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Topic: Go Ahead
Posted By: Skillet42565
Subject: Go Ahead
Date Posted: 15 September 2008 at 4:33pm
As the Candidate for the Pie Party, I want to be open to my people.

Feel free to ask me anything you wish about the party platform.


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Posted By: Uncle Rudder
Date Posted: 15 September 2008 at 4:36pm
How significant will Carlton's role be in influencing your decisions?

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Posted By: lilsully4
Date Posted: 15 September 2008 at 4:36pm

Why should i vote pie? And what are your plans for keeping the peace.

Oh and do I get free pie?



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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 15 September 2008 at 4:40pm
How do you feel about cheesecake?

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Posted By: ammolord
Date Posted: 15 September 2008 at 4:41pm

how do you plan on bringing the forum back to its old self?

and can you fix this annoying "rash"<<<<<<<<<<<<



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Posted By: Ford
Date Posted: 15 September 2008 at 4:42pm
Have you ever had a physical relationship with this "pie" ?

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Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 15 September 2008 at 4:43pm
Originally posted by Mack Mack wrote:

How do you feel about cheesecake?


Cheesecake is a tough subject, as it does not fit the traditional cake stereotype.  Personally, I would consider it more along the lines of a pie, with its crust and then filling with optional toppings.

As to the Carleton question, you must ask yourself "WWCD?"

You don't get free pie, that would do a disservice to pie creators everywhere.

Also, that rash is hopeless.


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Posted By: Ford
Date Posted: 15 September 2008 at 4:48pm
Do you like brownies ?

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Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 15 September 2008 at 4:52pm
I love brownies.  I have never had a physical relationship with pie that didn't end on the porcelain throne.

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Posted By: sporx
Date Posted: 15 September 2008 at 5:13pm
i want to run for something....

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Posted By: brother bland
Date Posted: 15 September 2008 at 5:32pm
Is it actuarry skirret?


Posted By: ammolord
Date Posted: 15 September 2008 at 5:51pm

do you have a spot on the campaign i can fill?

the pie remark made me spit the cake i was eating all over my computer.



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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 15 September 2008 at 6:10pm
15 September 2008

My Dear Fellow forumers:


While confined here in the Royal Military College of Canada, I came across your recent statement calling my present activities "unwise and untimely." Seldom do I pause to answer criticism of my work and ideas. If I sought to answer all the criticisms that cross my desk, my secretaries would have little time for anything other than such correspondence in the course of the day, and I would have no time for constructive work. But since I feel that you are men of genuine good will and that your criticisms are sincerely set forth, I want to try to answer your statement in what I hope will be patient and reasonable terms.


I think I should indicate why I am here at the forum, since you have been influenced by the view which argues against "outsiders coming in." I have the honor of serving as president of the pie eaters united, an organization operating in every southern state, with headquarters in Atlanta, Georgia. We have some eighty five affiliated organizations across the South, and one of them is the Alabama Christian Movement for Human-Pie relations. Frequently we share staff, educational and financial resources with our affiliates. Several months ago the affiliate here asked us to be on call to engage in a nonviolent direct action program if such were deemed necessary. We readily consented, and when the hour came we lived up to our promise. So I, along with several members of my staff, am here because I was invited here. I am here because I have organizational ties here.

But more basically, I am here because injustice is here. Just as the prophets of the eighth century B.C. left their villages and carried their "thus saith the Lord" far beyond the boundaries of their home towns, and just as the Apostle Paul left his village of Tarsus and carried the gospel of Jesus Christ to the far corners of the Greco Roman world, so am I compelled to carry the gospel of freedom beyond my own home town. Like Paul, I must constantly respond to the Macedonian call for aid.

Moreover, I am cognizant of the interrelatedness of all communities and states. I cannot sit idly by in Canada and not be concerned about what happens in the Tippmann forum. Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. We are caught in an inescapable network of mutuality, tied in a single garment of destiny. Whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly. Never again can we afford to live with the narrow, provincial "outside agitator" idea. Anyone who visits the Forum can never be considered an outsider anywhere within its bounds.

You deplore the demonstrations taking place in the forum. But your statement, I am sorry to say, fails to express a similar concern for the conditions that brought about the demonstrations. I am sure that none of you would want to rest content with the superficial kind of social analysis that deals merely with effects and does not grapple with underlying causes. It is unfortunate that demonstrations are taking place in the forum, but it is even more unfortunate that the city's cake power structure left the N... pie community with no alternative.

In any nonviolent campaign there are four basic steps: collection of the facts to determine whether injustices exist; negotiation; self purification; and direct action. We have gone through all these steps in Birmingham. There can be no gainsaying the fact that racial injustice engulfs this community. Tippmann is probably the most thoroughly segregated forum in the Internet. Its ugly record of brutality is widely known. pie men have experienced grossly unjust treatment in the courts. There have been more unsolved bombings of pie factories here than in any other forum on the internet These are the hard, brutal facts of the case. On the basis of these conditions, Pie leaders sought to negotiate with the city fathers. But the latter consistently refused to engage in good faith negotiation.

Then, last September, came the opportunity to talk with leaders of the forum's economic community. In the course of the negotiations, certain promises were made by the merchants--for example, to remove the stores' humiliating anti-pie signs. On the basis of these promises, the Reverend Fred Shuttlesworth and the leaders of the Alabama Christian Movement for Human-pie relations agreed to a moratorium on all demonstrations. As the weeks and months went by, we realized that we were the victims of a broken promise. A few signs, briefly removed, returned; the others remained. As in so many past experiences, our hopes had been blasted, and the shadow of deep disappointment settled upon us. We had no alternative except to prepare for direct action, whereby we would present our very bodies as a means of laying our case before the conscience of the local and the national community. Mindful of the difficulties involved, we decided to undertake a process of self purification. We began a series of workshops on nonviolence, and we repeatedly asked ourselves: "Are you able to accept blows without retaliating?" "Are you able to endure the ordeal of jail?" We decided to schedule our direct action program for the Easter season, realizing that except for Christmas, this is the main shopping period of the year. Knowing that a strong economic-withdrawal program would be the by product of direct action, we felt that this would be the best time to bring pressure to bear on the merchants for the needed change.

Then it occurred to us that the forum`s mayoral election was coming up in October, and we speedily decided to postpone action until after election day. When we discovered that the mods, had piled up enough votes to be in the run off, we decided again to postpone action until the day after the run off so that the demonstrations could not be used to cloud the issues. Like many others, we waited to see Mr. Connor defeated, and to this end we endured postponement after postponement. Having aided in this community need, we felt that our direct action program could be delayed no longer.

You may well ask: "Why direct action? Why sit ins, marches and so forth? Isn't negotiation a better path?" You are quite right in calling for negotiation. Indeed, this is the very purpose of direct action. Nonviolent direct action seeks to create such a crisis and foster such a tension that a community which has constantly refused to negotiate is forced to confront the issue. It seeks so to dramatize the issue that it can no longer be ignored. My citing the creation of tension as part of the work of the nonviolent resister may sound rather shocking. But I must confess that I am not afraid of the word "tension." I have earnestly opposed violent tension, but there is a type of constructive, nonviolent tension which is necessary for growth. Just as Socrates felt that it was necessary to create a tension in the mind so that individuals could rise from the bondage of myths and half truths to the unfettered realm of creative analysis and objective appraisal, so must we see the need for nonviolent gadflies to create the kind of tension in society that will help men rise from the dark depths of prejudice and racism to the majestic heights of understanding and brotherhood. The purpose of our direct action program is to create a situation so crisis packed that it will inevitably open the door to negotiation. I therefore concur with you in your call for negotiation. Too long has our beloved Southland been bogged down in a tragic effort to live in monologue rather than dialogue.

One of the basic points in your statement is that the action that I and my associates have taken in the forum is untimely. Some have asked: "Why didn't you give the new city administration time to act?" The only answer that I can give to this query is that the new forum administration must be prodded about as much as the outgoing one, before it will act. We are sadly mistaken if we feel that the election of bland as mayor will bring the millennium to the forum. While enos is a much more gentle person than rambino, they are both segregationists, dedicated to maintenance of the status quo. I have hope that bland will be reasonable enough to see the futility of massive resistance to desegregation. But he will not see this without pressure from devotees of civil rights. My friends, I must say to you that we have not made a single gain in civil rights without determined legal and nonviolent pressure. Lamentably, it is an historical fact that privileged groups seldom give up their privileges voluntarily. Individuals may see the moral light and voluntarily give up their unjust posture; but, as Reinhold Niebuhr has reminded us, groups tend to be more immoral than individuals.

We know through painful experience that freedom is never voluntarily given by the oppressor; it must be demanded by the oppressed. Frankly, I have yet to engage in a direct action campaign that was "well timed" in the view of those who have not suffered unduly from the disease of segregation. For years now I have heard the word "Wait!" It rings in the ear of every pie man with piercing familiarity. This "Wait" has almost always meant "Never." We must come to see, with one of our distinguished jurists, that "justice too long delayed is justice denied."

We have waited for more than 340 years for our constitutional and God given rights. The tartes and iced cream are moving with jetlike speed toward gaining political independence, but we still creep at horse and buggy pace toward gaining a cup of coffee at a lunch counter. Perhaps it is easy for those who have never felt the stinging darts of segregation to say, "Wait." But when you have seen vicious mobs eat your mothers and fathers at will and eat your sisters and brothers at whim; when you have seen hate filled policemen curse, kick and even kill your pie brothers and sisters; when you see the vast majority of your twenty million pie brothers smothering in an airtight cage of poverty in the midst of an affluent society; when you suddenly find your tongue twisted and your speech stammering as you seek to explain to your six year old daughter why she can't go to the public amusement park that has just been advertised on television, and see tears welling up in her eyes when she is told that Funtown is closed to colored children, and see ominous clouds of inferiority beginning to form in her little mental sky, and see her beginning to distort her personality by developing an unconscious bitterness toward cake people; when you have to concoct an answer for a five year old son who is asking: "Daddy, why do cake people treat pie people so mean?"; when you take a cross county drive and find it necessary to sleep night after night in the uncomfortable corners of your automobile because no motel will accept you; when you are humiliated day in and day out by nagging signs reading "cake" and "pie"; when your first name becomes "pie," your middle name becomes "boy" (however old you are) and your last name becomes "John," and your wife and mother are never given the respected title "Mrs."; when you are harried by day and haunted by night by the fact that you are a cake guy, living constantly at tiptoe stance, never quite knowing what to expect next, and are plagued with inner fears and outer resentments; when you are forever fighting a degenerating sense of "nobodiness"--then you will understand why we find it difficult to wait. There comes a time when the cup of endurance runs over, and men are no longer willing to be plunged into the abyss of despair. I hope, sirs, you can understand our legitimate and unavoidable impatience. You express a great deal of anxiety over our willingness to break laws. This is certainly a legitimate concern. Since we so diligently urge people to obey the Supreme Court's decision of 1954 outlawing segregation in the public schools, at first glance it may seem rather paradoxical for us consciously to break laws. One may well ask: "How can you advocate breaking some laws and obeying others?" The answer lies in the fact that there are two types of laws: just and unjust. I would be the first to advocate obeying just laws. One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws. I would agree with St. Augustine that "an unjust law is no law at all."

Now, what is the difference between the two? How does one determine whether a law is just or unjust? A just law is a man made code that squares with the moral law or the law of God. An unjust law is a code that is out of harmony with the moral law. To put it in the terms of St. Thomas Aquinas: An unjust law is a human law that is not rooted in eternal law and natural law. Any law that uplifts human personality is just. Any law that degrades human personality is unjust. All segregation statutes are unjust because segregation distorts the soul and damages the personality. It gives the segregator a false sense of superiority and the segregated a false sense of inferiority. Segregation, to use the terminology of the Jewish philosopher Martin Buber, substitutes an "I it" relationship for an "I thou" relationship and ends up relegating persons to the status of things. Hence segregation is not only politically, economically and sociologically unsound, it is morally wrong and sinful. Paul Tillich has said that sin is separation. Is not segregation an existential expression of man's tragic separation, his awful estrangement, his terrible sinfulness? Thus it is that I can urge men to obey the 1954 decision of the Supreme Court, for it is morally right; and I can urge them to disobey segregation ordinances, for they are morally wrong.

I wish you had commended the pie sit inners and demonstrators of the forum for their sublime courage, their willingness to suffer and their amazing discipline in the midst of great provocation. One day the forum will recognize its real heroes. They will be the skillets, with the noble sense of purpose that enables them to face jeering and hostile mobs, and with the agonizing loneliness that characterizes the life of the pioneer. They will be old, oppressed, battered pie eating women, symbolized in a seventy two year old woman in Montgomery, Alabama, who rose up with a sense of dignity and with her people decided not to eat cake, and who responded with ungrammatical profundity to one who inquired about her weariness: "My feets is tired, but my soul is at rest." They will be the young high school and college students, the young ministers of the gospel and a host of their elders, courageously and nonviolently sitting in at lunch counters and willingly going to jail for conscience' sake. One day the forum will know that when these disinherited children of God sat down at lunch counters, they were in reality standing up for what is best in the American dream and for the most sacred values in our Judaeo Christian heritage, thereby bringing our nation back to those great wells of democracy which were dug deep by the founding fathers in their formulation of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence.

Never before have I written so long a letter. I'm afraid it is much too long to take your precious time. I can assure you that it would have been much shorter if I had been writing from a comfortable desk, but what else can one do when he is alone in a narrow dorm room, other than write long letters, think long thoughts and pray long prayers?

If I have said anything in this letter that overstates the truth and indicates an unreasonable impatience, I beg you to forgive me. If I have said anything that understates the truth and indicates my having a patience that allows me to settle for anything less than brotherhood, I beg God to forgive me.

I hope this letter finds you strong in the faith. I also hope that circumstances will soon make it possible for me to meet each of you, not as an integrationist or a civil-rights leader but as a fellow clergyman and a pie brother. Let us all hope that the dark clouds of racial prejudice will soon pass away and the deep fog of misunderstanding will be lifted from our fear drenched communities, and in some not too distant tomorrow the radiant stars of love and brotherhood will shine over our great nation with all their scintillating beauty.

Yours for the cause of Peace and Brotherhood,


Carl_the_sniper

SKILLET FOR PRESIDENT OR YOU ARE A RACIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      

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Posted By: Predatorr
Date Posted: 15 September 2008 at 6:10pm
Is all pie created equal?


Posted By: ammolord
Date Posted: 15 September 2008 at 6:11pm

lol, carl, that thread was gone quick.

tl;dr.



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Posted By: Brian Fellows
Date Posted: 15 September 2008 at 6:17pm
Originally posted by Skillet42565 Skillet42565 wrote:

Originally posted by Mack Mack wrote:

How do you feel about cheesecake?


Cheesecake is a tough subject, as it does not fit the traditional cake stereotype.  Personally, I would consider it more along the lines of a pie, with its crust and then filling with optional toppings.

It really is more of a custard pie.


Posted By: lilsully4
Date Posted: 15 September 2008 at 6:22pm

This thread just makes me think:

A long, long time ago...
I can still remember
How that music used to make me smile....



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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 15 September 2008 at 6:49pm
And I knew if I had my chance

That I could make those people dance

And, maybe, they'd be happy for a while.

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Posted By: lilsully4
Date Posted: 15 September 2008 at 6:50pm
But february made me shiver
With every paper I'd deliver.
Bad news on the doorstep;
I couldn't take one more step.


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Posted By: ammolord
Date Posted: 15 September 2008 at 6:52pm

did you make that up or is that realy a poem?



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Posted By: lilsully4
Date Posted: 15 September 2008 at 6:55pm
Originally posted by ammolord ammolord wrote:

did you make that up or is that realy a poem?

Song: American Pie

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNdEu9s5qUU - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNdEu9s5qUU

Quote Recorded and released on the American Pie album in 1971, the single was a number-one U.S. hit for four weeks in 1972. The song is an abstract story of his life that starts with the deaths of Buddy Holly, Ritchie Valens, and J. P. Richardson (The Big Bopper) in a plane crash in 1959, and ends in 1970; in the song he called the plane crash "the day the music died,".



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Posted By: ammolord
Date Posted: 15 September 2008 at 6:57pm
oh ya, lol.

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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 15 September 2008 at 7:00pm


What is your opinion on postpartum abortion?



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Posted By: cdacda13
Date Posted: 15 September 2008 at 7:07pm
Originally posted by ammolord ammolord wrote:

did you make that up or is that realy a poem?


Leave/


Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 15 September 2008 at 8:30pm
Originally posted by carl_the_sniper carl_the_sniper wrote:



What is your opinion on postpartum abortion?



In pie?  Hmm...


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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 15 September 2008 at 10:38pm
How about cream pies?

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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 15 September 2008 at 11:36pm
Originally posted by cdacda13 cdacda13 wrote:

Originally posted by ammolord ammolord wrote:

did you make that up or is that realy a poem?


Leave/

now!


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Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 15 September 2008 at 11:38pm
My people, do not hate!

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Posted By: bravecoward
Date Posted: 16 September 2008 at 3:01am
Why dont you call anymore?

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Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 16 September 2008 at 10:03am
Originally posted by bravecoward bravecoward wrote:

Why dont you call anymore?


You stopped making breakfast in the morning.


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Posted By: ThatGuitarGuy
Date Posted: 16 September 2008 at 10:41am
Your thoughts on whipped cream.

It makes for a great pie topping, but what do you think about it as a topping for women?


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Posted By: JohnnyHopper
Date Posted: 16 September 2008 at 10:58am
What would you do if a bus were dangling off a bridge, it had 30 orphans holding kittens who (the orphans) were all a perfect cross section of races, gender, gender orientation and disorientation, all religions and the only thing balancing the bus was a perfect pie cooled to the optimum temperature sitting on the rear seat of the bus near the emergency exit and the driver had the ice cream?









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Posted By: adrenalinejunky
Date Posted: 16 September 2008 at 11:36am
Originally posted by carl_the_sniper carl_the_sniper wrote:

15 September 2008

My Dear Fellow forumers:


While confined here in the Royal Military College of Canada, I came across your recent statement calling my present activities "unwise and untimely." Seldom do I pause to answer criticism of my work and ideas. If I sought to answer all the criticisms that cross my desk, my secretaries would have little time for anything other than such correspondence in the course of the day, and I would have no time for constructive work. But since I feel that you are men of genuine good will and that your criticisms are sincerely set forth, I want to try to answer your statement in what I hope will be patient and reasonable terms.


I think I should indicate why I am here at the forum, since you have been influenced by the view which argues against "outsiders coming in." I have the honor of serving as president of the pie eaters united, an organization operating in every southern state, with headquarters in Atlanta, Georgia. We have some eighty five affiliated organizations across the South, and one of them is the Alabama Christian Movement for Human-Pie relations. Frequently we share staff, educational and financial resources with our affiliates. Several months ago the affiliate here asked us to be on call to engage in a nonviolent direct action program if such were deemed necessary. We readily consented, and when the hour came we lived up to our promise. So I, along with several members of my staff, am here because I was invited here. I am here because I have organizational ties here.

But more basically, I am here because injustice is here. Just as the prophets of the eighth century B.C. left their villages and carried their "thus saith the Lord" far beyond the boundaries of their home towns, and just as the Apostle Paul left his village of Tarsus and carried the gospel of Jesus Christ to the far corners of the Greco Roman world, so am I compelled to carry the gospel of freedom beyond my own home town. Like Paul, I must constantly respond to the Macedonian call for aid.

Moreover, I am cognizant of the interrelatedness of all communities and states. I cannot sit idly by in Canada and not be concerned about what happens in the Tippmann forum. Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. We are caught in an inescapable network of mutuality, tied in a single garment of destiny. Whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly. Never again can we afford to live with the narrow, provincial "outside agitator" idea. Anyone who visits the Forum can never be considered an outsider anywhere within its bounds.

You deplore the demonstrations taking place in the forum. But your statement, I am sorry to say, fails to express a similar concern for the conditions that brought about the demonstrations. I am sure that none of you would want to rest content with the superficial kind of social analysis that deals merely with effects and does not grapple with underlying causes. It is unfortunate that demonstrations are taking place in the forum, but it is even more unfortunate that the city's cake power structure left the N... pie community with no alternative.

In any nonviolent campaign there are four basic steps: collection of the facts to determine whether injustices exist; negotiation; self purification; and direct action. We have gone through all these steps in Birmingham. There can be no gainsaying the fact that racial injustice engulfs this community. Tippmann is probably the most thoroughly segregated forum in the Internet. Its ugly record of brutality is widely known. pie men have experienced grossly unjust treatment in the courts. There have been more unsolved bombings of pie factories here than in any other forum on the internet These are the hard, brutal facts of the case. On the basis of these conditions, Pie leaders sought to negotiate with the city fathers. But the latter consistently refused to engage in good faith negotiation.

Then, last September, came the opportunity to talk with leaders of the forum's economic community. In the course of the negotiations, certain promises were made by the merchants--for example, to remove the stores' humiliating anti-pie signs. On the basis of these promises, the Reverend Fred Shuttlesworth and the leaders of the Alabama Christian Movement for Human-pie relations agreed to a moratorium on all demonstrations. As the weeks and months went by, we realized that we were the victims of a broken promise. A few signs, briefly removed, returned; the others remained. As in so many past experiences, our hopes had been blasted, and the shadow of deep disappointment settled upon us. We had no alternative except to prepare for direct action, whereby we would present our very bodies as a means of laying our case before the conscience of the local and the national community. Mindful of the difficulties involved, we decided to undertake a process of self purification. We began a series of workshops on nonviolence, and we repeatedly asked ourselves: "Are you able to accept blows without retaliating?" "Are you able to endure the ordeal of jail?" We decided to schedule our direct action program for the Easter season, realizing that except for Christmas, this is the main shopping period of the year. Knowing that a strong economic-withdrawal program would be the by product of direct action, we felt that this would be the best time to bring pressure to bear on the merchants for the needed change.

Then it occurred to us that the forum`s mayoral election was coming up in October, and we speedily decided to postpone action until after election day. When we discovered that the mods, had piled up enough votes to be in the run off, we decided again to postpone action until the day after the run off so that the demonstrations could not be used to cloud the issues. Like many others, we waited to see Mr. Connor defeated, and to this end we endured postponement after postponement. Having aided in this community need, we felt that our direct action program could be delayed no longer.

You may well ask: "Why direct action? Why sit ins, marches and so forth? Isn't negotiation a better path?" You are quite right in calling for negotiation. Indeed, this is the very purpose of direct action. Nonviolent direct action seeks to create such a crisis and foster such a tension that a community which has constantly refused to negotiate is forced to confront the issue. It seeks so to dramatize the issue that it can no longer be ignored. My citing the creation of tension as part of the work of the nonviolent resister may sound rather shocking. But I must confess that I am not afraid of the word "tension." I have earnestly opposed violent tension, but there is a type of constructive, nonviolent tension which is necessary for growth. Just as Socrates felt that it was necessary to create a tension in the mind so that individuals could rise from the bondage of myths and half truths to the unfettered realm of creative analysis and objective appraisal, so must we see the need for nonviolent gadflies to create the kind of tension in society that will help men rise from the dark depths of prejudice and racism to the majestic heights of understanding and brotherhood. The purpose of our direct action program is to create a situation so crisis packed that it will inevitably open the door to negotiation. I therefore concur with you in your call for negotiation. Too long has our beloved Southland been bogged down in a tragic effort to live in monologue rather than dialogue.

One of the basic points in your statement is that the action that I and my associates have taken in the forum is untimely. Some have asked: "Why didn't you give the new city administration time to act?" The only answer that I can give to this query is that the new forum administration must be prodded about as much as the outgoing one, before it will act. We are sadly mistaken if we feel that the election of bland as mayor will bring the millennium to the forum. While enos is a much more gentle person than rambino, they are both segregationists, dedicated to maintenance of the status quo. I have hope that bland will be reasonable enough to see the futility of massive resistance to desegregation. But he will not see this without pressure from devotees of civil rights. My friends, I must say to you that we have not made a single gain in civil rights without determined legal and nonviolent pressure. Lamentably, it is an historical fact that privileged groups seldom give up their privileges voluntarily. Individuals may see the moral light and voluntarily give up their unjust posture; but, as Reinhold Niebuhr has reminded us, groups tend to be more immoral than individuals.

We know through painful experience that freedom is never voluntarily given by the oppressor; it must be demanded by the oppressed. Frankly, I have yet to engage in a direct action campaign that was "well timed" in the view of those who have not suffered unduly from the disease of segregation. For years now I have heard the word "Wait!" It rings in the ear of every pie man with piercing familiarity. This "Wait" has almost always meant "Never." We must come to see, with one of our distinguished jurists, that "justice too long delayed is justice denied."

We have waited for more than 340 years for our constitutional and God given rights. The tartes and iced cream are moving with jetlike speed toward gaining political independence, but we still creep at horse and buggy pace toward gaining a cup of coffee at a lunch counter. Perhaps it is easy for those who have never felt the stinging darts of segregation to say, "Wait." But when you have seen vicious mobs eat your mothers and fathers at will and eat your sisters and brothers at whim; when you have seen hate filled policemen curse, kick and even kill your pie brothers and sisters; when you see the vast majority of your twenty million pie brothers smothering in an airtight cage of poverty in the midst of an affluent society; when you suddenly find your tongue twisted and your speech stammering as you seek to explain to your six year old daughter why she can't go to the public amusement park that has just been advertised on television, and see tears welling up in her eyes when she is told that Funtown is closed to colored children, and see ominous clouds of inferiority beginning to form in her little mental sky, and see her beginning to distort her personality by developing an unconscious bitterness toward cake people; when you have to concoct an answer for a five year old son who is asking: "Daddy, why do cake people treat pie people so mean?"; when you take a cross county drive and find it necessary to sleep night after night in the uncomfortable corners of your automobile because no motel will accept you; when you are humiliated day in and day out by nagging signs reading "cake" and "pie"; when your first name becomes "pie," your middle name becomes "boy" (however old you are) and your last name becomes "John," and your wife and mother are never given the respected title "Mrs."; when you are harried by day and haunted by night by the fact that you are a cake guy, living constantly at tiptoe stance, never quite knowing what to expect next, and are plagued with inner fears and outer resentments; when you are forever fighting a degenerating sense of "nobodiness"--then you will understand why we find it difficult to wait. There comes a time when the cup of endurance runs over, and men are no longer willing to be plunged into the abyss of despair. I hope, sirs, you can understand our legitimate and unavoidable impatience. You express a great deal of anxiety over our willingness to break laws. This is certainly a legitimate concern. Since we so diligently urge people to obey the Supreme Court's decision of 1954 outlawing segregation in the public schools, at first glance it may seem rather paradoxical for us consciously to break laws. One may well ask: "How can you advocate breaking some laws and obeying others?" The answer lies in the fact that there are two types of laws: just and unjust. I would be the first to advocate obeying just laws. One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws. I would agree with St. Augustine that "an unjust law is no law at all."

Now, what is the difference between the two? How does one determine whether a law is just or unjust? A just law is a man made code that squares with the moral law or the law of God. An unjust law is a code that is out of harmony with the moral law. To put it in the terms of St. Thomas Aquinas: An unjust law is a human law that is not rooted in eternal law and natural law. Any law that uplifts human personality is just. Any law that degrades human personality is unjust. All segregation statutes are unjust because segregation distorts the soul and damages the personality. It gives the segregator a false sense of superiority and the segregated a false sense of inferiority. Segregation, to use the terminology of the Jewish philosopher Martin Buber, substitutes an "I it" relationship for an "I thou" relationship and ends up relegating persons to the status of things. Hence segregation is not only politically, economically and sociologically unsound, it is morally wrong and sinful. Paul Tillich has said that sin is separation. Is not segregation an existential expression of man's tragic separation, his awful estrangement, his terrible sinfulness? Thus it is that I can urge men to obey the 1954 decision of the Supreme Court, for it is morally right; and I can urge them to disobey segregation ordinances, for they are morally wrong.

I wish you had commended the pie sit inners and demonstrators of the forum for their sublime courage, their willingness to suffer and their amazing discipline in the midst of great provocation. One day the forum will recognize its real heroes. They will be the skillets, with the noble sense of purpose that enables them to face jeering and hostile mobs, and with the agonizing loneliness that characterizes the life of the pioneer. They will be old, oppressed, battered pie eating women, symbolized in a seventy two year old woman in Montgomery, Alabama, who rose up with a sense of dignity and with her people decided not to eat cake, and who responded with ungrammatical profundity to one who inquired about her weariness: "My feets is tired, but my soul is at rest." They will be the young high school and college students, the young ministers of the gospel and a host of their elders, courageously and nonviolently sitting in at lunch counters and willingly going to jail for conscience' sake. One day the forum will know that when these disinherited children of God sat down at lunch counters, they were in reality standing up for what is best in the American dream and for the most sacred values in our Judaeo Christian heritage, thereby bringing our nation back to those great wells of democracy which were dug deep by the founding fathers in their formulation of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence.

Never before have I written so long a letter. I'm afraid it is much too long to take your precious time. I can assure you that it would have been much shorter if I had been writing from a comfortable desk, but what else can one do when he is alone in a narrow dorm room, other than write long letters, think long thoughts and pray long prayers?

If I have said anything in this letter that overstates the truth and indicates an unreasonable impatience, I beg you to forgive me. If I have said anything that understates the truth and indicates my having a patience that allows me to settle for anything less than brotherhood, I beg God to forgive me.

I hope this letter finds you strong in the faith. I also hope that circumstances will soon make it possible for me to meet each of you, not as an integrationist or a civil-rights leader but as a fellow clergyman and a pie brother. Let us all hope that the dark clouds of racial prejudice will soon pass away and the deep fog of misunderstanding will be lifted from our fear drenched communities, and in some not too distant tomorrow the radiant stars of love and brotherhood will shine over our great nation with all their scintillating beauty.

Yours for the cause of Peace and Brotherhood,


Carl_the_sniper

SKILLET FOR PRESIDENT OR YOU ARE A RACIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      


holy crap dude, you have way too much time on your hands...


speaking as a "fence sitter" though, the fact that you can speak with such elegance and at such great length proves your devotion to your message, i wonder how the other party plans to counter that?


Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 16 September 2008 at 12:14pm
Originally posted by JohnnyHopper JohnnyHopper wrote:

What would you do if a bus were dangling off a bridge, it had 30 orphans holding kittens who (the orphans) were all a perfect cross section of races, gender, gender orientation and disorientation, all religions and the only thing balancing the bus was a perfect pie cooled to the optimum temperature sitting on the rear seat of the bus near the emergency exit and the driver had the ice cream?


Tough call.  Firstly, I would probably call the police and get the children off the bus, then I would get my pie and eat it in front of those hungry orphans.

Originally posted by ThatGuitarGuy ThatGuitarGuy wrote:

Your thoughts on whipped cream.

It makes for a great pie topping, but what do you think about it as a topping for women?


It is a delicious topping for women as well!  Other substitutes include chocolate syrup, etc.


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Posted By: STOcocker
Date Posted: 16 September 2008 at 12:49pm
How do you feel about pizza? Some people do refer to it as a pizza PIE.


Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 16 September 2008 at 1:35pm
I love pizza.

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Posted By: ammolord
Date Posted: 16 September 2008 at 5:45pm
you like pizza you say? what kind? answer right and you have my vote.........

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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 16 September 2008 at 5:52pm
Isn't it true that you are, in fact, ineligible to run, as your birth certificate actually reads 'Skirret42565', and moreover shows that you were born in Asia?

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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 16 September 2008 at 7:23pm
Originally posted by Skillet42565 Skillet42565 wrote:

Originally posted by JohnnyHopper JohnnyHopper wrote:

What would you do if a bus were dangling off a bridge, it had 30 orphans holding kittens who (the orphans) were all a perfect cross section of races, gender, gender orientation and disorientation, all religions and the only thing balancing the bus was a perfect pie cooled to the optimum temperature sitting on the rear seat of the bus near the emergency exit and the driver had the ice cream?


Tough call.  Firstly, I would probably call the police and get the children off the bus, then I would get my pie and eat it in front of those hungry orphans.


I now doubt your devotion to pie. 

The correct response is below:
  • Tell everyone to hold perfectly still so that the bus remains balanced.  (I would also specify that each child must maintain control of their respective kittens.)
  • Climb on the bumper to add more weight to the back of the bus.
  • Instruct the driver (and orphans) to pass the ice cream back from child to child with minimal movement.
    • This would be explained as a way to move even more weight safely to the back of the bus.
  • Have the child at the back of the bus hand me the ice cream.
  • Grab the pie off of the seat and step off of the bumper.
  • Find a comfortable spot to enjoy the pie and ice cream.


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Posted By: Uncle Rudder
Date Posted: 16 September 2008 at 7:24pm

Would you care to clear up these rumors/mud slinging that claim that you had an affair with cake?



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Posted By: ammolord
Date Posted: 16 September 2008 at 7:31pm
Originally posted by Mack Mack wrote:

Originally posted by Skillet42565 Skillet42565 wrote:

Originally posted by JohnnyHopper JohnnyHopper wrote:

What would you do if a bus were dangling off a bridge, it had 30 orphans holding kittens who (the orphans) were all a perfect cross section of races, gender, gender orientation and disorientation, all religions and the only thing balancing the bus was a perfect pie cooled to the optimum temperature sitting on the rear seat of the bus near the emergency exit and the driver had the ice cream?


Tough call.  Firstly, I would probably call the police and get the children off the bus, then I would get my pie and eat it in front of those hungry orphans.


I now doubt your devotion to pie. 

The correct response is below:
  • Tell everyone to hold perfectly still so that the bus remains balanced.  (I would also specify that each child must maintain control of their respective kittens.)
  • Climb on the bumper to add more weight to the back of the bus.
  • Instruct the driver (and orphans) to pass the ice cream back from child to child with minimal movement.
    • This would be explained as a way to move even more weight safely to the back of the bus.
  • Have the child at the back of the bus hand me the ice cream.
  • Grab the pie off of the seat and step off of the bumper.
  • Find a comfortable spot to enjoy the pie and ice cream.
ya, when i saw that question, that what i thought the ansewr would be.

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Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 16 September 2008 at 7:35pm
Originally posted by Mack Mack wrote:

Originally posted by Skillet42565 Skillet42565 wrote:

Originally posted by JohnnyHopper JohnnyHopper wrote:

What would you do if a bus were dangling off a bridge, it had 30 orphans holding kittens who (the orphans) were all a perfect cross section of races, gender, gender orientation and disorientation, all religions and the only thing balancing the bus was a perfect pie cooled to the optimum temperature sitting on the rear seat of the bus near the emergency exit and the driver had the ice cream?


Tough call.  Firstly, I would probably call the police and get the children off the bus, then I would get my pie and eat it in front of those hungry orphans.


I now doubt your devotion to pie. 

The correct response is below:
  • Tell everyone to hold perfectly still so that the bus remains balanced.  (I would also specify that each child must maintain control of their respective kittens.)
  • Climb on the bumper to add more weight to the back of the bus.
  • Instruct the driver (and orphans) to pass the ice cream back from child to child with minimal movement.
    • This would be explained as a way to move even more weight safely to the back of the bus.
  • Have the child at the back of the bus hand me the ice cream.
  • Grab the pie off of the seat and step off of the bumper.
  • Find a comfortable spot to enjoy the pie and ice cream.


That's too much work when I could simply take my pie and enjoy a show as the bus plummeted to the rocks below while I enjoyed my lemony goodness!

Also, as to the cake rumors, they are completely false.  Anyone who knows me knows of my love for pie.


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Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 16 September 2008 at 7:40pm
Why wasn't I granted the VP spot? You know you want me to have it.

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Posted By: ammolord
Date Posted: 16 September 2008 at 7:41pm

whats your choice of toppings on a pizza if you have anny at all?

and who would you help first in an accedent:

  • a burning bus full of orphans
  • a burning bus full of old pepole
  • an un-injured, un-harmed pie maker


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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 16 September 2008 at 7:54pm
Speaking of... how about pizza pie?

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Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 16 September 2008 at 7:54pm
USAF, didnt ask me in time, sadly.  Talk to Mehs if you want his spot.  He hasn't been active in a while.

I would save the pie maker.  Orphans and Old People are useless and only serve to eat the pie.


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Posted By: ammolord
Date Posted: 16 September 2008 at 7:59pm
skillet, need anny other spots filled?

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Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 16 September 2008 at 8:15pm
Your moms.

OH SNAP


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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 16 September 2008 at 8:42pm

Originally posted by Skillet42565 Skillet42565 wrote:

Your moms.

OH SNAP

Consider it done.



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Posted By: Glassjaw
Date Posted: 16 September 2008 at 9:08pm
Not sure if it's been asked, but what is your favorite type of pie?

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Posted By: ammolord
Date Posted: 16 September 2008 at 10:05pm
ok, give me 5 reasons why we should vote for you/pie.

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Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 16 September 2008 at 10:06pm
Originally posted by ammolord ammolord wrote:

ok, give me 5 reasons why we should vote for you/pie.


We don't need your vote.  


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Posted By: Kingtiger
Date Posted: 16 September 2008 at 10:57pm
What are the purest of pies?


Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 16 September 2008 at 11:11pm
Tough call.  My personal favorite is lemon, but the classics of chocolate, vanilla, pumpkin and butterscotch cannot be denied... along with many other types.

All pie is equal and awesome.


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Posted By: PaiNTbALLfReNzY
Date Posted: 17 September 2008 at 8:11am
How do you feel about ice cream cake?


Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 17 September 2008 at 8:12am
Originally posted by PaiNTbALLfReNzY PaiNTbALLfReNzY wrote:

How do you feel about ice cream cake?


I've had better

inb4 thats what she said


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Posted By: Tical3.0
Date Posted: 17 September 2008 at 8:14am
Thats what it said...

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Posted By: PaiNTbALLfReNzY
Date Posted: 17 September 2008 at 8:15am
How do you prepare to lul (or lol) the cake minority in swing states into a false sense of security?


Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 17 September 2008 at 8:19am
Cheesecake.

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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 17 September 2008 at 10:52am
Originally posted by Skillet42565 Skillet42565 wrote:

Originally posted by Mack Mack wrote:

Originally posted by Skillet42565 Skillet42565 wrote:

Originally posted by JohnnyHopper JohnnyHopper wrote:

What would you do if a bus were dangling off a bridge, it had 30 orphans holding kittens who (the orphans) were all a perfect cross section of races, gender, gender orientation and disorientation, all religions and the only thing balancing the bus was a perfect pie cooled to the optimum temperature sitting on the rear seat of the bus near the emergency exit and the driver had the ice cream?


Tough call.  Firstly, I would probably call the police and get the children off the bus, then I would get my pie and eat it in front of those hungry orphans.


I now doubt your devotion to pie. 

The correct response is below:
  • Tell everyone to hold perfectly still so that the bus remains balanced.  (I would also specify that each child must maintain control of their respective kittens.)
  • Climb on the bumper to add more weight to the back of the bus.
  • Instruct the driver (and orphans) to pass the ice cream back from child to child with minimal movement.
    • This would be explained as a way to move even more weight safely to the back of the bus.
  • Have the child at the back of the bus hand me the ice cream.
  • Grab the pie off of the seat and step off of the bumper.
  • Find a comfortable spot to enjoy the pie and ice cream.


That's too much work . . .

The work is necessary in order to enjoy the pie with ice cream.

. . . when I could simply take my pie and enjoy a show as the bus plummeted to the rocks . . .

Taking the ice cream (which was at the front counter-balancing the pie at the back) has the potential to leave the bus balanced once I get off of the bumper.  (Also, the continued balancing of the bus has the potential for a much longer "show".)

. . . below while I enjoyed my lemony goodness!

No one ever said it was lemon pie.  We now know your favorite type of pie.  (I find your choice acceptable.)

Also, as to the cake rumors, they are completely false.  Anyone who knows me knows of my love for pie.

Skillet has never done anything that would indicate a fondness for cake.  The unsubstantiated mud-slinging is unacceptable.


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Posted By: ThatGuitarGuy
Date Posted: 17 September 2008 at 10:57am
What is your foreign pie policy?

What if a frenchman were to offer you a pie?

A Russian?

An Iraqi?

Also, what if said frenchman (or other) were to attack your pie, calling it bad names and such?


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Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 17 September 2008 at 12:24pm
Originally posted by ThatGuitarGuy ThatGuitarGuy wrote:

What is your foreign pie policy?

What if a frenchman were to offer you a pie?

A Russian?

An Iraqi?

Also, what if said frenchman (or other) were to attack your pie, calling it bad names and such?


Pie in any country is pie.  We should stand UNITED in pie, not divided.
HOPE CHANGE ETC!

If someone were to ATTACK the pie, it would be unacceptable, and we would take measures to ensure its peace and tranquility.

Also, I <3 Mack.


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Posted By: Kingtiger
Date Posted: 17 September 2008 at 7:26pm
Skillet for forum President!


Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 17 September 2008 at 7:53pm
Thank you my good man!

I look forward to crushing the cake party in November with this overwhelming support!


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Posted By: Brian Fellows
Date Posted: 17 September 2008 at 8:15pm
Originally posted by Skillet42565 Skillet42565 wrote:

Pie in any country is pie.  We should stand UNITED in pie, not divided.
HOPE CHANGE ETC!

So don't divide the pie into slices, then?


Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 17 September 2008 at 8:15pm
Originally posted by Brian Fellows Brian Fellows wrote:

Originally posted by Skillet42565 Skillet42565 wrote:

Pie in any country is pie.  We should stand UNITED in pie, not divided.
HOPE CHANGE ETC!

So don't divide the pie into slices, then?


You should be able to finish a whole pie in one sitting.


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Posted By: sporx
Date Posted: 17 September 2008 at 10:54pm
what are the given offices for this forum anyways? are there any?

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Posted By: AoSpades
Date Posted: 17 September 2008 at 10:56pm
what do you think of pies to the face?


Posted By: sporx
Date Posted: 17 September 2008 at 10:57pm
Originally posted by AoSpades AoSpades wrote:

what do you think of pies to the face?
why waste a perfectly good pie?

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Posted By: procarbinefreak
Date Posted: 18 September 2008 at 12:34am
what's your stance on rhubarb?  


Posted By: Uncle Rudder
Date Posted: 18 September 2008 at 2:06am

Skillet, you make it hurt so good, but why does your love not feel like it should?



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Posted By: empirestate
Date Posted: 18 September 2008 at 9:49am
if there will be punch, in addition to the pie, you have my vote sir


Posted By: Brian Fellows
Date Posted: 18 September 2008 at 9:52am
Originally posted by empirestate empirestate wrote:

if there will be punch, in addition to the pie, you have my vote sir

SHORIYUKEN!


Posted By: Pariel
Date Posted: 18 September 2008 at 11:08am
Originally posted by procarbinefreak procarbinefreak wrote:

what's your stance on rhubarb?  


2nded.

How about porcupi (ie: plural of porcupine)?

And pirates?


Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 18 September 2008 at 11:10am
Originally posted by Pariel Pariel wrote:



How about porcupi (ie: plural of porcupine)?



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Posted By: AoSpades
Date Posted: 18 September 2008 at 11:13am
what are your views on the evil imitation that is Mud Pies?


Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 18 September 2008 at 12:07pm
I don't know......Do you plan on catering to the minority that is the moon pie? or are they a group that your campaign seeks to alienate since their deviance from the conventional definition of 'pie' is obvious, and somewhat disturbing?

True Pie supporters might waiver should you throw your backing behind the Moon Pie crowd, but then again- if equality of Pie is really important on your ticket, you might want to risk catering to the Moon Pies.

Its a gamble, I'm going to withhold my support until I see your stance on this one.

Single Issue Voters FTW!


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Posted By: Brian Fellows
Date Posted: 18 September 2008 at 12:14pm
We really should come up with a solid definition of "pie".  I've seen things referred to as pies, that don't even closely resemble a conventional pie.

Maybe Rambino could put it into legalese for us.


Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 18 September 2008 at 12:18pm
As soon as you start to rigidly define something, you'll start to alienate others. Why risk losing votes based on technical definition when you can harness the voters with vague definitions, false pretenses and murky, ill defined policy?




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Posted By: Brian Fellows
Date Posted: 18 September 2008 at 12:21pm
Originally posted by Reb Cpl Reb Cpl wrote:

As soon as you start to rigidly define something, you'll start to alienate others. Why risk losing votes based on technical definition when you can harness the voters with vague definitions, false pretenses and murky, ill defined policy?



I'm going to counter with a logical fallacy.  The slippery-slope argument, specifically.  Once we abandon the notion of a solid definition of pie, couldn't, then, ANYTHING be potentially defined as pie?

Do you, for example, want to see a wombat considered a pie?

DO YOU?!


Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 18 September 2008 at 12:24pm
Originally posted by Brian Fellows Brian Fellows wrote:


I'm going to counter with a logical fallacy.  The slippery-slope argument, specifically.  Once we abandon the notion of a solid definition of pie, couldn't, then, ANYTHING be potentially defined as pie?

Do you, for example, want to see a wombat considered a pie?

DO YOU?!


Ah, that all depends on where in the Ozarks you are from.

See? Being able to loosely define 'pie' enables one to encompass more voters because they're reasonably sure that you're for their best interests.

Say you stringently define 'pie' as a "Fruit filled pastry of circular dimensions" Then, I'd have to worry that the wombat crowd would take their votes elsewhere.

I'm in an odd mood today.





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Posted By: Brian Fellows
Date Posted: 18 September 2008 at 12:29pm
That said, I do enjoy myself a wombat pie.


Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 18 September 2008 at 12:30pm
Originally posted by Brian Fellows Brian Fellows wrote:

That said, I do enjoy myself a wombat pie.


As long as its not canned wombat, I'm with you.


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Posted By: Brian Fellows
Date Posted: 18 September 2008 at 12:32pm
Originally posted by Reb Cpl Reb Cpl wrote:

Originally posted by Brian Fellows Brian Fellows wrote:

That said, I do enjoy myself a wombat pie.


As long as its not canned wombat, I'm with you.

Fresh wombat only.

Originally posted by Reb Cpl Reb Cpl wrote:

I'm in an odd mood today.

I'm currently experiencing dementia from sleep deprivation.


Posted By: JohnnyHopper
Date Posted: 18 September 2008 at 1:08pm
What about log cabin quicher's?

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Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 18 September 2008 at 1:10pm
Originally posted by JohnnyHopper JohnnyHopper wrote:

What about log cabin quicher's?


Quiche is not pie.


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Posted By: Ron Pie
Date Posted: 18 September 2008 at 1:16pm

Originally posted by Skillet42565 Skillet42565 wrote:

Originally posted by JohnnyHopper JohnnyHopper wrote:

What about log cabin quicher's?


Quiche is not pie.

I think there is room for quiche. You big pie types are all alike.



Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 18 September 2008 at 2:44pm
Quiche is an affront to pie.  As secretary of state/defense for Pie, it will not be allowed.  Cheesecake will be honored like any other pie, as it suffered an indignity hundreds of years ago that is not it's fault.





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Posted By: AoSpades
Date Posted: 18 September 2008 at 3:15pm
Brian Fellows...in your sig, when did i say that?


Posted By: PaiNTbALLfReNzY
Date Posted: 18 September 2008 at 3:17pm
Originally posted by AoSpades AoSpades wrote:

Brian Fellows...in your sig, when did i say that?


When you said somoene was behind the times because they didn't know the Big Foot monster was a fake. You said "I was a rubber suit" vice "It was a rubber suit".


Posted By: AoSpades
Date Posted: 18 September 2008 at 3:50pm
o, hokay


Posted By: ammolord
Date Posted: 18 September 2008 at 8:59pm
how does usaf get to be sec def and sec state?

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Posted By: Brian Fellows
Date Posted: 19 September 2008 at 6:56am
For the record, are you pro- or anti-Skub?


Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 19 September 2008 at 8:21am
I'm pro-skub.

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