Fundraising Cyclists Hit and Killed
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Topic: Fundraising Cyclists Hit and Killed
Posted By: choopie911
Subject: Fundraising Cyclists Hit and Killed
Date Posted: 30 June 2008 at 8:17pm
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http://www.cbc.ca/canada/manitoba/story/2008/06/30/cyclists-struck.html - What a shame
At least they weren't all killed. |
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Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 30 June 2008 at 8:24pm
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That's horrible
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Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 30 June 2008 at 8:31pm
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That'll teach em! punks trying to help a good cause!
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Posted By: TRAVELER
Date Posted: 02 July 2008 at 10:07am
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What amazes me is that people who drive cars don't realize that bicycles are entitled to use the road as much as they are. Drivers often yell "get off the road" as they pass, not knowing that by doing so they are committing a ticketable offense. I worked in Florida for several years as a police officer. One day a cab driver swerved toward me while I was riding, while yelling curses about my blocking the road. I caught up to him at the next light, laid my bike down in front of his car, and showed him my badge. The look on his face was "priceless". I then called for a Miami Beach officer to come and assist me. The cab driver ended up having a suspended license, and had less right to be on the road than a bicycle. He was arrested and taken to jail, and his cab was impounded. I pressed charges against him for vehicular assault, which he plead down to reckless driving. His license was then revoked for 2 years, and he lost his Dade County cab license. He was put one ticket away from being classified as a "habitual traffic offender", which is a felony, punishable by up to a lifetime ban from driving. I've been hit a few times while riding, but the incidents were all accidental. The last time it happened, a woman turned into me while I was riding on a bike lane. I was unhurt, but my bike was messed up. The insurance adjuster asked how much my bike cost, and I said $3500 (it was a Pinarello). He balked at the cost, so I mentioned that I would have my lawyer discuss the loss of my bike with him. He then shut up and wrote me a check for $3500, and I signed his waiver. I prefer riding here in Japan. It is almost as difficult to get a drivers license in Japan as it is to get a pilots license in America. People here know the rules of the road, and are fully aware that cyclists can ride anywhere that cars drive. What's more, if a motor vehicle gets into an accident with a bicycle or pedestrian, the driver of the motor vehicle is automatically considered at fault. This causes drivers to be especially careful around pedestrians and people, and encourages more people to ride bicycles. ------------- For I will wander to and fro, I'll go where I no one do know, |
Posted By: b1and
Date Posted: 02 July 2008 at 10:39am
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 02 July 2008 at 10:41am
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Like Traveler, I have had some close calls with some stupid drivers. Fortunately, I live in a smaller city and know which roads see less traffic so I can avoid most of the idiots. Additionally, we have a very nice bike trail along the river. Finally, being retired military, I can ride on the local base where the reduced speed limits and fear of explaining tickets to a commander tends to keep drivers more in line.
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 02 July 2008 at 11:48am
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I beleive that cyclists should have to stay to the edge of the road. You wouldn't believe how often they hold up traffic down here. It would be for their own good really.
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Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 02 July 2008 at 11:57am
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Can bicycle riders get speeding tickets?
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 02 July 2008 at 12:02pm
Building on that: How come I can get ticketed for going too slow but bicyclists can't? ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Da Hui wrote:Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 02 July 2008 at 1:12pm
why? he swerved around you... im actually with carl on this one. there arent any sidewalks around here, but when i ride, its on the edge of the road. if a car gets behind me, i'll either wave him around me to let him know its safe to pass, or go off road or into someones driveway to let him pass. i expect other cyclists to do the same for me when im driving -------------
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Posted By: White o Light
Date Posted: 02 July 2008 at 1:43pm
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At least they all had both of their balls. Im calling you out Armstrong. ------------- 
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Posted By: WGP guy2
Date Posted: 02 July 2008 at 1:47pm
Read that again, he said he swerved toward him. I tend to ride off the side of the road as much as possible, I always ride my mountain bike and I find it more fun and a better workout. |
Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 02 July 2008 at 2:11pm
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Posted By: K Hop
Date Posted: 02 July 2008 at 2:24pm
why say something like that? two people DIED... not something to joke about |
Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 02 July 2008 at 2:29pm
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Posted By: .357 Magnum
Date Posted: 02 July 2008 at 3:03pm
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As much as I hate bikers on the side of the road who can never get over enough to be out of my lane. It's too bad it happened to people doing something good.
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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 02 July 2008 at 3:17pm
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Posted By: hoginds24
Date Posted: 02 July 2008 at 3:18pm
Bikers should be aloud on the road but should have to yield to autos. It is my understanding that going under 15mph under hte speed limit is illegal. Therefore if bikers want the same rights they should pedal a bit faster. |
Posted By: Ilford Rule
Date Posted: 02 July 2008 at 3:19pm
I'm fairly certain it's illegal to ride a bike on the sidewalk with 24" or over wheels. Can't remember the number though. Anyways, to post on topic, that's terrible. How blind do you have to be to miss seeing a group of cyclists? I can't imagine he saw them and did nothing... condolences to the families. ------------- CPro (w/ polished internals) 14" Bigshot BT SBS Various Rails NcSTAR D4B Macro AA 68/45 
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 02 July 2008 at 3:34pm
I know it's illegal but it's unenforced and everyone does it. It's safer for just about everyone. ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 02 July 2008 at 3:43pm
Will you be allowed in the street when the training wheels come off?  -------------
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Posted By: Ilford Rule
Date Posted: 02 July 2008 at 3:43pm
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In reply to Carl (I'm too lazy to edit the quote in, and Mack posted while I was writing): I know it's unenforced. That doesn't make it a good idea. You can't hit pedestrians on the road. And doing so is a bit more inconvenient for them then holding up someone in a car for the half second it takes them to change lanes. What I do on a bike is if some cars are coming up behind me and there is no left lane for them to pass (or sometimes if there is), I'll just hop over the curb and continue until there's room for me again. ------------- CPro (w/ polished internals) 14" Bigshot BT SBS Various Rails NcSTAR D4B Macro AA 68/45
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Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 02 July 2008 at 3:46pm
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A bike vs a pedestrian can hurt. A bike vs a car =  -------------
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Posted By: RoboCop
Date Posted: 02 July 2008 at 3:50pm
| I don't wear a helmet when I ride a bike so I stay off the road that way cops won't be all over me. |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 02 July 2008 at 3:55pm
That's one way to do it. You can't hit/be hit/cause accidents on the road. When was the last time you heard of a pedestrian dying of being hit by a bike? When was the last time you heard of a cyclist being hit by a car (hint: it's in this topic) ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 02 July 2008 at 3:56pm
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Posted By: PaiNTbALLfReNzY
Date Posted: 02 July 2008 at 3:57pm
| I wouldn't doubt someone has died from being hit by a bicyclist. |
Posted By: PaiNTbALLfReNzY
Date Posted: 02 July 2008 at 3:57pm
Only for the retards 
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Posted By: RoboCop
Date Posted: 02 July 2008 at 3:58pm
| I'm pretty sure it is. I don't ride very often and don't care to check. |
Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 02 July 2008 at 4:05pm
At my middle school we had this cool resource officer who used to write $20 tickets to everybody who didn't wear a helmet when they rode their bike to school. The guy was awesome. The type of cop who gets off on bossing people around and cares nothing about doing his job properly. |
Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 02 July 2008 at 4:10pm
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That's lame. I've never owned a bike helmet in my life. Obviously wearing one is probably a good idea, but I'm willing to take my chances.
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Posted By: Brian Fellows
Date Posted: 02 July 2008 at 5:51pm
| You're supposed to ride against traffic, too. That's what I always do. |
Posted By: impulse!
Date Posted: 02 July 2008 at 6:37pm
Sorry your wrong. You run/jog/walk against traffic. You ride a bike with traffic. And yay, two less wannabe lance armstrongs. ------------- 
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 02 July 2008 at 7:26pm
Moron.... And I'm fine with bikers, it just bugs me when they demand to be treated like a vehicle, then don't act like one. If you're going to be on a bike, follow the rules of the road, and I dont care. |
Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 03 July 2008 at 1:09am
no, you really are. that way you can see the traffic thats in your lane and act/react accordingly. if you ride with traffic, they are all going to come from behind. around here though, i switch between the two depending on what side of the hill/curve im on. -------------
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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 03 July 2008 at 10:21am
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I'm pretty sure the consensus is that going with the traffic is acceptable. There's just something unnerving about riding into traffic.
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 03 July 2008 at 10:42am
QFT. I know from experience that is the law in Missouri, South Dakota and Montana. A quick Google also showed it to be the requirement for Illinois, California, Wisconsin, Oregon, Georgia, Florida and Kentucky. At this point I have to say it seems to be the law of the land in the U.S. at least. (Note: The Florida handbook specifically mentioned riding against traffic as an unsafe practice that doubles the chance of an accident.) -------------
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Posted By: Brian Fellows
Date Posted: 03 July 2008 at 4:01pm
I ride on the far edge of the road, moran. |
Posted By: rockerdoode
Date Posted: 03 July 2008 at 4:25pm
You're an idiot. The point of the 20 dollar ticket was to encourage the use of helmets. By writing those tickets he WAS doing his job, and he was doing a great thing. He's probably saved several lives because now those kids wear helmets, and won't suffer brain trauma when they fall, or get hit by a car. Granted it doesn't happen every day, but if it saves one life then it was worth it. Sorry dude, but you're the tool. ------------- "According to Sue Johanson, theres nothing that can increase your manhood, trust me I've already looked into it for myself." -Zata |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 03 July 2008 at 11:07pm
No, you are not. A bicycle is a vehicle, and it obeys (in theory) the same rules as a car. You ride on the right-hand side of the road, and you're even supposed to use hand signals to indicate turns. You always bike WITH traffic, and walk AGAINST traffic. Trust me, when you bike in to traffic, there are a lot of people in their cars thinking "what an idiot..." |
Posted By: Ace_Of_Spades
Date Posted: 03 July 2008 at 11:29pm
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ok in all common thinking here, nobody wears helmets unless they are doing tricks, casual riding doesnt warrant a helemt, that officer had nothing better to do i promise you that, wear a helmet when i feeel like pulling the ramps and quarter out, otherwise, no helmet, if you hvae trouble keeping balance then yes wear a friggin helmet and i dont know where you live but where i live you can hear the cars, pop the curb and keep going. Granted the cop was technically doing his job, he most likely could hvae been doing something much more productive, because last i heard there was never any tickets given for bicycles going too fast, while talking on your cell phone, going through a schoolzone. i go against traffic, i dont know how its intimidating in the least bit, the car way down there and even if it was close it wont do anything but move out of the way, or you could just, like previously stated, pop deh curb and keep on rolling now the Armstrong wanna-bes need helmets cuz they much faster and are on the roads and sometimes the highways (not the big 6 lane ones, but the smaller 2 or sometime 4 lane ones) where its more likely for them to be hit. ------------- 
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 03 July 2008 at 11:36pm
Then you are probably in violation of the law. What state are you in? -------------
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Posted By: Ace_Of_Spades
Date Posted: 03 July 2008 at 11:39pm
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Texas, however where i live there are hardly any place that doesnt have sidewalks and i have a more tricky bike than a speedy one. let me clarify myself in one aspect seeing that i was a little too broad in my previous post. in the neighborhoods i go against traffic b/c the speedlimit is slow enough you can see them and they can see you and everythings fine, however when im on the more major roads i stick to going with traffic or when there are sidewalks i stay on them -------------
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 03 July 2008 at 11:45pm
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^^^ Then according to http://www.biketexas.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=51&Itemid=65 - this site, you are required to "ride near the curb and go in the same direction as traffic."
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 03 July 2008 at 11:49pm
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Ummm... casual riding certanly does warrant a helmet ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: Ace_Of_Spades
Date Posted: 03 July 2008 at 11:49pm
that what i just said, and staying by the curb is just common sense, what moran is going to be riding a pegged mongoose in the middle of the road?
it may be required by law, but depending on how you ride, when, and what type, it basically boils down to preference answer me this carl, why is it required by law for bicylcists to wear helmets and yet the law does not require motorcyclists to wear them -------------
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 04 July 2008 at 12:03am
That doesn't make sense, and it's still stupid. Ride with traffic, close to the curb. For the good of everyone. |
Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 04 July 2008 at 12:03am
I've always worn one just because I'm normally rather safety conscious. I was quite happy to have it several years ago when a young teenage driver pulled up to a stop sign, stopped, looked right at me, pulled in front of me then realized I was there and locked up her brakes. She ended up stopping right in front of me and since I didn't have time to react* I hit the fender and went over my handlebars, across her hood and off the other side. I was fine other than a scrape on one of my legs. My helmet and one of her wipers were toast. *I normally watch driver's very carefully and am prepared for what they do. I guess the fact she looked right at me lulled me into a false sense of security. -------------
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Posted By: Ace_Of_Spades
Date Posted: 04 July 2008 at 12:13am
no its def isnt, through neighborhoods the speed is gen. 20-30, in which you most of the time cant hear the car till its justabout on you, so taking that in mind i ride facing traffic in neighborhoods, i grew up on my bike, went to school on it etc. in neighborhoods it's smarter to go against traffic
side note: Mack i had a moment like that except the car was parked, kinda a freak accident in a sense, i was messin around and ended up breaking my handlebar clasp, so my handles fell straight forward, casuing my bike to suddenly veer right and i slammed into a parked car...i was hurting for a few days after that -------------
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Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 04 July 2008 at 12:20am
I was not debating whether or not a helmet is a good idea. Saving lives was not this toolbags goal. It was to harass people. He was the type of cop who walks around just looking to start a fight so he can arrest someone. He probably has wetdreams of being in a shoot out. Last thing I heard about him was that he was being investigated by Family and Child Services for Child Abuse. -------------
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Posted By: notXXscared
Date Posted: 04 July 2008 at 12:35am
Wow, that was probably the dumbest ramble I have read in a long time. My dad's friend took his 10 year old kid for a bike ride around the neighborhood. The guy makes millions a year, and can ride a bike. No tricks, just a casual ride, and he dumps it. He hit a pot hole or something, no helmet, and now he is permanently brain damaged, goes to speech therapy, and is deaf in one ear. When I was in like 4th or 5th grade, I went to the neighbor's house to get my brother. I don't know why I did, but I left the house without a helmet, but for some reason, turned around at the top of my driveway and put it on. Turns out, my brake cable was twisted around the handle bars, so turning the handles applied the brakes. After beelining it down the neighbor's driveway, I saw sand- went to turn the bike, the brakes locked, and I hit the sand pit, bike went sideways, I flew over the handle bars, and landed on my face. My helmet's protective plastic piece was shattered, and the hard styrofoam underneath had a crack running from my eye lid to the center of my skull. Like a 95% chance I would have been dead. Helmets save lives, and accidents happen. I have no trouble "keeping balance" and can snowboard, wakeboard, bike ride, ride dirtbikes, ect. pretty well- but the ground is harder than you face and accidents, bad road conditions, and fluke stuff happens. If you're too stupid to realize that, you should thank that cop for making you think twice about riding without one. And way to complete break the law on going opposite of traffic. A bike is a considered a vehicle, and you're expected to follow all the rules of the road when riding on the road. ------------- 
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Posted By: Ace_Of_Spades
Date Posted: 04 July 2008 at 1:01am
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wow, i love how you made it look like i ride against traffic everywere w/o a helmet, granted i dont wear one, i dont ride agaist traffic on major roads, once again, i go agaist traffic in neighborhoods not that hard to get, or even understand, in fact i dont even knw why we are argueing over something this stupid, im just going to end it.
it all comes down to preference, against or with traffic and with or w/o helmets, and for the love of god dont point me out as being the only dumbass on the forum who doesnt wear a helmet and goes against traffic b/c im sure SOOOO many do the same or are like me now and can really care less, and your story was more of a freak accident than anything else and i love how everyone is making this a bigger deal than it really is, more people get hammered, drive off from the bar, and slam into someone than people die on a bicycle not wearing a helmet -------------
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Posted By: Ilford Rule
Date Posted: 04 July 2008 at 1:09am
A lot more people die from car accidents then from shooting themselves in the head. That doesn't mean its a good idea to walk around with a loaded gun's barrel in your mouth. ------------- CPro (w/ polished internals) 14" Bigshot BT SBS Various Rails NcSTAR D4B Macro AA 68/45
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Posted By: Ace_Of_Spades
Date Posted: 04 July 2008 at 1:12am
yes but if some1 is stupid enough to do that then they should just pull the trigger, thats a way too exagerated version of mine -------------
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 04 July 2008 at 1:14am
I didn't look up the helmet part so I won't comment on it. However, what it comes down to on the riding against traffic part is that you've decided you know better than the people who write your state's traffic laws. It's not "preference" unless you count wanting to break the law because you understand safety better than professional traffic engineers as a preference. -------------
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Posted By: Ilford Rule
Date Posted: 04 July 2008 at 1:16am
Of course it's exaggerated. That's the intention of it. As seems to be usual, you've completely missed my point. What I mean to say is that a bad idea doesn't become a good idea just because there are worse ideas in the universe. ------------- CPro (w/ polished internals) 14" Bigshot BT SBS Various Rails NcSTAR D4B Macro AA 68/45
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 04 July 2008 at 1:17am
That's not against the law there? What crappy laws you guys have. ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: Ilford Rule
Date Posted: 04 July 2008 at 1:19am
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Posted By: Ace_Of_Spades
Date Posted: 04 July 2008 at 1:21am
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learned from nearly getting run over from my parents telling me the same thing, how many of those engineers hvae you ever seen actually riding a bike for a few years before they actually decide that going with traffic in a neighborhood is better than against. im hoping that the third times the charm when i state a twice previously repeated statement. while in neighborhood, since the speed limit is only between 20-30, it is much harder to hear the car behind you in which case i ride against traffic in neighborhoods so i can see the car and get out of the way would you all stop jumping the gun and just think about this???...seriously
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Posted By: notXXscared
Date Posted: 04 July 2008 at 1:22am
[/QUOTE] It all comes down to preference, beating or stabbing your victims after raping them. If blatantly ignoring the law counts as "preference" then I guess your right... And so what, you don't hear them. Big whoop-dee-friggin'-doo. If you're off to the side like your supposed to be, it won't be a problem and the motorist, who takes control of passing a bicyclist in EVERY OTHER INSTANCE, simply passes you like normal. The procedure remains constant, nothing is different, and it doesn't cause confusion because someone decided their way is better and they were going to completely change protocol. -------------
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Posted By: Ace_Of_Spades
Date Posted: 04 July 2008 at 1:24am
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It all comes down to preference, beating or stabbing your victims after raping them. If blatantly ignoring the law counts as "preference" then I guess your right... [/QUOTE] once again a drastically exaggerated example of mine, murder and helmets are two TOTALLY different things -------------
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Posted By: Ilford Rule
Date Posted: 04 July 2008 at 1:25am
once again a drastically exaggerated example of mine, murder and helmets are two TOTALLY different things [/QUOTE]You REALLY, REALLY don't get it do you... ------------- CPro (w/ polished internals) 14" Bigshot BT SBS Various Rails NcSTAR D4B Macro AA 68/45
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Posted By: Ace_Of_Spades
Date Posted: 04 July 2008 at 1:26am
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once you get all the drunks outta thier cars, i'll start getting all those kids thier hemets -------------
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Posted By: notXXscared
Date Posted: 04 July 2008 at 1:27am
once again a drastically exaggerated example of mine, murder and helmets are two TOTALLY different things [/QUOTE]Of course it's exaggerated, but it's not really totally different. Both are laws and both are in place for a reason. There is no choice, no preference except to abide or to disregard.
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 04 July 2008 at 1:27am
Carl; assuming that you are referring to a lack of motorcycle helmet laws mentioned by Ace I felt that I should add some type of clarification. 47 states in the U.S. have helmet laws. Texas requires them for everyone under age 21. They also require them for everyone over 21 unless they maintain $10,000 in medical insurance coverage or have completed an approved safety course. -------------
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Posted By: Ace_Of_Spades
Date Posted: 04 July 2008 at 1:33am
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they are both "illegal" -------------
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 04 July 2008 at 1:35am
Wouldn't the kids be more likely to need the helmets when the drunks were in their cars? -------------
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Posted By: Ace_Of_Spades
Date Posted: 04 July 2008 at 1:37am
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if by kids you mean teenagers past thier curfews, and that brings up a totally different mindset, i ALWAYS wear a helmet at night, i know isaid i never do, but i rarely ride at night but when i do, i wear a helmet -------------
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 04 July 2008 at 1:42am
Fair enough. So .357 is just an idiot then? ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: Brian Fellows
Date Posted: 04 July 2008 at 1:50am
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Adults should not be required to wear either a motorcycle helmet or a seat belt. It's not the government's job to babysit people. |
Posted By: Ace_Of_Spades
Date Posted: 04 July 2008 at 1:53am
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the gov. has to otherwise the sue-happy low lifes would be ALL over that but well said nonetheless -------------
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 04 July 2008 at 1:54am
That's a dumb way to look at it. If you make it optional, then more people will not use them. Everyone should use them and so, the government should do what they can to get people to use them. ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: Ilford Rule
Date Posted: 04 July 2008 at 1:56am
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If it wasn't a legal requirement it's not unlikely that less cars would have them as standard. Therefore, people who would otherwise use them may not. Obviously many still will, but some won't simply as a matter of convenience. I don't want to go into further depth but I'm sure everyone gets what I mean (pay attention to the words AS STANDARD).
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Posted By: rockerdoode
Date Posted: 04 July 2008 at 3:41am
Actually, it is... Anyway, Ace, you are a complete and utter fool. I sincerely hope you never reproduce. Your posts have been so full of idiocy, ignorance, arrogance, and complete lack of anything NEAR an intelligible response to the multitude of good points made here that I can honestly give my non-medically schooled opinion when I say you have to be legally retarded. ------------- "According to Sue Johanson, theres nothing that can increase your manhood, trust me I've already looked into it for myself." -Zata |
Posted By: Ace_Of_Spades
Date Posted: 04 July 2008 at 9:33am
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obviously you dont know the surroundings of where i live, rarely go off the sidewalk when there is heavy traffic and you dont have to worry about me hitting a pole or me going agaist trafic b/c i now drive a car, i stopped riding bikes 2 years ago but was giving my spill on things i did. I really dont like being called an idiot b/c i am a little hearing impaired and use my eyes more to pay attention. I'd also like to point out just how much idiocy your post is filled with, you dont know me, and apparently you hvae also jumped the gun on my thrice repeated statement. Im a if i were legitimately retarded then i would not have graduated in 2 honors classes or hvae clept out of Algebra and English. Do not just assume you know me, i dont know why but that hits a button in me that just sets me off. if you want to call anyone an idiot who shouldnt be breeding its not me, im just like you in the aspect of wanting to do something with my life and dont appreciate being called a trailor trash dumbass who shouldnt breed just becasue he doesnt wear a helmet and cant hear as well as others, you really look like a hardcore asshole right now. -------------
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ing normal person like you except in the aspect of not wearing a helmet which is more common than drunks in a bar and that i go against traffic IN NEIGHBORHOODS due to my slight lack of hearing so i can see who the Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 04 July 2008 at 10:19am
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There are a few occasions where I also ride against traffic, I don't like having my back to traffic when there's a blind hill behind me, and I'm not going to ride over sand and chunks of broken pavement just to stay with traffic. I would have to say that riding with traffic is generally a safer practice, but there are instances where riding against it, for whatever reason is safer. If you're hauling ass against traffic on a touring bike it gives both you and the driver less time to react and increases the potential impact velocity. That's why they want you to ride with traffic, but if I were to go from my house to the general store, I'm probably going to ride on what I judge to be the safer side of the road. Laws shouldn't replace sound judgment. But since this is a tippmann forum debate, I won't bother to produce examples, but will instead remind notXXscared that tanning beds cause cancer, and that using them is just like castrating yourself because it both harms you and makes you less of a man. |
Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 04 July 2008 at 10:50am
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Apparently everyone jumping on Ace's case has never broken a single traffic law.
Ever. Oh, that's right, you probably have. So stop posting OMG ES TEH LAW. |
Posted By: rockerdoode
Date Posted: 04 July 2008 at 3:23pm
Okay, first you can start by not putting words in my mouth. Half the crap you're saying I didn't even mention. Second, if you want to stop being treated like you're some idiot, then stop acting like one. Third, I think you're full of bull. Honors? You mean Honors in Special Education, right? Because you used a total of FIVE periods that entire messy rant. Good job. EDIT: Seriously dude, some of that crap you said didn't even make sense. ------------- "According to Sue Johanson, theres nothing that can increase your manhood, trust me I've already looked into it for myself." -Zata |
Posted By: Ace_Of_Spades
Date Posted: 04 July 2008 at 7:10pm
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name some, i'll be sure to narrow it down for you, everything i said made absolute common sense, how am i an idiot, explain all these and i'll be glad to clear them up for your perfect self and now it seems that punctuation has to be perfect in a rant in order for that person to have some credit. if you can read the damn thing than shut the hell up b/c it doesnt matter. If YOU, a usual on these forums for 4 years, cant decifer a rant from punctuation...then you sir, are the one that needs the helmet EDIT: im beggining to wonder if this is a forum ora place angry english teachers go to so they can get thier fill of calling people dumbasses for not putting a period in the right spot good god man its a f*in period -------------
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Posted By: rockerdoode
Date Posted: 04 July 2008 at 7:38pm
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How about this: you take that extra few seconds per paragraph to
actually make an argument worth decifering, and I'll take the time to actually come up with a real response. Til then, you're still an idiot who's proving my point further by continuing to run your mouth. ------------- "According to Sue Johanson, theres nothing that can increase your manhood, trust me I've already looked into it for myself." -Zata |
Posted By: Ace_Of_Spades
Date Posted: 04 July 2008 at 7:43pm
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I HAVE LEFT ENOUGH GOD DAM POSTS UP THERE, IM CERTAIN YOU CAN PICK ONE OF THEM AND "DECIFER" IT, UNTIL YOU TELL ME WHY, YOUR JUST BEING A JACKASS WHO IS PUTTING UP A FALSEHOOD OF THINKING HES THE PERFECT LAW ABIDING CITIZEN, SO FAR ALL YOUVE DONE IS CALL ME RETARDED IDIOTIC NON-BREEDWORTHY WITH ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO BACK IT UP -------------
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Posted By: rockerdoode
Date Posted: 04 July 2008 at 7:44pm
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trust me dude...theres plenty to back it up. Plenty. ------------- "According to Sue Johanson, theres nothing that can increase your manhood, trust me I've already looked into it for myself." -Zata |
Posted By: Ace_Of_Spades
Date Posted: 04 July 2008 at 7:46pm
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then give me your best shot, seeing as im idiotic, retarded and should be steril, not like ivve got something to lose, hmm -------------
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Posted By: Yomillio
Date Posted: 04 July 2008 at 7:50pm
I LIKE WRITING IN CAPS LOCK ITS WHAT I DO BECUASE IT MAKES PEOPLE READ IT LIKE I'M YELLING AND I LIKE THAT. A LOT. He is calling you the above because you fail to make points that can be picked apart. When you try to explain, your sentances and general paragraph form is so lack-luster that it makes us not want to read. It makes us think that you don't care enough about what your trying to say to take the time and have decent spelling, grammer, and/or punctuation. People are more likely to listen if you try to make your points in a more organized and better-written manner. /my jump to the 4th page without reading the rest of the thread ------------- 
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Posted By: Ace_Of_Spades
Date Posted: 04 July 2008 at 7:53pm
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start at the 2nd or 3rd, the treatment im recieving form rockerdoode is just about unprovoked. He thinks im idiotic b/c i go agaist traffic in neighborhoods, thinks im retarded because i dont have perfect punctuation, and thinks i shouldnt breed b/c i ride a bike w/o a helmet and now that im demanding his reasoning behind his thinking, it seemed like he was avoiding it, so i put it in caps to see if he would possibly stop beating around the bush and give some proof -------------
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Posted By: Yomillio
Date Posted: 04 July 2008 at 7:59pm
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Okay, well why wouldn't you wear a helmet when it could save your life, and why would you go against traffic when its against the law? I think its pretty idiotic as well. The only time when I don't wear a helmet is when I'm in my neighborhood as I live on a dead-end development with very, very wide streets. Yeah, may be hipocrit-ish, but whatever. I feel perfectly comfortable without a helmet in my neighborhood going with traffic. -------------
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Posted By: rockerdoode
Date Posted: 04 July 2008 at 8:09pm
Jesus Christ dude...chill out.
I wasn't calling you those things for any of those reasons...but nice try. You just fail to miss the point, post after post. I think it's stupid not to wear a helmet when you ride your bike. Theres no such thing as control, its an illusion, and it takes a gust of wind to turn that carefree attitude into a "I wish I wore my helmet that day". All I'm saying is it's better to be safe than sorry. Anyway, back to my "I hope you don't reproduce comment". I think if you're really stupid enough to actually think it's totally fine to not wear a helmet, I hope to god you don't have kids to teach your skewed beliefs to. Or maybe you will have kids, never make them wear a helmet, and they'll smack their head and be brain dead for the rest of their life because you're an arrogant moron. The other name callings were for a pretty obvious reason...because you really are an idiot. Just plain and simple. ------------- "According to Sue Johanson, theres nothing that can increase your manhood, trust me I've already looked into it for myself." -Zata |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 04 July 2008 at 11:53pm
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All I have to say is:
bicycle = ride with traffic. IN ALL CASES. If you don't you're too dumb for your own good. IT IS THE CORRECT WAY, REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOU THINK. |
Posted By: Shub
Date Posted: 05 July 2008 at 12:24am
| And also, to whoever said something about a minimum speed limit earlier: In PA, the only roads with minimum speed limits are divided, limited access highways, (four lane, interstate highways, etc), and they forbid any non-motorized vehicles. Therefore, bike traffic does not disobey any highway laws. |
Posted By: TRAVELER
Date Posted: 07 July 2008 at 7:47am
Except that in America there is no "right" to drive a motor vehicle. Driving is a "privilige", and therefore, the government can regulate it however they please. In my opinion, they do not regulate enough. It's stupidly easy to get a drivers license in America, hence the fact that there are more than 40,000 people killed on the roads every year in accidents. Here in Japan getting a license is very difficult. Driving school costs more than $3000, requires weeks of classroom training, and 30 hours of behind-the-wheel instruction. On top of this, the driving test at the motor vehicle department is very difficult. Most people fail in their first attempt, it usually takes 2 or 3 tries before one passes. The end result is that drivers here actually know the rules of the road, and there are far few motor vehicle accidents per capita. Laws in all states in America require riders to ride as close to the right as "practicable", and bicycles are required to obey the same traffic laws that apply to motor vehicles. Helmets for bicyclists are usually required for those under 17. All states have a bicycle information page on their DOT websites for those who want to know the details. ------------- For I will wander to and fro, I'll go where I no one do know, |
Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 07 July 2008 at 8:53am
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I for one cannot stand bicycles on the road.......where I'm from. The narrow, often dangerously curved roads don't, IMO allow for safe sharing. My biggest beef with bikers is how they can completely ignore a line of traffic that stacks up behind them. Perhaps "Sharing the road" is the legal way to do it, but it works both ways, and blocking people up because "I have a right to be here" makes you a self centered douche bag and if you get tagged.....I've often got very little sympathy. We've got a biker near me who likes to ride at night, equipped with flashing lights and reflectors. He looks like a freakin UFO coming down the road at night. I don't yell at bikers, nor do I swerve at them, but I've often vowed my hatred for the morons who may be holding me up when I'm on the clock or headed someplace with a purpose. Move or bike elsewhere. Edit in response to the article: Solution: Don't bike on the highways. Problem solved. The highway is designed for speedy and direct travel. Throwing a bike into that mix is asking for a disaster. ------------- ? |
Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 07 July 2008 at 1:39pm
maybe in city traffic, but not where i live. with the hills and blind curves, i always put myself in the lane that has the best view of me, or that i have the best view of. when going uphill, i ride on the right side. going downhill i ride on the left. that way no one crests the hill right behind me and doesnt get a chance to see me until its too late. same thing with curves. going in im on the right, coming out im on the left. if making yourself more visible to the cars that are the biggest threat to you is wrong, then i dont want to be right. -------------
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 07 July 2008 at 1:42pm
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 07 July 2008 at 8:21pm
When you drive, do you drive on the lefthandside on blind corners? No. |
Posted By: rockerdoode
Date Posted: 07 July 2008 at 8:23pm
You do if you live in the United Kingdom. Ass.  ------------- "According to Sue Johanson, theres nothing that can increase your manhood, trust me I've already looked into it for myself." -Zata |
Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 07 July 2008 at 8:40pm
no, because when i drive i dont have to worry about people traveling towards me from behind at 4-6 times my own speed. edit: also, im only in the left lane after the apex when i can see the road in front of me but not behind me. -------------
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 07 July 2008 at 8:41pm
| What about drunk speeders? |
Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 07 July 2008 at 8:43pm
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 07 July 2008 at 8:45pm
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