How to make a sniper
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Topic: How to make a sniper
Posted By: monogringo
Subject: How to make a sniper
Date Posted: 25 June 2008 at 3:27pm
I need help creating a sniper paintball gun. What things woud i need?
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Posted By: techietaichi
Date Posted: 25 June 2008 at 3:44pm
Run now......
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Posted By: paintball437085
Date Posted: 25 June 2008 at 3:53pm
a elphant gun and penuts
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Posted By: Snake6.
Date Posted: 25 June 2008 at 3:56pm
There is no such thing as a sniper in paintball.
Therefore your question is null and void.
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Posted By: Rambino
Date Posted: 25 June 2008 at 4:15pm
Welcome to the forum.
Ignore the trolls.
To help us answer the question, you have to be more specific. "Sniper" doesn't really tell us what you are looking for. Are you looking for increased range or accuracy, or a particular cosmetic look to the gun, or perhaps something else?
As you will have gathered from the early replies, some folks here get overly excited about the word "sniper". Pay them no heed, but ask more specific questions so that we can be of assistance.
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Posted By: monogringo
Date Posted: 25 June 2008 at 4:22pm
Rambino wrote:
Welcome to the forum.
Ignore the trolls.
To help us answer the question, you have to be more specific. "Sniper"
doesn't really tell us what you are looking for. Are you looking for
increased range or accuracy, or a particular cosmetic look to the gun, or
perhaps something else?
As you will have gathered from the early replies, some folks here get
overly excited about the word "sniper". Pay them no heed, but ask more
specific questions so that we can be of assistance. |
I want range and accuracy
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Posted By: slackerr26
Date Posted: 25 June 2008 at 4:35pm
what kind of gun do you have? whats your setup so far?
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Posted By: Rambino
Date Posted: 25 June 2008 at 4:36pm
Well, for added range there are really only two options: Apex and Flatline barrels. Both put backspin on the ball, which extends the total flight distance by a fair amount.
The accuracy at the added range, however, is reduced.
The better question to ask, perhaps, is about EFFECTIVE range. Most paintball guns lose accurace well short of their maximum range. You might want to focus in increasing the distance to which you can shoot fairly accurately.
For that, there are a host of things to consider. The most important is the barrel again, along with paint. A quality barrel shooting quality paint will add significant accuracy. Moving to a gun with fewer moving parts will help as well. A low-recoil electro is much easier to aim accurately than a high-recoil mechanical gun.
Then there are general consistency upgrades. HPA, regulators, and so forth.
It really depends on what you are starting with and how much money you have to spend.
I also recommend searching the focums for accuracy-related posts. You will find a host of information.
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Posted By: Snake6.
Date Posted: 25 June 2008 at 4:38pm
You cannot have both range and accuracy in paintball. You can have one or the other, but you cannot have accuracy at range.
If you want range, I would suggest getting a Flatline or Apex system. This iwll give you longer ranges but your shots will not be accurate at those longer ranges. These barrels are best used for long range surpession fire.
If you want accuracy I would go with a Lapco Bigshot barrel. They are very accuracte at normal ranges and are very cheap.
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Posted By: a_sock
Date Posted: 25 June 2008 at 8:41pm
Snake6. wrote:
There is no such thing as a sniper in paintball.
Therefore your question is null and void.
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i bet your all going to feel bad if hes talking about a cocker....
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Posted By: Lightningbolt
Date Posted: 25 June 2008 at 11:13pm
^willing to bet he's not
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 26 June 2008 at 1:57am
Becoming a Paintball Sniper: An Informative How-To!
Written by: Yours truely, DeTrevni
First off, to snipe in paintball, the first thing we're going to need is a long barrel! Why? Simple really. They look silly, most of the time do nothing but waste gas, and don't help accuracy at all. But they also limit mobility, and as a sniper, you want to be as still as possible so you don't make noise! So, you'll need a 21" barrel.
Secondly, you're going to need to blend in, so I'd recommend a ghillie suit! How come? Well, if you don't know, a ghillie suit is supposed to be a "three-dimensional" camoflauge system that is designed to match the specific surroundings a person is trying to take cover in. As such, you're going to want to go out and buy a set, which will cost a WHOLE lot of money, and only work in one specific place! What does this mean? Why, it means you can't move from the spot it matches, or you'll stick out like a sore thumb! Once again, snipers can't move or they'll be seen, so getting a ghillie suit will only help! Also, it makes people think you look silly, and since most believe you'll either try to cover the shots or won't feel it, you'll get a whole hopper dumped on you to be sure! This will give away their position, if by some miracle you aren't out. So go ahead, blend in!
Also, you are going to need a stock, scope and a bi-pod. What will they do? A stock will prevent you from being able to aim down the monstrous barrel of your sniper rifle because your mask will get in the way, so you're going to need waste more money buying an offset sight rail to mount that $200 scope you just bought! The scope will prevent you from seeing anyone around you, and only give you a cleaer view of what may be completely out of range, even with your awesome 21" barrel! The bi-pod will serve absolutely NO function what-so-ever, but darn if they don't look cool! Also, these accessories will weigh a ton, so you'll develop the strength needed to stay stable in a single spot for the length of the game!
For a hopper, well, simply don't use one! Those things are blimps! feed your paint one ball at a time, that way, you won't have this massive target, and you'll teach yourself control. Also, when you get flanked because that expensive ghillie doesn't actually work, you won't be able to fire back. But no worries, you'll be such a great sniper, you'll NEVER get flanked!
Now let's look at strategy. There are two kinds of snipers. The first is a stealthy person, finding thick cover that they think will prevent them from being shot. They'll get to that position, and they'll stay there, stealthily waiting for the enemy team to wander by. If you move, you'll be seen, so you'll have to stay put, thus rendering you completely useless for the rest of your team. But darn if you ain't stealthy!
The second kind of sniper is more adept. He can move around, and shoots people from a concealed position, just like the dictionary says snipers do. Wait a minute. That's what ALL paintballers do, you say? Why that's CRAZY TALK! Only the most effective paintball snipers can utilize cover and movement! Everyone else is yelling, waving flags above their heads and wearing bright targets! Duh!
In closing, I'd like to wish our new sniper the greatest of luck in this daunting, yet VERY important position!
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Posted By: Cypher5601
Date Posted: 26 June 2008 at 2:51am
Hey monogringo welcome to the forum. Dont listen to these sniper haters let me show you a real sniper paintballgun. This is my setup thats below.
To convert your gun to a sniper setup you need a few basic things. 1st- 14inch barrel : Max length for best performance 2nd- Stock- helps steady the gun while aiming also obtains the look. 3rd- PALMERS REGULATOR or any other high pressure reg if you use a tippmann: Regs help keep fps :feet per second consistent each shot providing better accuracy from shot to shot. This upgrade is essential. 4th- Red dot sight: These help alot when properly zerod in for first shot kills. Make sure u zero it in before every game.
Sniper extras: These extras i will list are not necessary for performance but may help with the obtaining the look of a sniper weapon.
Scope: I recommend if you get a scope to get a low power scope meaning max 4x zoom. This will allow you to use it similar to a reddot while also being able to scout. It also enhances the look.
Riser mount: you usually need a riser mount to put your red dot or scope on to see past the a-5 hopper. Get a weaver riser mount. That is the most common one for most sights. Make sure the sight fits a weaver mount also.
Bipod:these look great and also help when aiming in a prone position for long periods of time. Make sure u get one that swivels not the cheap ones that dont pan.
Foregrip: makes the gun look more rifle like and linear. Gives good placement for the palm when aiming instead of grabbing that little stub on the a-5
Supressor: This is just for looks but makes ur gun look bad A$$
You wont find many sniper lovers here its sadly been overunned by speedballers. I recommend you go to A5og.net. you will find alot more information for milsim tippmanns and pics of other players sniper guns there.
Thats about it. Have fun buddy and good luck with your sniper setup. All these parts listed can be found at www.specialopspaintball.com www.opsgear.com www.palmer-pursuit.com ---For regulator(Need high pressure for tippmans 800psi and up or u wont reach necessary fps.)

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Posted By: jordanpischke
Date Posted: 26 June 2008 at 3:03am
A real sniper uses an Airowgun.
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Posted By: a_sock
Date Posted: 26 June 2008 at 8:22am
now they have a 23" barrel. I want to put that on my phantom...
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Posted By: StormyKnight
Date Posted: 26 June 2008 at 8:51am
Cypher5601 wrote:
Hey monogringo welcome to the forum. Dont listen to these sniper haters let me show you a real sniper paintballgun. This is my setup thats below.
To convert your gun to a sniper setup you need a few basic things. 1st- 14inch barrel : Max length for best performance 2nd- Stock- helps steady the gun while aiming also obtains the look. 3rd- PALMERS REGULATOR or any other high pressure reg if you use a tippmann: Regs help keep fps :feet per second consistent each shot providing better accuracy from shot to shot. This upgrade is essential. 4th- Red dot sight: These help alot when properly zerod in for first shot kills. Make sure u zero it in before every game.
Sniper extras: These extras i will list are not necessary for performance but may help with the obtaining the look of a sniper weapon.
Scope: I recommend if you get a scope to get a low power scope meaning max 4x zoom. This will allow you to use it similar to a reddot while also being able to scout. It also enhances the look.
Riser mount: you usually need a riser mount to put your red dot or scope on to see past the a-5 hopper. Get a weaver riser mount. That is the most common one for most sights. Make sure the sight fits a weaver mount also.
Bipod:these look great and also help when aiming in a prone position for long periods of time. Make sure u get one that swivels not the cheap ones that dont pan.
Foregrip: makes the gun look more rifle like and linear. Gives good placement for the palm when aiming instead of grabbing that little stub on the a-5
Supressor: This is just for looks but makes ur gun look bad A$$
You wont find many sniper lovers here its sadly been overunned by speedballers. I recommend you go to A5og.net. you will find alot more information for milsim tippmanns and pics of other players sniper guns there.
Thats about it. Have fun buddy and good luck with your sniper setup. All these parts listed can be found at www.specialopspaintball.com www.opsgear.com www.palmer-pursuit.com ---For regulator(Need high pressure for tippmans 800psi and up or u wont reach necessary fps.)

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Hey look!! Its the zip-tie-ghetto-marker!!!
I'm no sniper-hater or speedballer. I play woodsball and own both the Flatline and Apex barrels. Neither one of them will make you a sniper and neither will making your marker look like a sniper rifle. There are no snipers in paintball. At least not until you can break a paintball on a paper plate from 300+ yards away.
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 26 June 2008 at 12:10pm
Monogringo.
Rambino probably gave you the best advice you will get here; decide
upon the type of performance you want from your marker and make
purchases/alterations that work toward that.
If you want a marker that is mil-simmed (mil-sim = military simulation)
to resemble a real weapon (in your case a sniper rifle) then purchase
the cosmetic add-ons that will make it happen.
If you want to be a paintball sniper, then you need to understand the
following: As some of the other forum members have subtly pointed out,
the majority of this forum does not believe in paintball snipers.
Rather than just say they don't exist and make fun of you for thinking
they do, or saying they do exist and insisting everyone else is wrong,
I will try to explain some of the thinking behind this opinion.
The first thing you have to do is consider the meaning of the word
"sniper." The dictionary definition that gets bandied about by the
pro-sniper crowd is normally something along the lines of "one who
shoots others from a concealed position." There are two problems with
using this to define snipers. First, it is way to broad; using this
definition every woodsball player on the planet who ever hid and
ambushed another player is a sniper. If everybody is doing this, it
kind of defeats the purpose of having a special term for it beyond
"playing paintball." Secondly, and more importantly, is the accepted
connotation of the word "sniper" in the context it is used. The
context we use the word in is woodsball, which is essentially a
wargame. In this context the connotation, or generally accepted
meaning, of "sniper" is the same as it is for the military in that it
involves additional skill and range capabilities. (The ability to take
out important enemy targets with single shots at ranges which render
the opposition unable to effectively respond to the "snipers"
actions.) This fails in paintball for several reasons: With the exception of scenario games there generally aren't any targets more important than others, paintballs are inherently inaccurate projectiles
which makes single shot eliminations unlikely at all but the closest
ranges, and all markers have essentially
the same range.
Cypher5601 wrote:
Hey monogringo welcome to the forum. Dont listen to these sniper haters . . .
I don't consider myself a "sniper-hater" so much as a "fact-corrector" and, given current paintball technology, sniping in paintball is generally not factually possible.
As long as I am correcting facts, I will continue to do so.
. . . let me show you a real sniper paintballgun. This is my setup thats below.
To convert your gun to a sniper setup you need a few basic things. 1st- 14inch barrel : Max length for best performance
Incorrect: There is no one barrel length that is optimized for best performance with all markers. The "optimum length" can vary significantly depending upon the type of valve in the marker and the "spike pressure" at which it operates. (This can also be affected by after-market additions/alterations to the marker.) The recommendation for Tippmann's for instance is actually a 6 to 10 inch barrel. (In Cypher's defense, the loss of efficiency from a 14 inch would probably not be that significant, especially with a stock valve.)
2nd- Stock- helps steady the gun while aiming also obtains the look.
Stocks can help steady the marker, but no more so than using the tank as a stock does. (For those who say tanks make poor stocks; they work fine once you put a buttplate on CO2 tanks or a non-slip cover on compressed air tanks.) The big advantage to stocks is that if you run remote, they allow you to get the tank off the bottom of the marker which enhances the ability to assume the prone position. I have to ask, what does "the look" have to do with anything? I would have thought that paintball sniping, if it existed, would be more about removing opponents from the field than how one looked doing it.
3rd- PALMERS REGULATOR or any other high pressure
reg if you use a tippmann: Regs help keep fps :feet per second
consistent each shot providing better accuracy from shot to shot.
Regs do help with consistency. However, unless you are running compressed air they can also cause problems as the Palmer's is one of few regs with the capability to handle CO2 well. (Recommending any high pressure reg without knowing the air source involved is not good advice.)
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upgrade is essential.
Not really; at the ranges where single shot eliminations are actually a probability (given the substandard nature of the projectiles we use) the fluctuations from CO2 are not generally sufficient to prevent inconsistent shots from still striking the target. (In other words, you have to be so close for your OSOK that consistency becomes irrelevant.
4th- Red dot sight: These help alot when properly zerod in for first shot kills.
I am a firm believer in red dot sights for precisely the reason mentioned above. If you are in a good ambush position it is very comforting to know for certain that at least one opponent is guaranteed to be leaving the field. However, I will add that the range the sight is zeroed in at is an important consideration. The arcing trajectory of paintballs fired from a standard barrel must be taken into account. The red dot user must decide it they want the dot sighted in at maximum range, minimum range, or somewhere in between. If the sight is set up for minimum range, then the dot must be put well above the target at the longest ranges. If it is set up for maximum range, then the opposite is true. Additionally, such sights should be used with both eyes open to prevent "tunnel-vision" from getting the user eliminated.
Make sure u zero it in before every game.
Why, once it's sighted in at a certain velocity, it's sighted in at that velocity. Additionally, the nature of the tools we use for this game mean that it will almost never be right on target anyway except at the closest ranges.
Sniper
extras: These extras i will list are not necessary for performance but
may help with the obtaining the look of a sniper weapon.
"The look" again, what is it with this "look"? The name of the game is getting eliminations. (Note: While I don't generally put cosmetic enhancements on my markers, how someone spends there own money is really their business.)
Scope:
I recommend if you get a scope to get a low power scope meaning max 4x
zoom.
I recommend against this; the red dot is far superior to scopes for paintball purposes.
This will allow you to use it similar to a reddot . . .
At any level of magnification, the scope must be used with only one eye open. This decreases awareness of surroundings by limiting field of vision and can lead to eliminations. Additionally, there is no reason to use a scope to engage targets as any target that is within paintball range is also within visual range given the limited range of the markers.
. . . while also
being able to scout.
This is the only valid use for scopes in paintball.
It also enhances the look.
Enough with "the look" already. Is this how to be a sniper or how to be a runway model?
Riser mount:
you usually need a riser mount to put your red dot or scope on to see
past the a-5 hopper.
Upon reviewing the original post, I see no mention of monogringo owning an A5. (Perhaps you meant, that you needed one of these.) Alternatively, an A5 user could get a offset hopper mount or an X7 hopper.
Get a weaver riser mount. That is the most common
one for most sights. Make sure the sight fits a weaver mount also.
Good advice on making sure the sight fits the sight rail. We've seen a lot of questions regarding this issue lately.
Bipod:these
look great and also help when aiming in a prone position for long
periods of time.
Translation: They take the weight of the marker off of your arms while camping in the "please shoot me in the back" position.
Make sure u get one that swivels not the cheap ones
that dont pan.
Good advice.
Foregrip: makes the gun look more rifle like and
linear.
Coming down the runway now, displaying the latest in linear looks from spec-ops . . . (sigh)
Gives good placement for the palm when aiming instead of
grabbing that little stub on the a-5
The "little stub" is superior to any horizontal foregrip as it allows the user to pull the marker back into their shoulder with minimal effort for additional stability. Additionally, there are numerous larger vertical grips available for the A5 for those who feel the stock one is too small.
Supressor: This is just for looks but makes ur gun look bad A$$
Because looking good = additional eliminations. /sarcasm
You wont find many sniper lovers here its sadly been overunned by speedballers.
Fail argument. Speedballers don't care enough about woodsball to argue this issue. The sniper question is being overran by experienced woodsball players who understand the difference between hype and reality.
I recommend you go to A5og.net. you will find alot more information for milsim tippmanns and pics of other players sniper guns there.
I recommend you go to spec-ops websight and read their definitions for "Ambush Sniper" and "Ghost Flanker." While doing so, keep in mind that ambushing and flanking are two very basic military tactics and ask yourself what differs these positions from any player who decides to ambush or flank. You will find that the only difference is the hype that is included to sell people equipment they don't really need.
Thats about it. Have fun buddy and good luck with your sniper setup. All these parts listed can be found at www.specialopspaintball.com www.opsgear.com www.palmer-pursuit.com ---For regulator(Need high pressure for tippmans 800psi and up or u wont reach necessary fps.)
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Posted By: Cypher5601
Date Posted: 26 June 2008 at 12:53pm
Your bias of the sniper is very evident in your analysis of my info. This guy wants to know how to make a his paintball marker like a sniper. So i put both performance and looks which most people would want a good balance of.... Your analysis was fine until you began putting in your opion about looks and the snipers role.
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 26 June 2008 at 1:58pm
Cypher5601 wrote:
Your bias of the sniper is very evident in your
analysis of my info. This guy wants to know how to make a his paintball
marker like a sniper. So i put both performance and looks which most
people would want a good balance of.... Your analysis was fine until
you began putting in your opion about looks and the snipers role.
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Actually, what he asked for, as indicated below, was a way to increase range and accuracy.
monogringo wrote:
Rambino wrote:
Are you looking for
increased range or accuracy, or a particular cosmetic look to the gun, or
perhaps something else? |
I want range and accuracy |
As I indicated in my post, the information you provided ranged from
accurate, to incomplete, to factually incorrect. The additional
information regarding looks was superfluous at best and in some cases
counterproductive. I also noted that cosmetic enhancements were essentially the business of the one who owns the marker. I chose to express my opinion on this matter through the use of a tool we call "sarcasm" to show how useless such items actually are. If this offended you, get over it. It's the internet and if this is the worst you ever get offended on the net you should count yourself lucky.
Additionally, I have noted several posts you've made regarding the existence of paintball snipers and that several forum members have responded with facts and logic as to why they don't exist. I have yet to see you support your position with more than the statement that they exist "because I say so" and the fact that some companies use the term "sniper" to sell equipment. If you do decide to do so, perhaps you should start with an explanation of what you consider a paintball sniper to be.
Edited Note: The "attitude" you mention is most likely due to the fact that you used the term "the look" so many times in your post that I now have the song "She's Got the Look" by Roxette stuck in my head. (Darn you to heck anyway for that.)
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Posted By: StormyKnight
Date Posted: 27 June 2008 at 3:35am
Cypher5601 wrote:
Your bias of the sniper is very evident in your analysis of my info. |
Not any more biased than your support for paintball snipers.
So i put both performance and looks which most people would want a good balance of |
You put down looks. Just looks. There was nothing in your setup that would allow you to snipe with your marker.
.... Your analysis was fine until you began putting in your opion about looks and the snipers role. |
What? And everything you mentioned in your ever-so-helpful post was true and factual? No opinion whatsoever?
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 27 June 2008 at 3:38am
Cypher's posts up until now have been borderline "street" talk. Now he's trying to use large words to make it sound like he's got an argument...
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Posted By: kurieitaa
Date Posted: 27 June 2008 at 5:19am
jordanpischke wrote:
A real sniper uses an Airowgun. |
tho's Airowguns are sweet, i seen a couple in action and wow. too bad i dident get a chance to use one tho :(
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Posted By: Cypher5601
Date Posted: 27 June 2008 at 12:11pm
DeTrevni wrote:
Cypher's posts up until now have been borderline "street" talk. Now he's trying to use large words to make it sound like he's got an argument... |
Whatever makes you feel better buddy but im right:) and if you dont like it too bad 
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 27 June 2008 at 1:06pm
Cypher5601 wrote:
DeTrevni wrote:
Cypher's posts up until now have been borderline "street" talk. Now he's trying to use large words to make it sound like he's got an argument... |
Whatever makes you feel better buddy but im right:) and if you dont like it too bad 
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. . . and we're all still waiting breathlessly for you to explain why you are right . . . other than just because you say so.
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Posted By: Cypher5601
Date Posted: 27 June 2008 at 1:25pm
I dont want to explain myself to you because even if i prove myself your ignorance will still refuse to accept it. So no i will not explain myself. And i have better things to do than to write 3 paragraphs proving why im right. I just am and thats it. Accept it or not i really dont care.
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Posted By: Snake6.
Date Posted: 27 June 2008 at 3:21pm
Cypher5601 wrote:
I dont want to explain myself to you because even if i prove myself your ignorance will still refuse to accept it. So no i will not explain myself. And i have better things to do than to write 3 paragraphs proving why im right. I just am and thats it. Accept it or not i really dont care. |
Ah, the good old "because I said so" argument.
I can play this game!
Guess what guys: I am a certified Brain Surgeon! Come to me for all your crainial related problems! How did I get certifed? Because I said so. Shove it.
Until you provide us with some refutable proof that you can snipe in paintball, go back to specops. There at least, facts, reasoning skills, and logic don't count for anything.
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Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 27 June 2008 at 3:44pm
Cypher5601 wrote:
I dont want to explain myself to you because even if i prove myself your ignorance will still refuse to accept it. So no i will not explain myself. And i have better things to do than to write 3 paragraphs proving why im right. I just am and thats it. Accept it or not i really dont care.
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My 12 year old niece does the same thing.
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Posted By: Cypher5601
Date Posted: 27 June 2008 at 4:26pm
You want answers! "I want the truth" You cant handle the truth!
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Posted By: ammolord
Date Posted: 27 June 2008 at 4:28pm
Snake6. wrote:
Cypher5601 wrote:
I dont want to explain myself to you because even if i prove myself your ignorance will still refuse to accept it. So no i will not explain myself. And i have better things to do than to write 3 paragraphs proving why im right. I just am and thats it. Accept it or not i really dont care. |
Ah, the good old "because I said so" argument.
I can play this game!
Guess what guys: I am a certified Brain Surgeon! Come to me for all your crainial related problems! How did I get certifed? Because I said so. Shove it.
Until you provide us with some refutable proof that you can snipe in paintball, go back to specops. There at least, facts, reasoning skills, and logic don't count for anything. | well said snake
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 27 June 2008 at 6:59pm
Cypher5601 wrote:
I dont want to explain myself to you because even if
i prove myself your ignorance will still refuse to accept it. So no i
will not explain myself. And i have better things to do than to write 3
paragraphs proving why im right. I just am and thats it. Accept it or
not i really dont care.
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Translation:
I refuse to explain my reasoning because it has no
foundation in facts and logic. I am hoping that throwing wild
accusations and blame at others will distract from this fact. I will
now pretend to have no interest in the outcome of this debate despite
the fact that I continue to post in it.
Alternate Translation:

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Posted By: Cypher5601
Date Posted: 27 June 2008 at 8:14pm
LMAO you actually took the time to make that for this thread wow! What a loser!
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Posted By: Nagash1959
Date Posted: 27 June 2008 at 8:23pm
Cypher5601 wrote:
LMAO you actually took the time to make that for this thread wow! What a loser! |
Doubtfull. This conversation has been around so long that he probably has it saved to is photo abulm just for occassions like this...never mind that it would take someone who had that photo about 11 seconds to make it in photoshop, so if you consider having 11 free seconds of time then i guess, by your own definition you are too, as it has now taken you 11 seconds to read this post. 
I will say this. Many people argue that a sniper uses accuracy to fire from beyond the range of return fire (or some such wording). What then is the situation when another person armed with a sniper rifle fires back? Are neither one considered snipers then? --Minds blown yet?--
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Posted By: Cypher5601
Date Posted: 27 June 2008 at 8:52pm
Nagash1959 wrote:
Cypher5601 wrote:
LMAO you actually took the time to make that for this thread wow! What a loser! |
Doubtfull. This conversation has been around so long that he probably has it saved to is photo abulm just for occassions like this...never mind that it would take someone who had that photo about 11 seconds to make it in photoshop, so if you consider having 11 free seconds of time then i guess, by your own definition you are too, as it has now taken you 11 seconds to read this post. 
I will say this. Many people argue that a sniper uses accuracy to fire from beyond the range of return fire (or some such wording). What then is the situation when another person armed with a sniper rifle fires back? Are neither one considered snipers then? --Minds blown yet?-- |
Pssh mind blown are u kidding me. That situation is actually called "counter sniping". Read a little and you learn things.
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Posted By: Ace_Of_Spades
Date Posted: 27 June 2008 at 9:04pm
Cypher5601 wrote:
Pssh mind blown are u kidding me. That situation is actually called "counter sniping". Read a little and you learn things.
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just get off the damn forums, all you do is talk down, talk trash, and when all else fails, try to talk "smart" which nobody buys, learn some respect and maybe a fewhundred posts down the road, you'll get respect from us again
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Posted By: Cypher5601
Date Posted: 27 June 2008 at 9:09pm
lmao the last thing i want from you is respect. Who are you again?
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Posted By: Nagash1959
Date Posted: 27 June 2008 at 9:13pm
Cypher5601 wrote:
Pssh mind blown are u kidding me. That situation is actually called "counter sniping". Read a little and you learn things.
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Wow, totally not what I was talking about. I was refering to people playing paintball, and how in paintball everyone has the same effective range, thus even if someone was sniping by hidding in the bushes like a coward, everyone would still be in range to fire back. SO if you go by the "snipers have further range" arguement that denies snipers that makes little sense when a second sniper is involved.
This was not to be taken as a direct question as to what real snipers do when a second sniper shows up. Any idiot knows to get rid of a sniper you get a sniper, or bomb the area flat with mortars.
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Posted By: Ace_Of_Spades
Date Posted: 27 June 2008 at 9:14pm
stupid computer double post
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Posted By: Ace_Of_Spades
Date Posted: 27 June 2008 at 9:17pm
Cypher5601 wrote:
LMAO you actually took the time to make that for this thread wow! What a loser! |
you take the time to call people you dont even know losers? wow what a loser
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Posted By: Cypher5601
Date Posted: 27 June 2008 at 9:18pm
Nagash1959 wrote:
Cypher5601 wrote:
Pssh mind blown are u kidding me. That situation is actually called "counter sniping". Read a little and you learn things.
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Wow, totally not what I was talking about. I was refering to people playing paintball, and how in paintball everyone has the same effective range, thus even if someone was sniping by hidding in the bushes like a coward, everyone would still be in range to fire back. SO if you go by the "snipers have further range" arguement that denies snipers that makes little sense when a second sniper is involved.
This was not to be taken as a direct question as to what real snipers do when a second sniper shows up. Any idiot knows to get rid of a sniper you get a sniper, or bomb the area flat with mortars. |
Paintball snipers dont have increased range im not using that argument. It is there style of play and markmanship that makes them a sniper. Hence if 2 individuals with these qualities encounter each other hence counter sniping.
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Posted By: Nagash1959
Date Posted: 27 June 2008 at 9:26pm
I wasn't using the range arguement, I was pointing out a flaw in it.
The "style of play" point of view is just silly of course, because everyone who plays paintball takes cover. Only people who play bad take cover away from the game waiting for people to walk in front of you.
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Posted By: Cypher5601
Date Posted: 27 June 2008 at 9:28pm
sigh... Its amazing how fast opinion and bias can kill a decent analysis
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Posted By: Nagash1959
Date Posted: 27 June 2008 at 9:35pm
...You work for FOX News don't you?
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Posted By: ThatGuitarGuy
Date Posted: 27 June 2008 at 9:52pm
If you're going to argue that there are paintball snipers, then I'm going to argue that there's paintball SWAT teams, and paintball demolitions squads, and maybe even paintball medics.
And just out of curiosity, what part does a fake suppressor play in a "sniper" marker?
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Posted By: Ace_Of_Spades
Date Posted: 27 June 2008 at 10:27pm
guess its past cyphers bedtime, im sure we'll all be expecting i nice loving post from him in the morning
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Posted By: ThatGuitarGuy
Date Posted: 27 June 2008 at 10:28pm
Nah, he's probably on Call of Duty 4 doing some "sniping" That's where all the kids are at this hour.
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Posted By: Ace_Of_Spades
Date Posted: 27 June 2008 at 10:33pm
hey hey COD4 is fun for all ages lol, which brings up a great point about paintball "snipers" in COD4 you can get a ghillie by just having your primary be a sniperrifle, however if you use your secondary weapon (in this case a P90) as your primary then your really just a mo-betta cammoed foot soldier
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Posted By: ThatGuitarGuy
Date Posted: 27 June 2008 at 10:39pm
I didn't say anything about CoD being not fun. I play it occasionally, I just said there tends to be a bunch of kids on there running around with sniper rifles screaming that they just no-scoped someone in the head.
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Posted By: Ace_Of_Spades
Date Posted: 27 June 2008 at 10:42pm
i hate those kids, whoopdy do boi, try it w/ a shotgun at 20 yards and i'll be impressed
edit: from the hip
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Posted By: Nagash1959
Date Posted: 27 June 2008 at 10:45pm
Lol. I got to a point in MGS3 that I could triple land head shots with the M1911 from across the field. I could drop the guys before they got a chance to notice and radio for back-up. That was probably what led me to realize I had been playing that game too much...that and The Sorrow's scene taking about an hour to get through.
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Posted By: Ace_Of_Spades
Date Posted: 27 June 2008 at 10:50pm
.............MGS4..........
drooooool
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Posted By: Nagash1959
Date Posted: 27 June 2008 at 11:15pm
I can't wait till I can play it...stupid lack of money to buy an over-priced system...
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Posted By: Ace_Of_Spades
Date Posted: 27 June 2008 at 11:18pm
ditto, dam you overpriced machines...dam you, oh well im sure i can s wing buy my local gamestop and play it for a few hours
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Posted By: Nagash1959
Date Posted: 27 June 2008 at 11:33pm
"Sir, it's closing time. Your going to hae t put the controller down now..."
"Take it from me!! Try it!!"
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Posted By: Ace_Of_Spades
Date Posted: 27 June 2008 at 11:42pm
just try and take it

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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 28 June 2008 at 1:02am
Cypher5601 wrote:
sigh... Its amazing how fast opinion and bias can kill a decent analysis
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What decent analysis?
Could it be this one perhaps.
Cypher5601 wrote:
. . . no i will not explain myself. And i have better
things to do than to write 3 paragraphs proving why im right. I just am
and thats it. |
Nope, no analysis there. Just a childish insistence on being right "because."
I know, how about this?
Cypher5601 wrote:
You want answers!
"I want the truth"
You cant handle the truth!
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No, no analysis; just a marginally applicable movie quote.
Okay then, maybe this is the post you were referring to.
Cypher5601 wrote:
LMAO you actually took the time to make that for this thread wow! What a loser!
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Probably not. I'm fairly certain name calling doesn't fit the definition of "decent analysis."
Hmmm, let's check out this post for "decent analysis" type content.
Cypher5601 wrote:
Paintball snipers dont have increased range im not
using that argument. It is there style of play and markmanship that
makes them a sniper. Hence if 2 individuals with these qualities
encounter each other hence counter sniping. |
Well, it contains an assertion referring to a "certain style of play
and marksmanship," but it does not explain the meaning of those terms
or provide any explanation or analysis related to/supporting the
assertion.
Sorry, just not finding the previously mentioned "analysis" that supports the belief in paintball snipers.
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Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 28 June 2008 at 2:54am
Ah, the Tippmann forum. EXACTLY how I remember it.
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 28 June 2008 at 2:57am
Hey, you're STILL not dead! :D
Oh, successfull troll is successfull...
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Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 28 June 2008 at 12:59pm
DeTrevni wrote:
Hey, you're STILL not dead! :D |
Not yet, baby.
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 28 June 2008 at 2:38pm
Oh oh. DeTrevni's seeing dead forumers again.
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Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 28 June 2008 at 2:49pm
ThatGuitarGuy wrote:
If you're going to argue that there are paintball snipers, then I'm going to argue that there's paintball SWAT teams, and paintball demolitions squads, and maybe even paintball medics.
And just out of curiosity, what part does a fake suppressor play in a "sniper" marker?
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I want paintball Close Air Support!
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Posted By: Nagash1959
Date Posted: 28 June 2008 at 3:46pm
Paintball Off-shore artillary Support. With GPS guided paint-rockets.
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Posted By: StormyKnight
Date Posted: 28 June 2008 at 4:14pm
Cypher5601 wrote:
I dont want to explain myself to you because even if i prove myself your ignorance will still refuse to accept it. So no i will not explain myself. And i have better things to do than to write 3 paragraphs proving why im right. I just am and thats it. Accept it or not i really dont care. |
Translation: I'm 15 years old and lack the intellectual capacity to intelligently debate my position. And if you don't quit picking on me, I'm telling my mommy!
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Posted By: StormyKnight
Date Posted: 28 June 2008 at 4:18pm
Cypher5601 wrote:
LMAO you actually took the time to make that for this thread wow! What a loser! |
Pot calling kettle black. Mack and a few others here have forgotten more about paintball than you'll ever learn. The fact you won't (or can't) back up your statements only shows your ignorance.
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Posted By: StormyKnight
Date Posted: 28 June 2008 at 4:21pm
Cypher5601 wrote:
Paintball snipers dont have increased range im not using that argument. It is there style of play and markmanship that makes them a sniper. Hence if 2 individuals with these qualities encounter each other hence counter sniping.
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So, using your logic, everybody is a paintball sniper. LMFAO!!!!
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Posted By: StormyKnight
Date Posted: 28 June 2008 at 4:25pm
Cypher5601 wrote:
sigh... Its amazing how fast opinion and bias can kill a decent analysis |
LOL Analysis? What analysis? "I'm right and I'm not going to explain why I'm right." is an analysis? Please, get real. Put up or shut up.
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Posted By: ThatGuitarGuy
Date Posted: 28 June 2008 at 7:09pm
Snake6 wrote:
ThatGuitarGuy wrote:
If you're going to argue that there are paintball snipers, then I'm going to argue that there's paintball SWAT teams, and paintball demolitions squads, and maybe even paintball medics.
And just out of curiosity, what part does a fake suppressor play in a "sniper" marker?
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I want paintball Close Air Support!
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Well then we'll just put a few people from your squad up in the trees with some Quadzilla markers, and we'll call them paintball CAS, and they could throw buckets of paint down on the enemy team, and that could be carpet bombing.
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Posted By: Ghillie Monk
Date Posted: 28 June 2008 at 8:30pm
Okay people this is from the dictionary. Sniper, one who shoots an enemy from a long distance OR A CONCEALED POSITION!
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 28 June 2008 at 10:31pm
Ghillie Monk wrote:
Okay people this is from the dictionary. Sniper, one who shoots an enemy from a long distance OR A CONCEALED POSITION! |
Ooooh! It's from a dictionary. Therein lies the problem. It is a generic layman's definition from a scholastic work. Since woodsball is essentially a wargame perhaps a more appropriate definition would be one from a military source. A more fitting definition would come from the same place that we derive much of our tactics and basic strategies (such as flanking, ambushing, cover and concealment) from.
Army Field Manual 23-10 wrote:
Introduction
The sniper has special abilities, training and equipment. His job is
to deliver discriminatory highly accurate rifle fire against enemy
targets, which cannot be engaged successfully by the rifleman because
of range, size, location, fleeting nature, or visibility. Sniping
requires the development of basic infantry skills to a high degree of
perfection. A sniper's training incorporates a wide variety of subjects
designed to increase his value as a force multiplier and to ensure his
survival on the battlefield. The art of sniping requires learning and
repetitiously practicing these skills until mastered. A sniper must be
highly trained in long-range rifle marksmanship and field craft skills
to ensure maximum effective engagements with minimum risk. |
A short perusal of this shows several basic reasons why most experienced woodsball player's find the idea of paintball snipers to be so amusing:
- Legally chronographed paintball markers all have essentially the same performance. Yes, electro-pneumatics have a higher rate of fire than mechanical markers, but realistically this is an issue that relates more to the individual player's budget that it does to the existence of any special equipment
- There are no markers that allow the so-called "paintball sniper" to deliver highly accurate fire against targets which can't be engaged successfully by other players. While the Flatline and Apex both provide extra range the inherent inaccuracy of the projectile means that target engagement at the additional range is a matter of accuracy by volume relegating these barrels to effective usage against area rather than point targets.
- While there are some very tactically effective paintball players on the field who are capable of engaging and causing maximum damage with minimum risk, they are still limited by the technology they employ. Additionally, putting on a ghillie-suit, hiding in a bush and waiting for targets of opportunity has very little to do with mastering skills through repetition and practice or developing basic skills to a high degree of perfection.
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Date Posted: 29 June 2008 at 1:12am

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Posted By: Cypher5601
Date Posted: 29 June 2008 at 10:28am
LMFAO Stormy is so mad god i love it! Give me more!
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Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 29 June 2008 at 10:55am
Cypher5601 wrote:
LMFAO Stormy is so mad god i love it! Give me more!
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LOL
Troll. Mods Contacted.
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