new form of punishment
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Topic: new form of punishment
Posted By: GI JOES SON
Subject: new form of punishment
Date Posted: 05 August 2008 at 8:11pm
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since we apparently can't put people on death row and actually kill them, and for those who confess to things they do and just get time, i thought of something. well, i sort of ripped off an idea and let it snowball in my head a little. die hard with a vengeance- the cop has to stand on street corner in harlem. with a sign that says "i hate *racial term for black people*" so. what if we take convicted and confessed criminals and make them do that? i think it would be interesting. |
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Posted By: Styro Folme
Date Posted: 05 August 2008 at 8:12pm
| So what. When the black people kill them, they have to hold up the sign too? |
Posted By: impulse!
Date Posted: 05 August 2008 at 8:13pm
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Posted By: Predatorr
Date Posted: 05 August 2008 at 8:17pm
| Vendetta. That's the best form of punishment. |
Posted By: oreomann33
Date Posted: 05 August 2008 at 8:22pm
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It's called Scarlet Letter punishment, it's used on small, petty crimes but it's usually appealed as unconstitutional.
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Posted By: unvolution
Date Posted: 05 August 2008 at 8:28pm
| send them into space without a suit.... or make a bottomless pit to push them all into |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 05 August 2008 at 8:29pm
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Yeah..so they get killed, then the killer picks up the sign, gets killed, etc?
Actually....might be a good way to clean up the ghetto... |
Posted By: Rambino
Date Posted: 05 August 2008 at 9:00pm
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You should know that false confession is considered by most experts to be the second leading cause of the conviction of innocent people. A confession alone is not particularly persuasive. ------------- [IMG]http://i38.tinypic.com/aag8s8.jpg"> |
GI JOES SON wrote:Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 05 August 2008 at 9:51pm
| What's so wrong with just having a civilized justice system? |
Posted By: WGP guy2
Date Posted: 05 August 2008 at 9:54pm
Because many criminals aren't civilized. |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 05 August 2008 at 9:56pm
Civilized != flawless |
Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 05 August 2008 at 9:59pm
And here I was thinking that we were supposed to be better people than criminals.
Indeed. Nothing is perfect. I don't get the point though. |
Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 05 August 2008 at 10:02pm
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I say we eliminate all prisons on North America and send the prisoners to Antartica. ------------- 
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Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 05 August 2008 at 10:03pm
good sir; i of course, refer to those who go in depth explanations of killing innocent persons; and their torture that preceded their death. charles manson comes to mind |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 05 August 2008 at 10:04pm
Vigilante justice is just more...fun |
Posted By: Rambino
Date Posted: 05 August 2008 at 10:16pm
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False confessions are false regardless of how indepth they are or how much torture they describe. Confessions that are obviously false do not typically lead to conviction. The good ones are all believeable. That is why false confession is a leading cause of wrongful conviction. ------------- [IMG]http://i38.tinypic.com/aag8s8.jpg"> |
Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 05 August 2008 at 10:22pm
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This thread sucks. Everyone has either posted something stupid, or high and mighty. ------------- Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo |
Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 05 August 2008 at 10:24pm
I like that the new codename for intelligent is "high and mighty." |
Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 05 August 2008 at 10:29pm
I think he was referring more to the people who claim the moral high ground and assume that anyone who disagrees with them must be occupying the less stellar depths of morality. ------------- 
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Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 05 August 2008 at 10:31pm
Please. Adopt me. ------------- Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo |
Posted By: Shub
Date Posted: 05 August 2008 at 10:46pm
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Posted By: Pariel
Date Posted: 05 August 2008 at 10:47pm
You'd have to move to Canada usaf, you really want that? I agree with whoever said we should send them to Antarctica. Someone needs to take back the last continent! Also, they're not allowed to do anything that would harm the environment. Or we bomb them. I'm deadly serious. Cluster bombs. Or bon-bons (don't ask me why that came into my head, it's not quite right up there), whichever is cheaper. |
Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 05 August 2008 at 10:52pm
The truth hurts sometimes. |
Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 05 August 2008 at 11:35pm
That might work, except Charles Manson never killed anyone. |
Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 06 August 2008 at 10:03am
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no, he just convinced a whole lot of people to drink the cool aid. i personally view that as psychological abuse and coersion; he convinced them to do all that crazy stuff until some congressman started an investigation and he told them all to kill themselves. besides if he held a sign like that it'd probably be true...correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't he have a swastica on his forehead? |
Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 06 August 2008 at 10:10am
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Posted By: JohnnyHopper
Date Posted: 06 August 2008 at 10:16am
You're mixing your crazy people....crazy ------------- My shoes of peace have steel toes. |
Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 06 August 2008 at 10:48am
1. Why would he have to move to Canada? 2. Adoption depends on USAF's age; just got the last one out of college.
I was also going to mention the arrogance that is involved in such automatic assumptions of holding the moral high ground . . . but I don't think I need to now. -------------
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Posted By: Rambino
Date Posted: 06 August 2008 at 11:02am
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Which, of course, is different from what you were talking about earlier.
"Probably" is now the standard? Having a swastica carved in your forehead means you are guilty? (The swastika, BTW, came only after he was convicted. He initially carved an "X" during the trial, and then later modified it to a swastika. And, of course, we have already had discussions here about the origins and uses of the swastika symbol.) Do you see how quickly you got into a muddle with even the most "obvious" of criminal cases? There is a very, very long way to go from "beyond a reasonable doubt" to "absolute certainty." ------------- [IMG]http://i38.tinypic.com/aag8s8.jpg"> |
Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 06 August 2008 at 11:09am
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How can you argue your point when you're confusing Jim Jones with Charles Manson? |
Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 06 August 2008 at 11:12am
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Wikipedia is your friend.
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Posted By: Rambino
Date Posted: 06 August 2008 at 11:28am
You took the kool-aid literally? I figured it was a metaphor... ------------- [IMG]http://i38.tinypic.com/aag8s8.jpg"> |
Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 06 August 2008 at 11:32am
Yeah, after read through his post several times I don't think he has the up-to-date info on crazy people. I'm guessing he was just confusing them. |
Posted By: Rambino
Date Posted: 06 August 2008 at 11:37am
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I guess my theory is that talking about punishing Jim Jones for the whole kool-aid thing is a tad silly... ------------- [IMG]http://i38.tinypic.com/aag8s8.jpg"> |
Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 06 August 2008 at 11:40am
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I would only prosecute him for those individuals he shot due to refusal. Although I believe those numbers to be very low. Edit: Then again, there are still debates on if that really happened. |
Posted By: Rambino
Date Posted: 06 August 2008 at 11:51am
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I meant since he died too and all... :) ------------- [IMG]http://i38.tinypic.com/aag8s8.jpg"> |
Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 06 August 2008 at 11:52am
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Yeah. There is that. I just do not quite understand the push to kill the killers. I always assumed our criminal justice system stood for something more. |