MilTec G1: New Pics and Review
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Topic: MilTec G1: New Pics and Review
Posted By: DeTrevni
Subject: MilTec G1: New Pics and Review
Date Posted: 08 July 2008 at 6:44am
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Well, this would have been up sooner, but my interbutts were down. So here it is! First Thoughts My sister knocks on my door. "It's here!" she yells at me as I wipe the sleep out of my eyes. Woo hoo! Finally! Anyway, I rip the box open, only to pull out... A SMALLER BOX! FRICKEN AWESOME!  So I tear that box open, and behold! The glorified, midgetized Spyder!  I pulled it out. Not too crazy about the grips. I tried putting on the stock grips from my 98C. They were big enough to fill my hands comfortably. Problem is, the top finger grove positioned my finger too close to the guard, so it made it more uncomfortable. I put the stock grips back on. Other than that, the fit, finish and feel are all quite nice so far. First thing I noted, though, was it was rather large for a pistol, but rather small for a paintball gun. I guess that means it's just about right for me!   And here's the marker with the magazine detached and all the plugs removed.  It's fairly easy to swap 12's, but after I do the side-drop mod, it will be a lot easier. It takes 7-8 turns for me to pull the CO2 plug. After the mod, it should only be enough to loosen it. Maybe one or two. I looked for some reviews on YouTube. The only MilTec pistol review I found was from a person who was fairly, well, newbie. He complained that the magazine was difficult to put back on. Simply not true. To detach the mag, simply push it forward and pull up. To put it back on, push it forward and push down. No trouble at all. Not too crazy about the mag plug though. I do like, however, the fact that they put a ring on it to make it easier to grab. I'm also gonna do a front-loading mod, where I drill a hole near the front of the mag to dump the paint. This should make reloading way less time consuming and easier to do. And putting the hole in the front puts me in a better position to reload while I'm in a bunker. And now to the holster that came with it.  The holster took some modifications to get the pistol and mag to fit. Namely, I had to cut it open some more, as seen here:  The threads around the area where the 12g plug is had to be cut. I'm probably gonna hot glue it or something to hold the other threads in place so the cut doesn't spread. But anyway, it fits now. It took some work, but I also got it to fit around my tree-trunk thighs (it's a leg holster). There's a front pouch for a spare magazine and some loops for either 10 rd. tubes or 12g's, but neither of those features will be used. And finally, here's my pistoleering setup:  What I'm rockin' is a Rhinotech 40 loop SC harness. That ought be plenty for my semi-auto "stock class" needs! For disposal of spent 10 rounders, I've got a PB Mafia large dump pouch. Should hold all my tubes without a problem. If not, I'll just shove them back in the harness. Performance Testing (no pics) I went to my local Academy sporting goods store and picked up 5 12g powerlets for about $2.50. CO2 is gonna be 'spensive... Anyway, I toss one in, cock the marker and air it up. No leaks. Very good sign! I drop about 10 rounds into the mag, let one chamber and drop another in. 11 rounds in the marker. I plug up the mag, unlatch the spring, take aim and blast through the mag. Boy this thing is fun to shoot! I go through the first mag, repeat the process (10 in the mag, one in the chamber) and blast through those. Then, I dry fire to see how long the average powerlet lasts. One more shot and then it's empty. Come to think of it, I noticed the last few shots were a bit low in velocity. Usable, but low. I'd have to say that equates to about 23ish usable shots per 12g. Not terrible for a Spyder-based blowback. One thing I noticed was a nice amount of kick. I personally like the way a little bit of kick feels when shooting. Somehow adds to the "authenticity." Others, however, may be more bent on performance than feel. Another odd occurrence: there was what would have been a chop if the paint I was using wasn't so old and crappy. Just pinched the paint. Now that I think about it, I don't know if there's enough mass or travel to chop the fairly low-end paint I usually buy. This may be a blessing. Expensive tourney paint would be torn to shreds though. Anyway, not a negative occurrence at the moment. As for the accuracy, so far it's terrible. Could be due to a few things: firstly, I don't have a chrony, so the velocity could have been anywhere, as I eyeballed it. Another thing was I noticed a bit of oil in the barrel. I never cleaned it out, so that could have contributed to it. Of course, as I mentioned, the paint I was using was old and crappy, so... Oh, one last thing: Even with the velocity knob tightened all the way, the velocity appeared to be a bit low. I may need to shim it a bit to bring it to about 260 FPS (about the perfect balance of velocity and efficiency, IMO). Final Thoughts So far, I love it. Feels good, looks good, and performs good enough. After I do my mods, it will perform amazingly. Not a bad deal for the total I spent on the entire setup! I'll do an estimated rundown: $110 shipped for the G1 (free holster), $23 for the dump pouch and $20 for the harness plus about $8 for shipping, an estimated $10 shipped for 50 10 round tubes with speed caps (I'm getting a deal with someone. No info will be disclosed, so please don't ask) leads to a grand total of $171ish for a complete pistol setup, minus the cost of paint and CO2. Not bad at all, especially for the $350ish a decent Tiberius setup would have cost me. All-in-all, a great setup for those looking to get into pistol play! The Good: - Affordable - Decent quality - Looks - Spyder-based (with a Tippmann Pro-Lite drive spring) - Not proprietary The Bad: - Metric - Velocity seems kinda low - "Made in Taiwan" Future Mods - Side drop-out CO2 - Front-loading magazine - CCI Phantom pierce pin - Nice Duracoat, anodizing or something That should be all I need! And in closing, here's a pic of my newest family member modeling my newest toy!  ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell" 
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Posted By: Pariel
Date Posted: 08 July 2008 at 7:42am
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A paintball pistol is useless.
'Nuff said. Can't wait to see what you do to it. |
Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 08 July 2008 at 9:33am
 ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Pariel wrote:Posted By: Quiet_Riot
Date Posted: 08 July 2008 at 9:42am
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Paintball pistols help out when your in a jam
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 08 July 2008 at 10:32am
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While I stand by my conviction that paintball pistols aren't useless, I DO believe that "sidearms" are. This sucker is gonna be my main when I play with it. It was either this or a Tac-8, and I chose this one strictly on potential performance best suited for my style of play. After careful analysis, this is "my" pistol. And I bought it new. So if you think about it, this particular marker was made for the sole purpose of me playing with it! Kind of a neat perspective. ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: techietaichi
Date Posted: 08 July 2008 at 11:16am
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^^^^Lol. Hey, you gonna mod it any? Smack some side rail's on, maybe a little tac-lite, some sweet grips, a scope for looks. It looks kinda mean for real. I just look at it and see modding potential. ------------- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCZWhJCF6Ig"> 
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Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 08 July 2008 at 12:59pm
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I need a 3357 barrel/chamber. I have a nice 357 laying around just waiting to be modded. Crosman, that is. ------------- 
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Posted By: unvolution
Date Posted: 08 July 2008 at 1:11pm
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g1 or g2? i cant see the number towards the back... damn my bad eyes... if its a g2 get a "long" barrel for it and build a stock for it... make it all rifle like... m1 carbine/m1 garand... that would be sick... |
Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 08 July 2008 at 1:25pm
G1. And the logic defeats itself there. If I wanted a full size marker, I'd have gotten one.  And as for mods, I'm gonna mod the magazine for front loading, cut a side drop out for the CO2, probably Duracoat it, and I might put a rail on the bottom, under the CO2. I don't want rails on the side, as that would make it needlessly difficult to holster. ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: t_hop
Date Posted: 08 July 2008 at 1:39pm
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im thinking about getting a PGP, same idea for me, just kind of a challenge and different way to play, i hope anyways. ------------- "I'm here to kick ass and chew bubblegum, and I'm all out of bubblegum." |
Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 08 July 2008 at 2:35pm
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PGP's are tanks man. Nothing like the heft of some good brass! I've never owned a PGP (but I have owned a PMI-II and a KP-3), but research shows that the pre 2K PGP's are superior to the PGP 2K's.
------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: Nagash1959
Date Posted: 08 July 2008 at 3:16pm
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You have to tell me how that holster works out for you. I love my ACP2.0, but the ariakon holster is just awful. Your gun looks very similar to mine and I've been looking at the UTG holster for a replacement. If the pistol fits well into your holster I might have to look into that one instead. http://www.usmilitarygear.com/proddetail.php?prod=PVC-H278B - http://www.usmilitarygear.com/proddetail.php?prod=PVC-H278B Though I've found the same thing cheaper on eBay. ------------- 98 Custom Cyclone Double E-Trigger Polished Internals Freak kit X-chamber CP Drop w/On/Off |
Posted By: Styro Folme
Date Posted: 09 July 2008 at 5:17am
I prefer my PGP2k over my Phantom 85% of the time. |
Posted By: ctchofday
Date Posted: 09 July 2008 at 6:39am
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but what about the Osiris?
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'99 Snpr II, ½d Karni, E-Orracle, 2k4 Spstk, 2k5 Prstk, PMR SE, A5, 98 |
Posted By: StormyKnight
Date Posted: 09 July 2008 at 9:21am
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Not if you are playing in a paintball pistol only game. ------------- 
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 09 July 2008 at 1:14pm
Not really, no. Couldn't have waited for the tippmann pistol detrevni? ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 09 July 2008 at 2:05pm
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I thought about it, but it was too big a risk. I kinda wanted one soon, and there's the possibility I wouldn't like the Tippy pistol. Besides, I don't know enough about it. The G1 is Spyder-based, so I know the thing inside and out.
------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: Pariel
Date Posted: 09 July 2008 at 4:32pm
Well, I was somewhat joking. And I was thinking of that exact idea when I first posted here. Speedball with pistols is pretty fun, based on my one experience with it (had a PGP for oh, a month. Tons of fun). |
Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 09 July 2008 at 5:43pm
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Pistols shipped yesterday (pistol"s" because my friend bought one as well). Should be here by the weekend. Getting excited! Expect many a duel! And maybe even some quickdraw competitions! ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: Evil Elvis
Date Posted: 09 July 2008 at 6:39pm
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Im going to wait for Tippmann's Magazine fed pistol.
I almost brought one of those when it was Armotech that made them but the whole issues with leaks was what turned me away from them. Since most people I knew that had one said in under a year they turn into expensive paper weights from the leak problem. ------------- 
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Posted By: kurieitaa
Date Posted: 09 July 2008 at 8:18pm
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nice find Detrevni, miltec g1 isent that befor armotech bought it out then warsensor?
i just hope the magazine and co2 arent all in one like the tac8/9 ------------- 
[ http://kurieitaa.googlepages.com - My Web Site }-{ http://kurieitaa.googlepages.com/cpbg - My Paintball Guns ] |
i hope they do somthing on the lines as rap4 did to there pistol's.Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 09 July 2008 at 8:23pm
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Elvis: The main problem with the Armotech and Warsensor versions are they are proprietary. The MilTec versions are almost 100% Spyder, with a Tippmann Pro/Lite mainspring and a CCI pierce pin. Everything is easily replaceable on these things. Kurieitaa: Actually, not really. MilTec is (somehow) associated with both companies, but operate as an independent manufacturer. As stated above, while the other two are proprietary, MilTec is much more universal. ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: kurieitaa
Date Posted: 09 July 2008 at 8:26pm
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i never knew that, thanks for the info, well good luck with the pistol and give us a review when you get it. -------------
[ http://kurieitaa.googlepages.com - My Web Site }-{ http://kurieitaa.googlepages.com/cpbg - My Paintball Guns ] |
Posted By: X-51
Date Posted: 12 July 2008 at 9:26am
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Yeah I was going to get a pistol for the longest time and something just didn't sit right with me about them. Then the tiberius line came out and I knew right away what it was about the others that turned me off. It's that three tube platform, with the loader on top, the barrel in the middle, and the gas system down below. I went with the tag 8 so that when I played with a pistol I did just that, I didn't have this stack of tubes to look at, I had a nice straight low profile surface to look down. But to each his own. It's definatly one of the cooler looking of that type, my only other choice would have been the one with the blowback slide. ------------- Once we clued in on the fact that life is finite, the thought of losing it didn't scare us anymore. The end comes no matter what, all that matters is how you wanna go out, on your feet or your knees? |
Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 15 July 2008 at 4:22am
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Bump for great justice. It's supposed to be in today, so I'm all kinds of excited! Looking through the thread, I seem to have left out some questions and comments. On the Osiris: Don't worry. It ain't goin' anywhere. As for "pistols only," psh. I'm gonna be the crazy fat guy loaded to the teeth with 12g's and 10 rounders, running down the field in a Hawaiian shirt, pistol in hand. This is all during a normal game, mind you. ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: unvolution
Date Posted: 15 July 2008 at 12:57pm
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Magnum PI... i just pictured that... glue a mustache to you mask |
Posted By: Pariel
Date Posted: 15 July 2008 at 1:01pm
I see many eliminations in your future.
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Posted By: X-51
Date Posted: 15 July 2008 at 7:02pm
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Pistol play is amazing. I learned so much about myself as a player using just a pistol, I got 12 kills for 4 eleminations at one of the events at hell's survivors, and 2 of them were back to back shot one kid in the chest, followed through to the kid right next to him, and drilled thing 2 in the mask. I played as a "dagger" or light infantryman and it worked great. ------------- Once we clued in on the fact that life is finite, the thought of losing it didn't scare us anymore. The end comes no matter what, all that matters is how you wanna go out, on your feet or your knees? |
Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 15 July 2008 at 10:47pm
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Does anyone know where I can find a 3357 barrel/chamber in stock? -------------
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Posted By: Yomillio
Date Posted: 16 July 2008 at 9:03am
He was using a PGP by the way. 'Tis what inspired me, it seemed to fit the description. Thats a lab coat hes wearing; he was a medic for most of the game. So yeah, I was playing with DeTrev from the future. Scary. 
And speaking of PGPs, I have two coming my way currently... ------------- 
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 17 July 2008 at 1:57am
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I want a PGP SO badly... Anyway, first thread updated! Warning: it's gonna be quite a read. ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 17 July 2008 at 2:10am
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That puppy is so cute ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: The Guy
Date Posted: 17 July 2008 at 2:44am
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how is that any different from a Zeus?
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 17 July 2008 at 2:58am
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The Warsensor and Ariakon markers are all proprietary. This one pretty much reads as follows: Spyder cupseal, Spyder valve spring, Spyder valve, Tippmann Pro-Lite mainspring and a CCI Phantom pierce pin. It's just a parts availability thing. ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: Styro Folme
Date Posted: 17 July 2008 at 3:13am
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looks pretty nice. It would be cool if you could tap it to use spyder threads. Or if it could take freak inserts. |
Posted By: Yomillio
Date Posted: 17 July 2008 at 7:07am
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Puppy is really cute.
Guns nice too. -------------
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Posted By: Robotech
Date Posted: 17 July 2008 at 12:10pm
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Oh boy. Warsensor/Armotech Zeus G1 pistol:
Your Miltec G1 pistol:
Sorry but they are the same marker. I have an Armotech Zeus G1 and an Ariakon ACP...2.0 converted from a 1.0. They are similar but not identical. These markers use the same parts you mentioned. I can get into the hows and whys with you but the short version is Miltec is the same company that was Armotech (WG/Zeus line not the SIM line) and is Warsensor. The Miltec MT65 was the Armotech WG65. The Miltec MT66 was the Warsensor WS66. The Mitec G1 is the Warsensor/Armotech Zeus G1. ------------- New to the sport? http://www.b17queenofthesky.com/paintball/index.html"> 
Proud owner of a WS-66 A-5 ACP |
Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 17 July 2008 at 12:32pm
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Wow. Sorry I offended you so terribly... But I do stand corrected. I went back and checked my facts. This marker is essentially the same as the Armotech. I got a little mixed up, sue me. It's compared to the Ariakons that this is more universal. ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: Robotech
Date Posted: 17 July 2008 at 4:27pm
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Sorry DeTrevni...didn't mean to make it sound that way...been bit of a rough day. LOL That and I was around during the "dark days" if you will when there was a TON of missinformation floating around about all the companies associated with Armotech. Ariakon's ACP is close but you're right, the Armotech line was designed more around existing technology. Hell, the detent on the WG/WS/MT series is off the old VM68! :) ------------- New to the sport? http://www.b17queenofthesky.com/paintball/index.html">
Proud owner of a WS-66 A-5 ACP |
Posted By: X-51
Date Posted: 19 July 2008 at 5:17pm
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Eleborate please, what do you mean by best suited for you're style of play? How would the Tac 8 interfere with your style? ------------- Once we clued in on the fact that life is finite, the thought of losing it didn't scare us anymore. The end comes no matter what, all that matters is how you wanna go out, on your feet or your knees? |
Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 21 July 2008 at 12:16am
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KK. First off: My setup = ~$150 spent. ComparableTac-8 setup = ~$350. Secondly, I know Spyder-based platforms inside and out. Third, Tac-8's are pretty much Automag based. This means when one rails the trigger (and let's face it, it happens time to time), one gets some hXc shoot-down. This doesn't happen with Spyder-based valves, even after the body is pretty much iced over. Fifthly, 10 shots and tube reloading and under-barrel CO2 > 8-shot magazine with difficult reloading. Sixthly, parts availability. Tac-8's are parts-exclusive. G1's can borrow parts from a plethora of other markers, from Kingman to CCI. Seventhly, I personally wouldn't hesitate to "operate" on this thing. I'm unfamiliar with 'Mags, and don't know what I'm doing with them. So a-there ya go! Oh, I now own a PGP. Thx. ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: X-51
Date Posted: 22 July 2008 at 6:14pm
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That's cool we just weren't getting a straight answer. I personally cannot stand the three barrel platform, it's not a pistol at that point to me, too much get's in the way. ------------- Once we clued in on the fact that life is finite, the thought of losing it didn't scare us anymore. The end comes no matter what, all that matters is how you wanna go out, on your feet or your knees? |
Posted By: USAF MP
Date Posted: 11 October 2008 at 4:56pm
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how much for the dog? ------------- So That Others May Live |
Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 11 October 2008 at 9:07pm
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I'm about to give the flippin' critter away. It is so annoying... Anyway, back to the PGP, the best thing I've ever done. I just got back from the field today. I brought 5 markers, from a Shocker to a Hurricane. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE BUGGERS BROKE DOWN. Except for my PGP. Not only did it work, it worked good. I played the best I've played in a long while with that little thing. That, and the K-Frame is pure win. <3. ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: Pariel
Date Posted: 12 October 2008 at 1:58pm
Someone hasn't been taking care of their markers. |
Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 12 October 2008 at 9:22pm
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... I mean really? ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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