke and B.O and your balls are sticking to your leg. It's just gross. Hanging out outside is straight but I don't know, I'm just meticulous and OCD with being clean, I can't take it lol. I'm fine with camping as long as I can take a shower during it.
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Wuss. Just turn in your balls now. | Seriously. If you're worried about sweaty... manhood... don't ever go outside the air conditioning for more than 20 minutes in locations where the temperature gets higher than 80 degrees. Don't play outdoor sports either.Everybody sweats, and sometimes in uncomfortable areas. Also, as suggested before, jump in a river or something if you really smell that bad. Not to mention, I wouldn't expect a pretty boy like you to smell like BO after a couple days without a shower.EDIT
*Stealth* wrote:
I'm a damn virgin and I pity you. |
I lol'ed.
| And I lol'ed too at Stealth but maybe you should be taking notes instead of making fun, because
apparently taking pictures in the woods by yourself isn't working too
good. | I'm in the woods making fires, climbing trees, confronting bears and wolfs and all other sorts of critters, living amongst the forest.I have hair on my chest, and I'm often caked in mud. My jeep isn't 4x4 and filthy because I like to go "Wheeling" on the weekend, it's that way because thats the stuff I do every day.I may suck with women, but at least I have some musk to me, because I don't feel the need to put perfume on every day.I will never take notes from you./forget the fact I work in a waitresses world :P | Have fun there Paul Bunyan, maybe one day you'll have the opportunity to slip a bear, wolf, or other critter a roofie and actually get your wet, because your future with woman doesn't look too promising considering your spending your days frolicking in a mud hole and climbing trees. |
http://youtube.com/watch?v=XhQWb9NvcgY - About you?
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Posted By: little devil
Date Posted: 11 June 2008 at 12:11am
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Thor wrote:
And yes, creatine automatically makes you a wuss in my books. I mean think about it. How do you think everybody that came before us grew big and strong without some magic powder. Here's an idea, go catch yourself some salmon. Samey Samey.
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BUT!!! I have no porblems going camping for a few days without showers and all that stuff. SO am I still a wuss? j/k I dont care what peeps think.
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Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 11 June 2008 at 12:17am
Thor wrote:
And yes, creatine automatically makes you a wuss in my books. I mean think about it. How do you think everybody that came before us grew big and strong without some magic powder. Here's an idea, go catch yourself some salmon. Samey Samey. |
So 50% + of college football and baseball players today are sissies? Ha.
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Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 11 June 2008 at 12:27am
usafpilot07 wrote:
Thor wrote:
And yes, creatine automatically makes you a wuss in my books. I mean think about it. How do you think everybody that came before us grew big and strong without some magic powder. Here's an idea, go catch yourself some salmon. Samey Samey. |
So 50% + of college football and baseball players today are sissies? Ha.
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Posted By: -ProDigY-
Date Posted: 11 June 2008 at 1:04am
Hands down the crappiest thread in years.
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Posted By: Thor
Date Posted: 11 June 2008 at 1:33am
usafpilot07 wrote:
Thor wrote:
And yes, creatine automatically makes you a wuss in my books. I mean think about it. How do you think everybody that came before us grew big and strong without some magic powder. Here's an idea, go catch yourself some salmon. Samey Samey. | So 50% + of college football and baseball players today are sissies? Ha. |
Prolly, either that or too lazy to get their protein and creatine from food source.
Oh, before i forget, Prodigy is officially the biggest man-boy on the forum. Decreed so, in the name of me.
See Prodigy? we can all be self-righteous jackasses.
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Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 11 June 2008 at 1:38am
Thor wrote:
usafpilot07 wrote:
Thor wrote:
And yes, creatine automatically makes you a wuss in my books. I mean think about it. How do you think everybody that came before us grew big and strong without some magic powder. Here's an idea, go catch yourself some salmon. Samey Samey. | So 50% + of college football and baseball players today are sissies? Ha. |
Prolly, either that or too lazy to get their protein and creatine from food source.
Oh, before i forget, Prodigy is officially the biggest man-boy on the forum. Decreed so, in the name of me.
See Prodigy? we can all be self-righteous jackasses. |
Or perhaps too smart to eat the dangerous amounts of red meats it would take to meet those same creatine levels?
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Posted By: Thor
Date Posted: 11 June 2008 at 1:52am
*Sigh*
*squint* Are you really that stupid?
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Posted By: BARREL BREAK
Date Posted: 11 June 2008 at 2:27am
Oh lawd, does someone need to read up on their gender theory?
That said, I enjoy the manly-man things in life. This weekend should be:
- Real backpacking/camping.
- Beer.
- Fire.
- Mud.
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 11 June 2008 at 2:39am
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Thor wrote:
I'm curious. When did it become unacceptable to
be a man?
I'm talking about bravado, uncouthness, hairy, macho man.
This is all brought about by TV. Suddenly TV doesn't want Tom Selleck, they want
Ashton Kutcher, A manboy who has the mentality and looks of a 15 year old boy.
Suddenly I see all my single firends gelling their hair and shaving they're
chests so they can be smooth like the girls they are trying to pick up. |
That explains some of the people at school who seem to have
gender differentiation confusion. I don’t
mind them, I just find it annoying when they expect everyone to act like they
do.
One of them referred to me as a “throwback” and a “caveman”
during a class last semester. Since he
was probably less than half my age and would most likely snap like a dry twig
if struck, I refrained from giving him a well deserved smack and settled for
asking him if his testicles had dropped yet.
(He was much less amused than the rest of us.)
Gatyr wrote:
A "real" man doesn't care about what
other men do; none of you are real men. |
QFT.
There is something satisfying about being unshaven, inappropriate and not
giving a damn about other's opinions.
*Stealth* wrote:
I'm a damn virgin and I pity you. |
Ha! Stealth FTW!
notXXscared wrote:
Have fun there Paul Bunyan, maybe one day you'll
have the opportunity to slip a bear, wolf, or other critter a roofie and
actually get your wet, because your future with woman doesn't
look too promising considering your spending your days frolicking in a mud hole
and climbing trees.
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Wow! Someone either
needs to catch up on their beauty sleep or must have felt that Stealth’s
comment hit too close to home.
Thor wrote:
I wish the best of luck to the coming
generations who love indie, spend a fortune on useless waxes and gels, dislike
being outdoors, and haven't ever even been in a real fistfight in their entire
lives. You'll need the luck, because you'll be the downfall of society as we
like it. |
At least when society unravels it will be easy to slap them
around and take their food.
“Gimme the Twinkie!"
“No, it’s mine.”
“Really?” THWAP!
“No; not the hair!
Take it! Take it!
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Posted By: Hysteria
Date Posted: 11 June 2008 at 5:06am
carl_the_sniper wrote:
notXXscared wrote:
Have fun there Paul Bunyan, maybe one day you'll have the opportunity to slip a bear, wolf, or other critter a roofie and actually get your wet, because your future with woman doesn't look too promising considering your spending your days frolicking in a mud hole and climbing trees. |
http://youtube.com/watch?v=XhQWb9NvcgY - About you? |
Damn it, Carl. I have officially lol'ed at a post made by you. I feel like a lesser person now. :(
notXXscared wrote:
My liver/lungs/heart are goin way before my
skin bro. And it's not like everyday...I only actually tan once in a
while, I just go to chill most of the time.
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Doing harmful substances makes you neither manly, nor badass. How old are you, 10?
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Posted By: Brian Fellows
Date Posted: 11 June 2008 at 5:21am
Posted By: Snipa69
Date Posted: 11 June 2008 at 6:19am
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This is where I get confused. I keep the hair on my head short, and my facial hair shaven. I just concider myself lucky enough that even at my age I don't seem to grow much body hair and the girls I know seem to enjoy it. At the same time, I am a certified Autotech. I'm a Marine and that's something you can't ever really take away manliness points for. I enjoy camping in a tent, and at the same time I like to wear decent looking clothing because I enjoy looking decent. Where exactly do I stand on Thors manly chart?
Really, I don't care. You shouldn't either Thor. By your standards the downfall of society will be the fact that a small group of guys do things differently than you, but it is blown out of proportion by mainstream media and you have taken a bite of it all in assuming that EVERYONE is going to do it and they all do it for the same reasons.
Be who you are, not who others want you to be. That goes for you and the rest of us.
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Posted By: notXXscared
Date Posted: 11 June 2008 at 9:24am
mack, it didn't hit close to home but it was obviously directed at me, and
I'm not just going I sit back and take it.
And Hystria, if you actually read my post iwasnt trying to be a bad ass. I
doubt I'm goingto get skincancer from the reletivly few times I actually
tan. Going there=/=tanning all the time.
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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 11 June 2008 at 9:31am
notXXscared wrote:
mack, it didn't hit close to home but it was obviously directed at me, and
I'm not just going I sit back and take it.
And Hystria, if you actually read my post iwasnt trying to be a bad ass. I
doubt I'm goingto get skincancer from the reletivly few times I actually
tan. Going there=/=tanning all the time.
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Just so you know, I read your first post to my wife......she laughed at you.
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Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 11 June 2008 at 9:46am
Reb Cpl wrote:
notXXscared wrote:
mack, it didn't hit close to home but it was obviously directed at me, and
I'm not just going I sit back and take it.
And Hystria, if you actually read my post iwasnt trying to be a bad ass. I
doubt I'm goingto get skincancer from the reletivly few times I actually
tan. Going there=/=tanning all the time.
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Just so you know, I read your first post to my wife......she laughed at you.
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YES YES YES.
Reb, that already just made my day.
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Posted By: Gator Taco
Date Posted: 11 June 2008 at 9:50am
LOL @ dyes new title.
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Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 11 June 2008 at 11:24am
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I think following Choopies statements that a man hair showdown thread needs to be started! I guarantee I will finish in the top 5! And yes, I do shave my back before going to the pool or beach. Got really drunk one night and tried shaving all down once and it looked like Chewbaka exploded in my tub. Man, there are just some places you really don't want to have to regrow hair all the time.
Trends come and go and the current one seems to be towards metrosexuality. Personally, I like to roll around in the dirt, grow a beard, drink beer and hike through mud, but have to admit that I really like for there to be and air conditioner and a shower waiting at home for me at the end of the day. I also like to look nice when I am going out, and have no problem spending good money on clothing and shoes. However, I also get a boner when a hopped up 69 Firebird rolls by and I enjoy changing my own oil.
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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 11 June 2008 at 11:29am
oldpbnoob wrote:
I think following Choopies statements that a man hair showdown thread needs to be started!
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For the love of God.....no....please
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Posted By: XtremeBordom
Date Posted: 11 June 2008 at 11:34am
choopie911 wrote:
You just need to be a retrosexual |
Its metrosexual and no. That is borderline gay.
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Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 11 June 2008 at 11:39am
XtremeBordom wrote:
choopie911 wrote:
You just need to be a retrosexual |
Its metrosexual and no. That is borderline gay.
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You completely missed the point he was making.
Fail.
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Posted By: XtremeBordom
Date Posted: 11 June 2008 at 11:52am
¤ Råp¡Ð F¡rè ¤ wrote:
I honestly prefer to stay clean shaven, but I
don't shave my chest hair (the very little that I have). I prefer to
shave my facial hair though (again, I don't grow much to begin
with). |
I don't think he means completely shaven. I think he means everything but the beard. Men have been shaving since the invention of knives. I think he means every other part of the body but the head. And i agree 100%. Men are becoming more and more like women. It is a damn shame and i wont stand for it. When I get older and get married and hopefully have a son, I will teach him how to be a real man and not be ashamed of it. You would be surprised how many girls are longing for the passion of a real man. Why do you think there are so many divorces? No, how many times have you heard the reason of a divorce was the wife not getting enough adventure. Thats what a woman wants. She doesn't want to BE the adventure she wants to go WITH you on the adventure. Thats what I read in a best selling book about men. I believe it.
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Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 11 June 2008 at 12:02pm
XtremeBordom wrote:
¤ Råp¡Ð F¡rè ¤ wrote:
I honestly prefer to stay clean shaven, but I
don't shave my chest hair (the very little that I have). I prefer to
shave my facial hair though (again, I don't grow much to begin
with). |
I don't think he means completely shaven. I think he means everything but the beard. Men have been shaving since the invention of knives. I think he means every other part of the body but the head. And i agree 100%. Men are becoming more and more like women. It is a damn shame and i wont stand for it. When I get older and get married and hopefully have a son, I will teach him how to be a real man and not be ashamed of it. You would be surprised how many girls are longing for the passion of a real man. Why do you think there are so many divorces? No, how many times have you heard the reason of a divorce was the wife not getting enough adventure. Thats what a woman wants. She doesn't want to BE the adventure she wants to go WITH you on the adventure. Thats what I read in a best selling book about men. I believe it.
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While I'm not anywhere near a metrosexual, and don't live like one, you're just ignorant. Anyone naive enough to blame an astonishingly high divorce rate on the "manliness" of men is ridiculous. Maybe once you "grow up" you'll actually see that relationships don't always work out.
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Posted By: XtremeBordom
Date Posted: 11 June 2008 at 12:14pm
Maybe they would workout in the first place if society didn't base the whole thing on sex.
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Posted By: Rambino
Date Posted: 11 June 2008 at 12:32pm
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How did I miss this thread...
First - I hate to pile on, but notxxx: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!
(sorry)
On point - am I the only one that thinks Thor is behind the curve here? I thought the metrosexual bit played out several years ago, and that we are now trending (slowly) back towards more old-school manliness.
But I think there is room in the middle here. Clearly a "man" needs to be unafraid of getting his hands (or anything else) dirty. If the thought of going 48 hours without a shower frightens you, or you think "RV" and "camping" go in the same sentence, you are just embarassing yourself. At the same time, we can perhaps agree that a proper man isn't unnecessarily unhygienic. Not showering for a week for no particular reason, while around people who are clean, isn't manly - just inconsiderate. Being manly doesn't mean you are inconsiderate, it just means you aren't obsessed with appearances.
Similarly, if you shave your chest or lay down in a tanning bed (ever!), you are almost certainly far too obsessed with your appearance. A man shaves and combs his hair for an occasion, because he knows that appearances do matter, but he isn't afraid to be what he is - even if that means pasty white and hairy (exception allowed for removing back hair, as society has unfairly demonized back hair).
Being manly doesn't mean you have to go looking for fights, but it does mean that you have to face the fight when it comes to you.
Being manly doesn't mean that you have to be Paul Bunyan, but it does mean that you can't be afraid of sleeping outside or eating fish scorched on a campfire.
Being manly means putting on (and looking good in) a nice suit for a wedding or event, but not worrying about whether the pants make you look fat.
See? All kinds of middle ground.
And being manly isn't just about getting laid. This is no excuse for tanning and waxing. If getting laid were the only goal, we would all be ballet dancers or Broadway "actors". Manliness has less to do with women than with other men.
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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 11 June 2008 at 12:35pm
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 11 June 2008 at 12:40pm
MMMMM... fire scorched fish.
I could go for some right now.
Metrosexual people annoy me. But it's time to decide: are you gay or are you not?
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Posted By: -ProDigY-
Date Posted: 11 June 2008 at 12:49pm
I hereby declare that being conscious of your "manliness" (or lack
thereof) makes you less manly by a factor of two.
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Posted By: White o Light
Date Posted: 11 June 2008 at 12:50pm
Thor wrote:
I wish the best of luck to the coming generations who love indie, spend a
fortune on useless waxes and gels, dislike being outdoors, and haven't
ever even been in a real fistfight in their entire lives. You'll need the luck,
because you'll be the downfall of society as we like it. |
Most indie musicians are the hairiest people i've ever seen.
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Posted By: White o Light
Date Posted: 11 June 2008 at 12:56pm
Posted By: Gator Taco
Date Posted: 11 June 2008 at 12:57pm
Hairy indie men?
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Posted By: -ProDigY-
Date Posted: 11 June 2008 at 12:58pm
Devendra Banhart
Will Oldham (bonus points for balding)
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Posted By: -ProDigY-
Date Posted: 11 June 2008 at 1:01pm
EFRIM!
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Posted By: White o Light
Date Posted: 11 June 2008 at 1:01pm
^^ The Shins are probably the most popular "indie" around and THEY have beards...
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Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 11 June 2008 at 1:05pm
 That's a beard.
Also, I feel bad for dye playa. He's an mtv slut.
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Posted By: Gator Taco
Date Posted: 11 June 2008 at 1:06pm
This is a beard.

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Posted By: White o Light
Date Posted: 11 June 2008 at 1:10pm
Posted By: -ProDigY-
Date Posted: 11 June 2008 at 1:11pm
Mr. Gregg Gillis

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Posted By: Rambino
Date Posted: 11 June 2008 at 1:12pm
Why the sudden indie porn?
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Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 11 June 2008 at 1:14pm
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Posted By: Gator Taco
Date Posted: 11 June 2008 at 1:16pm
Rambino wrote:
Why the sudden indie porn? |
The indie members of the forum are defending their manliness by posting pics of hairy men.
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Posted By: -ProDigY-
Date Posted: 11 June 2008 at 1:17pm
I'm not defending my manliness, it's just fun posting hairy dudes.
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Posted By: White o Light
Date Posted: 11 June 2008 at 1:17pm

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Posted By: Rambino
Date Posted: 11 June 2008 at 1:20pm
So let me post this question question to the opposing-traditional-manhood-crowd: If you invited a guy to play paintball, and he said he didn't want to play because somebody told him it hurt - would you think less of him for it?
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Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 11 June 2008 at 1:20pm
This is now a Rivers Cuomo thread.

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Posted By: -ProDigY-
Date Posted: 11 June 2008 at 1:22pm
Conor Oberst

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Posted By: -ProDigY-
Date Posted: 11 June 2008 at 1:25pm
Gaspard Augé from Justice is mad hairy. -2 manly points for shutter
shades, though.
THIS JUST IN
Gaspard receives +6 manly points for rocking mad leather vests and +2 manly points for
that "Stress" music video with all those black kids kicking ass and taking names.
However, he loses -2 manly points for chilling with that wussy asian dude (the other
half of Justice), and another -2 for being french.
When all is said and done he breaks even
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Posted By: Tical2.0
Date Posted: 11 June 2008 at 1:25pm
this thread got really homo erotic very quick
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Posted By: White o Light
Date Posted: 11 June 2008 at 1:28pm
Tical2.0 wrote:
this thread got really homo erotic very quick |
Kind of like your 16th birthday party.
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Posted By: Tical2.0
Date Posted: 11 June 2008 at 1:30pm
White o Light wrote:
Tical2.0 wrote:
this thread got really homo erotic very quick |
Kind of like your 14th birthday party. | Fixed/
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Posted By: -ProDigY-
Date Posted: 11 June 2008 at 1:33pm
Mark The Cobrasnake is like an indie god, and he's hairy as hell....
(-3 manpoints for being a jew)
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Posted By: ammolord
Date Posted: 11 June 2008 at 1:33pm
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Tical2.0 wrote:
White o Light wrote:
Tical2.0 wrote:
this thread got really homo erotic very quick |
Kind of like your 14th birthday party. | Fixed/ |
i loled
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Posted By: -ProDigY-
Date Posted: 11 June 2008 at 1:35pm
Hairy indie chicks are par for the course, too...
Kimya....

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Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 11 June 2008 at 1:36pm

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Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 11 June 2008 at 1:37pm
-ProDigY- wrote:
Hairy indie chicks are par for the course, too...
Kimya....
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Wow, is that what you call that?
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Posted By: -ProDigY-
Date Posted: 11 June 2008 at 1:38pm
Dude let's keep it butch...
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Posted By: Gator Taco
Date Posted: 11 June 2008 at 1:43pm
-ProDigY- wrote:
Hairy indie chicks are par for the course, too...
Kimya....
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That is the second most unattractive female I have ever seen.
This is the ugliest.

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