Creatine
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Topic: Creatine
Posted By: AfricanAmerican
Subject: Creatine
Date Posted: 12 July 2008 at 3:15pm
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Yes or no? Explain Thanks <3 ------------- Do it again, and you're banned. |
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 12 July 2008 at 3:16pm
| No, be a real man. |
Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 12 July 2008 at 3:16pm
| There has been 57682891297234 threads about this before. |
Posted By: .357 Magnum
Date Posted: 12 July 2008 at 3:19pm
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Super repost question. I say no, do it the natural way/without supplements. ------------- 
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Posted By: WGP guy2
Date Posted: 12 July 2008 at 3:22pm
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choopie911 wrote:Posted By: AfricanAmerican
Date Posted: 12 July 2008 at 3:38pm
I WILL NOT TOLERATE ATTITUDE FROM YOU WHALE ------------- Do it again, and you're banned. |
Posted By: reifidom
Date Posted: 12 July 2008 at 3:40pm
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When I was using it it worked very well.
Note: Posting from my new blackberry. Love it. ------------- 
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Posted By: AfricanAmerican
Date Posted: 12 July 2008 at 3:43pm
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Don't you have to keep working out constantly or your muscles will go away fast?
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Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 12 July 2008 at 4:05pm
From what I know, yes. Why not gain muscle the natural way? ------------- 
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Posted By: AfricanAmerican
Date Posted: 12 July 2008 at 4:16pm
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I'm doing it now naturally. I was just looking to get more of my workouts ------------- Do it again, and you're banned. |
Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 12 July 2008 at 4:18pm
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Probably an obvious solution, but have you altered your diet at all? -------------
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Posted By: Pariel
Date Posted: 12 July 2008 at 4:26pm
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You realize creatine doesn't increase your muscle mass? It essentially increase the muscle size, but it doesn't make you stronger, except for the first three minutes or so of cardiovascular exercise. It can increase power output some small percentage for the first three minutes.
tl,dr: It isn't that useful, it just makes you look bigger. Either work for your big guns so you can be proud of them, or give up, because you're never gonna make it. |
Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 12 July 2008 at 4:28pm
<3 |
Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 12 July 2008 at 4:29pm
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Posted By: Brian Fellows
Date Posted: 12 July 2008 at 4:33pm
| CREATINE YEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH BRAH |
Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 12 July 2008 at 4:36pm
PROTEIN MAH! |
Posted By: DarkSideEchoes
Date Posted: 12 July 2008 at 7:27pm
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If you feel like pissing away your muscles once you get off your cycle then go right ahead. Creatine is not the way to go. I started bodybuilding a year ago and have used only whey protein and on occasion Nitric Oxide powder. I have gone from 157 to 175lbs. That's just muscle mass, too. ------------- 
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Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 12 July 2008 at 11:10pm
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Is it painful for you three when you talk out of your respective asses? ------------- Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo |
Posted By: unvolution
Date Posted: 12 July 2008 at 11:41pm
only the ones who are truly weak find easy solutions to get strong |
Posted By: Heres To You
Date Posted: 12 July 2008 at 11:41pm
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Haha, I love people who act like creatines a steroid. Regardless, for those of you who say do it natural, feel free to post pics of yourself. Or better yet, anyone who did it without at least using a protein supplement, which is naturally found in meat like creatine. And lol at the guy bashing creatine but trying to rep NO. ------------- |
Posted By: .357 Magnum
Date Posted: 12 July 2008 at 11:54pm
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I haven't keep up on lifting once school let out like I would have liked to, but I never use supplements, and each week I would surpass my expected weight/reps. (worked out and had to chart it every day)
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Posted By: Predatorr
Date Posted: 13 July 2008 at 1:31am
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Honestly, Creatine will give you the results you want, and faster. But the problem with it being unnatural is your joints not being able to handle the unnatural, speedy increase of your muscle's abilities. That leads to torn ACL's and whatnot. I'd stick to just eating right, taking whey, and a multivitamin; it's a system that rarely fails. Along with working out daily of course. Also, getting on a Creatine system, or most supplement systems give you diarrhea for like a week...not worth it for me, I stick to my little system above. |
Posted By: ¤ Råp¡Ð F¡rè ¤
Date Posted: 13 July 2008 at 2:34am
QFT. And your kidneys will love you for not using creatine, which just fills up your muscles with lots of water. ------------- 
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Posted By: little devil
Date Posted: 13 July 2008 at 6:51am
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I like it, I also worked out for several years without it but seriously messed my self up riding and have been using it to help get back to where I was. -edit- On a sorta related note though, after I was done using it I got mistaken as a bouncer at a club, so me and my buddies decided to use this to our advantage and charged peeps as they came in. Free drinks that night lol. |
Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 13 July 2008 at 9:13am
I don't care one way or the other about creatine, but this is probably the second most meatheaded response you could have given. The first would have been challenging him to a bench-press off. |
Posted By: AfricanAmerican
Date Posted: 13 July 2008 at 12:22pm
That is what I've been doing daily. I've been making whey protein shakes before and after every workout, every day, for the past three or four weeks at least. ------------- Do it again, and you're banned. |
Posted By: Heres To You
Date Posted: 13 July 2008 at 3:04pm
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Posted By: Heres To You
Date Posted: 13 July 2008 at 3:27pm
I thought it would go without saying, but it was more of trying to prove a point than actually getting someone to post a picture. Because honestly, would you believe and take advice from an obese personal trainer? No offense to you, but it kind of hard to listen to someone if they don't practice what they preach? But I do see where you and everyones coming from, you can workout and become in shape and active, but most people who ask about creatine are concerned with building muscle, something most people on this forum really don't know alot about. And to whoever said creatine mono gave them diahrrea. That only happens with dilluted creatine mono. If the mono you get is unaltered then you won't get that. Regardless, most people are using creatine ethyl ester now anyway, not creatine monohydrate. Theres not as heavy water retention with CEE. ------------- |
Posted By: .357 Magnum
Date Posted: 13 July 2008 at 4:07pm
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To those who use Creatine, what made you start ? Were you unable to gain muscle on your own ? I've always just pushed myself hard. I never take it easy while working out and it seems to pay off nicely.
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Posted By: Heres To You
Date Posted: 13 July 2008 at 6:22pm
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357, How long have you been lifting? And what are your stats, meaning height and weight and bodyfat?
I'm not saying its impossible to gain muscle without the use of supplements, i'm just saying it's rare. ------------- |
Posted By: Pariel
Date Posted: 13 July 2008 at 6:26pm
Go study some anatomy/biology, then get back to me. Do you have any clue how the Kreb's cycle works? And for your information, my knowledge comes from my coaching by US National Rowing team athletes and coaches. I just so happen to row out of their boathouse, and I've been coached by members of the team for the past 3 years. Creatine does not significantly increase any athlete's ability to create or build muscle--reference the 3 minutes. After those three minutes, all that creatine your body has stored up has no effect whatsoever, because you've already used it. If it did, it would almost certainly be a banned substance in actual sports, like cycling and running. As I said before, all creatine does is make you look bigger, because it allows you to store slightly more water in your muscles. If you knew anything about the Kreb's cycle, you'd know that usaf, but apparently you never paid attention in biology. So, why don't you stop talking out of your ass, usaf, and start actually showing some facts.
Where are you hanging out, the football locker room? All it takes is actual effort--going and lifting every day. |
Posted By: You Wont See Me
Date Posted: 13 July 2008 at 6:41pm
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Posted By: Pariel
Date Posted: 13 July 2008 at 6:48pm
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Anyone who says something like that is only lifting as a form of body-abuse.
Lifting itself is not exercise. Get that through your head. Unless you somehow turn it into cardio, lifting by itself is never enough to keep you in healthy shape. |
Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 13 July 2008 at 7:17pm
Plus I think there is a big difference between staying in healthy shape and "building muscle." I can't help but think that so much of it is simply aesthetics. My dad power-lifted for two decades, and as he has explained to me, there is a reason that the guys you see in the World's Strongest Man competitions don't look super ripped and toned. |
Posted By: Heres To You
Date Posted: 13 July 2008 at 7:19pm
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So lifting is now body abuse?
And seriously, for those of you who think of supplements as "hardcore" and such, feel free to post a picture of yourself. I will genuinely be interested in any gains you have made without any supplements. I have pics from my bodyfat at 8% and 180lbs to 13% at 205lbs. Also, feel free to post any studies on whatever supplement you choose if you would like. I've got stuides saved from the boston journal or medicine that state that steroids done in MODERATE dosages in males 21 to 35 saved on my comp. It would really be cool to see some that prove supplements dangerous. ------------- |
Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 13 July 2008 at 7:22pm
Makes me laugh just as hard the second time around. |
Posted By: Uncle Rudder
Date Posted: 13 July 2008 at 7:46pm
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It's like this....except your skipping a bunch of steps.
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Posted By: Pariel
Date Posted: 13 July 2008 at 7:50pm
Let's get this straight. I lift 3 times a week for an hour in-season. Lifting by itself is abusing your body. Lifting as part of an overall health/strength plan is fine. But trying to get to the point where you can benchpress 250 pounds just for the hell of it will leave you with serious damage to your joints. That's what I mean by body abuse.
I'm 6' 2", 190 pounds, and I honestly don't know what my bodyfat is. I'd guess <4%, but that's coming straight out my butt.
You never finished the sentence about steroids. Supplements aren't dangerous; don't put words in my mouth. But the way you treat your body can be. |
Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 13 July 2008 at 7:50pm
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Oh god. Don't remind me of that crap.
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Posted By: Pariel
Date Posted: 13 July 2008 at 7:52pm
I was so impressed until you said "your" for "you're". But this isn't really the point either. |
Posted By: youm0nt
Date Posted: 13 July 2008 at 8:37pm
| CELL TECH BRAHH..7 POUNDS IN 7 DAYS. |
Posted By: Predatorr
Date Posted: 13 July 2008 at 8:50pm
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Pariel: Finally, another forumer who rows! I've been doing erg training and going trail riding for ten miles every day. I'm wondering what kind of weight training you do with rowing... Also, my friend does creatine monohydrate, and he says it works well when he uses it, and he mostly uses it when it's been a while since he's lifted...correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that the wrong way to use creatine? |
Posted By: little devil
Date Posted: 13 July 2008 at 9:12pm
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Posted By: .357 Magnum
Date Posted: 13 July 2008 at 9:23pm
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Little Devil, I always noticed working out also really relived stress for me. It really relaxed me.
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Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 13 July 2008 at 11:51pm
250 pounds? Larger people can do that with little to no work. ------------- Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo |
Posted By: Brian Fellows
Date Posted: 13 July 2008 at 11:58pm
It'd make them more prone to injury. |
Posted By: Pariel
Date Posted: 14 July 2008 at 12:16am
I agree, but most people cannot, and should not, be doing workout reps of 250 pounds. That much weight does permanent damage to your skeletal system, and your joints. I'm not against people lifting 250 pounds, but I am saying that lifting in and of itself is not a healthy method to get in shape. Nor should it be the only part of any healthy training regimen. There's no reason to go to the gym to lift all the time just to max weight; it's not good for you, and unless you're competing in weight lifting competitions, there's no real reason to. I am all for weight lifting, but people take it way too far these days.
I know a lot of people talk about creatine loading, but I think some studies proved that it's unnecessary. Read http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/willbrink19.htm - this link. My normal weight training workout is: 50 seconds on, 10 seconds off; rotate stations. Max reps in that time. Repeat the rotation 3 times, no breaks. In no particular order... -Box jumps (jump up onto a box...) -Military press -Bench press -Ball pushups (pushups on a big inflatable yoga ball) -Bench pull -Pushups -Situps -Pull ups -Wall-ball (throw a medicine ball either against a wall and catch it, or, normally, up in the air. The up in the air version helps your legs a lot more: start seated on a medicine ball, with your arms holding the ball in a V-shape against your chest. As you throw the ball into the air, you lift both your arms and legs. Keep moving the whole time, don't stop to catch the ball or drop onto the ball on the ground. Good exercise.) -There's another one or two things we sometimes throw in, this is all I can think of right now. Normally we have 11 stations; but if you're doing them alone, just try to work each msucle you can think of at least once. Generally when I do just straight lifting I do: 3 sets, trying to keep less than 20 seconds between ending one exercise and starting the next. -Leg press -Bench press -Bench pull -Tricep extensions -Seated row -Quad extensions -Hamstring curls -Hamstring extensions |
Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 14 July 2008 at 12:22am
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Pariel, dude, bro, brah, just post pics of yourself bro.
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Posted By: Heres To You
Date Posted: 14 July 2008 at 12:26am
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First off, powerlifting is not body abuse, if you take care of your body, you will be fine. Why do you think they are some 50 year old bodybuilders who don't have any joint problems and some 50 year old computer egineer who can barely walk. Its all on how well you take care of yourself.
And they're is absolutely no way your at 4% bf, you would be absolutely stacked at 190 lbs. Bodybuilders who compete and are on stage normally compete arond 4 to 5%. Predatorr. Creatine is actually meant to cycle, just like any supplement, your body will build up a tolerance. Also, I have never heard nor seen anything that suggest drinking with creatine makes you more likely to be angry or drunker or whatever. Creatine isn't valium. ------------- |
Posted By: Pariel
Date Posted: 14 July 2008 at 12:36am
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As I said, pulling it out of my ass.
I thought average was male athlete fat percentage was 2%-5%. Obviously way off. Anyway, low. But probably somewhere between 6% and 14%, based on http://www.sport-fitness-advisor.com/bodyfatpercentage.html - this website. I just completed by longest break from working out in the past 2 years, which was 4 weeks as of today, so I'm probably pushing 10% now. And most people will do serious damage to their bodies powerlifting. It's just a fact: bodies are not meant to hold that much weight, especially not often. I'll give it to you, I'm sure there's guys out there who have been doing it for years and are fine. But I'd there are more people who have scars from it, whether through their own lack of knowledge and bad training techniques, or because their bodies simply aren't meant to handle it. And obviously not working out at all can be just as bad for you. But my point is that there is somewhere in between the point of working out to the extent of injuring your body, and not working out to the point of injuring your body. |
Posted By: little devil
Date Posted: 14 July 2008 at 12:37am
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Posted By: Pariel
Date Posted: 14 July 2008 at 12:37am
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And my crappy DSL somehow leads to a double post.
So, I will use this to show you pictures of myself: Before I rowed: 
Now: Yeah, I was too lazy to even edit that second image not to be an ad anymore. |
Posted By: .357 Magnum
Date Posted: 14 July 2008 at 12:57am
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Pariel, the pics, they no workey.
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Posted By: Heres To You
Date Posted: 14 July 2008 at 7:35am
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Pics don't work for me. But I'm on staff duty now either so i couldnt post until i got home anyway :( ------------- |
Posted By: Pariel
Date Posted: 14 July 2008 at 8:02am
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Yeah, they should be working, but they're not.
I'm over it now--they weren't actually pictures of me. |
Posted By: Heres To You
Date Posted: 15 July 2008 at 5:46am
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Ok, I'm back home, let the debate continue.
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