Global warming
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Topic: Global warming
Posted By: adrenalinejunky
Subject: Global warming
Date Posted: 31 October 2008 at 5:32pm
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"Boston (MA) - Scientists at MIT have recorded a nearly simultaneous world-wide increase in methane levels. This is the first increase in ten years, and what baffles science is that this data contradicts theories stating man is the primary source of increase for this greenhouse gas. It takes about one full year for gases generated in the highly industrial northern hemisphere to cycle through and reach the southern hemisphere. However, since all worldwide levels rose simultaneously throughout the same year, it is now believed this may be part of a natural cycle in mother nature - and not the direct result of man's contributions."
http://www.tgdaily.com/html_tmp/content-view-39973-113.html - http://www.tgdaily.com/html_tmp/content-view-39973-113.html |
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Posted By: Bruce Banner
Date Posted: 31 October 2008 at 5:34pm
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Interesting. Altohough I always suggest getting as close to the source as possible: http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2008/methane-tt1029.html - http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2008/methane-tt1029.html
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 31 October 2008 at 6:01pm
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Okay, I'll admit it. I'm the cause of global warming. It's been me and my chili, baked bean, pickled egg and beer diet the entire time. I'm sorry and I'll try to do better.
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Posted By: Uncle Rudder
Date Posted: 31 October 2008 at 6:11pm
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I should send that to my evolutionary biology prof. He manages to bring politics into biology every chance he gets, and global warming has obviously been one of his big ones. It gets a little out of hand sometimes "...These trees have a rough bark because of the harsh climate, but not as rough as McCain's face. That guy is a dinosaur, and an ugly one at that. But ya, these trees have special bark..." ------------- 
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Posted By: Bruce Banner
Date Posted: 31 October 2008 at 6:17pm
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If you do, please send him the MIT link - the original article adds a layer of political conclusion that does not appear to be in, or supported by, the actual study. I swear - why can't people let science be science, without twisting it to their personal needs? ------------- Waste and excess are not conservative family values http://www.nytimes.com/ref/opinion/07opclassic.html - Nature is not a liberal plot http://pickensplan.com - A Good Energy Plan |
Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 31 October 2008 at 6:22pm
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Does this mean Al Gore gets his Nobel prize taken away?
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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 31 October 2008 at 7:06pm
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I'll be interested to see more follow-up done on this. I'm still not convinced that mankind is the biggest culprit of climate change. The Earth was a hot, humid, and very carbon and methane filled place for the majority of it's inhabitable history, something natural changed all of that and it only makes sense to me that we will eventually go back to that state of climate no matter what we, the human race, do or do not. I'd be interested to see what the methane release levels from the Siberian tundra are. That place is essentially a gigantic swamp that froze at the beginning of the last ice age. Lots and lots of carbon and methane trapped in the permafrost, and there's a LOT of land area there. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: Evil Elvis
Date Posted: 31 October 2008 at 11:15pm
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HA! how you like them apples Hippies... Go back to woodstock now. ;) ------------- 
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Posted By: Snipa69
Date Posted: 31 October 2008 at 11:49pm
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I have always argued that position to my friends, after taking numerous world history classes. It seems that this is all just part of a giant cycle that the earth goes through. This alos means, that the earth will one day go through another ice age. ------------- http://imageshack.us - [IMG - http://img456.imageshack.us/img456/857/sig9ac6cs1mj.jpg - |
Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 31 October 2008 at 11:57pm
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I don't know about you guys, but I can't wait for another Ice Age. I love sloth's. ------------- Que pasa? 
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Posted By: Snipa69
Date Posted: 01 November 2008 at 12:04am
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I look forward to the all year round snowboarding. Although it does put a damper on my jet skiing/surfing... ------------- http://imageshack.us - [IMG - http://img456.imageshack.us/img456/857/sig9ac6cs1mj.jpg - |
Posted By: adrenalinejunky
Date Posted: 01 November 2008 at 9:13am
ahh, thank you, that is indeed a better article on the subject. on global warming i've always taken the opinion that we're jumping to conclusions we dont neccessarily have the data to support. for instance, charting green-house gasses and average temperature over a span of thousands of years makes a nice chart - but when your going back that far with the limited understanding of whats happened that we have, there are far to many variables to just come out and say "this is fact" and speaking of Gore - his chart from the "inconvinient truth" cracked me up hardcore. if the correlation between greenhouse gasses and temperature was as closely tied as he claimed, AND his chart on greenhouse gasses was correct, AND there werent other factors in the worlds climate to balance things out - we would all be pretty crispy by now. the other thing that always amused me is how Gore was such a great envirnmentalist - well, as long as he didnt actually have to change his lifestyle at all. with his home using 14 times the amount of energy that the average american home does. |
Bruce Banner wrote:Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Date Posted: 01 November 2008 at 11:46am
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Posted By: mbro
Date Posted: 01 November 2008 at 11:57am
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Crazy stuff. ------------- 
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Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 01 November 2008 at 12:03pm
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Without actually reading the article I'm going to jump to a baseless conclusion. This is all that frozen methane on the ocean floor being released when ocean temps rise. It's been suggested that we could someday mine that ice with trapped methane for fuel, but when they talk about a "tipping point", they mean that that crap will be released, the ice caps will melt and stop acting like a "mirror" and previously frozen plant and animal matter will begin to decompose, adding even more methane. For more Gore-bashing: Didn't his family own a lot of stock in Occidental Petroleum Co? That was the company that wanted to drill in the rain forests and a local tribe was threatening mass-suicide if it wasn't stopped. It was eventually stopped, because they couldn't find any oil. I think Occidental also owned the mineral rights to his family farm shown in his stupid movie. |
Posted By: mod98commando
Date Posted: 01 November 2008 at 1:01pm
I think Al Gore should just be taken away... ------------- oreomann33: Everybody invades Poland Rofl_Mao: And everyone eats turkey Me: But only if they're hungary Mack: Yeah but hungary people go russian through their food and end up with greece on everyth |
Posted By: STOcocker
Date Posted: 01 November 2008 at 2:02pm
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I've taken to the belief that I learned in Astronomy class. Basically, the carbon cycle has always kept our average temperature relatively the same (relative to other planets). This process basically involves greenhouse gases being outgassed by volcanoes and warming the average temp to a point where the ice caps begin melting. The melted ice caps then provide more surface area of water to absorb the greenhouse gases, which will eventually cool the Earth again. Basically, this cycle cannot keep up with our greenhouses gas emissions AND the outgassing. However, I think that eventually so much of the ice caps will be melted that the ocean will be able to absorb enough greenhouse gases to cool the Earth again. |
Posted By: adrenalinejunky
Date Posted: 02 November 2008 at 8:53am
appearently it was his fathers stock and sold at gores request after his death. |
Posted By: Zata
Date Posted: 02 November 2008 at 9:18am
| I heard that volcanoes are a large part of the global warming process. |
Posted By: adrenalinejunky
Date Posted: 02 November 2008 at 9:27am
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cows too - or rather they emmit large quantities of methane.
http://animals.howstuffworks.com/mammals/methane-cow.htm - http://animals.howstuffworks.com/mammals/methane-cow.htm |
Posted By: Bruce Banner
Date Posted: 02 November 2008 at 11:21am
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This is a hard-to-kill but completely false rumor. More specifically, volcanos are a significant part of the global climate, but the amount of greenhouse gas emitted by volcanos is only a tiny, tiny fraction of the amount emitted by human behavior. It is frankly embarrassing how often I hear this repeated by people who should know better. Now, the cows, on the other hand - every animal is a CO2 emitter. Cows no more than others, but there are a whole bunch of cows. More importantly, cow population is directly tied to human behavior. As much as it pains me to say this, eating beef (and other domesticated animals) contributes to global warming. That's a tough behavior to modify, though. Back on the original point - it appears that several people in this thread got sucked in by article linked in the first post. As is apparent if you read the MIT link, that article took a straight-forward scientific study and added its own political conclusions, apparently without any justification whatsoever. The study, as described in the MIT link, does not conclude what the article says it does. ------------- Waste and excess are not conservative family values http://www.nytimes.com/ref/opinion/07opclassic.html - Nature is not a liberal plot http://pickensplan.com - A Good Energy Plan |
Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 02 November 2008 at 11:25am
Tough crap.  ------------- ? |
Posted By: Bruce Banner
Date Posted: 02 November 2008 at 11:29am
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Seriously. There are some sacrifices that are easy, some that are hard. For me, giving up driving aggressively and eating steak = hard. Ugh. ------------- Waste and excess are not conservative family values http://www.nytimes.com/ref/opinion/07opclassic.html - Nature is not a liberal plot http://pickensplan.com - A Good Energy Plan |
Posted By: the_blade
Date Posted: 02 November 2008 at 2:15pm
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Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 02 November 2008 at 6:05pm
I don't know of a soul that could once they have tried it. ------------- 
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Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 02 November 2008 at 6:22pm
I think you're looking at this the wrong way. If we DON'T eat cows, who will thin out the herds of these biological polluters if we don't? Frankly I think its our civic duty. ------------- Real Men play Tuba [IMG]http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/1859/newsmall6xz.jpg"> PH33R TEH 1337 Dwarf! http://www.tippmann.com/forum/wwf77a/log_off_user.asp" rel="nofollow - DONT CLICK ME!!1 |
Posted By: MeanMan
Date Posted: 02 November 2008 at 6:22pm
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I think its funny, in one of my classes we had to think of problems and solutions. The one kid HATES winter. His problem: The snowy and icy, unsafe winters. Solution: Global Warming. ------------- 
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Posted By: Bruce Banner
Date Posted: 02 November 2008 at 6:27pm
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Excellent point. I am not the problem; it's those evil environment-hatin' ranchers who keep making MORE cows. I eat as fast as I can, but I just can't keep up with the evil cow-breeders. ------------- Waste and excess are not conservative family values http://www.nytimes.com/ref/opinion/07opclassic.html - Nature is not a liberal plot http://pickensplan.com - A Good Energy Plan |
Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 02 November 2008 at 6:28pm
I said something like that once..I didn't win any friends either. Problem: Melting polar ice caps leading to a receding coast line Solution: Kill all the whales...the melting ice can make up for the water that used to be displaced by these things...and you can feed the starving people. ------------- ? |
Posted By: MeanMan
Date Posted: 02 November 2008 at 9:33pm
Haha, that's great. -------------
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