Holy iMac
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Topic: Holy iMac
Posted By: DeTrevni
Subject: Holy iMac
Date Posted: 04 September 2008 at 6:56pm
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So, I was talking to my animation and multimedia teacher today in regards to Macs. He's an Apple fan, has a whole bunch of history with animation an multimedia and owns his own website developing company. I told him I wanted to be an animator when I get older, which involves a lot of applications, a lot of memory and a lot of hard drive space. He actually suggested I go out and buy a full-on maxed out iMac. - 1TB Serial ATA Drive More than $2500 plus tax and Adobe Creative Suite... That's a lot of money. I can afford the payment plan, but would it be worth it just because I can? I gotta say, that's some impressive stats. ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell" 
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Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 04 September 2008 at 6:58pm
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$2500 computer
or $2500 in hookers and blow Choose wisely. ------------- 
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Posted By: Shub
Date Posted: 04 September 2008 at 6:59pm
| What programs do you want or need to run? If it is just the Adobe Creative Suite, you can get that for Windows, and build or buy a competitive computer for cheaper. |
Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 04 September 2008 at 7:00pm
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Why is it only 3.06 Ghz?
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Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 04 September 2008 at 7:01pm
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It'll be obsolete within a year.
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 04 September 2008 at 7:14pm
Actually, it was obselete at least a year ago. Sheish... you could buy a pc that is so much better for $2500. ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Skillet42565 wrote:Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 04 September 2008 at 7:21pm
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Very valid concern, of which I expressed. I'm still debating building a PC. But I don't have the money in hand for that. A big thing is the payment plan. And a free iPod. :) ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 04 September 2008 at 7:23pm
Yeah. You could build a rig better then mine for 2500 bucks. If you do want OSX, do a vanilla hackintosh build. ------------- 
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Posted By: DzXs
Date Posted: 04 September 2008 at 7:43pm
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i have 280gtx q6600 4gbram 2x250gb raid 0 p5e motherboard kick ass case misc accessories and i paid......1500.... |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 04 September 2008 at 7:46pm
Step one: Get a Credit Card Step Two: Build your computer using said Credit Card Step Three: Automatic payment plan, especially when you get a "Zero Interest" card that has a 1 year introductory rate. Step Four: Profit? ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 04 September 2008 at 8:02pm
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if you dont have previous credit, forget about getting a
2500 limit. also, since you arent going into the animating business for 4 years, wait until then to buy your work computer. for now you can just get by on whats cheap. ------------- 
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Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 04 September 2008 at 8:05pm
Hackintosh FTW. I could put something together using the same components you listed for about a grand. -------------
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Posted By: ¤ Råp¡Ð F¡rè ¤
Date Posted: 04 September 2008 at 8:11pm
Wow  $2,500 for that hardware? What a scam. You could build that yourself for somewhere between half and 2/3 of that price. ------------- 
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Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 04 September 2008 at 8:37pm
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If your going the Mac route don't skimp out on an iMac, get a Mac pro, particularly because that system is crap for what your paying. I would recommend at minimum 8 GBs of RAM with a decent Intel Quad Core. The fact of the matter is multithreading is becoming popular finally, and these processors can be had for relatively cheap. I'm not sure how well Mac pros allow upgrading but this route also offers some future-proofing. Putting a full terabyte on one hard drive without a decent back-up solution strikes me as unwise. Whats more, you'll want good hard drive read/write speeds given that it will likely be your scratch disk as well. If your serious about building a good computer, go the RAID route. I personally prefer RAID 5 or RAID 6, although RAID 0+1 is very nice as well, not mention this will provide redundency. Finally, you wnt to go into graphic design which means most likely you want a powerful rendering gpu, such as something from the Nvidia quadro line. The 8800GS is not a good pick. Good luck! ------------- Real Men play Tuba [IMG]http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/1859/newsmall6xz.jpg"> PH33R TEH 1337 Dwarf! http://www.tippmann.com/forum/wwf77a/log_off_user.asp" rel="nofollow - DONT CLICK ME!!1 |
Posted By: Shub
Date Posted: 04 September 2008 at 8:41pm
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Or you build buy a brand name PC, who will still offer financing and the such, and will sale you a PC for cheaper than the Mac.
People often rip on Dells, usually because they have experience with their $400 Inspiron or whatever, but their XPS, which is a "premium home" and office machine is a decent computer. Even if you bought the top of the line XPS, you'd have a comparable computer for about $1600. Then you'd have the factory support and the big company financing, and you could buy an ipod and save over buying a Mac. |
Posted By: lilsully4
Date Posted: 04 September 2008 at 10:25pm
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You can get a 1Tb for around 150 i think. would that be an option for you just to get a smaller hard drive and a 1TB extra? ------------- 
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 04 September 2008 at 10:58pm
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- 24" display $2,059 or as low as $49 a month and a free iPod Touch or Nano. This is their basic top-o'-the-line iMac. $500 cheaper and still nice. I have to say, I really like Macs. The problem with the MacPro, is I'd still have to purchase a monitor, and a good one isn't cheap. That's the thing with iMacs, their monitor is built in. I'm seriously about to do it...
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Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 04 September 2008 at 11:13pm
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I still say hackintosh. You could do a vanilla OSx86 build with specs alot better than those for under a grand. I would do the following: Motherboard: DFI Lanparty= $150 Processor: Core 2 Quad q6600= $180 Ram: Anything GeIL G.Skill, or Mushkin 4gb of DDR2 800 will run you about $80 Video Card: Personally I would go with an ATI HD48** series card, but I don't know if you can run OSx86 on those yet. So to play it safe, go with the 8800GT.= $110 DVD Drive: about $40 500 Gb HDD: $100 Case+PSU: about $100 Total cost: $760 bucks A 24" monitor will run you about $350. So, even with a 24" monitor you are still looking at only $1100 for a good system if you do it yourself, and it should run OSX fine. Talk to Rfuilrez, he is the hackintosh king. -------------
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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 04 September 2008 at 11:16pm
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ehhhh.... I steer clear of macs due to high hardware and repair costs. Getting a new MoBo and upgrading your processor down the line is much easier and cheaper when you've got a PC. With a Mac, you usually just wind up buying a whole new computer at premium prices all over again. Also, Mac's OS variants cost a lot to upgrade, what they do between their OS versions are basically like what MS does for free with their service packs. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 04 September 2008 at 11:29pm
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Well, another huge factor right now is this: I've got $300 to my name. I can wait for weeks to have a decent PC, at about enough money each week to purchase a decent part, or I can finance a Mac to have and use now. ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: nickname
Date Posted: 05 September 2008 at 12:11am
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Even the $2000 rig that you're considering is still really pricey. Heck, alienware has more bang for your buck. |
Posted By: Predatorr
Date Posted: 05 September 2008 at 12:50am
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Make one. If I had the know-how, I would've built my own PC with some super specs for about the same I paid for my MBP. But I needed a laptop so... |
Posted By: ¤ Råp¡Ð F¡rè ¤
Date Posted: 05 September 2008 at 12:59am
It really isn't hard at all. Anybody can do it. All it is is plugging components into the motherboard and hooking the everything up with cables from the power supply. -------------
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Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 05 September 2008 at 1:02am
You do know that most sites like Newegg offer financing plans right? ------------- Real Men play Tuba [IMG]http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/1859/newsmall6xz.jpg"> PH33R TEH 1337 Dwarf! http://www.tippmann.com/forum/wwf77a/log_off_user.asp" rel="nofollow - DONT CLICK ME!!1 |
Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 05 September 2008 at 1:31am
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You are a retard if you buy the mac, detrev. Look beyond the flashy marketing and realize you're being ripped off. If all you need is financing, Newegg will do it, as Darur already said.
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 05 September 2008 at 1:42am
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Oh, Newegg finances? I'm definitely looking into that. How does that work? I select all the parts I want, total up the order, and get a bill every so often? ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 05 September 2008 at 1:59am
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IDK, I've never done that with them before. I'm pretty sure they tell you all about it on the site though.
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Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 05 September 2008 at 2:07am
http://www.newegg.com/HelpInfo/FAQDetail.aspx?Module=2 - "Bill Me Later" ------------- Real Men play Tuba [IMG]http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/1859/newsmall6xz.jpg"> PH33R TEH 1337 Dwarf! http://www.tippmann.com/forum/wwf77a/log_off_user.asp" rel="nofollow - DONT CLICK ME!!1 |
Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 05 September 2008 at 2:08am
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Hm. After looking around, they say you get a credit limit based on your credit history (I think...). I have none... Edit: I think I misunderstood "Bill Me Later." I may just do that if the issues below allow. Also, a new thought just popped up. It may be Mac or bust. I can argue for a new Mac, as my parents both believe that the Mac is better suited for what I want to do, and they are willing to support that. They will also believe any computer I build will be for gaming (well, if I build the one I want at any rate), and they aren't gonna go for that. Either way, I'm gonna need there help with this as I don't have a credit history. It's not that I'm giving in to the Steve Jobs hype, it's just that if I want a new comp, I may not have much of a choice. Plus, I really do like those iMacs. Edit 2: Good God I sound like a momma's boy. Unfortunately, even if I can apply to Bill Me Later on my own, I'm still gonna need their okay on this. It's just the way it works... ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 05 September 2008 at 2:17am
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Sit them down and explain your situation and the pricing. If they don't go for it the first time around, try explaining your "gaming computer" will still cost less.
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Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 05 September 2008 at 7:34am
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Just tell them that you can build a computer with better specs, and still run the apple OS for cheaper than buying into the hype.
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Posted By: dead bland
Date Posted: 05 September 2008 at 11:18am
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I can't believe you were considering dropping 2500 because some guy told you to.
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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 05 September 2008 at 12:01pm
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I base all my purchasing decisions based on what others tell me to.
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Posted By: JohnnyHopper
Date Posted: 05 September 2008 at 12:04pm
What are decisions? ------------- My shoes of peace have steel toes. |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 05 September 2008 at 12:38pm
Where from? And for gaming? ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: slackerr26
Date Posted: 05 September 2008 at 2:14pm
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alienware laptop ------------- 
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 05 September 2008 at 3:01pm
For serious? ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 05 September 2008 at 4:24pm
Bawww about it. I don't know much about computers. This guy makes his career off them. He has considerably more experience and knowledge than me, and is a teacher. Asking a person who's more experienced in the field I'm interested in seems only a logical step. Besides, what do you think I'm doing now? I'm basing opinions I don't have the knowledge to form off help from others. I'm getting a second opinion. It seems the majority think it's dump to buy a Mac. This strikes me as logical, and I'll act on it. Cry moar. ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 05 September 2008 at 5:22pm
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I'd consider Macs if they were the universal operating system that ran 99% of the things that I use.
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 05 September 2008 at 5:34pm
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Dual-boot with Windows?
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Posted By: Shub
Date Posted: 05 September 2008 at 5:50pm
| Then you'd have a Windows machine that cost you nearly three grand! |
Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 05 September 2008 at 6:12pm
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Wouldn't you have both? Besides. The one I'm looking at now is 2 grand. Still a lot, but like $800 cheaper than the one I posted originally. ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: Ace_Of_Spades
Date Posted: 05 September 2008 at 6:21pm
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but you dont get a free ipod ------------- 
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 05 September 2008 at 6:23pm
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Um, yes I do?
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Posted By: DzXs
Date Posted: 05 September 2008 at 6:28pm
| detrev, srsly i paid a grand under what you wanted, and it kicks the crap out of it...use common sense, mac is all hype |
Posted By: Uncle Rudder
Date Posted: 05 September 2008 at 8:30pm
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Where I come from its a bad idea to buy things when you don't have the money to pay for them... (with the obvious exceptions being a house and maybe a car etc) ------------- 
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 05 September 2008 at 8:42pm
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Maybe if you do it frequently, but this would be the ONE thing I'd have ever used credit for. Heck, even both my vehicles are paid off. Credit is NOT something I want to get too deeply involved in, to be quite honest. ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 05 September 2008 at 8:46pm
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Then buy what you can afford to pay off. It isn't that difficult, much less ONE credit purchase. Your indecisiveness is astounding.
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Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 05 September 2008 at 8:47pm
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Mac = Hype. I think I am going to rant about this on radio tonight. -------------
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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 05 September 2008 at 8:48pm
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Also, cry moar detrev. How else do you plan on having good credit if you never use it? -------------
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 05 September 2008 at 8:57pm
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Dude, HV, I'm talking to Uncle Rudder. Did you even read his comment? I've got no problem financing a computer. I just don't want to get too deeply involved in credit outside of this purchase. Man... ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 05 September 2008 at 9:02pm
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detrev, if they are making enough profit off of your
machine to give you a 200$ gift with it, just think how many hundreds of dollars of profit you arent getting back in the form of "free" stuff.mac is a ripoff. -------------
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Posted By: FarSeer
Date Posted: 05 September 2008 at 10:46pm
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We have a graphics class at school and they use iMacs exclusively. I believe
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Posted By: pb125
Date Posted: 05 September 2008 at 10:57pm
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I don't really understand why people reccomend a windows machine when you are asking for advice on macs. Sure they're more expensive, but if you want a mac, go for it. Making the switch from windows to mac was the best decision I've ever made. It's definitely NOT all hype. I still like windows but I'm pretty sure I'll be a mac user for the rest of my computing days. ------------- 
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 06 September 2008 at 12:27am
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Looks like it may be a Mac regardless of my opinions on the matter. My folks are completely biased towards them, even after explaining the benefits of cost. However, to further sway my opinions, my mother offered to go halfsies. That means I can get the iMac for about a grand, and I'm debating trying to push it to MacPro. So, in light of this, what would it take to dual-boot with Windows so I can game? ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: FarSeer
Date Posted: 06 September 2008 at 1:47am
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you would need a program called Boot Camp. http://www.apple.com/support/bootcamp/ - Here is the documentation on it.
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Posted By: pb125
Date Posted: 06 September 2008 at 3:41am
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boot camp is so easy to use. I have windows installed on my imac and it runs all steam games like a champ. -------------
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 06 September 2008 at 6:31am
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Holy crap... After looking around on Newegg, I may spend the extra grand on the Mac anyway! I can't tell a bleedin' thing apart! ALL the processors look the same, ALL the motherboards look the same, and EVERYTHING else looks the same! And I have no idea what the stats mean! I can't ask questions because I don't even know where to start. Building a computer may be something I do as a side-project in the future, when I have time to figure out what makes one mobo better than another. Unless someone wants to spell every little thing out in regards to custom PC's, then it looks like I'm getting an iMac soon... ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 06 September 2008 at 9:00am
Well its 2:30 in the morning and I have nothing better to do, so if you insist . . . Motherboard: This component will affect you performance-wise very little given that you're not likely to do much overclocking, however it will determine the rest of your build. As such you want something that won't crap out on you and offers support for the platforms you want. I would recommend an Intel based build for you, most likely a P35 chipset, P45 if you feel like spending a bit more for DDR3 and the newer Yorkfeilds, with at least 2 PCI-E 16x ports. Ideal Budget would be about $75 - $150. Processor: Intel quad core would be the best option, probably a Q6600 although you can also check out the newer Yorkfeilds, particularly the Q9450. Your budget here is all personal preference, but I would definetely reccomend between $150 to $400. Memory: This is highly dependent upon which chipset you pick. The P35s mostly take DDR2 and the P45s mostly take DDR3. In either situation you should ignore CAS latency and information like that, it wont affect you. All you care about really is memory frequency. If your going the DDR2 route, get sticks that are less then, or match your mobo's standard. DDR3 1333 (PC 10666) is perfect for DDR3. I'd reccomend at least 4GBs of RAM with an ideal amount of 8GBs. Budget here should be between $50 - $200 for DDR2 and $100-$300 for DDR3. Video card: This is mostly personal preference. If you want to make this strictly for rendering, the quadro line is your best bet. From a personal stand point, I have a hunch you'd get all the power you need and then some from either am ATI 4700x2 or 2 4850s in Crossfire, or even just one 4870. Budget here would be between $150 - $600 depending on your choice. Power supply: Do NOT cheap out on this, probably a good 850w or thereabouts PSU. Stick to either PC Power and Cooling, OCZ, or Silverstone brands. Budget maybe $100 at the lowest and $250 at most. Hard drive: WD Cavier 640 GB is still the best bang for the buck. Go nuts with them if you want to RAID. Most of the rest is personal preference, assuming you go with the highest budget for each component you still fall several hundred dollars shy of the budget for your iMac. I'm half asleep at the time of posting this, hopfully M98commando will come around to correct it.  ------------- Real Men play Tuba [IMG]http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/1859/newsmall6xz.jpg"> PH33R TEH 1337 Dwarf! http://www.tippmann.com/forum/wwf77a/log_off_user.asp" rel="nofollow - DONT CLICK ME!!1 |
Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 06 September 2008 at 9:27am
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Do not buy Western Digital drives.
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Posted By: Shub
Date Posted: 06 September 2008 at 12:29pm
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Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 06 September 2008 at 4:53pm
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WD has fine drives, most people who dislike them remember the old Deathstar days or else happened on a couple of dead drives. Drives die from all manufactures, they don't vary very much these days in failure rates as far as I'm aware.
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Posted By: Shub
Date Posted: 06 September 2008 at 4:57pm
| I know all hard drives fail eventually, and perhaps any hard drive brand is just as susceptible to failure as the next. But in my first hand experience, I have changed a lot of dead hard discs in the past five years, and the majority of them were WD. |
Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 06 September 2008 at 4:59pm
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Hmm. I've been using WD hard drives for a few years now, with no failures yet.
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Posted By: nooranwer
Date Posted: 06 September 2008 at 5:11pm
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Hey anyone tried iphone theme n much more for free (http://www.iphonethemeforpocketpc.com/) on Pocket PC? is it ok to use themes in pocket PC. |
Posted By: mod98commando
Date Posted: 06 September 2008 at 6:07pm
Another thing to mention is that your teacher told you to get a system using a dual-core processor. Dual-core is good but you won't beat a quad-core with it when it comes to multi-threaded applications unless your clock speed is astronomical or you have some other technical advantage. A Q6600 has 4 cores at 2.4GHz. These cores run slower than the two 3.06GHz cores on that Core2 duo but just the fact that there are two more cores will more than make up for it. The best part though is that the quad-core chip is cheaper. Also, while a single 1TB drive is good, you could get two 500GB drives for about the same price and put them in RAID 0. This would give you the same 1TB of storage at roughly twice the speed. The only drawback is that it only takes one drive to fail for the data to be lost. However, the alternative was a single drive anyway so it's not much of a con. The video card he recommended was also pretty lame. I have an 8800GS in the laptop I'm using right now. It's not bad but you can do better in a desktop and it will suck for gaming at anything more than 1280x1024 which you will certainly exceed with a 24" monitor (probably at 1920x1200). In your situation, I would certainly not buy the mac. However, you aren't me so I can't say that you have to do the same. It all depends on how comfortable you are with building a PC yourself and getting the Mac OS on there. I highly recommend it but only you know what you're capable of and what you want so it's up to you. If you decide you want to do it but you have trouble finding parts, send me a PM and I'll find you all the pieces to use. I've done it dozens of times for myself and for others. The hardest part is finding parts that are compatible with each other, putting them together is as simple as plugging things in (most of which can only go one place). I'm more than willing to help out wherever I can. ------------- oreomann33: Everybody invades Poland Rofl_Mao: And everyone eats turkey Me: But only if they're hungary Mack: Yeah but hungary people go russian through their food and end up with greece on everyth |
Posted By: Ace_Of_Spades
Date Posted: 06 September 2008 at 6:29pm
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so...many...words...^ -------------
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Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 06 September 2008 at 8:25pm
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I for one hate WD drives, but since seagate bought them out, I might give them another chance. Dell uses WD drives in the computers at work and I used to see 3-4 failures a week. That kinda scares me.
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Posted By: Glassjaw
Date Posted: 07 September 2008 at 2:25pm
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I've had a WD Raptor for quite some time now with absolutely 0 issues.
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Posted By: adrenalinejunky
Date Posted: 07 September 2008 at 2:46pm
| past couple pc's i've built have had WD drives, havent had any problems with em either. but that doesnt neccessarily mean they dont have a high fail rate... i'll have to look into it more. |
Posted By: mod98commando
Date Posted: 08 September 2008 at 12:29pm
When did WD get bought out by Seagate? I don't remember hearing anything about that. In any case, that's a pretty absurd failure rate, there must have been another factor outside of manufacturer defects. What were those drives used for and how old were they? If they've been used nearly non-stop for years then it's not too unreasonable to see them go out since most drives are only made to last no more than 5 years in a typical desktop. ------------- oreomann33: Everybody invades Poland Rofl_Mao: And everyone eats turkey Me: But only if they're hungary Mack: Yeah but hungary people go russian through their food and end up with greece on everyth |
Posted By: JohnnyHopper
Date Posted: 08 September 2008 at 12:57pm
Ditto. Even their cheapo "My books" are running fine. ------------- My shoes of peace have steel toes. |