DeTrevni wrote: Also, it's supposed to be less than half the price of the T8 mags.

my favorite part of the whole story

SSOK wrote: I'd still rather have a Crosman

you don't know really know anything about it though. this is all we can assume but can't confirm. maybe you don't know you'd rather have a crosman.

Enos Shenk wrote: Some of what DeTrev said is wrong, but I wont say what.

So if I were to offer Pie...

Enos Shenk wrote: Some of what DeTrev said is wrong, but I wont say what. Its coming, very soon.

be more specific on the time frame, before thanksgiving maybe?

I have been trying for years to find a reasonably priced pistol with decent functionality.

Ideally I want to Duel weild pistols.

But the T8 are waay to over priced and the one I used had air problems and chops balls when you smack in the clip. For $40 a clip+ Shipping they can bite my A$$.

I don't understand why they even make pistols with the screw cap CO2 changers.  Don't they know we are weraing gloves and covered in dirt and sweat?

I just found out about Tippman making a pistol and I hope they don't screw it up and make it affordable to buy extra clips.  They have a chance to dominate the market here.

I don't care about size or weight.

1.)Make it quick and easy to reload Co2

2.)get more then 10 shots out of a cartrige

3.) Make it easy to realod from 10round tubes. If making money on the back end off clips is a concern then desgin affordable specific 10 round tubes.

You can make it modular for all the lights and lazers and stocks I don't care just make it a decent pistol that doesn't cost an arm and leg.

Paintball has been around long enough that we should have a decent affordable pistol on the Market. Hell give me the direct contact to the desgin team.

Honestly how hard is it to make a quick change for the CO2 and an easy removable back cap to load balls from a 10 round tube?

We can make guns that shoot a million balls a second, hoppers with carousels linked to the eyes of a marker, but they can't make a decent paintball pistol for under $230 and $40 a clip?

Anyone want to invest in my idea? We could make millions!!!
 

K Hop wrote: True, yes. But those guns are also quite expensive if you hadn't noticed, as well as the hoppers.

Thats exactly my point those guns+hopper will run you the same price as trying to purchase Duel wielding T8 if you include clips, holster and guns.

I calculated if you want to duel weild 2 T8 + 3 extra clips for each gun+ the clip holders+ the holsters you will end up spending in the range of $800+ with tax and shipping.  Not to mention that pistol is picky with paint and you only get 8 shots/ co2 cartrage

There are decently priced pistols on the market for around $80-$100 but they are all not practical desgin for effcient ball and air reloading. All someone needs to do is give a little design loving to the current pistols and you have a decent affordable pistol.

Thats why I am hoping they guys at Tippman are going to do things right. If they can make a pistol for even $120 MSRP with the simple desgin additions of easy loading from a 10 round tube and quick and easy CO2 reload they can dominate the market. 

meh if you want a marker that is easy to reload shots and co2 seperatly and quickly, get a good number of shots per cartridge and be able to get a barrel kit for it look at a phantom. Put a little frantom or say a 6" carbon fiber with a mini pump handle, and get the new lever action co2 upgrade, a guy on mcb makes them, look phenominal, just pull lever and cartridge falls right out, and the stick feed allows for quick reload using 10 round tubes. yeah, phantoms are more expensive but you could carry much more ammo, get more shots per cartridge, shoot more accuratly and not care about what paint you use, and save a whackload on extra mags(plus pumps get more respect than pistols, most non milsim types regard pistols as a sign of weakness/stupidity).

I'll wait to see what Tipmann unveals before I go all out for Duel pistol weilding action.

 I have allways been happy with their products.

Possibly - but I will be buying another to match regardless.

Rambino wrote: I don't care.  I'm still getting one.  Actually, I'm getting two.  And a trenchcoat.

"Chicks dig guys in trenchcoats"

pbjunkie is saying that it's a magazine fed pistol. But that is kind of obvious from the silhouette... riiiight?

t_hop wrote: pbjunkie is saying that it's a magazine fed pistol. But that is kind of obvious from the silhouette... riiiight?

Where is this silhouette you speak of I haven't seen it

Hmmm I don't see the words "affordable" up there

 It does look a little like a Tac9

However under the barrel on the new tippman pistol (from the silhouette anyway) you may have room for a 12gm CO2 cartrage.

 Lets Hypothasize for a second that with the standard pistol size you can fit about 8 maybe 9 rounds in a grip magazine. And if you make air system effcient enough you could get 16 shoots out of a 12-16 shots out of 12gram.  This could reduce the production costs of the extra clips making them cheaper then $40 a pop.

Allthough that are under the barrel might be where they have the rail to add bells and whistles.  Which I personally am not that interested in. I just want a simple pistol that is easy to reload air and paint and wont cause me to take aout a second mortage.

Hmmmmmm   /me strokes chin 

Allow me to dream here. To eject the CO2 cartage you use a "pump" action like on a PGP pop another one in the slide it forward

I'm just going to cross my fingers and see what happens

Wow only 12-16 shot per 12g? I can shoot 3 1/2 magazies with my Tac8. Thats 30 balls.

So do you shoot a mag-remove it- reload the balls- then shoot it again? and you can get 3 mags out of 1 cartrage?

With out lossing air inbetween reloads?

If so proof in point that the CO2 should be able to be loaded independently from the balls

Snake6 wrote: Hopefully we will get some inside info this weekend at Tippmann World Challenge, hell maybe they will even bring their prototype so I can shoot it.

Pics and review buddy and you shall earn internet cool points

The air loss is very slight when you remove the mag. It gets resealed each time the mag is ejected. Besides after 3 1/2 mags of shooting I still get the pop of the co2 sealing once you eject the mag.

Having used the Zeus and ACP I can tell you that I'd love to get 30 shots out of a single 12 gram.  If I can get 20 I'm happy.  15 is the most you get if you rapid fire the pistol. 

I think having the CO2 in the magazine makes the most sense.  Yes the mags will be expensive but what good is being able to change out mags when changing out the CO2 will take more time than changing two mags? 

Man I can't wait.

I hope they announce this weekend.

With a slow rate of fire I can get 24 our of my Zeus (same as your MilTec G1).  However with a high ROF 15-18 is about it. Still not close to 30.

hurray for updates

any pictures or vids floating around of the proto types they had

I could tell you ...

But then I would have to kill you.

Personally, i'm new to this pistol scene, we just bought a couple delta's, and after one outing, they seem fairly good.  They are accurate (for a pistol), and we seemed to get on average 20+ rounds per cartridge.  The only downside is that its a fair amount of weight. 

To, bad i just couldn't wait any longer for a pistol, i'm looking forward to see what they bring out.

Why in the world would they not put the c02 in the magazine? If you look at the picture of it there's no obvious bulge where a c02 cartridge would go. This could be one huge pistol.

Monk wrote: notom66866 wrote: Why in the world would they not put the c02 in the magazine? If you look at the picture of it there's no obvious bulge where a c02 cartridge would go. This could be one huge pistol. So they can fit more balls in the mag.

How? Are they going to double stack the balls like 9mm rounds?

notom66866 wrote: Why in the world would they not put the c02 in the magazine? If you look at the picture of it there's no obvious bulge where a c02 cartridge would go. This could be one huge pistol.

For a few reasons

1.)Prevents having to reload the mag with balls on the field

2.)Would make for a simpler mag design making production costs cheaper which could potential keep the cost of extra mags down

3.)You would be able to reload air independently of ammo

4.)Keeping the seal tight on the co2 cartridge could increase the number of shoots/ cartridge.

For people worried about weight and size you have to think about if you want a durable pistol that will last and take a beating you are going to have to sacrifice convenience.   As long as it fits in a holster I’ll be happy

Hello folks!

I've been very interested in this pistol since I first heard about it.  As someone who has been playing pistol since the 3357 came out, I've also been waiting for someone to give me something I could work with.  This seems like it and though I will skip the trenchcoat I will also be wearing a pair of these as soon as possible.

I use a totally modified Miltec G2 with a TAG8 as a sidearm to it.  This is the best kit I've found currently for my style of play(any mode, any ROF).  With the G2 I've done some silly tricks like shoot 600 rounds as a field commander in an SPPL finals game(I was elimed once in that 1 hour game, but look at the pile of empties in front of my knees):

A few things I wanted to add: when you fire a TAG8 and it recocks, it charges the valve.  Ejecting the mag empties the valve, so in fact you lose exactly 1 shot ejecting the mag of a TAG8.  Mine gets 3 full mags in normal weather.  My Miltec G2 does better than that, even working pretty good in the snow, though both guns are modified inside:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgWcaQZV0Gw - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgWcaQZV0Gw

I had to rework the co2 plug to have more dish, as the last co2 loaded slightly crooked and leaked a bit, this was just a vid to show folks the loading method for my pistol, when I first redid the Miltec to match my original Armotech Zeus G2.

The biggest killer, besides the shootdown, for the tag for me is that the noise of ejecting the mags is a death sentence if someone who knows the sound is within earshot.  At Hell Survivors in Michigan, that sound will get you three Mercenaries in your lap and me in your back pocket.

The flaw with my Miltec is that whether you load it at the back or in the top front as I do, you have to mess with the top of the gun.  This means taking my sights off my opponents and that occasionaly gets me shot, now with a silent gripfed magazine in a Tippy pistol...  People are going to HATE me

Glad to meet those of you that I haven't met around the web and glad to finally be able to carry a Tippmann(Soon!)

Rob

Hey DeTrevni!

Good to read a familiar face

That would be nice Skeletor, My solution was to use the camlock from the dropout of the old Nelson Challenger as part of a co2 plug:

This is a 1/4 turn camlock, VERY fast.  Though I left that off my new Miltec when I replaced my old Armotech G2.  For sheer dependability, the screw is tops, especially because it's Bottle threads!  Any ASA plug or remote adapter will work on a Miltec(not a Warsensor).  That video is super slow demonstration speed, I can change a co2 in the time it takes me to spin behind a standup can and come out the other side. .

Rob

 You should have known that was inevitable once Tippmann started making a pistol, DeTrevni!

My use of pistols is unlike anybody else I've ever come into contact with, so I'm used to my 'ratings' of the various models being vastly different.

It's my opinion that since a $100 miltec or warsensor loads exactly in game like a $500 stroker or $700 Squall, there is NO difference between the two guns except money. I say that as someone who has owned both a stroker and a warsensor.  I am a fanatic for function not form.  I wouldn't deny that you need to be at least half an airsmith to keep a JABB running, but I would say that if you're someone who shoots a bag of paint in six 15 minute games, you need to be that with a stroker too...

It works for me like this:

People don't get rolled while reloading a regular marker because it's always a fraction of a second from fireability.

  If you can reload so fast that no one can move on you, then it doesn't matter if you reload every ten minutes or ten seconds-they can't move on you.    At that point extra ammo in your gun is only extra weight.

  So by staggering the load of paint and co2 and reducing the time spent reloading each thing as much as possible, I am able to do with my pistol ANYTHING I could do with a regular marker, including going 4 SmartCorps eliminations to 2 hits in an SPPL game while shooting a certain Mr. Gardner in the head from over 100' away. We still lost 149-40. Man, are they good!

  I play at HS every weekend I can, averaging 30 or so days a year, but all in open class or the big games, any mode of fire-any rate of fire.  If you're going to run out on the field at HS with a pistol, you better mean it, because you will be an instant and high priority target, I've become a bit of a trophy, even playing one of the bunnies to get swarmed 10 to 1 on easter!

As well as being chosen to be the pilot for our 'BlackHawk Down' at the Day of the Rangers 12 hr scenario.  Despite the teams being 125 'Rangers' to 415 'Somalis', I changed history and successfully got my crew and myself back to safety.  A good pistol is a help not a handicap!

  I agree with Mayvik that, unmodified, the TAG8 is the best of the stock pistols, but I see that as a sad indictment of all the companies who've pretended to make usable pistols.  Even my TAG8 is modified and BETTER for it.

I used 3357s from when they came out in 87 to 2002, modified of course, as I tend to stop at the grinder on the way in from the mailbox, I had aluminum cylinders milled for me and a steel pawl(that turns the cylinder) and a steel barrel that I flexhoned with a .50 cal flexhone.  I had a bunch over the years to keep 2 running. When I played at commercial fields(FPO) I'd use my sheridan P68SC.  This often rides at my right hip(left hip is always my crossdraw G2) when I'm not wearing my tag as a sidearm, I have a Cooper-T undershot bolt in it and it really whizzes em! 

An airsmith on MCB is currently recreating the aluminum cylinders and steel pawl.  If you love the 3357s let me tell you, this will turn what you've got into a whole new gun!!! 

This is all why I'm excited about the layout of the new Tippmann gun.  For working in a tight bunker with the gun against your chest, this is the most logical layout.

Rob

Well I'm going to have to chime in here myself. This is kinda OT, and kinda not. I went out today with 5 markers: A PPS Hurricane, a Shocker 4x4 Sport Turbo, a pump Rainmaker, a VLM 'cocker and my PGP. The Hurc was as stubborn as a mule, my Shocker leaked like a sieve, my Rainmaker wouldn't chrono under 450 and I had no microline for my VLM's pneus. So I pulled out the K-Framed PGP.

I had one of my best days with that little bugger.

Aside from it being the only one to actually work for me, it forced me to learn a new style of play then and there, as this was the first time I've really played stock class or pistol (I haven't had a chance to pull out the G1 yet, despite me having it for a few months...). I was able to move faster and more comfortably with the 10 rd. tubes and 12g's over pods and constant air. The size of the marker made it vastly more manageable on the field, and the K-Frame made it very comfortable for me to hold.

I'm eagerly awaiting they Tippy pistol's release, but be that as it may, I don't know if I'll be able to put the PGP down long enough for me to try any other pistols. Between the "oohs" and "ahhs" and the "OMG ur using a pistol!!1??!" I think I may have found my new style of play. I still need to mod the G1 and see what happens when I try semi.

My offer of swapping you mags still stands!

I feel the same rush still after all these years, DeTrevni.  Nothing like starting a game with 10 balls in your gun!

I also have to add that I haven't been shot in the hopper in 23 years of playing paintball

Never using one will do that...

Rob

AgentSmith wrote: I also have to add that I haven't been shot in the hopper in 23 years of playing paintball Never using one will do that...

Another amusing benefit of running with limited ammo (that I learned from using my Phantom) is the look of confusion on the faces of individuals using electros and shooting streams when they ask if you have an extra pod and you toss them a 10 round tube. 

Rob, I'll drop ya a line on MCB!

Mack wrote: No, they sent e-mails to all the popular forum members telling us all about it.

Yep.

Christmas is comming up and I don't have much on my list to Santa so I hope the pistol come out before then

Just wanted to add that I'm glad they went with underbarrel CO2, since that makes it a lot easier to mod for constant air.  With the Tib8, if you want constant air you're either losing the ability to change mags quickly (because the CA kit they sell is a nipple on a long tube that screws in where the puncture pin goes), or you're doing some serious, serious airsmithing.  I did a really sick constant air-thru grip setup on my ACP 2.0 the only problem being that its internals are garbage and I go through cup seals faster than I can go through a 9oz. CO2 tank.  If I could have an easy mag reload like the Tib8 with constant air, I'd play pistol primary a lot more often.

PS- AgentSmith- what's this about a Cooper-T bolt for the T8?  Where would I find one of those?

Ah, Sorry RogueITSB,

That's a little confusing as I was switching back and forth talking about my TAG and my Sheridan P68SC, both of which I wear as a sidearm at different times to my main pistol.  The Cooper-T 'Better Bolt'(which backspins like a flatline) is in my P68SC.

 I suggested to a friend of mine, sidetapping the air through the side of the gripframe on the tag8.  In this way you could remove the check valve from the magazine(replacing it with a plate for the screws that hold the mags together), then hardline the sidetap to an ASA under the barrel on the rail with one of the little 9.5/3000psi airtanks.

  You'd be able to use mags and C/A that way, but for my use 12grams are a must.  Though when I play speedball(rarely), I use a 3.5co2:

However, for woods, big game and SPPL play, holster work is essential to my game, that's why I'm in line for a pair of Tippmanns!

Rob

And I thank you, sir!

It's a passion for me and as someone who's done it so long, well... To me playing pistol IS paintball.  Loving paintball means loving pistol play, I do have to thank the best field I've ever played, Hell Survivors in Mi.  If they hadn't been calling people out when I hit them once all these years, I couldn't exist as I do and still make an impact.  You can't play pistol very well if you have to shoot people into submission! I've found that at the top skill levels(and with these guys around, WHEEEE! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8yfmM6hKCs - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8yfmM6hKCs  ), it's the first few balls out of your gun that do the job or you're doomed, so why carry extra?

For me, this picture says it all:

Heh, my gallery:

http://www.mcarterbrown.com/gallery/showgallery.php?thumbsonly=0&perpage=90&cat=500&ppuser=146&thumbcheck=0&page=1&sortby=&sorttime=&way=&date= - http://www.mcarterbrown.com/gallery/showgallery.php?thumbson ly=0&perpage=90&cat=500&ppuser=146&thumbchec k=0&page=1&sortby=&sorttime=&way=&date=

Rob