So I was driving home...
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Topic: So I was driving home...
Posted By: Rambino
Subject: So I was driving home...
Date Posted: 30 June 2008 at 11:31am
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On my way home from an outstanding game of paintball on Saturday, feeling all up-beat for having played well, and generally in a good mood. Then, as I pass through a small town, I see a fallen soldier memorial on the front lawn of a small house. Brought tears to my eyes, and ruined my day. Sometimes the world sucks. ------------- [IMG]http://i38.tinypic.com/aag8s8.jpg"> |
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Posted By: Nagash1959
Date Posted: 30 June 2008 at 11:34am
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Stop, get out of the car, and salute the monument. I've got friends that do that, having lost one of their own pals. If the people are home and see that, they are usually grateful (one lady went bezerk on the guys, thinking they were mocking her or something...grief does odd things to people) ------------- 98 Custom Cyclone Double E-Trigger Polished Internals Freak kit X-chamber CP Drop w/On/Off |
Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 30 June 2008 at 11:35am
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RIP. Atleast he is being honored for defending this country. ------------- 
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Posted By: xXK1CK1NVV1NGXx
Date Posted: 30 June 2008 at 11:37am
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Even threads like this make me feel bad for the soldier and his family.
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Posted By: X-51
Date Posted: 30 June 2008 at 2:05pm
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Where were you playing? I passed one too after playing saturday at hell's survivors in Mich. ------------- Once we clued in on the fact that life is finite, the thought of losing it didn't scare us anymore. The end comes no matter what, all that matters is how you wanna go out, on your feet or your knees? |
Posted By: Hairball!!!
Date Posted: 30 June 2008 at 2:10pm
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As sad as it is that someone had to die, at least it shows that there is some
apprecation for their sacrifice. Sometimes you see, hear, or read something that's sobering no matter what kind of mood you're in |
Posted By: .636
Date Posted: 30 June 2008 at 2:13pm
-Facepalm- Tell me what being in Iraq has to do with defending your country. ------------- |
Da Hui wrote:Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 30 June 2008 at 2:23pm
Your such a **edited**stick. You couldn't resist an opportunity to come off as a tool yet again could you? -------------
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Posted By: X-51
Date Posted: 30 June 2008 at 2:23pm
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-Facepalm part two- It's a soldier memorial, he didn't clarify wether or not the soldier died in Iraq, you jumped to a conclusion. Also, and this is not my position on the war I'm just stating, I'm sick and tired of effing idiots going off about the iraqi war becuase it's the cool thing to do. Not saying that I support the war, not saying that I don't support the war. I A. don't care for people to know where I stand and B. feel that it is our duty to fully understand what's occuring before we make up our minds about situations. If you don't know what's going on keep your trap shut. ------------- Once we clued in on the fact that life is finite, the thought of losing it didn't scare us anymore. The end comes no matter what, all that matters is how you wanna go out, on your feet or your knees? |
Posted By: Heres To You
Date Posted: 30 June 2008 at 2:26pm
I'm glad somebody else noticed that. We've had over 5 people from my squadron die since getting back from iraq because of motorcycle accidents, suicides etc... And do you ever think that some people don't want to fight in Iraq either, but they're in a contract doing a job that people like 636 won't or can't to the point that they don't have a choice? ------------- |
Posted By: Rambino
Date Posted: 30 June 2008 at 2:49pm
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I was at SPLAT Camp in Whitewater, WI. This was close to Eagle, WI. And I certainly don't think the specifics (or existence) of any given war is particularly relevant here. All I saw was tragedy - parents outliving their children, perhaps widow/orphans to go along with it. Politics neither makes that better or worse. ------------- [IMG]http://i38.tinypic.com/aag8s8.jpg"> |
Posted By: X-51
Date Posted: 30 June 2008 at 2:59pm
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For sure, pretty much what I thought too. ------------- Once we clued in on the fact that life is finite, the thought of losing it didn't scare us anymore. The end comes no matter what, all that matters is how you wanna go out, on your feet or your knees? |
Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 30 June 2008 at 4:02pm
While I agree, why would you bring it into this thread? Anyway, I feel sorry for anyone who dies. It's alot worse when people die before their parents. I just hope he wasn't doing anything stupid that got him killed. ------------- Que pasa? 
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Posted By: notXXscared
Date Posted: 30 June 2008 at 5:24pm
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That sucks, I hate seeing stuff like that. Even when your driving and sometimes you see a cross w/ flowers on it on the side of the road where someone wrecked, I hate seeing that kind of thing.
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Posted By: .357 Magnum
Date Posted: 30 June 2008 at 5:26pm
Are you kidding me ? ------------- 
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Posted By: Ace_Of_Spades
Date Posted: 30 June 2008 at 6:08pm
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lets persecute a dead soldier shall we? i'd like to see you say that to that soldiers wife and kids ------------- 
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Posted By: WGP guy2
Date Posted: 30 June 2008 at 6:12pm
I'd like to see him say that to the soldiers buddies. RIP |
Posted By: White o Light
Date Posted: 30 June 2008 at 6:19pm
I mean... invasion does not equal defense. Its common sense. Dead or not he was an invader. ------------- 
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Posted By: Ace_Of_Spades
Date Posted: 30 June 2008 at 6:22pm
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they shoot we shoot back, and until they stop shooting at us we wont leave...that is until Bush is gone -------------
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Posted By: mod98commando
Date Posted: 30 June 2008 at 7:48pm
Wow, the people on this forum never cease to amaze me. The original thread was about appreciation for the sacrifices made by our armed forces and some  just had to go ahead and jump at the chance to sound like a revolutionary thinker with the "we shouldn't be in Iraq" argument. Whether you're right or not, you're being unbelievably disrespectful and you should really shut up. The soldiers don't pick the battles, they fight them. When they die, you show them respect. If you disagree with the reasons behind the fight, be mad at the politicians who put them there but don't you dare say they didn't die defending us. If you want to debate the war and whether or not it's justified, start a new thread.
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Posted By: Ilford Rule
Date Posted: 30 June 2008 at 7:56pm
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Explain to me the sacrifice. This is a tragedy. He sacrificed nothing. He lost everything. This reminds me of soldiers saying they hate being called heroes, that they were doing their job. This is by all means tragic, and nothing but sympathy goes to those left behind. But 1) He was not defending his country. He was fighting a war. War is ugly. Always. 2) He did not make any sacrifice. His life was taken (presumably). Not given. ------------- CPro (w/ polished internals) 14" Bigshot BT SBS Various Rails NcSTAR D4B Macro AA 68/45 
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Posted By: AfricanAmerican
Date Posted: 30 June 2008 at 8:32pm
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/popcorn
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Posted By: xteam
Date Posted: 30 June 2008 at 8:42pm
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Posted By: Heres To You
Date Posted: 30 June 2008 at 9:43pm
Sacrificed nothing? Seeing your family once year, working overtime damn near daily with no extra pay, knowing your getting deployed at least once every two years, waking up and finishing PT before most people have even crawled out of bed... But I guess your right, he probably wasn't sacrificing much. White O Light - What if he didn't even want to be there? It's not like you can just say no. Alot of people made long long enlistments, and are forced with the outcome. He wasn't asking for your approval of respect, but I don't think he thought his decision to serve his country would make people discredit his death either. ------------- |
Posted By: Ace_Of_Spades
Date Posted: 30 June 2008 at 9:57pm
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your right! he was defending the world, i dont understand why you think he wasted his life, he was defending what HE believed was the right thing, if your gunna America would be such a panzy country if it was full of -------------
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like you, unfortuantely already half of america seems to be that way with the war that is going on at least 50% of it knows when they need to man upPosted By: Ilford Rule
Date Posted: 30 June 2008 at 10:50pm
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Heres to You: I didn't say service is no sacrifice. I said his death wasn't. He didn't make any sacrifice in dying. Like I said, his life was taken from him (probably). He didn't give it up. Ace of Spades: Where to start... defending the world? You seriously need to think about things before you say them. Now, at what point did I say he wasted his life? And are you trying to imply that a country that avoids war is a country full of "panzys"? That wanting to avoid death of those in the forces is a cowards decision? Face it. War. Sucks. Hard. I don't mean to disrespect those dead. I simply mean to say that many did, in some way, die for nothing. That's not a reflection on them. It is very courageous of them to stand up for what they believe, which is often to serve their country. I have nothing but respect for them in that regard. It's a reflection on the leadership that put them in the position it did. The world is a terrible place. Get used to it. People die for nothing all the time. Most people's deaths don't save buses full of mothers and children. Watch less movies mate. EDIT: I just noticed the "man up" bit ending your post. Does fighting a war you believe is wrong, and being forced to kill those you would prefer not die make you a man? I am in no way suggesting soldiers not defend themselves. What I am saying is that it is not manly or brave to force yourself into that situation. For those who support the war, step right up. Luck be with you. But saying that disagreeing with a war (particularly this one) is a cowardly thing to do is naive and ignorant. ------------- CPro (w/ polished internals) 14" Bigshot BT SBS Various Rails NcSTAR D4B Macro AA 68/45
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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 30 June 2008 at 11:52pm
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You can disagree with the war all you want, it's your right to do so, but never disrespect those that die for their country. ------------- 
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Posted By: Ilford Rule
Date Posted: 30 June 2008 at 11:59pm
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At what point did I? I thought I had made it clear that for the man himself, I harbour a deep respect and that condolences and sympathy go to his family. I guess I need to be clearer for some people... ------------- CPro (w/ polished internals) 14" Bigshot BT SBS Various Rails NcSTAR D4B Macro AA 68/45
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Posted By: DaveEllis
Date Posted: 01 July 2008 at 12:33am
| Was it the Ira Glass roadside memorial? |
Posted By: White o Light
Date Posted: 01 July 2008 at 12:41am
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brb defending the world -------------
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Posted By: Pate
Date Posted: 01 July 2008 at 3:21am
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I like how you guys come in here and rip this thread apart about bull**edited** politics. You dont argue about it enough in the daily political threads that are posted? Awesome job. Back on topic, I hated seeing those before my bestfriend got deployed. He is in Texas for 3 months then goin over. Im going to hate seeing them when I know he is overseas. ------------- 
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Posted By: White o Light
Date Posted: 01 July 2008 at 4:11am
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Dude, I'm just defending the world. -------------
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Posted By: mod98commando
Date Posted: 01 July 2008 at 6:21am
I almost don't know where to begin here. Either you're just looking to get a reaction out of people or you are an absolute idiot. Anybody that's been on the forums for a while can probably tell you that I don't attack people and rarely even go as far as insulting people but that post was so ignorant I almost can't even respond to your ridiculous points. A man enlists with the knowledge that he might have to die while performing his duty, that is his sacrifice. For this reason, when a military man/woman dies, you show respect. I don't care if he was scratching his crotch at the moment he was killed, just the fact that he took the job deserves at least a little respect. The fact that you're going to argue stupid technicalities like "his life was taken, not given" is unbelievable. If you don't give a crap for whatever reason, fine. But if that's the case then just keep your opinion to yourself because to some people, it means a lot. ------------- oreomann33: Everybody invades Poland Rofl_Mao: And everyone eats turkey Me: But only if they're hungary Mack: Yeah but hungary people go russian through their food and end up with greece on everyth |
Posted By: Rambino
Date Posted: 01 July 2008 at 8:46am
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Nope. Just a flag and a plaque that somebody had put in their front yard. Very homemade and very personal. ------------- [IMG]http://i38.tinypic.com/aag8s8.jpg"> |
Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 01 July 2008 at 9:25am
| About a year ago a local soldier I went to high school with was killed in a helicopter crash in Iraq. At 21 he left a widow and baby. I'd had a few classes with his wife, seeing her at the wake was about he saddest thing I've seen. |
Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 01 July 2008 at 9:32am
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Wow... I am going to walk away from this one. ------------- 
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Posted By: Robotech
Date Posted: 01 July 2008 at 12:52pm
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No soldier dies for nothing. If you believe that, you may miss what those same soldiers fight for. The don't fight for a "cause". They don't fight for "mother and country" or baseball and apple pie. They don't fight for right or wrong. They don't fight because of religeous convictions or for personal recognition and glory. They don't fight for a president or a congressman or a senetor. They don't fight because they enjoy it or because it's "fun". They fight for the guy standing next to them on that line. They fight because they want to go home. They fight because they want their buddies to go home with the same number of holes in him that he left with. They fight because the worst thing they could ever do in their life is let the guy next to them down. They fight because they wouldn't be able to show their faces if they layed down and hid while thier friends, men that were counting on them to do their duty, stood up and picked up their slack. That's how men and women who don't want to be there, who don't want to die in a foriegn land, get up every morning to face a most uncertain future. Maybe because you don't agree with the policies that place them in harm's way or you feel that what they are doing over there has no value, no impact on whatever the outcome may be but don't sit in your comfy little life and tell them they died for nothing. If nothing else, they died in the hopes that they did everything they could do to try to get them and their friends home safely. If you have any understanding of soldiers you'll know there is no greater thing worth fighting for than that. ------------- New to the sport? http://www.b17queenofthesky.com/paintball/index.html"> 
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Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 01 July 2008 at 3:47pm
That was very well said. ------------- Innocence proves nothing FUAC!!!!! |
Posted By: Ilford Rule
Date Posted: 02 July 2008 at 1:19am
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This is the last post I will make on the topic. And I want to clear a few things up with it. These 3 are important notes for what will follow: 1) At no point have I intended any disrespect to those who serve, and especially those who die. 2) When I say "in some way", I bloody well mean it. That means in some way. Not every way. Learn the difference. 3) When I say that a soldiers death is not always sacrifice, I mean their death is not a sacrifice. Service is. And I'm sure they know that death may be part of it. They make a huge sacrifice. I can't argue that. But the death of a soldier is not "the ultimate sacrifice". The key to this is that I bring it up not as a technicality, but as a point of respect. I don't mean they've done nothing. I don't mean they've wasted their lives. I believe that they deserve the respect of acknowledging their deaths were unnecesary. They deserve the respect that comes with accepting their deaths as something that could have been avoided. That is what I mean. Not that they are worthless. This kind of respect, the kind I am talking about, to me is more important than calling their death a sacrifice and ignoring the importance of ending this. Accountability for what happened before can help avoid the same mistake in the future. This soldier (assuming he died in combat/related) did not need to die. To pretend he did I see as more disrespectful than anything I can imagine you people think I mean. You people need to learn to read what I say and actually think about it for a minute. I accept any blame for not being clear in what I mean. But please don't jump to the conclusion that anything I mean is meant as an insult. My general opinion in this thread has been that the death of these soldiers is made all the more tragic by the fact that it is most often unnecesarry. That doesn't mean they are any less for it. Robotech, I've met and spoken to many soldiers (and may end up a med tech in the not too distant future), and in some ways I agree with you. But your talking about why they fight. Not why they are put in such a position as to. My point is that they were sent in, and put in that position needlessly. That is what I see as adding to the tragedy. I believe they deserve immense respect for sticking with it, for each other, for themselves, or for whatever reason. But to me it is that their deaths need to be thought of more seriously, and given more respect, than the lable of a sacrifice. That word has lost most of its meaning in this society. Whenever a soldier dies in the line it is immediately called a sacrifice, and for the most part no one remembers the soldier except their family and friends. Most people simply remember the statistic. The fallen soldier deserves more. They deserve that we question why it had to happen. And not the immediate cause (defense of themselves, their buddy on the lines, etc.). The series of causes. And the accountability must be there. That is what I mean to say. And that is why I am so insulted by what people think I mean. I hope that this has helped explain my belief. If this hasn't been clear enough, then I guess I am not capable of being so. Reply if you want. But don't expect me to. ------------- CPro (w/ polished internals) 14" Bigshot BT SBS Various Rails NcSTAR D4B Macro AA 68/45
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Posted By: .357 Magnum
Date Posted: 02 July 2008 at 1:43am
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Is this thread really still going ?
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