Slip of the Tongue?
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Topic: Slip of the Tongue?
Posted By: oldsoldier
Subject: Slip of the Tongue?
Date Posted: 07 September 2008 at 10:08pm
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Muslim Faith? A little awkward for the fence sitters, Freudian or truth?
http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/sep/07/obama-verbal-slip-fuels-his-critics/ - http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/sep/07/obama-verbal-sli p-fuels-his-critics/ |
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Posted By: oreomann33
Date Posted: 07 September 2008 at 10:10pm
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I wish he was Muslim.
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Posted By: Tolgak
Date Posted: 07 September 2008 at 10:11pm
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Ok, so he forgot to say the word "prior" in front of "Muslim faith"... He must be a liberal-leftist-islamo-commie-fascist-lying-pig. ------------- 
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Posted By: merc
Date Posted: 07 September 2008 at 10:12pm
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^duh... ------------- saving the world, one warship at a time. |
Posted By: Monk
Date Posted: 07 September 2008 at 10:16pm
| You forgot Pinko. |
Posted By: JohnnyHopper
Date Posted: 07 September 2008 at 10:21pm
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But does he double dip the salsa? ------------- My shoes of peace have steel toes. |
Posted By: Predatorr
Date Posted: 07 September 2008 at 10:44pm
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Meh, though it was a slip, I still wonder about where his faith really lies. Doesn't matter though, we're all 'mericans here. |
Posted By: Destruction
Date Posted: 07 September 2008 at 10:45pm
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I wonder if he prefers underhand or overhand toilet paper dispension..?
OR IF HE JUST SETS IT ON THE TOILET...?!?!  ------------- u dont know what to do ur getting mottor boatted Men are from Magmar, women are from Venusaur. |
Posted By: Rambino
Date Posted: 07 September 2008 at 11:11pm
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If Obama is a Muslim, he must be the most non-observing Muslim of all time... People are getting WAAYY too excited about this. Besides - irrelevant. Actually, it would probably be better if he were a current Muslim. Leaving Islam is a very serious crime - punishable by death under Sharia. Right now we are looking at a future president that has arguably comitted a cardinal sin under the law of several countries. If Obama were a current practicing Muslim, we would instead have a major diplomatic opportunity with the Middle East. ------------- [IMG]http://i38.tinypic.com/aag8s8.jpg"> |
Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 07 September 2008 at 11:14pm
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So we had to go through a month of idiotic "controversy" because of what his Christian preacher said.
Now, he slips up and says Muslim, and the same people claim that he is OMGISLMOSPY. The general consensus? You have a lower intelligence if something like this actually sways your vote, and you shouldn't be voting in the first place. Not liking Obama is fine, same as not liking McCain is, but for heavens sake (PUN!) have a good reason for it. |
Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 07 September 2008 at 11:44pm
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WE CANT VOTE FOR OBAMA BECAUSE WE ARE AT WAR WITH THE MUSLIMS
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Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 08 September 2008 at 12:14am
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WE HAVE TO VOTE FOR OBAMA, CAUSE HE HAS HOPE FOR CHANGE.
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Posted By: DaveEllis
Date Posted: 08 September 2008 at 12:19am
| I LOVE LAMP |
Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 08 September 2008 at 1:33am
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It is just funny, how the press reacts to these "slips". If Bush or McCain make a "slip" they are considered illeterate and or hiding a fact. Obama makes one and given a pass. Now the MSNBC debacal with Obermann and Matthews dropped from the anchor chairs based again on this quote: "The change — which comes in the home stretch of the long election cycle — is a direct result of tensions associated with the channel’s perceived shift to the political left.
“The most disappointing shift is to see the partisan attitude move from prime time into what’s supposed to be straight news programming,” said Davidson Goldin, formerly the editorial director of MSNBC and a co-founder of the reputation management firm DolceGoldin." Seems MSNBC is in the Berlin April 45 stage of its exsistance. |
Posted By: Destruction
Date Posted: 08 September 2008 at 1:48am
You make it sound like they are so innocent. Barack HUSSEIN Obama? Obama's nose job? Terrorist fist pump? Booty slap? What's all that crap? Neither candidate is getting special treatment. Each party is tearing into the opposing candidate. This whole election is one long, drawn out soap opera.(maybe they all are, but this is the first presidential election since I started following politics, so I wouldn't really know) ------------- u dont know what to do ur getting mottor boatted Men are from Magmar, women are from Venusaur. |
oldsoldier wrote:Posted By: Bruce Banner
Date Posted: 08 September 2008 at 10:10am
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Beyond what Destruction said (with which I agree) - there is a matter of substance and repetition. A slip of bumbling a word or two (saying Sunni when you meant Shi'a) happens to all of us on occasion, and it is just that - a bumble. But when you keep doing those things, at some point we start wondering if maybe you aren't clear on the distinction between the two. This is relatively easy to believe, since many people are not clear on that distinction. Once or twice, everybody gets a pass - but at some point you run out of passes. Compare to a single "muslim faith" slip. First, it's one slip, not a pattern. But more importantly, the underlying substance is that only a complete idiot or conspiracy theorist would believe that Obama is a Muslim. He observes no Muslim rules or behaviors, and specifically violates many of the central tenets of the faith. He would be the least muslim Muslim in all of Islam. If he is a Muslim, then that word has no meaning. The only way Obama is a "Muslim" is if he is some Clancy-esque sleeper terrorist mole guy - and that is where the "conspiracy theorist" part comes in. So if you honestly think that Obama is a Muslim, then you either are a fool or you need to strap on your tin-foil hat. ------------- Waste and excess are not conservative family values http://www.nytimes.com/ref/opinion/07opclassic.html - Nature is not a liberal plot http://pickensplan.com - A Good Energy Plan |
Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 08 September 2008 at 12:38pm
IF YA DONT VOTE OBAMA, YOUR A RACIST! ------------- 
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Posted By: JohnnyHopper
Date Posted: 08 September 2008 at 12:55pm
AND A BITTRCLINGZOARS! ------------- My shoes of peace have steel toes. |
Posted By: adrenalinejunky
Date Posted: 08 September 2008 at 1:09pm
are you making fun of my hat? |
Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 08 September 2008 at 1:13pm
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My question to the informed here, If Obama is being so carefull as to not imply in any fashion that he is a muslim, and in a practiced manner continues to emphisize that fact, it seems a tad bit fascinating that this type of slip occured in a well spoken and practiced speaker.
A comman interrogation technique is to continue to question on an action and or belief and eventually the truth will "slip" out in one of the questionings, as the one getting questions become complacent with his position and "forgets" the no matter how well practiced "lie". Where is the other cop here on the forum, he will verrify the technique. |
Posted By: sporx
Date Posted: 08 September 2008 at 1:18pm
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Posted By: Predatorr
Date Posted: 08 September 2008 at 1:19pm
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While I'm not voting for Obama and don't support him, I will say that it seems like just a slip. Let's not even go into the fact that religion is a tricky thing, something that people change affiliation with as their lives go on. If I'm not mistaken, freedom to do so is something our country was founded on, and it doesn't matter what religion he is. Provided that he's not an extremist (which oh by the way occur in Christianity as well), I'm not really concerned. We all know his history though...it's just not a big deal. This is the nature of the beast. |
Posted By: Bruce Banner
Date Posted: 08 September 2008 at 1:22pm
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Ok, OS - So it is your position that Barack Obama at age 10 (or whatever), started pretending to be a Christian and not a Muslim? That for 35 years he has just been pretending? Not gone to Mosque once, not kneeled towards Mecca once, not read the Koran, not abstained from pork, not observed Ramadan, and instead regularly attended a Christian church, married a Christian woman (in a Christian church) and allowed her (and his daughters) to go about unscarved, baptised his children, and so forth, all the while mentally substituting "Allah" whenever a prayer is said in church? THIS is your position? I just want to be clear about this. ------------- Waste and excess are not conservative family values http://www.nytimes.com/ref/opinion/07opclassic.html - Nature is not a liberal plot http://pickensplan.com - A Good Energy Plan |
Posted By: adrenalinejunky
Date Posted: 08 September 2008 at 2:25pm
have you ever watched the outtake reel from a film? some of the most charismatic people on the face of the planet say DUMB stuff sometimes. it happens, sooner or later everyone mispeaks. i'm not saying you cant get good information that way sometimes, but that doesnt mean there is an untold truth behind every mistake. |
Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 08 September 2008 at 3:20pm
Yes, it does. After evaluating your above statement I know the truth about you. The lack of capitalization at the beginning of your sentences reveals the hidden truth that you generally hate capitals. The fact that you capitalized every letter of the word "dumb" reinforces that. The main reason to not believe in capitals is because you think they are either unnecessary or bad. "DUMB" tells us that you feel the latter. Thus, being against capitals, you would also be against national capitals; which would only be the case if you were opposed to all forms of government. It becomes obvious that you are an anarchist and a threat to this nation. Down with adrenalinejunky! Remove the threat! Edited note: Either that or you need to work on your writing skills. ------------- 
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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 08 September 2008 at 3:31pm
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No, personally I do not believe that Obama is a full practicing Muslim, is he interested and possibly experimenting within the belief system, possible, but unknown. Was his father a practicing muslim based on his origin and roots, again an unknown. Is Obama influenced by any friends or family that are practicing muslims, again unknown. Now the perception that he is "muslim" now is well documented, and this "slip" could further enhance that belief in many.
Does Obama have a differant belief system in social issues than many, yes. Will this "slip" further the anti-Obama influence in the election, yes |
Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 08 September 2008 at 3:35pm
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Way to buy into the crap that Fox News spews.
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Posted By: PaiNTbALLfReNzY
Date Posted: 08 September 2008 at 3:36pm
| What's so bad about being Muslim? |
Posted By: Brian Fellows
Date Posted: 08 September 2008 at 3:36pm
| OBAMA = OSAMA |
Posted By: XtremeBordom
Date Posted: 08 September 2008 at 3:38pm
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I don't believe Obama is a Christian. Besides, he goes to the United Church of Christ which is a backslider's church for gays. I'm not slandering anyone or at least trying not to. But I think that if he were a "fully practicing Christian that proclaims his faith openly" he would go to the right church. Not to say its wrong. If you think what I said was wrong.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech - - *EDIT* And his *former*(yeah right) church pastor is a racist anti-american commy-terrorist. ------------- 
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Posted By: Bruce Banner
Date Posted: 08 September 2008 at 3:50pm
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I love how you manage to claim that Obama is not a Christian in the same post as you denigrate his relationship with his Christian pastor. Nice. ------------- Waste and excess are not conservative family values http://www.nytimes.com/ref/opinion/07opclassic.html - Nature is not a liberal plot http://pickensplan.com - A Good Energy Plan |
Posted By: PaiNTbALLfReNzY
Date Posted: 08 September 2008 at 3:52pm
| I'm pretty sure you're dancing close to the slander line. |
Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 08 September 2008 at 3:52pm
------------- Que pasa? 
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Posted By: XtremeBordom
Date Posted: 08 September 2008 at 3:53pm
Hardly. -------------
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Posted By: Bruce Banner
Date Posted: 08 September 2008 at 3:53pm
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So, basically you don't think he is a Muslim, but you are going to hold his Muslimness against him anyway. That's rational. ------------- Waste and excess are not conservative family values http://www.nytimes.com/ref/opinion/07opclassic.html - Nature is not a liberal plot http://pickensplan.com - A Good Energy Plan |
Posted By: Bruce Banner
Date Posted: 08 September 2008 at 3:54pm
Ah - so Rev. Wright isn't a Christian either, and neither is anybody else in that church? ------------- Waste and excess are not conservative family values http://www.nytimes.com/ref/opinion/07opclassic.html - Nature is not a liberal plot http://pickensplan.com - A Good Energy Plan |
Posted By: XtremeBordom
Date Posted: 08 September 2008 at 3:58pm
Bingo. -------------
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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 08 September 2008 at 3:58pm
| My vote is for McCain either way, this Obama issue does not affect my vote in any way. He could be a scientologist, muslim, buddhist, that part of the issue for me is a non issue. Leadership is earned, and no "gifted" speaker will change my opinion on his social and foriegn policy platforms. |
Posted By: Bruce Banner
Date Posted: 08 September 2008 at 4:00pm
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Soo... why this thread? ------------- Waste and excess are not conservative family values http://www.nytimes.com/ref/opinion/07opclassic.html - Nature is not a liberal plot http://pickensplan.com - A Good Energy Plan |
Posted By: Bruce Banner
Date Posted: 08 September 2008 at 4:00pm
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Oh, I like you. Do you have a newsletter? ------------- Waste and excess are not conservative family values http://www.nytimes.com/ref/opinion/07opclassic.html - Nature is not a liberal plot http://pickensplan.com - A Good Energy Plan |
Posted By: XtremeBordom
Date Posted: 08 September 2008 at 4:01pm
You ask alot of questions. Just like Obama Supporters. And yet they never get a clear answer...... -------------
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Posted By: XtremeBordom
Date Posted: 08 September 2008 at 4:03pm
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:P -------------
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Posted By: Bruce Banner
Date Posted: 08 September 2008 at 4:04pm
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So... what does that make you, then? :P ------------- Waste and excess are not conservative family values http://www.nytimes.com/ref/opinion/07opclassic.html - Nature is not a liberal plot http://pickensplan.com - A Good Energy Plan |
Posted By: XtremeBordom
Date Posted: 08 September 2008 at 4:05pm
:headslap -------------
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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 08 September 2008 at 4:07pm
| Keep up with the news, home and bored. Just observing this circus of an election. The pendulum has swung back to Mcain's side and the Obamites are in a panic. USA Today poll of "likely voters" has McCain ahead by 10pts. By all accounts Obama should be way ahead by this point, that is what I find interesting. Now the back and forth "personal" issue attacks stategy. Attack Palin OK, say anything negative against Obama and a dog pile on the comment occurs. |
Posted By: Bruce Banner
Date Posted: 08 September 2008 at 4:09pm
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You keep saying that like it's true, when even a cursory examination of the facts reveal that it is not. ------------- Waste and excess are not conservative family values http://www.nytimes.com/ref/opinion/07opclassic.html - Nature is not a liberal plot http://pickensplan.com - A Good Energy Plan |
Posted By: Bruce Banner
Date Posted: 08 September 2008 at 4:09pm
I'm too subtle for my own good apparently... Go ahead - ask me a question. Any question. I shall answer. ------------- Waste and excess are not conservative family values http://www.nytimes.com/ref/opinion/07opclassic.html - Nature is not a liberal plot http://pickensplan.com - A Good Energy Plan |
Posted By: XtremeBordom
Date Posted: 08 September 2008 at 4:11pm
You have to examine everything don't you? I bet you are one of those nutcases that believe that GWB did 9/11. -------------
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Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 08 September 2008 at 4:12pm
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Posted By: Bruce Banner
Date Posted: 08 September 2008 at 4:20pm
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Posted By: Bruce Banner
Date Posted: 08 September 2008 at 4:21pm
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Yes. I prefer to form opinions based on fact rather than speculation.
Now, wouldn't that be inconsistent with the previous sentence? ------------- Waste and excess are not conservative family values http://www.nytimes.com/ref/opinion/07opclassic.html - Nature is not a liberal plot http://pickensplan.com - A Good Energy Plan |
Posted By: adrenalinejunky
Date Posted: 08 September 2008 at 4:22pm
i lauged. yeah, i'm going with the whole i need to work on my writing skills thing. i'm just to lazy to capitalize everything (i know that sounds stupid)
so your suggesting that we should free ourselves from silly biases like "fact" and "logic" and just accept everything we are told? as for 9/11 conspiracists being nutcases, i'm not gonna say i know what happened, but i will say there is ALOT of evidence that suggests there is something fishy with the hole thing. /me grabs my tinfoil hat. |
Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 08 September 2008 at 4:24pm
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I do believe I read a new story here recently documenting the level of Washington Post coverage of this election. The higher percentage of stories and photographs go to Obama, the higher percentage positive coverage goes to Obama. The negative stories on Palin are again a higher percentage than any positive coverage. That is the 1st cursory examination of this issue. Exerpts of stories below:
"Washington Post ombudsperson Deborah Howell wrote a column in her own newspaper comparing the paper's front-page coverage of Democratic nominee Barack Obama with that of Republican nominee John McCain. Her findings? Examining stories from June 4, when Obama became the presumptive nominee, until Aug. 15, the Post ran 142 political stories about Obama, compared with 96 about McCain. As to front-page stories, Obama was 35 to McCain's 13. What about photographs? The Post ran, during this time, 143 pics of Obama versus 100 of McCain." "On TV, evening network newscasts gave Democrats 49 percent of their campaign coverage and Republicans 28 percent. As for tone, 39.5 percent of the Democratic coverage was positive and 17.1 percent negative, while 18.6 percent of the Republican coverage was positive versus 37.2 percent negative." Just checking, a "cursory examination" |
Posted By: Bruce Banner
Date Posted: 08 September 2008 at 4:27pm
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That's all very festive, and completely irrelevant to your previous claim. I have no doubt that Obama gets lots and lots of media coverage, and probably more than his fair share. That is not what your comment was about. ------------- Waste and excess are not conservative family values http://www.nytimes.com/ref/opinion/07opclassic.html - Nature is not a liberal plot http://pickensplan.com - A Good Energy Plan |
Posted By: oreomann33
Date Posted: 08 September 2008 at 4:41pm
lol you should work for the Colbert Report. -------------
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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 08 September 2008 at 4:50pm
| NO my comment was about the Obam "slip" and the immediate dismissal of it by again the main media who as the cursory examination of facts leads one to believe is leaning towards Obama. My contention is that if a negative is percieved against Obama there is an immediate dismissal or yes dog pile on the comment. Yet the Palin perception US mag cover of "Babies, Lies, and Scandal" is not even challenged. |
Posted By: Bruce Banner
Date Posted: 08 September 2008 at 4:52pm
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But that's the point - this slip ISN'T a negative. It's just stupid. Only a fool would read anything into this. There have been many, many negative things said and written about Obama. They aren't hard to find. THIS one gets a pass because it is silly. ------------- Waste and excess are not conservative family values http://www.nytimes.com/ref/opinion/07opclassic.html - Nature is not a liberal plot http://pickensplan.com - A Good Energy Plan |
Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 08 September 2008 at 4:55pm
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Silly in the eyes of who/whom. There are many who desire to hear this sort of negativity, on each campaign, by each candidate.
There was a serious "rumormill" of Obama being a muslim, and by a slip he states it in the national media stage, not silly, stupid yes, silly no. A "slip" like this in a hard negotiation will not be seen as "silly" by the foriegn power we are dealing with. |
Posted By: Bruce Banner
Date Posted: 08 September 2008 at 5:07pm
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Yes, but even you admitted that you don't think he is a Muslim. Therefore, even in your eyes it is not a substantive issue, but only a meaningless slip of the tongue. ------------- Waste and excess are not conservative family values http://www.nytimes.com/ref/opinion/07opclassic.html - Nature is not a liberal plot http://pickensplan.com - A Good Energy Plan |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 08 September 2008 at 5:25pm
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The people who would actually let this affect their decision are the same people that shouldn't be allowed to vote. ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: Tolgak
Date Posted: 08 September 2008 at 5:28pm
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I seem to recall somewhere that interrogations, specifically "hard" ones, don't yield reliable answers from captives. Of course people would be up in arms over a slip because people of that sort are malicious in their questionings and are ready to explode at the utterance of one wrong word. XtremeBoredom: There's no such thing as a true Christian. To say so requires that there is a definitive authority on the religion and I couldn't list all who make that claim in even a week's work of research. -------------
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Posted By: adrenalinejunky
Date Posted: 08 September 2008 at 6:25pm
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i can see both sides of the coin tolgak.. and where he's coming from.
on the one side, despite the fact that i dont even know how long it would take to outline all the common disagreements withing christianity on all sorts of issues, however, there are a few solid core beliefs that tend to separate christianity into 2 camps, those who strictly believe and strive to follow the teachings of the bible verbatum, and those who dont. so thus you could define "true" christians as those who actually follow the core tenants and beliefs that the bible teaches, and "fake" christians as those who kinda muddle the details and believe thier own personal take that doesnt neccessarily match up. however, on the other side, exactly who's job is it to define the term/religion/etc of "christianity" |
Posted By: Bruce Banner
Date Posted: 08 September 2008 at 6:29pm
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I think you meant to say you can define "true" christians as "anybody who believes as I do," and "fake" christians as "everybody else"... I never heard anybody describe themselves as a "fake" christian, or describe somebody of different beliefs as a more "true" christian than themselves... :/ ------------- Waste and excess are not conservative family values http://www.nytimes.com/ref/opinion/07opclassic.html - Nature is not a liberal plot http://pickensplan.com - A Good Energy Plan |
Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 08 September 2008 at 6:30pm
1) It is really interesting. The explanation of the hefty number shift, best I can really understand, is that Obama got a below average bump from his VP choice/convention, and McCain got a pretty above average one. The split was about three/ten. Combine that and it looks like McCain rocketed overnight, because he kinda did. 2) Not really true at all over the entire span. Like what has been pointed out, that everything from HE USED TO SMOKE to OMG HIS PREACHER HATES AMERICA to TERRORIST FIST BUMP has been hyped up about Obama. Saying that the media is pulling punches for Obama is simply putting on blinders to reality. As far as TV perception goes, It really depends on the network and which pundits they are tossing up. MSNBC and Fox being the polar opposites. And standard for me defending my own medium, but print is coming out on top of the mess, which is good for me. I mean, you and the TV networks even pulled the poll numbers from USA Today. As a political science junkie and future political reporter, this stuff's cool. |
Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 08 September 2008 at 6:32pm
Are you old enough to vote? |
Posted By: Bruce Banner
Date Posted: 08 September 2008 at 6:32pm
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That's some funny stuff right there. ------------- Waste and excess are not conservative family values http://www.nytimes.com/ref/opinion/07opclassic.html - Nature is not a liberal plot http://pickensplan.com - A Good Energy Plan |
Posted By: adrenalinejunky
Date Posted: 08 September 2008 at 6:36pm
i can certainly see why you would think that, but its hardly the case. honestly its been about a good 8 months since i would apply the term "christian" to myself. i'm not sure what i believe. but when i did, i had many disagreements with people who's "true christianity" (or whatever you want to call it) i would never have questioned. there are many things that just arent made perfectly clear. however, there are some things that are made perfectly clear time and time again, and many "christians" do not believe them thus my stated division of the two camps. personally to me it only stands to reason that the group actually following what the "word of god" says would seem more "deserving" of the term "true christians" but again who's job is it to define that anyway? |
Posted By: Destruction
Date Posted: 09 September 2008 at 12:57am
What do you mean? An African or a European swallow? ------------- u dont know what to do ur getting mottor boatted Men are from Magmar, women are from Venusaur. |
Posted By: Bruce Banner
Date Posted: 09 September 2008 at 10:02am
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Wha-wha-whaaat? Adrenalinejunky is having a crisis of faith? Way to shatter my faith in the world... :( ------------- Waste and excess are not conservative family values http://www.nytimes.com/ref/opinion/07opclassic.html - Nature is not a liberal plot http://pickensplan.com - A Good Energy Plan |
Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 09 September 2008 at 10:05am
Mr. Sloan, this is Mr. Alahad. Your rug just came in, and is ready for delivery. ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: Bruce Banner
Date Posted: 09 September 2008 at 10:12am
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I'm glad SOMEBODY was paying attention... Jeez - I don't know why I even try sometimes. :) ------------- Waste and excess are not conservative family values http://www.nytimes.com/ref/opinion/07opclassic.html - Nature is not a liberal plot http://pickensplan.com - A Good Energy Plan |
Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 09 September 2008 at 10:14am
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Weird... I made a Red October reference on another site
just an hour ago, and now I find myself quoting Executive Orders. I think this is a sign. Once I'm done reading Bernard Cornwell (yet again), I think I need to go back and reread some Clancy (yet again) for my light reading... ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: mbro
Date Posted: 09 September 2008 at 11:36am
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Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos. |
Posted By: adrenalinejunky
Date Posted: 10 September 2008 at 4:07pm
heh, yeah, i'm kinda taking a step backing, reviewing the evidence and my experiences and deciding what to believe. i'm still open to the thought that i could have been right before, i'm just not sure of it. |