Bush approves death penalty for Army PVT
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Topic: Bush approves death penalty for Army PVT
Posted By: GI JOES SON
Subject: Bush approves death penalty for Army PVT
Date Posted: 28 July 2008 at 9:55pm
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,392982,00.html - discuss if the evidence mounts to it, 4 murders and 8 rapes is enough for me to whack the guy. |
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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 28 July 2008 at 9:57pm
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Good. ------------- 
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Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 28 July 2008 at 10:01pm
Good. One less sicko out there.
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Article wrote:Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 28 July 2008 at 10:04pm
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Screw the death penalty in any case.
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Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 28 July 2008 at 10:04pm
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Posted By: blackdog144
Date Posted: 28 July 2008 at 10:17pm
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i 100% approve of the death penalty.
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Posted By: Monk
Date Posted: 28 July 2008 at 10:21pm
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"raping, robbing and
attempting to kill Army Pvt. Mary Ann Lang Nameth in her barracks at
Fort Bragg on Jan. 3, 1987. She testified against Gray during the
court-martial and identified him as her assailant. Gray raped her and
stabbed her several times in the neck and side. Nameth suffered a
laceration of the trachea and a collapsed or punctured lung." I vote new Bad ass of the month, shes a freakin beast! |
Posted By: techietaichi
Date Posted: 28 July 2008 at 10:27pm
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Lethal injection is too nice. Set oven to 350.
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Posted By: Predatorr
Date Posted: 28 July 2008 at 10:44pm
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He deserves some awful death. |
Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 28 July 2008 at 11:17pm
Word. ------------- 
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Posted By: Beil
Date Posted: 28 July 2008 at 11:18pm
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make sure to use pam so he doesn't stick!!!! j/k in all seriousness, i say you let him live. Don't get me wrong, I'd totally approve of sticking this guy on "Ol' Sparky" and seeing how many amps he can take, or seeing how bullet-proof a criminal really is. but i've heard that convicts in the grey bar hotel tend to take a special, uh...."liking" to rapists/child molesters when they find out what they did. If i were the judge, id let Big Bruno and his posse down in the slammer mash him up for a few years. he deserves to be physically, emotionally, and psychologically beat down repeatedly. I might not be the sharpest tool in the box, but one thing i'd never do, under ANY circumstance, is hit a woman. ------------- I do it fast, slow, hard, and easy. I sometimes even do it in the woods. Yeah, I'm a runner. |
Posted By: .357 Magnum
Date Posted: 28 July 2008 at 11:32pm
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He deserves it.
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Posted By: PaiNTbALLfReNzY
Date Posted: 29 July 2008 at 9:53am
I agree. He probably would have gotten life in prison if it was only one murder. Four is pretty much serial-killer status, and to even have those guys alive is a threat. If they put him in solitary confinement for the rest of his life with no parole, I'd be ok with it. |
Posted By: XDG SCORPION
Date Posted: 29 July 2008 at 10:39am
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 29 July 2008 at 11:31am
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Posted By: MeanMan
Date Posted: 29 July 2008 at 1:38pm
I laughed. ------------- 
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Posted By: t_hop
Date Posted: 29 July 2008 at 1:49pm
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NO, i think he should die. Beil: why not kill him, and send him to Hell? ------------- "I'm here to kick ass and chew bubblegum, and I'm all out of bubblegum." |
Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 29 July 2008 at 1:56pm
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Think of it like this. You are a Shepard. You're job is to protect your sheep. Now imagine that a wolf comes and is stabbing and raping your sheep. As the Shepard, its your duty to kill the wolf and protect the sheep. Its not because you hate the wolf or are angry, its for the good of the sheep. -------------
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Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 29 July 2008 at 2:00pm
Been in prison since 1988 ------------- 
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Posted By: oreomann33
Date Posted: 29 July 2008 at 2:24pm
Because it's that simple. And keeping the wolf in a cage for the rest of it's life would protect the sheep just as much. ------------- 
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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 29 July 2008 at 2:32pm
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The point has been made dozens of times on this forum that to sentence someone to death (disregarding moral/ethical arguments) one would need to have 100% faith in the judicial system to do so. However, the system is obviously flawed, since people on death row have been found innocent in many cases. If the system has been showed to fail, how can we trust a human being's life to it? I'm sorry, but I don't see how another person has the authority to end another person's life. The death penalty is state-sanctioned murder. People will refute my argument by saying that it is justified since it's for the greater good, and that innocent guy that gets killed is a price we have to pay for justice and it sucks for him but whatever. That logic scares the hell out of me. ------------- irc.esper.net #paintball |
Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 29 July 2008 at 2:50pm
Killing the wolf is a 100% guaranty* it will not return to force intercourse on the sheep or kill them. Locking it in a cage is not 100%. I'd rather be dead than in a cage for the rest of my life, but that is just me. * This is of course barring the idea that you accidentally bury it in a pet cemetery and it comes back. -------------
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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 29 July 2008 at 4:22pm
Truth, you'll always get some idiot to open the cage. ------------- ? |
Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 29 July 2008 at 4:31pm
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The wolf analogy is dumb.
If we made laws on the basis logic of people = animals, that would be bad. |
Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 29 July 2008 at 5:06pm
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People ARE animals. Its science. ------------- ? |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 29 July 2008 at 5:21pm
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There have been too many wrongfull convictions for me to support the death penalty.
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Posted By: Beil
Date Posted: 29 July 2008 at 5:40pm
most of the time, cowards like this person want to be killed. it's the easy way out, just like these wastes of chromosomes who shoot up schools and then shoot themselves. I'm almost always a supporter of an eye for an eye....Karma. If i screw up when I know better, I expect people to call me out on it and i accept responsibility. Oh wow, so his life is over---considering that the way they are "put down" is ridiculously humane. lethal injection is more or less a bunch of muscle relaxers coupled with drugs to stop your heart. all you see is them slowly pass away. where's the justice in that? the victims were beaten and killed - brutally - and one even survived... why should he deserve anything better? at least if you're going to kill him, do it right. the punishment should fit the crime. ------------- I do it fast, slow, hard, and easy. I sometimes even do it in the woods. Yeah, I'm a runner. |
Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 29 July 2008 at 5:47pm
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I think what a lot of you pro-capital punishment people fail to realize is that our justice exists for justice. Justice and revenge are not the same thing. Can we move out of the middle ages?
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Posted By: Beil
Date Posted: 29 July 2008 at 5:56pm
In my opinion, "Justice" means definition #5 from dictionary.com: "the administering of deserved punishment or reward" He doesn't deserve the humane-ness or dignity of lethal injection. This is not revenge. ------------- I do it fast, slow, hard, and easy. I sometimes even do it in the woods. Yeah, I'm a runner. |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 29 July 2008 at 6:00pm
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Your opinion would be wrong.
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Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 29 July 2008 at 6:05pm
Opinion's can't be wrong because they are not statements of fact. n00b -------------
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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 29 July 2008 at 6:08pm
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That's where you're wrong.
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 29 July 2008 at 6:22pm
What's the difference? So what if we kill him, it's just a life. What's the big deal? ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell" 
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Posted By: TheWrAith
Date Posted: 29 July 2008 at 6:34pm
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I figured everyone here would have agreed with Da Hui's post, about the Flock of Sheep, it's a perfect representation of what is Right... .. I don't want to type a full page worth... We have rapist, murderers, phyco's, you know what we do with most of them? we give them their own room, we give them T.v, we give them clean sheets and a bed to always come back to, we give them 2-3 warm meals a day, to Rapist, Murderers and Theives... While children Starve to death, Die from desease, and have no home to go to... Saying you're totally 100% against the death penalty means you simply have not seen enough, when someone gets enjoyment from throwing a cat into a furness just to watch it burn, or has someone praying to god they will let him go, crying, so the guy says Ok, we'll wait 30 minutes, and if you're god shows up ill let you live... or has let Rats eat his victims alive... These are Real stories from a true phyco "IceMan" , who did infact get the Death Penalty and Deserved it, if you disagree with that, then I have nothing more to say to you... Ponder on why they called him the IceMan.. ------------- Black*1* then*1* White Are*2* All I see*3* in my infancy*5* red and yellow then came to be*8* reaching out to me*5* lets me see*3* Swing on the Spiral= 1,1,2,3,5,8,13,8,5,3,2,1 |
Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 29 July 2008 at 6:37pm
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Worst statement of the entire thread. I have seen plenty, which is why I'm completely against the death penalty. |
Posted By: TheWrAith
Date Posted: 29 July 2008 at 6:40pm
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*Yay I got worst statement of the entire thread my fail went up 10+* Like I said if you 100% do not believe in the death penalty no matter what crimes the person has been accused of or the evidence to prove it, then I have nothing left to say to you... ------------- Black*1* then*1* White Are*2* All I see*3* in my infancy*5* red and yellow then came to be*8* reaching out to me*5* lets me see*3* Swing on the Spiral= 1,1,2,3,5,8,13,8,5,3,2,1 |
Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 29 July 2008 at 6:54pm
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The death penalty has no place in a contemporary society. Unfortunately we are a ways behind the European Union. |
Posted By: Rambino
Date Posted: 29 July 2008 at 7:08pm
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Was it this guy?
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Posted By: TheWrAith
Date Posted: 29 July 2008 at 7:19pm
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No not that guy, ... but he is commited to the name eh... Iceman was a nickname given to Richard Kuklinksi, he was known for cutting up the people he was sent to kill and freezing their bodies, for what I don't know been to long sense i've seen the HBO interviews... he spilled everything he ever did, he was on deathrow no reason not to, talked about all the unspeakable things he did.. He even said he heard rumors that Jimmy Hoffa was shot, put in a oil drum, put in the back of a car, had the car crushed, and then sent over sea's, he said it was just a rumor tho.. He was a Hitman by the way... Also this side of him was kept secret to his family and friends, they had no idea untill he was finally caught... p.s a Quote from the sick sob... "Assassin?... that sounds so exotic, I was just a murderer..." ------------- Black*1* then*1* White Are*2* All I see*3* in my infancy*5* red and yellow then came to be*8* reaching out to me*5* lets me see*3* Swing on the Spiral= 1,1,2,3,5,8,13,8,5,3,2,1 |
Posted By: Rambino
Date Posted: 29 July 2008 at 7:49pm
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Well that's just silly. Jimmy Hoffa is buried at the Giants' stadium. ------------- [IMG]http://i38.tinypic.com/aag8s8.jpg"> |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 29 July 2008 at 8:45pm
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Posted By: mamasboi
Date Posted: 30 July 2008 at 3:46am
i lol'd |
Posted By: Snipa69
Date Posted: 30 July 2008 at 5:13am
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Benji, I ask this merely to hear your thoughts on it. But if you feel so strongly against one human having the right to take the life of another, what do you say about the human who killed (or in another term 'took the life' of another to even be put in jail) let alone face the death penalty? ------------- http://imageshack.us - [IMG - http://img456.imageshack.us/img456/857/sig9ac6cs1mj.jpg - |
Posted By: Tolgak
Date Posted: 30 July 2008 at 5:33am
Because there`s no such thing. I agree with letting him rot in prison instead of ending his life (which is the easy way out). Non-rapist criminals hate rapists. Put him in a relatively low-security prison with life prisoners. It`s the closest to hell we can give him. ------------- 
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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 30 July 2008 at 6:37am
Yes there is. Now what? ------------- ? |
Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 30 July 2008 at 8:11am
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Ramb, Mythbusters says he isn't there, so he can't be. The TV would never lie.
Jail .vs Death, why dick around with jail. Seriously. It is taking my tax money to keep those asses with a roof, 3 meals a day and health care. There are generally law abiding people who don't have houses and would benifit from the money better. 5.56mm = $0.55 per round, retail and problem solved forever. KBK |
Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 30 July 2008 at 8:27am
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How much does it cost for food, shelter and medical treatment for a killer doing a life sentence? $.55 seems cost effective to me. But, one little suggestion, have the vitims families be the one to pull the trigger. "eye for and eye" if you will. ------------- Innocence proves nothing FUAC!!!!! |
Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 30 July 2008 at 8:40am
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An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind. -Bill Cosby -------------
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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 30 July 2008 at 8:42am
Huh? ------------- 
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Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 30 July 2008 at 10:16am
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Posted By: reifidom
Date Posted: 30 July 2008 at 10:20am
Or some dude named Ghandi. Whiner really. Cosby would kick the snot out of him. ------------- 
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 30 July 2008 at 10:39am
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That good ole' cliche ranks right up there with "Adam and Steve." People who spout "eye for an eye" should look at the other places that believe in retributive justice. Iran for example. The death penalty is so extremely flawed that private organizations had to be formed to help the innocent because the government is way too stubborn to admit it doesn't work. |
Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 30 July 2008 at 11:51am
I really don't understand what you're asking. Maybe if you rephrased your question, I'd be able to better give my views on it. That said, I am opposed to the death penalty in all cases involved. I don't believe that any human, or institution, has the capacity to decide that another human deserves to die. This is coming from a complete atheist, mind you. The death penalty is not a deterrent to crime. It is not cheaper than life in prison, due to court fees and the appeals process. Innocent people HAVE been sentenced to death. How many have been wrongfully executed, I do not know, but with eye witness evidence being notoriously unreliable, the number could be significant. If you lock someone up in jail and then find out that they were actually innocent, at least they can be compensated and let go to spend whatever time they have left with their families. If someone is killed, and they are found to be innocent after the fact, it is irreversible. The possibility of death of innocent people, no matter how few, should be enough reason to throw out capital punishment. I don't care if 1 innocent person is executed for every 10^6 criminals, the risk is too high. As a civilized society, we should be able to realize that. Saying that it is a risk we must take for the greater good is a terrible argument to make that seriously devalues human life. We are one of the only developed countries in the world that still uses capital punishment. The U.S. is 5th in the world in number of executions per year. Here is the list:
Violence does not solve violence. Revenge is not a part of the justice system. The death penalty devalues human life. ------------- irc.esper.net #paintball |
Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 30 July 2008 at 12:02pm
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No, it ENDS human life, if done properly.
Surely the same costs are incurred by a life in prison sentence, as they will be appealed as well. So that is a totally moot point. It's the execution of the sentence that makes it more cost effective. I also don't agree that any human has the right to decide if someone lives or dies, unlawfully. However the murderer has given up his right to life when he broke social laws and killed someone illegally. However a legally responsible body of people who have been mandated by the laws of the country to have the power of life and death are definately legally allowed to end someone's life. If something is a threat it should be removed from scociety. Prison does not remove them, only confine them. KBK |
Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 30 July 2008 at 12:05pm
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23. That is the number of people executed to be later proven with absolute innocence. That is a large number. |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 30 July 2008 at 12:09pm
And those are just the ones you know about. ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: Snipa69
Date Posted: 30 July 2008 at 1:03pm
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I don't understand how that is really a confusing question but I'll try again. You don't think people should have the right to say when another person should die. What gives a murderer the right to do the same as the people who sentence him/her to death? ------------- http://imageshack.us - [IMG - http://img456.imageshack.us/img456/857/sig9ac6cs1mj.jpg - |
Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 30 July 2008 at 1:07pm
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Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 30 July 2008 at 1:09pm
I saw Bruce Springsteen at Jimmy Hoffa's grave! Edit: Skillet, people have two eyes, so we wont be blind. Problem Solved.
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Posted By: Pariel
Date Posted: 30 July 2008 at 1:10pm
Nothing. Which is exactly the point: eye for an eye does not work. Want some examples? The gang violence tearing apart Newark, Camden, Trenton, LA, hell, any number of cities in this country. Eye for an eye is not justice, it's idiocy. *EDIT* Regardless of time stamps, I didn't read Benji's post before making this one. |
Posted By: Snipa69
Date Posted: 30 July 2008 at 1:14pm
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Keep in mind im asking purely out of curiosity here, as I keep my own opinions on this matter to myself. So we have settled that there is "nothing" by the two of you that gives one person the right to take a life of another. Lets to a little roll playing. You are the president (god forbid it ever happens ;-) ) and must come up with a reasonable/fair way to punish murderers who would otherwise be sentenced to death. What might you come up with? ------------- http://imageshack.us - [IMG - http://img456.imageshack.us/img456/857/sig9ac6cs1mj.jpg - |
Posted By: t_hop
Date Posted: 30 July 2008 at 1:15pm
i see what you're saying, wouldn't it be interesting if they still held regular hangings? doesn't texas have something about hangings ------------- "I'm here to kick ass and chew bubblegum, and I'm all out of bubblegum." |
Posted By: Pariel
Date Posted: 30 July 2008 at 1:21pm
The US justice system needs a serious overhaul. I'd worry about that first. There's no possibility of convicting only actual murderers/other criminals in the current system. It's not based on truth, but statistics (ie: most likely situation; circumstantial evidence), and money. When a black man in Trenton is accused of a crime and gets a public defender two years out of law school, while a white-collar criminal who stole millions of dollars gets the best lawyers in the country, there's an obvious problem without justice system. Especially when the black man goes to jail for life, and the white guy gets off scot free. But to answer your question more directly: life in prison. Yes, it's expensive. Yes, there are more useful ways to spend the money. But, until I think of something better, it's the only humane option. |
Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 30 July 2008 at 1:24pm
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Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 30 July 2008 at 1:29pm
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Take all the prisoners and put them in a big wheel and have them run in shifts. Use the energy created from this big wheel to create electric power. -------------
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 30 July 2008 at 1:46pm
Nothing. Since when did we want the same morals for our justice system as a murderer would have? ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 30 July 2008 at 2:14pm
Because quoting GANG VIOLENCE is the perfect example of justice. That isn't justice it is revenge. Removing criminal element from scociety isn't revenge, it is removing the people who will not live by our norms. One to the head. Or 4 to the chest from a firing squad. Carl, it isn't the same set of morals a murderer has, it is a legal process that follows strict guidelines, with review. When was the last time a murderer posted the rules and the consequences for the public to see? Conform to the laws or get zapped. Not that hard.... KBK |
Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 30 July 2008 at 2:31pm
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I'm still waiting for a pro-capital punishment person to argue against the 23 confirmed innocent people that have been executed wrongfully. Or is that a valid price to pay?
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Posted By: Pariel
Date Posted: 30 July 2008 at 2:41pm
My point exactly. Our "system of justice" is just revenge. This is entirely unsatisfactory.
Because I'm sure you've never broken the law. The justice system is broken:
It's no more effective than gang killers in stopping violence. Until you can guarantee that every man/woman you put to death is guilty, you can't allow the death penalty. There is NOTHING more sacred than a human life. PERIOD. Just wondering, do you support a woman's right to choose, KBK? *EDIT* I keep posting right behind Benji, whose post I never see because I'm working off a cached page...gar. |
Posted By: Thor
Date Posted: 30 July 2008 at 3:31pm
It is an absolutely valid price to pay considering the history of the world. Although people may think that a crime-free utopia will someday exist, these are the same people who are ignorant of human nature. Life is suffering and sacrifice, and society is all for the greater good of our people. 23 innocent victims is harsh, and disturbing, but for the amount of truly evil people brought to true justice, it is an acceptable loss ratio. Do not be fooled by our highly overrated "civilisation", we are all animals at heart, no one can help that, and these types of things are required to keep balance. Although capital punishment may not always serve as a deterrent (of which, is not known for certain is true or false), it does serve as a release and a sense of right for the society which carries it out. For those who wish to abide by the law of men will continue to do so, without wavering, by the thought that those who are outside our norms are being punished in what is deemed the harshest means possible, the revocation of the permission to live amongst lawful people. Jail just creates a sub-culture and sub-society. And the thought that a murderer or rapist is surrounded by others of his kind in which he can be happy and relate to others is terrible. Only in recent history have jails of this size been put into place. It has always been that a rapist/murderer/thief was one of a kind, or a very small band thereof, and could hope for no more than to be hunted down and be destroyed. Now, we bunch these creatures in one giant place (otherwise known as a society) and let them relate to one another. We abide by rules so that we may continue our pursuit of happiness, and judge harshly those who do nothing to help our people along this path. We gain righteousness by seeing those who could do harm be punished. That is my opinion on why fighting fire with fire is the best answer. ------------- A second class drive is always better than a first class walk. |
Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 30 July 2008 at 3:33pm
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Those 23 people disagree with you. If you were wrongfully convicted and put on death row, would you view it as a valid price to pay?
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Posted By: Thor
Date Posted: 30 July 2008 at 3:37pm
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Try to see it from an objective point of view.
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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 30 July 2008 at 3:47pm
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Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 30 July 2008 at 3:50pm
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NUKE THE PRISONS KILL 'EM ALL THIS IS 'MERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!  -------------
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 30 July 2008 at 3:54pm
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One of the best comments made yet. Have you looked into getting involved on your campus? Ohio is a pretty big state in terms of the groups fighting the death penalty. It's pretty fulfilling. |
Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 30 July 2008 at 4:07pm
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Posted By: Rambino
Date Posted: 30 July 2008 at 4:09pm
And yet you failed to elect Subodh Chandra to AG last time around. A good man who would have done good work. I figure you got what you deserved with Dann instead. :P ------------- [IMG]http://i38.tinypic.com/aag8s8.jpg"> |
Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 30 July 2008 at 4:14pm
Yes, completely aware of that. But then again we are the home of Tom Noe and Bob Taft. |
Posted By: Pariel
Date Posted: 30 July 2008 at 4:17pm
Exactly the point. I agree 100%. I would absolutely love to kill all the murderers. But it's not my job to make judgements, in this life or the next. |
Posted By: Rambino
Date Posted: 30 July 2008 at 4:19pm
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Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 30 July 2008 at 4:24pm
Lets see, how many people have I murdered in cold blood.... Oh wait, NONE. How many people have I raped..... again, the answer is none. Wow. Lookit that. Who'da thunk it. How many times have I broken the law? Well there is the time I was speeding and got a ticket. Guess I didn't conform and got zapped. Same with the parking tickets, the late registration fines, the late taxes, the other speeding tickets, talking on my phone whlie driving..... Hmmmm see the trend? I did the crime, and I did the time. Whats so hard to understand. If you break the law with a serious enough offence you get the death penalty. It really is a matter of taking responsibility for the matter. 23 dead innocents, Shock Horror. How many victims were saved because true murderers were topped? Thousands of innocent people die in road accidents, lets stop people driving. No one has come up with a better solution besides stick them in a prison and let them fester. I do like the idea about the big wheel though. It has merit. Hard labour. You should have to earn your rights to a roof and 3 meals a day. Get enough credit and you can get taken off hard labour. Pro choice? Yes. No one has proven the cognitive ability or sentience of a foetus. Are you anti birth control? KBK |
Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 30 July 2008 at 4:26pm
I had been in that store quite a bit, still pass it on some of my drives. |
Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 30 July 2008 at 4:37pm
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Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 30 July 2008 at 4:39pm
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o hai guyz. indie peoplez against death penalty.  -------------
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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 30 July 2008 at 4:40pm
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How about you stop making an ass of yourself and log off the forum for awhile? Hopefully permanently.
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Posted By: Pariel
Date Posted: 30 July 2008 at 4:48pm
So the people who didn't do the crime, should have to pay for it, because you paid for your's? That makes a lot of sense.
23 people we know for a fact died who were innocent, because of failures of the justice system. That doesn't mean there aren't more. Accidents are called that for a reason, every year new laws are made to reduce the number of car accidents. I'm suggesting the same thing for the justice system.
I agree. Inmates sitting around in a prison aren't helping anyone.
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Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 30 July 2008 at 4:53pm
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Benji, taking things a little too seriously are we? Also, abortion is murder. -------------
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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 30 July 2008 at 4:55pm
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Abortion is murder, yet capital punishment isn't? Well that's interesting.
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Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 30 July 2008 at 4:57pm
Killing a baby is far different from killing an psychotic rapist and murderer. -------------
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Posted By: Pariel
Date Posted: 30 July 2008 at 4:58pm
Why is every person convicted of murder "a psychotic rapist and murderer"? |
Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 30 July 2008 at 5:01pm
I was using the person who the thread was originally about as an example. Perhaps I should have made that more clear in my original post.
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Posted By: Beil
Date Posted: 30 July 2008 at 5:19pm
you reeeeeeally aren't going there, are you? edit: learn how to spell fetus.... ------------- I do it fast, slow, hard, and easy. I sometimes even do it in the woods. Yeah, I'm a runner. |
Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 30 July 2008 at 5:47pm
Oh dear God you did not just call me out on my spelling did you?
Learn to be educated. Pariel, nowhere did I say those who are innocent should pay for the crimes of the guilty. I said those who break the law should be punished. If it is a law which carries the death penalty, then it should stand as such. Criminals DO break out of prison. Maybe it doesn't happen much, but it does happen. Rapists are released and do it again, murderers escape or are released and kill again. I have yet to hear from anyone escaping from being dead. It is a final solution, and I'm not saying everyone charged with a crime should be killed, I am saying that when it has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt then it should be implimented. Seriously, do you honestly think that taking an innocent man and locking him up in a jail isn't going to destroy that person's life just as much as if you kill him outright? The man who is eventually released from prison won't be the same person you sent in. The innocent man is destroyed anyway. Bemjichang, every time a policeman shoots a person with his service weapon, the goverment is killing people in the name of the taxpayer. Hell the American troops in the middle east are killing innocent people in the taxpayers name. Mistakes happen. It is unfortunate when it does, and it is not excuseable, but they do happen. There are over 6 BILLION people on this planet. The food and water supply is already showing signs of failing and you want to feed and house these people who's only contribution to scociety is to prey on it? You are seriously out of whack..... KBK |
Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 30 July 2008 at 5:47pm
I didn't notice this earlier so I just want to say now that I declare Da Hui to be the King of Mixed Metaphors. (If I see a wolf stabbing and raping my sheep, I'm going to videotape it and sell the tape to somebody.)
I wouldn't have a problem with this as an alternative to the death penalty if our prison system was somewhat different. Take away the rights to amenities such as TV and porn magazines. Put everyone in 8' cubic cells, with at least four to a cell. Let them out for meals, exercise and work only. Provide prisoners with the means to learn a trade and get a GED. (If they want a college degree, they can pay for it themselves like a lot of other people do.) Bring back chain gangs, or something similar, so the prisoners can help earn their keep. The utilization of computers and fingerprint scanners could be used to credit or deduct from the prisoner accounts for wages, lodging, meals, etc. If they don't feel like working, they don't eat once they can no longer pay for it. If they die, then the lazy losers are merely victims of their own decisions.
We live in an imperfect world peopled by imperfect people. There will always be imperfections in the criminal justice system as long as it is operated/staffed by such people. Given the cost to society from housing individuals with no redeeming human characteristics, which greatly outnumbers the 23 innocent people that were executed, I would have to say yes. For those who pointed out that the 23 are only the one's we know about, I have to throw the BS flag at that argument. Saying that there are more that we don't no about is no more valid than if I said the number was insignificant when compared to the guilty people who deserved the death penalty but didn't get it because of technicalities or appeals. The fact is we don't know either way. Of course, we could ensure that only guilty people faced the death penalty if we didn't mind giving up a few rights and decided to allow court cases to be decided by truth serum and lie detectors.
Incorrect, if it was "revenge" the penalty would be decided by the victim/victims survivors, not a judge. ------------- 
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Posted By: impulse!
Date Posted: 30 July 2008 at 6:41pm
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Screw capital punishment, it's too expensive!!!!!
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Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 30 July 2008 at 6:58pm
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 30 July 2008 at 7:07pm
Hmmmm... ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 30 July 2008 at 7:39pm
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So those 23 people who were incorrectly executed would have been better served to live the rest of their lives in a living <crap>hole with a bunch of real murderers and rapists?
People seem to think that death is the worst punishment available... Personally, death for something I didn't do would be far more tolerable than living the next 80 years of my life void of freedoms and liberties (and women), raging internally against the government that locked me up wrongfully. Locking someone up for something they didn't do is just as inhumane as killing them for it. ------------- 
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Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 30 July 2008 at 7:43pm
or they would have still been alive when someone figured out that they were innocent. -------------
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 30 July 2008 at 8:01pm
The following question is based on the assumption (previously mentioned by the anti-capital punishment folks) that there are many more innocent people awaiting execution or who have already been executed than the 23 who were proven innocent. Is the suffering of those who are never found innocent but still spend there lives in jail worth the one or two who aren't executed? -------------
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