I think some of you folks are reading too much into the name of the ideology known as "feminism".

Feminism is not just "women uber alles."  The goal of feminists (as a group) is not, and never has been, to just get any old woman into office at any cost.

Yes, increasing the number of women in the higher echelons of business and politics is a goal of the feminist movement, but not at the expense of the rest of their platform.

You don't have to be a woman to be a feminist, and you can be a feminist and still support a male candidate over a female candidate.

Saying otherwise is just the same as declaring Republicans anti-democracy because they don't support Omaba, the Democratic candidate, and y'all sound just as silly for saying it.

oldsoldier wrote: Pariel wrote: She was governor of a state that has a smaller population than most cities. I don't expect much from her. And Biden represents in congress a state with a population smaller than most cities. (Delaware) Difference is Palin as executive expierience making individual decesions as Govorner, where Biden comes from the safer group decesion enviornment of Congress. So that arguement is pretty mute.

Well...  Not exactly.

While I agree that Palin's executive experience has been undersold, comparing Alaska to Delaware (in this context) is irrelevant.  The Alaskan Governor's job is mostly limited to Alaska.  The job of a US Senator from Delaware is to represent the entire US, and the job is pretty much global - as Biden demonstrates.

Too many are buying into the negative media representation of Palin, there is a very distinct bias between the media outlets.

Are you kidding me?!  Palin got such an incredible soft touch when she started out.  She was coddled and talked up, her speech at the convention got rave reviews - everybody loved her, and the press couldn't stop talking about what a genius move McCain had made.

Things went bad entirely on her own account (or of the campaign people).  She didn't do press interviews for a very long time, and that speaks very badly of a candidate, particularly a new one.  She should have been on the trail immediately, talking to press every day.

Of course, when she finally did talk to press, we found out why they were hiding her.  The Charlie Gibson interview was awful, and STILL the press cut her slack.  Some started making noise, but mostly the press was full of forgiveness, blaming her performance not on her inexperience in office, but her inexperience talking to press.

Then Katie Couric came along (the real winner in this debacle), and the curtain was drawn aside.  That interview may go down in history as the worst performance by any legitimate candidate, ever.  It surpasses, by far, Admiral Stockdale - and that is saying something.

She has gotten an incredible free ride, which finally is over.

And just for comparison's sake - since the convention, Sarah Palin has done 3 press interviews.  Gibson, Hannity, Couric.  And frankly, the Hannity interview shouldn't count.

During that same period of time, Joe Biden did more than 90 press interviews.

Reb Cpl wrote: I think we know that, but in order to make a good, effective joke, we need to generalize 'feminist' into the category of 'rabid man haters trying to inject estrogen into the veins of American society' If we don't, there's nothing funny about feminism.

And I am fully on board with that - feminists make for good jokes.

It's when I think people are serious that I get a little worried...

:)

If you will recall from a thread just a few days ago, OS, I very much supported Palin initially.  I respect her recent accomplishments, and had high hopes that she would bring something good to the party.

I continued to be a Palin apologist even after the Gibson interview, although the doubts were creeping in.

The Couric interview sealed it for me, though.

And still I would love nothing more than for her to do well tomorrow, to prove us all wrong, and live up to those early expectations.

oldsoldier wrote: And maybe we could go back in time 1929 and watch FDR address the nation on Television. Problem would be FDR was not President, and the 25 or so TV's in exsistance were experimental, and Katie wasn't born yet. But little or no media play on this Biden classic.

First off, the Biden bit got lots of media play.  Your continued allegations of media coverup are unfounded.

The Daily Show even did a bit on it.

Second, to compare this Biden brainfart to the drivel that has been coming out of Palin's mouth is just silly.  Not even in the same galaxy.

OS, it is you that needs to reexamine your partisanship.  Your lopsided and irrational support or unsupport of candidates based apparently entirely upon ideology and/or party affiliation is, well, irrational.