Controversial Fight at My School
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Topic: Controversial Fight at My School
Posted By: Styro Folme
Subject: Controversial Fight at My School
Date Posted: 17 October 2008 at 7:08pm
http://www.columbiatribune.com/2008/Oct/20081017News004.asp - Article
Thoughts?
I personally think Officer Brotemarkle is in the wrong. This really isn't the first time he's been investigated for questionable behavior. I can go into more detail about this, but lets just talk about the article right now.
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Posted By: Ford
Date Posted: 17 October 2008 at 7:20pm
You know, I felt sorry for her until the part where she says it was because she's black. Seriously, shut up. It wasn't because you're black you idiot. Wait, wait. Am I racist now for calling a black person an idiot ? I mean I didn't call any white people idiots in my post, must be because she was black.
Also, unsafe because he is aggressive ? So ok, get rid of the cop, and let the kids beat each other. Thats safe right ?
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Posted By: Enmity
Date Posted: 17 October 2008 at 7:23pm
Well judging by what I saw in the video, the girls who were thrown to
the ground, were thrown because they were fighting and couldn't be put
down any other way, and the girl in the black hoodie/jacket with silver
spots on it, was trying to run away when her arm was grabbed and she
was put down and into handcuffs, so I'm going to say he did his job.
As to the comment made by one of the girls saying 'I was thrown down
because I'm black, there were white girls standing there that weren't
thrown down', from what I saw, the people who were thrown down were
doing something hostile, the 'white girls' were just standing there,
not harming anything. As to the girl who was trying to help, I'm going
to assume that she was in it so they saw her at the fight grabbing at
people and assumed she just sucked at fighting so she was grabbed, but
I could be wrong.
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Posted By: Bruce Banner
Date Posted: 17 October 2008 at 7:29pm
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Yeah... based on the video the cop doesn't seem out of line to me, but if there is a history here that might be different.
Always difficult to judge these in a vacuum.
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 17 October 2008 at 7:29pm
Ford wrote:
You know, I felt sorry for her until the part where she says it was because she's black. Seriously, shut up. It wasn't because you're black you idiot. Wait, wait. Am I racist now for calling a black person an idiot ? I mean I didn't call any white people idiots in my post, must be because she was black.
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This is what I like to call White Insecurity Syndrome™.
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Posted By: Uncle Rudder
Date Posted: 17 October 2008 at 7:40pm
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LOL at the race card being pulled
He's a cop, hes above the law.
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 17 October 2008 at 7:44pm
Uncle Rudder wrote:
He's a cop, hes above the law. |
Ehhh.
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Posted By: Uncle Rudder
Date Posted: 17 October 2008 at 8:01pm
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agentwhale007 wrote:
Uncle Rudder wrote:
He's a cop, hes above the law. |
Ehhh. |
Sarcasm
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Posted By: Destruction
Date Posted: 17 October 2008 at 8:05pm
lol Diamond Thrower
Sounds like a wrestling name.
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Posted By: ctchofday
Date Posted: 17 October 2008 at 8:46pm
Destruction wrote:
lol Diamond Thrower
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yeah thats actually what i thought, or some kinda crazy villian name or something...
and Ford, dude.... just chill man, you seem to like making things worse for yourself
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Posted By: pb125
Date Posted: 17 October 2008 at 8:51pm
Ford wrote:
You know, I felt sorry for her until the part where she says it was because she's black. Seriously, shut up. It wasn't because you're black you idiot.
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Yes because never before in the history of law enforcement has a cop treated a person unfairly just because they are black.
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Posted By: Glassjaw
Date Posted: 17 October 2008 at 9:32pm
There have been quite a few fights at my school lately.
Spices things up a bit.
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Posted By: pb125
Date Posted: 17 October 2008 at 9:36pm
There was a full out BRAWL at the end of last year. Im talking 6 or 7 fights happening at once in the same area. School got locked down cops came .
Now we have on-campus cops :(
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Posted By: Ford
Date Posted: 17 October 2008 at 10:08pm
Just watched the video.
I could see why the cop did that, first I had only read the article. When he came over the girl in yellow had her arms locked with some other girl who you can see hit her. So the cop figures the two of them were fighting so he just tore them about. No big deal.
Also, person filming = stereotypical in ways.
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Posted By: Destruction
Date Posted: 17 October 2008 at 10:14pm
It's getting too racist in here.
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Posted By: merc
Date Posted: 17 October 2008 at 10:19pm
yea... chick was in the fight regardless of intentions the "right" thing to do is stay out of it. she got slammed for being stupid. shes also far to fat to have a future in basketball.
the more i hear "its cuz im black" the more racist i become...
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Posted By: impulse!
Date Posted: 17 October 2008 at 10:35pm
A black chick got thrown to the ground. I don't see the problem here.
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Posted By: Tical3.0
Date Posted: 17 October 2008 at 11:25pm
That was a tubby tossin good vid
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Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 17 October 2008 at 11:28pm
I'd kill my parents for calling me Diamond Thrower.
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Posted By: Tical3.0
Date Posted: 17 October 2008 at 11:34pm
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There were other white kids there, and they didn’t get slammed |
There they go, always trying to bring down the white kids.
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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 18 October 2008 at 1:21am
In all reality, the cop saw multiple students fighting and had to break it up as fast as he could.
You don't take the time to find out who's fighting and who's "trying to stop the fight", because even if you're trying to stop a fight, it's still construed as physical assault, and hence, illegal.
I honestly don't see how he's in the wrong.
We need less of these "blame cop first" types, and more people to actually do ride-alongs and see the stuff they have to put up with before any more judgment is passed on 'police abuse'.
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Posted By: Styro Folme
Date Posted: 18 October 2008 at 2:59am
These students are still kids. From my understanding, they're not even 16 yet. The girl that was in the black hoodie couldn't have weighed more than 115lbs. She was restrained, and the officer still insisted to toss her around. Now, officer #2, who actually restrained the woman in the yellow shirt, did not need to use close to the amount of force to handcuff and restrain her. I would also like you to take note that the third girl (in the grey) was handcuffed by an administrator. Again, minimal force.
Now, Diamond (yellow-shirt) was not in the wrong by trying to prevent violence among her (I assume) friends. If I saw that two of my friends where about to fight, I would do my best to break it up as well. I'm not saying she shouldn't have been included in the situation, but that maybe tossing a 15 year old girl across a tile floor was a little much. There are about 4 officers total at our school, which could have easily assisted. However, I'm not supporting her cause, and I absolutely hate that she pulled the race card. She's an idiot, and I doubt the investigation will not be taken seriously now.
A brief history of the Officer: Officer Brotemarkle has been our school officer for a while. He has a completely elitist attitude toward administrators and students alike. When I somehow do need his assistance, he will just tell me to talk to a school administrator, even though the school has nothing to do with my claims.
Story #1. In my junior year, he wrote me a ticket for not having my parking tag hanging on my rearview mirror. I had the tag lying face-up on my dashboard, completely visible from the outside. In fact, he placed the ticket underneath my windshield wiper, immediately next to my parking tag. There is no way he didn't see it. I walk back to school (it was one of those days where it just downpoured all day, so this was an overall 9 minute journey in the pouring rain, which didn't help my mood). The ticket itself was so soaked, I couldn't read it. I walk into the office, and I see him. General knowlege told me that he wrote the ticket. When I (politely) confronted him about it, he told me to talk to an administrator. This was not a "school ticket" or some stupid crap like that. This was an official ticket. He personally wrote it. Talking to an administrator would not make me not have to pay a stupid ticket. After about 15 minutes of asking around and waiting for the secretarys to get off of phones, I find out that the administrator he told me to talk to had left 5 minutes before school let out. Long story short, I got out of it.
Story #2. One of my best friend's moms works for the administration office by taking attendence (mad connections). During her earlier days of substituting for the office administrators, Officer Brotemarkle asked her (and I quote) "are you afraid of me?". She reluctantly answered "No". To which he responded "You should be." Keep in mind, this is a soccer mom, who happens to be one of the nicest ladys I know. I don't understand his motive.
Story #3. I have a friend (call him Gary) that has a bit of a drug problem. He recently got arrested for possession of marijuana on campus (which is completely stupid, and I am not defending him). Of course, Officer Brotemarkel keeps an eye on him, and therefore found out that me and him are friends. Officer Brotemarkle always manages to give me a good stare-down when he sees me on campus. At first, I thought it was just in my head. Until I found out he singled out Gary's best friend waiting in his car in the parking lot, waiting for his 4th hour to start. Gary's friend has never done a drug in his life. He is a bit of a health nut and knows he just doesn't need drugs in his life. Brotemarkle gives him 2 field sobriety tests, full on frisks him, and searches his car for drugs and weapons, not to mention throwing trash out of his car onto the parking lot. Of course he finds nothing, and he has to clean up the trash off the parking lot to avoid a littering ticket.
It's things like these that go on around the entire school, which is why Brotemarkle is so unpopular. It's the (not so) rare occasion he goes too far that gets him in trouble and under investigations (I believe this is the 2nd time since September he has been under investigation). The first time had something to do with indoor smoking at a nearby Dairy Queen during lunch. I really have no idea how that played out. That story didn't make the papers.
TL;DR- Just read my freaking post.
*I would also like to add that I am not a "cop hater". Most of my experiences with the Police around here have been pretty straight forward and sweat-free, especially with the Local Sheriffs.
** Sorry for lack of format or if somethings don't make sense. I typed this up at 2:00 a.m. and I'm hella tired. I tried my best.
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Posted By: Monk
Date Posted: 18 October 2008 at 3:23am
Looks like he broke up that fight pretty quick. Besides that, isnt most of hickmann of the black race anyway?
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Posted By: Heres To You
Date Posted: 18 October 2008 at 8:26am
I'm not defending either side, but the race card is plain idiocy...
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Posted By: JohnnyCanuck
Date Posted: 18 October 2008 at 10:22am
this guy needs to find a new career or some further (re?)training, I don't see him working at that school after this, or maybe any school.
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Posted By: JohnnyHopper
Date Posted: 18 October 2008 at 10:41am
I envy the french schools. When students acted like animals they got treated like animals. A teacher was allowed to slam you into the wall for talking back. Class was quiet and well behaved. Probably changed now, but it was quite an experience.
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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 18 October 2008 at 10:41am
Styro, again:
If you are a cop, and you turn the corner and see 5 people in a fray, are you going to take the time and go "Excuse me, who is fighting and who is trying to stop the fight?"
I sure as hell hope not. I'd hope that you would step right in and break it up as fast as you could, hopefully preventing any further injury.
But that's just me and my "pro-cop" ways I guess.
I've watched that video multiple times, and I see a girl latched on to a another girl get pulled off. I've yet to see any conclusive evidence showing that she was trying to stop the fight other then her, and your, words.
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Posted By: Ford
Date Posted: 18 October 2008 at 10:44am
Linus wrote:
Styro, again:
If you are a cop, and you turn the corner and see 5 people in a fray, are you going to take the time and go "Excuse me, who is fighting and who is trying to stop the fight?"
I sure as hell hope not. I'd hope that you would step right in and break it up as fast as you could, hopefully preventing any further injury.
But that's just me and my "pro-cop" ways I guess.
I've watched that video multiple times, and I see a girl latched on to a another girl get pulled off. I've yet to see any conclusive evidence showing that she was trying to stop the fight other then her, and your, words. |
Ditto, I'm sure he heard some ruckus so he came over and say all these people holding onto each other and figured they were all fighting and just tried to separate them because as fast as possible so nobody else would jump in or get hurt. I don't get why there's an article about it.
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Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 18 October 2008 at 10:47am
This may be the first time I've ever agreed with Linus. The cop was just doing his job.
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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 18 October 2008 at 10:52am
Skillet42565 wrote:
This may be the first time I've ever agreed with Linus. The cop was just doing his job.
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Scary, huh?
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Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 18 October 2008 at 10:59am
Linus how is that not even a bit excessive?
Sure, he's in the right for breaking it up and cuffing everyone. The fact that he tossed her is horrendous
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Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 18 October 2008 at 11:01am
Tossing may have been a tad extreme, I'll agree to that. Should have just tased the hell out of everyone, witnesses included, then began systematically beating them with his nightstick. That'd learn 'em.
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Posted By: JohnnyHopper
Date Posted: 18 October 2008 at 11:06am
Skillet42565 wrote:
Tossing may have been a tad extreme, I'll agree to that. Should have just tased the hell out of everyone, witnesses included, then began systematically beating them with his nightstick. That'd learn 'em.
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You should run for office or something, I like the cut of your jib.
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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 18 October 2008 at 11:06am
jmac, he used the least amount of force necessary to do the arrest.
He could have peppersprayed if he wished. Less physical "harm" I guess, but many more affected people. But he didn't.
Could have used a baton if he wished. He didn't.
Hands on is the lowest force he had at his disposal to still get the job done quickly, and that's what he used.
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Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 18 October 2008 at 11:10am
Linus do you fail to recognize this is a school?
Fights in most schools are broken up by teachers.
These were kids.
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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 18 October 2008 at 11:16am
jmac
Do you fail to recognize that it is illegal for a cop not to get involved?
My point about the pepperspray and baton were that he used the least amount of force at his disposal, not the most.
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Posted By: Ford
Date Posted: 18 October 2008 at 11:28am
Oh my god he tossed her ! Who cares, they shouldn't have been fighting, I doubt she's going to die because she slide across the tile floor. It's not like he tossed her on the ground and punched her in the face to restrain her.
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Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 18 October 2008 at 11:40am
I didn't sya the cop shouldn'tget invloved. He should be tossing kids around for a little fight.
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Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 18 October 2008 at 12:55pm
jmac3 wrote:
I didn't sya the cop shouldn'tget invloved. He should be tossing kids around for a little fight.
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Your subconscious agrees with the cop.
But honestly, the quickest way to stop two people fighting is to move them apart rapidly. Another thing is it is easier to get handcuffs on someone who is off balance.
I don't care if there are children, they were fighting for crying out loud. It isn't like they were having tea and cookies. If if did this to a five year old, ok. Valid complaint. If if did it to a teenager, suck it up. Seriously. Teenagers keep complaining how they are treated like kids, but toss one across a room and you'll never hear the end of child abuse.
It also isn't a cop's job to find out who was right and who was wrong. It is their job to restore peace and order. Basicaly restrain everyone involved, take them all to the station and let the higher pay grades sort it out. If need be let the courts decide.
Don't want to get beat down? Don't cause violence in a public place with cops around. Obey the law. Simple.
It isn't because you are black, it is because you are part of a disturbance.
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Posted By: XtremeBordom
Date Posted: 18 October 2008 at 12:56pm
jmac3 wrote:
He should be tossing kids around for a little fight.
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I agree with Ford's comment. Its so hard to talk about black people without being called a racist, yet black people can call white people out all they want.
I live in the south. Most of the population here is black and I go to high-school. Trust me you haven't seen a fight until you see a black fight. DON'T CALL ME RACIST. Its just the way it is! Why is it so hard for you to understand that thats the way SOME of them act. Its not racist its a fact.
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Posted By: Gator Taco
Date Posted: 18 October 2008 at 1:06pm
There was a fight at my school recently between two African American's. One got her weave pulled out, lulz ensued.
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Posted By: Styro Folme
Date Posted: 18 October 2008 at 2:58pm
Gator Taco wrote:
There was a fight at my school recently between two African American's. One got her weave pulled out, lulz ensued.
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Anyway,
The cop separated them as quickly as possible, yes. I never said he didn't do that. But he certainly needs to tone it down a bit, no? You don't see anyone else throwing people around in the video. Not even the other police officer. If he doesn't know how to restrain 15 year old kids without having to show that much aggression, he probably needs to go through some more training.
Also, Linus- A tazing would have been entertaining, at least.
Monk- I think my school is around 25% black. It might be a little closer to 30% this year.
Our school is pretty segregated, and I hate it. There are a lot of kids (white and black) that don't put up racial barriers, but a lot of them do, and that creates problems. I've learned that racism just leads to more racism. Every single problem is stripped down to where whether someone is black or white. Sometimes they're right, sometimes they're wrong. In this instance, wrong.
For the record, there's about a fight every week or two at my school. Last week, there was actually two. Maybe even three. I'm not sure.
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Posted By: Ford
Date Posted: 18 October 2008 at 3:47pm
Sounds like a great school.
/sarcasm.
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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 18 October 2008 at 4:16pm
Wow, Xtremeboredom...wow.
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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 18 October 2008 at 4:19pm
Styro Folme wrote:
But he certainly needs to tone it down a bit, no? | Disagree. I think he should have done what was necessary to end the fight as quickly as possible, which he did.
You don't see anyone else throwing people around in the video. Not even the other police officer. |
1) You will never see a teacher grab on to students and toss them, period.
2) By the time the second cop got in there, the people were already broken apart, so there was no need to do anything other then handcuff the closest person.
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Posted By: Styro Folme
Date Posted: 18 October 2008 at 4:22pm
Linus wrote:
Styro Folme wrote:
But he certainly needs to tone it down a bit, no? | Disagree. I think he should have done what was necessary to end the fight as quickly as possible, which he did.
You don't see anyone else throwing people around in the video. Not even the other police officer. |
2) By the time the second cop got in there, the people were already broken apart, so there was no need to do anything other then handcuff the closest person.
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Yet he still insisted on throwing around the other student?
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 18 October 2008 at 4:22pm
XtremeBordom wrote:
DON'T CALL ME RACIST. |
So don't say racist things, like:
thats the way SOME of them act. Its not racist its a fact. |
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 18 October 2008 at 4:23pm
Styro Folme wrote:
Linus wrote:
Styro Folme wrote:
But he certainly needs to tone it down a bit, no? | Disagree. I think he should have done what was necessary to end the fight as quickly as possible, which he did.
You don't see anyone else throwing people around in the video. Not even the other police officer. |
2) By the time the second cop got in there, the people were already broken apart, so there was no need to do anything other then handcuff the closest person.
| Yet he still insisted on throwing around the other student? |
Dude don't question Linus.
He has been on police ride-alongs. That is practically the same as a degree in criminal justice.
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 18 October 2008 at 4:27pm
Gator Taco wrote:
between two African American's.
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Between their what?
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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 18 October 2008 at 4:29pm
Styro Folme wrote:
Linus wrote:
Styro Folme wrote:
But he certainly needs to tone it down a bit, no? | Disagree. I think he should have done what was necessary to end the fight as quickly as possible, which he did.
You don't see anyone else throwing people around in the video. Not even the other police officer. |
2) By the time the second cop got in there, the people were already broken apart, so there was no need to do anything other then handcuff the closest person.
| Yet he still insisted on throwing around the other student? |
Watch the video again
Sequence goes:
Girls fight
Cop arrives and throws girl off.
Cop goes to next 2 girls still clinging to eachother, and throws another one off.
2nd cop arrvies and detains first girl.
I don't get what you're getting to?
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Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 18 October 2008 at 4:31pm
XtremeBordom wrote:
I agree with Ford's comment. Its so hard to talk about black people without being called a racist, yet black people can call white people out all they want.
I live in the south. Most of the population here is black and I go to high-school. Trust me you haven't seen a fight until you see a black fight. DON'T CALL ME RACIST. Its just the way it is! Why is it so hard for you to understand that thats the way SOME of them act. Its not racist its a fact.
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Good god you're racist.
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Posted By: Ford
Date Posted: 18 October 2008 at 4:47pm
It's funny, I don't think half this forum really knows racism. Black people act different at times. It happens. Get over it.
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 18 October 2008 at 4:53pm
Ford wrote:
It's funny, I don't think half this forum really knows racism.
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I dare say certain people on this forum, most likely because of the atmosphere in which they were raised, don't think that their mindset actually is one of inherent racism, when it truly is.
If you look at some of those things posted here. Think about them being said aloud in a public setting.
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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 18 October 2008 at 4:58pm
The irony in this thread is killing me.
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Posted By: Ford
Date Posted: 18 October 2008 at 5:04pm
Whale, I see what you're getting at. But I'd say yea, don't say half the stuff said in here in public/around blacks. But it's more common courtesy IMO.
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 18 October 2008 at 5:08pm
Ford wrote:
But I'd say yea, don't say half the stuff said in here in public/around blacks. But it's more common courtesy IMO.
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But why is it "common courtesy?"
By that explanation, are you stating that your mindset is generally uncourteous?
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Posted By: Ford
Date Posted: 18 October 2008 at 7:06pm
Whale, I was going to paste the definition of racism on here but it messed up so screw it. It basically says saying that your race is better than another for some reason or showing hatred towards one race.
I did neither. I was just saying some race of people act different than others.
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 18 October 2008 at 8:43pm
Ford wrote:
Whale, I was going to paste the definition of racism on here but it messed up so screw it. It basically says saying that your race is better than another for some reason or showing hatred towards one race.I did neither. I was just saying some race of people act different than others.
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First, the world doesn't operate under textbook definitions. If it did, there would be such a thing as paintball snipers.
Second, your thought process is still a flawed one.
You assume the "acting different" has to do with race. That is simply incorrect. The types of things you are pointing out as being "different" have to do with a ton of things, but nothing of race. It has to do with culture and sociological upbringing.
By your logic, black people everywhere act exactly the same, and no person of any other race acts that way, because the reason for the actions is race.
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Posted By: Styro Folme
Date Posted: 18 October 2008 at 9:28pm
Sometimes, I think this forum takes racism a little too seriously. There will always be stereotypes for all races. I don't care that many black people think I can't dance. I'm sure they don't care that I think they can jump higher than me (HYPOTHETICALLY, although I do have a terrible vertical). I believe in embracing differences, not hiding them. It sure made Chris Rock and Cat Williams a lot of money. If people took themselves less seriously, racism wouldn't hardly be a problem.
As for the culture thing, Whale is correct.
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Posted By: Tical3.0
Date Posted: 18 October 2008 at 11:03pm
at this hole thread.
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Posted By: ammolord
Date Posted: 18 October 2008 at 11:36pm
Tical3.0 wrote:
at this hole thread. | in durring 
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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 19 October 2008 at 12:04am
ammolord wrote:
Tical3.0 wrote:
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at "hole" and "durring".
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Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 19 October 2008 at 1:19am
Styro Folme wrote:
| If he doesn't know how to restrain 15 year old kids without having to show that much aggression, he probably needs to go through some more training. [/QUOTE]
Just out of curiosity, how much training in crowd control and breaking up fights have you had? Or in cuffing people?
Seriously, the cop stopped injuries happening without causing any injuries of his own. Bruised pride does not count. If they hadn't been fighting, or "trying to stop the fight" <- incidently about 90% of the people you bust for fighting claim this, they would not have been manhandled.
The cop didn't wail in with his batton. Infact he hardly used any force at all. Get over it.
As for blacks and whites behaving differently, this isn't racism. Using this difference as a basis for claiming superiority is.
KBK
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Posted By: Styro Folme
Date Posted: 19 October 2008 at 4:39am
Kayback wrote:
Styro Folme wrote:
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Just out of curiosity, how much training in crowd control and breaking up fights have you had? Or in cuffing people?
Seriously, the cop stopped injuries happening without causing any injuries of his own. Bruised pride does not count. If they hadn't been fighting, or "trying to stop the fight" <- incidently about 90% of the people you bust for fighting claim this, they would not have been manhandled.
The cop didn't wail in with his batton. Infact he hardly used any force at all. Get over it.
As for blacks and whites behaving differently, this isn't racism. Using this difference as a basis for claiming superiority is.
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I'm a crowd control specialist. I can stop a full-fledged riot just by clapping my hands and saying "Stop it!"
It's not about the injuries he caused, it's about the injuries he could have caused. He's a dangerous man. I know this to be a fact, even if the video isn't convincing evidence. I can see where everyone is coming from, and I admit I have a standing grudge with him, altering my perception. I still stand by my statements. If you ever had to deal with this man, you would understand how badly I want him out of our school.
He's been on probation since the incident, and our officers have been handling the school fairly well. I find it unfortunate that our school's campus officers are so necessary in keeping peace at my school. My sophomore year, we didn't have nearly as many as these problems.
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Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 19 October 2008 at 7:24am
Styro Folme wrote:
It's not about the injuries he caused, it's about the injuries he could have caused. |
Oh my gosh. He could also cause severe injuries while driving. Take his license away from him.
He's a dangerous man. |
This may be so. I'm not arguing that. I'm arguing this video isn't a cop going spazz.
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Posted By: AoSpades
Date Posted: 19 October 2008 at 11:02am
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Police are trained to use force, He threw people to the ground and tackled the other to breakup the fight as fast as possible. I seriously doubt that tapping the girl on the shoulder and saying, "ummm can you please stop fighting" is going to do ANY good. He did what he was trained to do, granted he apparently is an asshat every day, this is what almost every police oficer would have done. You need to single out the possible instigators and get them subdued as quickly as possible.
Styro, imagine what would have happened if he didn't toss that girl to the ground? The fight would not have been just a few people, generally fights grow. Regardless of his attitude prior to this, he did his job, and you are upset by that...why?
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Posted By: sporx
Date Posted: 19 October 2008 at 10:52pm
Monk wrote:
Looks like he broke up that fight pretty quick. Besides that, isnt most of hickmann of the black race anyway?I hate Columbia, and their drivers....
| ya that's hickman for ya. i'm sure that he actually didn't use as much force but it looks like it cuz they didn't weigh as much. they were light and slinged around. he did what he had to do. i wish i was there to see it though!
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Posted By: JohnnyHopper
Date Posted: 19 October 2008 at 11:25pm
Linus wrote:
ammolord wrote:
Tical3.0 wrote:
at this hole thread. | in durring  |
at "hole" and "durring". |
Linguist
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Posted By: Predatorr
Date Posted: 19 October 2008 at 11:32pm
...He used just a little too much force with the girl. He was acting like he was throwing a 160 pound guy to the ground, when in reality, he had a 120 pound girl. You do realize, it takes just ten pounds of pressure to break an elbow? I'm sure that girl was feeling it the next day.
He did what he had to do, but there's no doubt that it was done with just a little bit much force.
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 19 October 2008 at 11:33pm
Linguine.
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Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 19 October 2008 at 11:55pm
the thing is, did he though? There were no broken bones, smashed elbows, crushed skulls of snapped necks.
He sorted a violent situation out quickly without incurring any injuries himself or inflicting any major injuries on the person he was apprehending. Sounds like a good job well done to me.
A 120lbs skank can shiv you just as easily as a 180lbs guy can. Infact on a bigger guy he'd probably have used more force, either grappling or drawing a weapon.
Important things from this :
cop got to go home to his family in good health.
All the participants in the fracas got to go home, or jail, in one piece.
The violent confrontation was stopped before something serious happened.
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Posted By: Gator Taco
Date Posted: 20 October 2008 at 12:32am
I forgot to mention, whenever there is a fight at my school involving females, shoes are ALWAYS used as a weapon to bludgeon the other person.
I am not sure why this phenomenon occurs, when I started a thread on it it was locked before I could get a response.
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Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 20 October 2008 at 8:45am
Gator Taco wrote:
I forgot to mention, whenever there is a fight at my school involving females, shoes are ALWAYS used as a weapon to bludgeon the other person.
I am not sure why this phenomenon occurs, when I started a thread on it it was locked before I could get a response.
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I'm sure the lock had nothing to do with you limiting it to black and mexican females.
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Posted By: scotchyscotch
Date Posted: 20 October 2008 at 9:28am
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Retrospect is 20-20,
Its not a big deal at all I seriously doubt that either of them had a lasting injury, If you dont want to get thrown about don't get in fights. How this is even news I have no idea.
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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 20 October 2008 at 10:47am
scotchyscotch wrote:
How this is even news I have no idea. |
Because we have certain people on here who hate cops and what they do and what they stand for no matter what. Not much logic behind it, just pure "you're a pig"ness.
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Posted By: impulse!
Date Posted: 20 October 2008 at 2:53pm
Styro Folme: Do you work for NAACP, or ACLU?
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Posted By: adrenalinejunky
Date Posted: 20 October 2008 at 3:24pm
Linus wrote:
scotchyscotch wrote:
How this is even news I have no idea. |
Because we have certain people on here who hate cops and what they do and what they stand for no matter what. Not much logic behind it, just pure "you're a pig"ness. |
i run into those people alot...
granted, SOME cops are jerks, but those people tend to have bad alot of experiences because of thier level of disrespect, not because of the cops themselves...
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Posted By: Ford
Date Posted: 20 October 2008 at 5:03pm
Gatyr wrote:
Gator Taco wrote:
I forgot to mention, whenever there is a fight at my school involving females, shoes are ALWAYS used as a weapon to bludgeon the other person.
I am not sure why this phenomenon occurs, when I started a thread on it it was locked before I could get a response.
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I'm sure the lock had nothing to do with you limiting it to black and mexican females.
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Yea ! Don't forget it either, because around here all races act identical !!!
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Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 20 October 2008 at 5:27pm
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Ford wrote:
because around here all races act identical !!!
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I give up. You and that person that shames my name by having one that is pronounced exactly the same are just so much better at being stupid than I am that I have to concede.
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Posted By: Gator Taco
Date Posted: 20 October 2008 at 6:46pm
Gatyr wrote:
Gator Taco wrote:
I forgot to mention, whenever there is a fight at my school involving females, shoes are ALWAYS used as a weapon to bludgeon the other person.
I am not sure why this phenomenon occurs, when I started a thread on it it was locked before I could get a response.
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I'm sure the lock had nothing to do with you limiting it to black and mexican females.
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I didn't really mean it as racist, but that was just an observation. Its almost always only black and Mexican girls. All the white girls do is call each other variants of female dog and slut, no actual physical violence.
Edit: Upon further thought, I can see why said thread was locked. It could easily come off as racism and/or mindless trolling.
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Posted By: Thor
Date Posted: 20 October 2008 at 7:10pm
First of all, that throw was totally awesome. That chick went FLYING. Hilarious.
Secondly, she doesn't look like 120 lbs. It's hard to judge a fat persons weight, so you go to the max. You guys would learn that if you ever did any self defense/martial art.
Thirdly, why is this such a big deal? When I was a kid, I was smacked with phone books and tossed over cruiser car hoods. I wasn't nearly treated with that level of concern and calm the cop gave those broads.
The world sucks now. Can't even break up a fight anymore!
I always thought it would be funny to take all the whiny kids of today and take them back in time about 10-15 years. Hilarity ensues!
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Posted By: Robot
Date Posted: 20 October 2008 at 8:19pm
Sorry to interrupt everyone's racial insecurities/racism but has anyone seen the TNT dubbed version of American History X? That shiz is hilarious. I suggest ya'll catch it next time it's on. <chunk deuce>, Chickun
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Posted By: Brian Fellows
Date Posted: 20 October 2008 at 9:36pm
Robot wrote:
Sorry to interrupt everyone's racial insecurities/racism but has anyone seen the TNT dubbed version of American History X? That shiz is hilarious. I suggest ya'll catch it next time it's on. <chunk deuce>, Chickun
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Posted By: Zata
Date Posted: 20 October 2008 at 11:10pm
Man, I wish I would have been on when this thread first started cause there are way too many replies for me to read them all.
But this was funny, and also sums up how I feel.
merc wrote:
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Posted By: Rambino
Date Posted: 20 October 2008 at 11:49pm
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Zata wrote:
merc wrote:
the more i hear "its cuz im black" the more racist i become... |
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That's rather sad. And counterproductive. And ironic.
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Posted By: Zata
Date Posted: 21 October 2008 at 9:57am
Rambino wrote:
Zata wrote:
merc wrote:
the more i hear "its cuz im black" the more racist i become... |
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That's rather sad. And counterproductive. And ironic. |
Agreed. I went to a school that was almost completely white. There were maybe 3 or 4 black students in the whole system. Now the next town over (and rival school) is probably 40% black. There were a lot of incidents between schools and I've heard more than enough of 'because we're black' stuff. It just gets old.
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Posted By: adrenalinejunky
Date Posted: 21 October 2008 at 10:00am
something tells me you didnt interpret that the way it was meant.
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Posted By: Zata
Date Posted: 21 October 2008 at 10:08am
adrenalinejunky wrote:
something tells me you didnt interpret that the way it was meant. |
Ehhh probably not.
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Posted By: Bruce Banner
Date Posted: 21 October 2008 at 10:29am
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adrenalinejunky wrote:
something tells me you didnt interpret that the way it was meant. |
lol
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