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Topic: McCains VP
Posted By: Linus
Subject: McCains VP
Date Posted: 29 August 2008 at 11:13am
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A woman.
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Posted By: Bruce Banner
Date Posted: 29 August 2008 at 11:14am
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I hereby dub her the "Go get disgruntled Hillary voters" pick. ------------- Waste and excess are not conservative family values http://www.nytimes.com/ref/opinion/07opclassic.html - Nature is not a liberal plot http://pickensplan.com - A Good Energy Plan |
Posted By: WGP guy2
Date Posted: 29 August 2008 at 11:18am
| McCain will win now. |
Posted By: Styro Folme
Date Posted: 29 August 2008 at 11:21am
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interesting. But, it think a lot of the disgruntled Hilary voters where going to vote McCain anyway. |
Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 29 August 2008 at 11:28am
Truf. I don't know that much about her, but I have a feeling this can't stop the Obama train. ------------- 
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Bruce Banner wrote:Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 29 August 2008 at 11:40am
Someone's got some reading to do!!!! ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: JohnnyHopper
Date Posted: 29 August 2008 at 11:43am
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That's a man baby
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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 29 August 2008 at 11:47am
I beg to differ: I'll admit, it's an older photo but I wouldn't kick her out of bed for eating crackers. 
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Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 29 August 2008 at 11:47am
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Here's my question:
Are conservatives ready to put a woman one heart-attack/stroke/etc away from running this country? Not exactly unlikely from McCain. -------------
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Posted By: Bruce Banner
Date Posted: 29 August 2008 at 11:47am
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Fill me in. ------------- Waste and excess are not conservative family values http://www.nytimes.com/ref/opinion/07opclassic.html - Nature is not a liberal plot http://pickensplan.com - A Good Energy Plan |
Posted By: .357 Magnum
Date Posted: 29 August 2008 at 11:50am
Is she wearing safety glasses ? I think he can get some women with this. ------------- 
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Posted By: sinisterNorth
Date Posted: 29 August 2008 at 11:55am
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Solid choice for McCain just from the looks of it.
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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 29 August 2008 at 11:59am
She is, in every sense of the word, a maverick. It's the perfect choice for McCain and not just to get votes from the Hillary crowd. She was responsible for ending Ted Stevens' "Bridge to Nowhere" project as well as slashing the vast majority of pork-barrel spending that was going on in Alaska when she took office in '07. She's essentially started a coup to kick the "good 'ol boy" club out of politics in that state. She ran against the incumbent republican governor in the primaries for the republican spot on the ticket and took it with less than half the campaign budget. She then went on to defeat the Democratic candidate, again with a much smaller budget. She's all about Alaskan self-reliance when it comes to the state's economy and infrastructure. She's put for the initiative to cut ties with the federal government and the hand-outs that AK has historically relied upon. She's an ethical dream. She blew the whistle on the republicans that were running the state and their congressional representation and their unethical practices. She is thought to be one of the key players in uncovering Ted Steven's finance and contribution scandal. She's got a lifetime membership to the NRA and freely admits to having smoked pot. She's open to gay and lesbian rights and concerns and vetoed a bill that would have denied AK state benefits to same-sex couples. The list goes on and on. She's more libertarian than Republican and doesn't let her own feelings get in the way of her policy making. She's a damned fine candidate for VP and will eventually make a great middle-ground candidate for President if she stays her current course. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 29 August 2008 at 12:04pm
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How pissed is Hillary?
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Posted By: JohnnyHopper
Date Posted: 29 August 2008 at 12:05pm
So McCain's VP is a rascist cannibal? I was already going to vote for him, but now I want to vote twice :) ------------- My shoes of peace have steel toes. |
Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 29 August 2008 at 12:07pm
Grrrr, I think she's a hottie! ------------- Innocence proves nothing FUAC!!!!! |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 29 August 2008 at 12:07pm
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Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 29 August 2008 at 12:09pm
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I'd totally hit that.
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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 29 August 2008 at 12:12pm
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Obama picks a VP to add to his foreign policy credentials, McCain picks a VP to appeal to women and younger people? Well I guess each has picked a VP to balance out their weak points then. edit- I'm just kidding. Kind of. My thoughts- This all seems to be more of a political move to win over Hillary supporters. That said, I don't see it likely that many Hillary supporters will come running out to support a Pro-Life republican, even if she is a woman. I can see this backfiring on McCain. This all just seems like a publicity stunt to me. -------------  irc.esper.net #paintball |
Posted By: Bruce Banner
Date Posted: 29 August 2008 at 12:18pm
Ah - you misunderstood me then. I have no doubt she is qualified and a good fit overall. My point is that most VP candidates are chosen to appeal to a specific demographic or geographic region. Hence the popularity of VPs from battleground states. This is what makes Biden a brilliant choice, because he brings both geography and demographics. In this case she beings no geography to the table, therefore the likely clincher was demographics. The democratic demographic most at risk is the very attractive Hillary bloc, to which this VP candidate should appeal well. ------------- Waste and excess are not conservative family values http://www.nytimes.com/ref/opinion/07opclassic.html - Nature is not a liberal plot http://pickensplan.com - A Good Energy Plan |
Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 29 August 2008 at 12:23pm
I wouldn't go so far as to say "attractive". -------------
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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 29 August 2008 at 12:24pm
ROFLMAO -------------
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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 29 August 2008 at 12:29pm
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Also, McCain has been bashing Obama up and down for his lack of experience then goes out and picks someone who has been governor of Alaska for a year and a half. Apparently he's confident he has enough foreign policy experience to make up for it? I don't get it. Pretty much no one has ever heard of Sarah Palin before today. How could this not be a publicity stunt? Anyway, it should be interesting as hell to see her debate Joe Biden. ------------- irc.esper.net #paintball |
Posted By: blackdog144
Date Posted: 29 August 2008 at 12:50pm
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either way, i still dont like either candidate. Kind of interesting though on their picks for vp's. ------------- http://imageshack.us">  
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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 29 August 2008 at 1:04pm
Benji, Obama has no experience, McCain has tons of it. He doesn't need a running mate with a ton of experience to secure that end of the political spectrum. What he needed was a fresh, young face to counter the pathetic claims that he is "too old". What he has excelled at doing with this choice was to pick someone who will not only appeal to the Hillary bloc, but to the fence-sitters who were wondering if McCain was leaning a little too far to the right for their tastes. Here you have a candidate for VP that is about as close to libertarian as you can get without actually crossing the line. She's for the end of big government, the self-sufficiency of our nation's citizens, and economic growth through the development of our natural resources and economic infrastructure. What's more, she's show she isn't at the mercy of "big oil" by setting very strict north-slope pipeline regulations which a Canadian company will be fulfilling. What's more, her outright attack on the current Alaskan Republican representation in congress and the senate will help to distance McCain from W. even more. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 29 August 2008 at 1:06pm
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I'm voting for McCain.
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Posted By: Bruce Banner
Date Posted: 29 August 2008 at 1:06pm
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I am fascinated by how each candidate chose a running-mate that looks a lot like their opponent... ------------- Waste and excess are not conservative family values http://www.nytimes.com/ref/opinion/07opclassic.html - Nature is not a liberal plot http://pickensplan.com - A Good Energy Plan |
Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 29 August 2008 at 1:07pm
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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 29 August 2008 at 1:09pm
Well, say what you will, but I certainly wouldn't be caught playing "hide the sausage" with Obama. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 29 August 2008 at 1:10pm
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What if McCain dies, then? Then she becomes president. Before she was governor, she was mayor of a town of 9000 people. And McCain is too freaking old. Also, like I said before, she is strongly anti-abortion, and very pro-gun. I don't see Hillary supporters going after her. ------------- irc.esper.net #paintball |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 29 August 2008 at 1:11pm
Wait.... you're saying "If McCain dies, a less experienced person will be left running the country"? Well, if that's your concern, you certainly shouldn't vote for Obama! ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 29 August 2008 at 1:12pm
A lot of Hillary supporters were only voting for her because she was a woman. I see lots of Hillary supporters going for this. -------------
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Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 29 August 2008 at 1:13pm
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/proof tallen is old ------------- 
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Posted By: .357 Magnum
Date Posted: 29 August 2008 at 1:13pm
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Thats why he will get some womens votes I believe. There are some women who want to see a woman in office, just because. And a lot of people seem to say, well McCain is to old and will probably die in office. Well then there you go, vote him him, wait for him to kick the bucket and look you got your female president.
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Posted By: oreomann33
Date Posted: 29 August 2008 at 1:13pm
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I'd hit it.
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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 29 August 2008 at 1:15pm
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@Tallen It's not so much that. Everyone's been making such a huge deal out of experience, then this happens. It just seems a bit ironic that McCain chooses a VP that exemplifies one of his main complaints against Obama. Doesn't that seem just a little bit hypocritical to you?
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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 29 August 2008 at 1:19pm
I wish that the rest of this campaign would be centered around both sides talking directly about the issues. Forget all the superficial crap and talk about the damn issues. ------------- irc.esper.net #paintball |
Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 29 August 2008 at 1:23pm
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You forget that most Americans are stupid, and don't care about the issues.
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Posted By: Predatorr
Date Posted: 29 August 2008 at 1:30pm
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Net neutrality. That in itself is almost enough to make my vote McCain indefinitely. I alrady was, so Biden just makes me even more pro McCain, though I am pro-choice. I'm torn!!!! |
Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 29 August 2008 at 1:31pm
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I don't think McCain is for net-neutrality either.
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Posted By: oreomann33
Date Posted: 29 August 2008 at 1:36pm
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McCain doesn't know what the internet is.
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Posted By: Predatorr
Date Posted: 29 August 2008 at 1:39pm
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I'm moving to Switzerland. |
Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 29 August 2008 at 1:39pm
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 29 August 2008 at 2:06pm
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My political points:
1) This is going to lower McCain's challenges of Obama's lack of experience. Yeah, I know, VP is different than the big seat, but the problem is that the average voter isn't going to care. If McCain tries to push to hard on Obama's youth, the Obama camp has ammunition in return now. This evens the playing field in Obama's favor slightly. 2) I think a certain contingent of disgruntled female voters are going to jump to McCain now. I don't think it is a big number, but females out there do exist who are going to vote for a woman regardless of party. I think you will see a definite boost in the poll numbers for female voters for McCain. 3) The VP debate is going to be an absolute blowout. It is not going to be pretty. 4) I think you are going to see an initial boost in McCain's numbers. However, I think that the boost will even back out by mid-late Sept. By then, I think that some voters will see McCain's pick of Palin as a gimmicky attempt to snag the previously stated female voters. Not to say that this will be negative, it just won't be the long-lasting boost he was looking for. *EDIT* Bonus point! 5) I think that this idea that there are hardcore conservatives in mass that are going to withhold voting for McCain because he chose a female is false. Conservative voters in current age tend to be rather gender neutral. |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 29 August 2008 at 2:12pm
McCain has stated time and again, on the record, that he doesn't want the US government to regulate the content, use, or anything else to do with the internet other than maintain the "Backbone" as it has always done. While non-regulation isn't exactly net-neutrality, it isn't anywhere near the stance that Biden has taken on the issue which is very ANTI-Neutrality. McCain understands the way free markets work and knows that if you attempt to regulate something, all it does is harm business, competitions, and the end-user. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 29 August 2008 at 2:13pm
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Agreed on all points, Whale. edit- Tallen, I haven't heard that before. Not saying you're wrong, but I swear I just saw a piece talking about how McCain is against net-neutrality. I'll see if I can find it. edit2- Yeah, I think you're right. It seems that McCain's stance is "We shouldn't enforce or prohibit net-neutrality" ------------- irc.esper.net #paintball |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 29 August 2008 at 2:20pm
I wouldn't put money on that. Palin is a straight shooter that will give direct answers and won't beat around the bush. That's what her whole gubernatorial race was based around and how she's run her office since elected. Rather than let the previous governor's lame-duck appointments sit, she overturned every last one. When the state of Alaska opened up an inquest into her firing of a cabinet member, she gave them every transcript, recording, and any other pieces of evidence before they even asked for them. She's got nothing to hide and she'll hit the ground running in the debates. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 29 August 2008 at 2:25pm
She is not bad at all, but I don't believe she has the same quick-on-feet speech ability that Biden has.
All very admirable. But none of it really translates to this:
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Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 29 August 2008 at 2:43pm
Just saying . . . Anyways, I'm not sure how I feel on this one. I think Banner is spot on with both candidates picking running mates that look exactly like their opponents. Palin seems a good fit for McCain, but I still have a but of a crush on McCain/Huckabee 08. Also, is it just me or Tallen = KRL15 2.0?  ------------- Real Men play Tuba [IMG]http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/1859/newsmall6xz.jpg"> PH33R TEH 1337 Dwarf! http://www.tippmann.com/forum/wwf77a/log_off_user.asp" rel="nofollow - DONT CLICK ME!!1 |
Posted By: adrenalinejunky
Date Posted: 29 August 2008 at 2:48pm
haha, i can definately see that. |
Posted By: bavo12
Date Posted: 29 August 2008 at 3:02pm
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it is a solid choice
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 29 August 2008 at 3:16pm
. . . and a bazillion t-shirts that say "Our President is hotter than yours." ------------- 
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Posted By: .357 Magnum
Date Posted: 29 August 2008 at 3:18pm
Her daughters aren't bad either. In before pedobear. -------------
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Posted By: XtremeBordom
Date Posted: 29 August 2008 at 5:47pm
 I think shes the real-deal McCain girl.
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Posted By: XtremeBordom
Date Posted: 29 August 2008 at 5:55pm
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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 29 August 2008 at 5:57pm
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I'm amused at how little credit a lot of you give female voters. ------------- ? |
Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 29 August 2008 at 6:14pm
Women are stupid. -------------
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Posted By: adrenalinejunky
Date Posted: 29 August 2008 at 7:05pm
its not just female voters, i give little credit to the mass majority of voters in this country. |
Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 29 August 2008 at 8:27pm
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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 29 August 2008 at 9:36pm
I'd rather have an experienced president with an inexperienced VP rather then vice versa with an inexperienced president. -------------
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Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 29 August 2008 at 10:25pm
If you don't vote for Barack Obama, you are a fascist. /Troll -------------
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 30 August 2008 at 1:59am
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The whole argument of experience is stupid. Eisenhower had no experience and he seemed to do well. The past 8 years have been a roller coaster of crap with a President who could have been considered having experience. I even bet that if Ted Kennedy ran for President, having an extreme amount of experience, people would once again find other reasons to hate. I personally would not want Kennedy in office, but if we go by experience he should have been Strom Thurmond's Vice President during the 1990s. |
Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 30 August 2008 at 2:39am
You are going to have to define "experience." |
Posted By: Brian Fellows
Date Posted: 30 August 2008 at 2:40am
Fixed. |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 30 August 2008 at 2:51am
Crap, Whale you keep beating me to the punch on these things. Sure, Ike had little political experience as far as being a sitting rep, senator, governor, or executive branch official goes, but he had far more experience of an executive type and had to deal with more than his fair share of political wrangling. Enough so to make anyone other than Truman pale in comparison. Eisenhower not only had to deal with congress and the executive branch as Supreme Allied Commander, he also had to be the front-man on almost every single bit of foreign policy we conducted from 1941 through 1945. When it comes right down to it, the man probably had more practical experience running something as complicated as this country by running it's armed forces for 4 years than anyone had before or has since. As far as the difference in experience between Palin and all three of the Senators currently running for executive branch offices, she has actual Executive Branch experience. She's used to having to make decisions all day long. Senators get off easy, they can hide their votes in committees and get away with it. As an executive of government, you better make the right decisions right away, or you're going to get dragged through the coals over it. Just look at Bush and Katrina. He made some horrible decisions, as did congress (Bush wasn't the only one who could have mobilized the national guard and rescue efforts). But did congress get tarred and feathered? No, because it's too difficult to pin the failure down to any one Senator or Representative. When you are the decision maker, that's when you're most scrutinized. That's where the experience becomes necessary. Not even McCain has that kind of experience outside his role in the military. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: Ace_Of_Spades
Date Posted: 30 August 2008 at 2:56am
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Tallen, i really think you need your own cooking/politics show on the teevee...i have a good title too
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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 30 August 2008 at 2:59am
I like it! When can we start? ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: White o Light
Date Posted: 30 August 2008 at 3:00am
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drunk, sup? ------------- 
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Posted By: Ace_Of_Spades
Date Posted: 30 August 2008 at 3:16am
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did you drive -------------
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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 30 August 2008 at 8:14am
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Genius choice. Takes the Democrats usual arguements out of the picture. The Republicans as portrayed are no longer a "white boys club". As for "expierience" a proven executive branch performer over yes hide in the bushes Senators. If you listened real hard you could here the Dem's PUMA (Political Unity My Ass)groups large sucking sound as they found thier woman candidate, the 20-30% carry over vote from the Hillary camp should throw the election firmly to the republicans. I also see President Palin in 2012, the first woman president, one I would vote for. I really think Hillary's stategy is to ensure a McCain win so she gets her last shot in 2012.
Hillary is having a breakdown, so the hate messages will soon follow, problem is there is no skeletons in Palin's closet for her attack dogs to drag out. This choice give the election to the Republicans for the Democrats cannot attack a "woman" and be true to thier own female voters, they are screwed. This choice confirms my McCain/Palin vote, where before I was not voting, because I only saw a "none of the above" choice. |
Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 30 August 2008 at 11:01am
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Err tallen recheck how the guard operates. It's up to the governor of the
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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 30 August 2008 at 11:08am
Should have been a bit more clear in my post. I wasn't alluding to congress as being able to call out the guard, just that it wasn't all on Bush's hands like so many people would like to claim. Congress does have the ability to mobilize the Coast Guard in emergency situations as well as put pressure on other organizations to act quickly. The governors of Louisiana, Mississippi, and neighboring states are to blame for the slow response of the National Guard. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 30 August 2008 at 11:34am
So how does McCain fit into all of that? Last time I checked, he was one of those Senators you are talking about.
The numbers won't be nearly as high. 5%. Maybe. I think you are misjudging the statistics a wee bit. Are there women out there who will vote simply based on gender and nothing else? Yeah, but did that make up 30% of Hillary's support? I really don't think so. My guess is 5%.
I don't really see this being the truth either. Politics are politics, not to mention that female Democratic voters are not going to suddenly switch to Republican because Obama or Biden says something mean about Palin. Like I mentioned earlier, I think the large majority of female voters are voting with their voter's card, and not with their gender. |
Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 31 August 2008 at 10:30pm
| Palin is the only one of the candidates with actual executive expierience, Obama, Biden, McCain are all in Congress and never really ran anything. Do not discount the disgruntled gender vote, several PUMA comments are swaying towards McCain. And the other issue is the privacy of the voting booth, where the voter can vote his/her true belief, and not worry about some pollster asking about Obama and the voter, if not giving the correct answer can be labled in one of the usual race card catagories. |
Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 31 August 2008 at 11:17pm
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People also need to take a look at political views. Palin is very pro second amendment, very anti abortion, very anti birth control... Very right wing, essentially. Yeah, she's as close to 'salt of the Earth American' as a politician will likely get, but her views are very polarized, and I think there will be a lot of focus on this in the near future. I think she would probably be too far right to be elected president, and she certainly isn't a moderate influence on McCain. She advocates creationism in schools alongside evolution, and has called herself 'As pro-life as any candidate can be'. She's pro-capital punishment. She's strongly against gay marriage, and supported a non-inding referendum seeking to amend the Constitution to bar sam-sex partners from receiving health and retirement benefits. Alaska was the first state to pass a state constitutional amendment banning gay marriage. That said, she also vetoed a state bill that would have barred the same kinds of benefits to same sex employees, citing it as a violation of her oath of office. I'd like to think she's probably got a lot of common sense, good head on her shoulders, but this will still continue to reflect her personal views. She's very principled, and seems to stick by her principles- I respect that, but those principles are far to the right, and I don't think are electable ones. An interesting choice, and not a bad one, but a VERY Republican one. ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 01 September 2008 at 12:59am
I think this does two things Bri. It shores McCain up with any right-wingers who might of thought he was too liberal for their tastes. It will also appeal to many pro-life women voters who may have been sitting the fence on other issues. I will say, for all of her personal opinions on matters, she's shown, especially with the veto on the anti-gay benefits bill in AK, that she knows what her constituents wish to see happen. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 01 September 2008 at 1:23am
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Yup. Anything she says she believes or represents- she means it and sticks to her guns. She also has a strong sense of what her job and office is. I'm not questioning her credibility, I just disagree with her on several important issues. Valid point about her shoring up 'hard right' republican support- though they were hardly likely to vote Democrat anyway. Still, it will ease the demands on the party and maybe open up some purse strings. ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: WUNgUN
Date Posted: 01 September 2008 at 11:43am
You would really have to search to "find" reasons to hate Uncle Teddy now wouldn't you? That was a meatball over the plate. ------------- [IMG]http://hometown.aol.com/hlwrangler/myhomepage/revised5_copy.jpg"> ""...the Marines we have there now could crush the city and be done with business in four days."--LtGen Conway on Fallujah |
Posted By: Rambino
Date Posted: 01 September 2008 at 11:47am
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The thing is that the "far right" includes many voters who would rather sit the election out than vote for a pro-choice candidate. Palin brings a lot of pro-life credibility, which (IMO) regains some of those voters who might otherwise not have voted at all. At the same time, however, it does seem like this amounts to giving up on a lot of the middle/moderate/independant voters, which is curious. Unless, of course, they do believe that she will be able to bring a bunch of Hillary voters purely on gender. ------------- [IMG]http://i38.tinypic.com/aag8s8.jpg"> |
Posted By: adrenalinejunky
Date Posted: 01 September 2008 at 12:20pm
| she was appearently quite a hit at the rally outside of st. louis the other day, from what i hear ticket requests skyrocketed after his announced she'd be his vp cannidate... somehow they managed to stuff over 23,000 people into a staduim designed to hold about 4,000 |