holy crap....
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Topic: holy crap....
Posted By: adrenalinejunky
Subject: holy crap....
Date Posted: 27 October 2008 at 7:52pm
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwjlUMoLVvA - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwjlUMoLVvA
umm.... yeah... i dont even know what to say about that... |
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Posted By: heliumman77
Date Posted: 27 October 2008 at 7:55pm
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Wow that is just wow.
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Posted By: gh0st
Date Posted: 27 October 2008 at 7:59pm
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"That's... make and break for you?" "It should be make and break for everybody." -------------  |
Posted By: adrenalinejunky
Date Posted: 27 October 2008 at 8:00pm
| i dont think thats half as bad as "his mom was an athiest" |
Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 27 October 2008 at 8:03pm
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While she isn't voting for the right reasons, everyone trying to bash her in the comments sounds just as dumb.
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Posted By: Styro Folme
Date Posted: 27 October 2008 at 8:07pm
His dad was an Atheist, not a Muslim... Also, if a Muslim could get along with an Atheist, doesn't that pretty much prove he's not hostile? Ignorant voter is ignorant. ------------- X |
adrenalinejunky wrote:Posted By: bishopisback
Date Posted: 27 October 2008 at 9:22pm
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Just imagine how many other people just like her there are in this country. ------------- 
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Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 27 October 2008 at 10:43pm
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I totally agree with her. I'd much rather have someone with the same value set in government than the person promising a panacea (if there were to be such a candidate). That's why I support Obama-yo-mama. And I support him for the exact same reason she supports McCain: I think that God has said I should vote for him. How's dat for a curve ball? ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: adrenalinejunky
Date Posted: 28 October 2008 at 5:02am
seriously? (no sarcasm, honest question) |
Posted By: AoSpades
Date Posted: 28 October 2008 at 9:57am
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God likes making things complicated, not people. -------------  |
Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 28 October 2008 at 10:31am
Seriously. <---Not sure if AOS is joking. But I would agree with his statement. ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: AoSpades
Date Posted: 28 October 2008 at 10:37am
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If God wanted McCian as president, he wouldn't have told an individual person...If God wanted McCain for president there wouldn't be headlines of him falling behind, nor tied. If God wanted McCain for president, it would be a landside.
But, God is still clearly undecided. ------------- |
Posted By: TheDude
Date Posted: 28 October 2008 at 5:12pm
Not really. I think it's pretty clear God wants Obama to win. ------------- "According to Sue Johanson, theres nothing that can increase your manhood, trust me I've already looked into it for myself." -Zata <keep the sigs friendly, please> |
Posted By: Rambino
Date Posted: 28 October 2008 at 5:14pm
That's what He WANTS you to think. We won't know what God wants until November 5th. ------------- [IMG]http://i38.tinypic.com/aag8s8.jpg"> |
Posted By: sporx
Date Posted: 28 October 2008 at 5:31pm
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i hate people like her. close minded people that believe that the bible is the entire meaning of life. WAKE UP!!! IT'S NOT!!! that is sooo demeaning to say "oh his father was a muslim" hello! he was born in Africa with a muslim faith. Muslim is a type of religion, muslim does not mean "terrorists".
i'm stopping right there until i get into a huge rant. ------------- 
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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 28 October 2008 at 5:45pm
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I love all the conservatives that have this seething
hate of Obama. I don't want John McCain to be president, but I don't hate the man. -------------  irc.esper.net #paintball |
Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 28 October 2008 at 5:53pm
What about President Bush? ------------- Real Men play Tuba [IMG]http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/1859/newsmall6xz.jpg"> PH33R TEH 1337 Dwarf! http://www.tippmann.com/forum/wwf77a/log_off_user.asp" rel="nofollow - DONT CLICK ME!!1 |
Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 28 October 2008 at 5:53pm
You're just one of them muslim terrorists. ------------- 
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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 28 October 2008 at 6:01pm
Oh, snap. There it is again. I just can't help myself. ------------- irc.esper.net #paintball |
Posted By: blackdog144
Date Posted: 28 October 2008 at 7:06pm
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well i agree with her to an extent. i really dont like the idea of anyone in office that doesnt have a "christian" background of faith. It just doest stand right with me. I dont support obama because 100% of the stuff he supports, i am against. That and yes his faith background. BUT, religion isnt as important to me in an election or presidency as the presidents pollicies.
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Posted By: .636
Date Posted: 28 October 2008 at 7:09pm
Thought people born out side of the united states cannot be president? ------------- |
Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 28 October 2008 at 7:56pm
"Father" -------------
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Posted By: ANARCHY_SCOUT
Date Posted: 28 October 2008 at 8:05pm
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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 28 October 2008 at 8:10pm
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I want a good old-fashioned atheist as president,
personally. ------------- irc.esper.net #paintball |
Posted By: Bruce Banner
Date Posted: 28 October 2008 at 8:42pm
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I suspect we have had several of those already... ------------- Waste and excess are not conservative family values http://www.nytimes.com/ref/opinion/07opclassic.html - Nature is not a liberal plot http://pickensplan.com - A Good Energy Plan |
Posted By: .636
Date Posted: 28 October 2008 at 8:44pm
My reading comprehension sucks ------------- |
Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 28 October 2008 at 8:50pm
Well intended as wit, I'm sure, its a prime example of how idiots on both side of the party line make politics look a lot like the 4th grade playground. And how about a President who keeps their religion to themselves (atheists included) and makes policy decisions based on, I dunno, not religion? ------------- Real Men play Tuba [IMG]http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/1859/newsmall6xz.jpg"> PH33R TEH 1337 Dwarf! http://www.tippmann.com/forum/wwf77a/log_off_user.asp" rel="nofollow - DONT CLICK ME!!1 |
Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Date Posted: 28 October 2008 at 9:37pm
Lawl, you must not have liked the http://www.adherents.com/adh_presidents.html - last 42 or so presidents. |
Posted By: ANARCHY_SCOUT
Date Posted: 28 October 2008 at 11:55pm
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Posted By: Gator Taco
Date Posted: 29 October 2008 at 12:00am
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I lol'd at this on your link. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlW51Ynk-CU ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/trailgator01 - last.fm |
Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 29 October 2008 at 11:08am
what we have currently is the topic of another debate, I suppose. ------------- irc.esper.net #paintball |
Posted By: adrenalinejunky
Date Posted: 29 October 2008 at 11:21am
God is voting? he'd sure as hell better take the exit poll so we can get a clear word. |
Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 29 October 2008 at 11:48am
You understand that he is a Christian, right? |
Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 29 October 2008 at 11:53am
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^^ I wouldn't consider the hate that Jeremiah Wright spews forth, Christianity. Nor would I consider the racism that the lady in the video is exibiting as being very Christian either. Probably from Pennsylvania or one of those other gun toting, religion clinging redneck states. ------------- "When I grow up I want to marry a rich man and live in a condor next to the beach" -- My 7yr old daughter. |
Posted By: Bruce Banner
Date Posted: 29 October 2008 at 11:54am
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We've been through this before. Obama is not a Christian, because Rev. Wright's church is not a Christian church, because no Christian would ever say "God damn America". Duh. ------------- Waste and excess are not conservative family values http://www.nytimes.com/ref/opinion/07opclassic.html - Nature is not a liberal plot http://pickensplan.com - A Good Energy Plan |
Posted By: adrenalinejunky
Date Posted: 29 October 2008 at 11:55am
"christian" is an excessively over-broad term - many christians have very fundamental belief differences, simply fitting into a term that has come to mean such a large variety of things doesnt neccessarily mean he holds the ideals blackdog deems important. |
Posted By: Bruce Banner
Date Posted: 29 October 2008 at 11:58am
So... by this logic can we agree that Osama bin Laden and pals are not Muslims? ------------- Waste and excess are not conservative family values http://www.nytimes.com/ref/opinion/07opclassic.html - Nature is not a liberal plot http://pickensplan.com - A Good Energy Plan |
Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 29 October 2008 at 11:58am
Would you consider the hate that Pat Robertson spews forth to be Christian? Or Jerry Falwell before his passing? And the follow up question, are the people who attend their representative churches Christian? Also, I saw this picture on Fark a while back and it always struck me, especially with so many people claiming Obama is the anti-Christ. http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3001/2891789396_4ac6a4ba40.jpg?v=0 - Linking it because the lab computers hate pictures. |
Posted By: adrenalinejunky
Date Posted: 29 October 2008 at 12:07pm
i fully understand what he's getting at here, and it has to do with, as i said before, the broadening of the term christian. just because they are both labelled christian - does not me they have the same beliefs and values. Edit - and i suspect a peacefull muslim would probably say the same about bin laden. |
Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 29 October 2008 at 12:12pm
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I strongly disagree with the vast majority of the racism/sexism/homophobia that is disguised as "Christian Values". I feel most of these stray wildly from the original teachings of Christ. I further find that most secular denominations are a bastardization of what was truly meant to be. So, no, I do not consider hate in any form to be Christian, thus my general disenchantment with "organized religion". Recently, I received an email from one of my acquantances that accused Obama of being the anti-christ and gave general biblical references. I immediately verified that the info was completely false and "replied to all' stating the source of my proof. My father in law, who happens to be a preacher, was on this list and further admonished the individual who had forwarded this email without checking for biblical accuracy. Not all Christians are right wing nut jobs that think hurricanes are gods punishment on Florida for havinig so many gays. ------------- "When I grow up I want to marry a rich man and live in a condor next to the beach" -- My 7yr old daughter. |
Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 29 October 2008 at 12:16pm
All well and good, but you avoided the point. Does the personal opinions of someone's preacher determine if someone is really a Christian? |
Posted By: adrenalinejunky
Date Posted: 29 October 2008 at 12:18pm
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well i dont see much point in going to a church that teaches alot of stuff you completely disagree with.
thus it would seem a logical deduction, but its not iron-clad. |
Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 29 October 2008 at 12:23pm
I understand that point, but the key term there is "a lot." While I am not positive, I would be willing to bet that Rev. Wright didn't shout "God Damn America" every sermon for the last twenty years. The sort of sermon that was preached that caused all the hubbub was probably quite rare. I, not being a very religious person, am not the best to really answer this. How much disagreement is allowed with your pastor? Certainly you are not going to agree on everything said from the pulpit all the time, but you don't get up and leave just because you disagree on one thing. |
Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 29 October 2008 at 12:24pm
They do not represent the vast majority of the Muslim religion. They are radicals and should be shunned, much as they are. By the same token, radical far right Christians that beleive in black/white superiority should be shunned as well. ------------- "When I grow up I want to marry a rich man and live in a condor next to the beach" -- My 7yr old daughter. |
Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 29 October 2008 at 12:30pm
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------------- "When I grow up I want to marry a rich man and live in a condor next to the beach" -- My 7yr old daughter. |
Posted By: adrenalinejunky
Date Posted: 29 October 2008 at 12:32pm
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Posted By: Bruce Banner
Date Posted: 29 October 2008 at 12:39pm
Your point is well taken, but I hear things I don't agree with every week in church, and that has been the case for every church I have ever attended (which is many). I avoid churches where critical mass is reached, but there will always be serious disagreements. Specifically on this point, I saw/heard much of the "god damn America" sermon, and I frankly found it very non-offensive. It is basically a critique of American policies, in no small part because Wright's perception that those policies are counter to Christian principles. ------------- Waste and excess are not conservative family values http://www.nytimes.com/ref/opinion/07opclassic.html - Nature is not a liberal plot http://pickensplan.com - A Good Energy Plan |
Posted By: adrenalinejunky
Date Posted: 29 October 2008 at 12:42pm
sadly enough, the reason i stopped going to church is because after i stayed at one for more then a couple of months, i always ended up hating it.... so i can certainly see what your getting at. |