Obama Wins!
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Topic: Obama Wins!
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Subject: Obama Wins!
Date Posted: 05 November 2008 at 7:53am
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As the political season finally winds down. And a clear winner has been selected. I want to take this chance to Congratulate Obama on his amazing campaign. In my lifetime, I have never seen a candidate be able to mold the press, and public the way he did. I only hope and pray he is able to do the same with our nations problems. We face a difficult time in our nations history. There are many countries that want to knock us off the pedistal we are on. I pray that Obama's Presidency will be able to withstand them with the same strengh he showed in the election process. Obama is now my President, and I will do everything in my power to support him. Our country does need change. And I for one am proud to be able to tell my niece that even though she is african american, she too can go after any dream she desires. This election proves that with the proper dedication, drive, and focus, every office in this land can be achieved, no matter your background, or ethnicity. It will be an interesting road for sure, but as an American. I will join with my brothers to do what is right. Thank you for listening to my rants this election season. It has been fun.
God Bless America.
I stayed up way too late last night... I did manage to catch some of the super late night parties, and here is a pic to prove it.
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Posted By: Eville
Date Posted: 05 November 2008 at 8:02am
no she cant. praise jesus we still wont elect a woman as president. |
FreeEnterprise wrote:Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 05 November 2008 at 8:08am
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That pic is old. And defiantly not the post I expected... Oh Well /me waits for OS ------------- 
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Posted By: sinisterNorth
Date Posted: 05 November 2008 at 8:11am
| /sarcasm? |
Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 05 November 2008 at 8:38am
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Posted By: adrenalinejunky
Date Posted: 05 November 2008 at 9:00am
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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 05 November 2008 at 9:05am
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Wow. I must say I'm actually impressed by the good will,
and almost T&O-unprecedented courtesy being shown here. Good on you. ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 05 November 2008 at 9:54am
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His account was hacked...
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Posted By: AoSpades
Date Posted: 05 November 2008 at 9:55am
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LOLOL -------------  |
Posted By: JohnnyHopper
Date Posted: 05 November 2008 at 10:37am
I disagree, it's obvious that a zombie oboma supporter bit him. We'll have to cut his head off or burn him. Can anyone spare some carbon offsets? I'm not sure I have enough for a proper immolation ------------- My shoes of peace have steel toes. |
Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 05 November 2008 at 10:38am
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He drank the coolaid. ------------- "When I grow up I want to marry a rich man and live in a condor next to the beach" -- My 7yr old daughter. |
Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 05 November 2008 at 10:44am
| Counting down to 2012, survived Carter, will survive Obama. Nough said. |
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 05 November 2008 at 11:00am
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I think my wife said it best to the other home schooling moms that she corrisponds with...
"I must share a couple thoughts from this week's World Magazine (an excellent magazine - if you don't get it already, I highly recommend it!). It may bring a different, encouraging perspective to you today.
Conservative Christians will be among the outsiders, but they should admit that they never really had the power and influence that Republicans told them they had. And they must not give up and retreat from political and cultural engagement. They must still fight abortion, attacks on the family, and moral corruption. Fighting such battles may be more difficult than before, but that should be a call to greater action, not less.
Actually, Christians may be more effective fighting the culture wars from the outside. For all of the political virtues of the Reagan era, the culture continued to deteriorate. The church became part of the culture that it tried to criticize. In many circles, the church lost its credibility, while the evils of the culture ran amok.
To stand apart from the government, at least for awhile, may be helpful in the long run for conservative Christians. They can regroup, rebuild their integrity, and sharpen their differences from the status quo. Christian can build on their larger perspective, knowing that the Word of God remains forever, even as eras and ages come and go.
quote is from World Magazine, "End of an Era" by Gene Edward Veith, mailto:gveith@worldmag.com - gveith@worldmag.com
So be encouraged today, moms, that you are in one of the most influential positions for the future. Let's encourage our children (and husbands) to be politically involved both now and in the future. Let's determine today to call our government representatives both local and federal on every upcoming issue to make our voice heard. Let's become a loud voice for Right that is neither silenced nor delayed when the time comes. All things work together for our good so it is indeed possible that this may bring about an incredible revival and change for the good to our culture." I totally agree with her. ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: mbro
Date Posted: 05 November 2008 at 11:02am
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To be fair he's not your president yet. He's pres elect. You have to wait till Jan 20 for that.
/Nitpicking ------------- 
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Posted By: banana phone
Date Posted: 05 November 2008 at 11:14am
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I'm from Chicago, Illinois and here the our taxes are 6.25% on general purchases and 1% for food, medical, etc. Good thing we just elected someone from
Illinois whose platform was change. The rest of the country will soon
get to experience the promised land as we do.
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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 05 November 2008 at 11:30am
Promised land....right. According to the mathematics that the woman in the business office did, should the promised land health care plan go through: my paychecks will be $100 less then they are now. ------------- ? |
Posted By: TheDude
Date Posted: 05 November 2008 at 11:36am
Would you rather lose 100 dollars and have extensive health care coverage that could save your life in the event you receive a debilitating/deadly injury/illness, or keep that money, sinking way more money into a corrupted and broken health care system? Thats the way I'm looking at it...I'd rather lose money and have the support of the government in such dire times to make sure my family doesn't go bankrupt trying to keep my alive with ridiculously overpriced medical procedures and drugs. Of course, if you don't like obama's health care plan, he gives you the option to not be apart of it, so you still get your way. ------------- "According to Sue Johanson, theres nothing that can increase your manhood, trust me I've already looked into it for myself." -Zata <keep the sigs friendly, please> |
Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 05 November 2008 at 11:42am
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I get extensive health care now. Without losing the $100. I'm living on the edge now in a failing economy with a baby on the way. Losing $2500 in disposable income to pay for someone else doesn't make sense. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for helping people out, but $2500 is a lot of money to have one minute, and not the next. ------------- ? |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 05 November 2008 at 11:52am
Not really. Here are the implications: 1) The Obama health care plan will not provide outstanding health care coverage. It will provide something akin at the lowest possible BCBS/UHC/KP plans. 2) The Obama plan will cover pre-existing conditions which will ultimately drive up the cost of care for individuals with pre-existing conditions. That upswing in cost of care will then be spread around to all subscribers increasing the baseline costs. 3) Despite the pre-existing issue upping the cost of his health-care plan, many baseline subscribers of private health care will be enticed to switch to the socialized plan to either save a few bucks or have pre-existing conditions covered. 4) Loss of these baseline subscribers will increase the cost of care to moderate to high-end subscribers such as myself. 5) These costs will either have to be absorbed by my employer or by myself, and I can tell you exactly how that one will work out. 6) Increased costs will mean that either I or my employer may not be able to afford the current high-end health insurance I subscribe to. This will ultimately mean that I would have to lower the standard of my care. 7) As I lower my standard of care, the cycle occurs all over again and the private insurance companies start to lose profits and get out of the health insurance game all together. 8) As private insurers close their doors or increase their rates to cover their smaller and smaller pool of subscribers, those of us who were well off enough to afford privatized health care right now will be forced to throw our lot in with an already overloaded socialized health care plan which provides far less than my current plan does. 9) At this point we start to resemble the socialized health care plans of the UK where patients are restricted in the type and number of major medical procedures they may have. 10) The health care system, under the burden of so many low-paying subscribers and weighted down with bureaucratic red tape begins to collapse on itself. The government will have two choices, either drop health care and go back to a privatized system, or take over all health care and turn it into a full-on government bureaucracy with low-paying jobs for caregivers to keep the costs low to the government. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 05 November 2008 at 12:19pm
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^^^Tallen forgot the following point: 11) As the wages for jobs in health care decrease without a corresponding decrease in the cost of training and malpractice insurance, providers who can do something else will leave the field. This shortage will be exacerbated by less interest in entering medical fields due to the diminished rewards. The level of health care in general will suffer. ------------- 
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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 05 November 2008 at 12:21pm
I was trying to get that across, but it's hard to do in 10 talking points. 
Thanks for adding it in though.  ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: sporx
Date Posted: 05 November 2008 at 12:48pm
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FreeEnterprise...
and who are you again? [yawn] ------------- 
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Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 05 November 2008 at 12:54pm
Explains a LOT. ------------- "When I grow up I want to marry a rich man and live in a condor next to the beach" -- My 7yr old daughter. |
Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 05 November 2008 at 12:54pm
oh? Illuminate us here. ------------- ? |
Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 05 November 2008 at 12:58pm
Home schooling. IMO says a lot about someone and their beliefs. ------------- "When I grow up I want to marry a rich man and live in a condor next to the beach" -- My 7yr old daughter. |
Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 05 November 2008 at 1:01pm
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Yup. It all makes sense now.
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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 05 November 2008 at 1:01pm
What does it say? ------------- ? |
Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 05 November 2008 at 1:04pm
Did I hit a nerve? ------------- "When I grow up I want to marry a rich man and live in a condor next to the beach" -- My 7yr old daughter. |
Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 05 November 2008 at 1:11pm
Not even remotely. You did pique my curiosity though on how exactly you can justify a blanket statement like that without coming off sounding like a jerk. ------------- ? |
Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 05 November 2008 at 1:14pm
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Just look how Stealth turned out.
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Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 05 November 2008 at 1:16pm
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I know a fair amount of people that home school their children and they tend to be...... "different". Not necessarily in a good way. It would further explain some of his more extreme viewpoints.
------------- "When I grow up I want to marry a rich man and live in a condor next to the beach" -- My 7yr old daughter. |
Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 05 November 2008 at 1:19pm
I know a fair amount of people who home school because they don't care for the public school system. It doesn't make them much 'different' to me. It's got its obvious drawbacks, but to blanket the entire system with negativity sort of smacks of arrogance. ------------- ? |
Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 05 November 2008 at 1:27pm
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The vast majority of people that I encounter that home school their kids do it for religious purposes and tend to be a bit on the fringe. Perhaps your experience has been different, but citing his recent posts and behaviour, I would say it supports my general perception. I am not saying all people that home school their kids are kooks, but it does not surprise me that he does. If you took it as a negative attack on the system, you mistook it. And I am not arrogant, just aloof.
------------- "When I grow up I want to marry a rich man and live in a condor next to the beach" -- My 7yr old daughter. |
Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 05 November 2008 at 1:32pm
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Although oldpbnoob's assessment doesn't hold true for everyone, as it is a generalization, I've found that what he is saying is often correct.
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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 05 November 2008 at 1:37pm
fixed that for you... Yeah, I get that a lot. But, like I stated in a different thread. I really don't care what others think of me. I am only trying to do the best I can for my family, and do the right thing in the eyes of my Lord. I don't send my kids to "public" school, because I can do a better job, faster, for less money, and give them a much better education. Plus it allows me to travel whenever I want. I can "school" them anywhere. My kids will get a much better education, without all of the indoctrination, that goes on in "public" school. I'm paying to have them take the "public" school tests in a couple of months. You want me to post their scores compared to the mean average of the students in my area? I am positive they will be WAY higher than their public educated peers. http://www.hslda.org/docs/nche/000010/200410250.asp - http://www.hslda.org/docs/nche/000010/200410250.asp And my favorite thing is the whole "socialism" argument. My kids have tons of friends. And our house is the one where they all want to come to play. As I have spent my time and effort establishing a place where they can have fun, without all of the "secular" influences that come from public education. My kids can carry on a conversation with anyone, not just kids their own age... They have more respect for others than most of the people who post on this board, and would never use profanity, or dress immodestly. I also don't have to worry about school shootings, or drugs, or alcohol, or cussing, or rude behavior, or lack of respect, or bad grades, or poor grammar, or lazy teachers, or accidents on the way to and from school, or negative peer influence. And I can instead focus on teaching them about life, giving them a well rounded education, and letting them grow in the things that are important to them. Like riding horses, art, reading, and this weird thing called "playing"... Yeah, I'm "different"...
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Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 05 November 2008 at 1:49pm
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Thank you. ------------- "When I grow up I want to marry a rich man and live in a condor next to the beach" -- My 7yr old daughter. |
Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 05 November 2008 at 1:59pm
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So instead of "indoctrinating" them with public education, they get indoctrinated with your own personal beliefs. Hrm.
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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 05 November 2008 at 2:05pm
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fixed that for you.
And yes. I would rather educate my kids than let someone else do it. Unlike public "liberal" education. I actually show them both sides of issues, and the reasons I am for or against them, then let them choose. ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 05 November 2008 at 2:12pm
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Actually, I've found that a liberal education, coupled with a conservative upbringing enabled me to look at the heads and the tails of the same coin. Exposure to liberalism isn't a bad thing. It helps to know your enemy. ------------- ? |
Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 05 November 2008 at 2:13pm
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I'm almost convinced you're a troll now. Do you teach your kids from convservapedia too? I guess free thinking is too much for your kids to handle anyway. You know, why let them come to their own conclusions, when you already made up their minds for them? ------------- irc.esper.net #paintball |
Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 05 November 2008 at 2:42pm
So if you're a conservative, you're not a 'free thinker?' ------------- ? |
Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 05 November 2008 at 2:47pm
I said the same thing in class today, and everyone freaked out on me. ------------- Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo |
Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 05 November 2008 at 2:48pm
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Posted By: Hysteria
Date Posted: 05 November 2008 at 3:30pm
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Did you not think an African American could aspire to much and chase their dreams before yesterday?
You can teach your kids better and faster while running 3 businesses? You must never sleep. (Note- not a personal attack, just an obvious statement as to how impossibly full your schedule must be) For less money? And here I thought free public education was... free.
Congrats. But generally, as others have pointed out, home schooled kids are more socially awkward than usual. Also they all probably want to come over and play because your “compound” is wicked awesome.
So you think schools should embrace sanctioned prayer? What of when the school hires a Muslim teacher? Do you want them leading your kids in prayer to Allah? Do you want a teacher who believes in Odin to lead your kids in prayer? The same could be said of Zeus, Shiva, Thor and FSM. And the reverse is true for those who believe in those gods who send their kids to a predominantly Christian school. Besides, what of Mathew 6:6?
Anonymity does wonders for reserved, respectful people who want to speak their minds.
Oh man. I can't wait until they get to college. Especially concerning the profanity, dress, drugs, alcohol and rude behavior comments. |
Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 05 November 2008 at 4:18pm
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He now has a Chief-of-Staff.
http://thepage.time.com/2008/11/05/offered/?xid=rss-page - Rahm Emanuel |
Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 05 November 2008 at 4:26pm
So, if I'm understanding the point here, people who don't agree with a certain viewpoint do not have the right to raise their children in a manner that teaches the specific values of the family those children were born into.? -------------
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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 05 November 2008 at 4:32pm
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Nothing wrong with that, but I often see a lot of whack-job parents indoctrinate their kids with their fringe mindsets. The kids grow up with worldviews strikingly different from the norm and have problems functioning in society. I guess I'm pretty anti-homeschooling, that's all. I think that kids need to be exposed to a variety of viewpoints, and many times, homeschooling just can't offer that. ------------- irc.esper.net #paintball |
Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 05 November 2008 at 4:35pm
NO MACK, AS LONG AS THE VIEWS YOU'RE FORCING ONTO KIDS ARE THE OPPOSITE OF BUSH, IT'S FREE THINKING. ------------- Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo |
Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 05 November 2008 at 4:38pm
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I never said that. Read my posts. Indoctrination of either side is bad.
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Posted By: notXXscared
Date Posted: 05 November 2008 at 5:21pm
Have you ever seen a kid raised similarly to your own on their own? I see it all the time; parents make them dress a certain way, don't let them express themselves the way they want to, they control their activities, diets, music- anything that makes them an individual, then once they are let loose from their parents, they go ape <crap> because they are finally exposed all at once and completely overwhelmed by the things they where sheltered from all their lives . They don't know how to handle it but want to experience it, and in an attempt to be their own person, they over do it. And it happens all the time with the type of kids that you described raising. Your raising them in a perfect little world. Once they leave your house and go on their own, they are going to experience all the things you never taught them about. And I would bet money your kid is going to get to college, go to his first real party and be either the idiot passed out in his own puke or the idiot pretending to be drunk off a beer, making himself look like a dumb ass either way- why? Because he has never experienced anything that goes on the real world before, has no idea how to handle a real life situation, and doesn't know his limits. Just my $.02. ------------- 
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Posted By: TheDude
Date Posted: 05 November 2008 at 5:25pm
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I don't see how parents think it's okay to close the world off from their children, and only teach them one point of view. An understanding of multiple walks of life is required in today's society in order to be successful. To do anything other than that is plain foolish.
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Posted By: ekeboo
Date Posted: 05 November 2008 at 10:42pm
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My guy lost. the other guy won.. Oh well.. life goes on. -------------  
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Posted By: mod98commando
Date Posted: 05 November 2008 at 11:30pm
True. However, in FE's defense, he did say that he talks to his kids about issues from perspectives other than his own and lets them decide what their view is. I don't doubt that he promotes his beliefs heavily but as long as he presents the facts and shares other views then that's fine. Also, while home schooling does tend to socially cripple some, it isn't true for all. You can home school your child and still let them go out and get involved in sports or other activities to meet people and socialize. The chances of his kids being socially inept are higher due to the fact that they don't go to public schools but I don't think it's right to assume that this is the case. |
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 06 November 2008 at 7:57am
Actually, think about what you are saying. Take a kid, that has not developed any sense of "character" or even personality yet. And throw them in with 20-25 other kids. And "that" teaches them proper respect, and gives them a "full" understanding of the world. More like, causes permanent psychological scars... My wife (who has her degree in psychology) as well as any other mental health professional would argue with that logic. Putting kids into an enviroment "makes" them into what they become. You can put your kids in with all the crack babies, and kids of people like "the dude," and "Benjichang" if you want. For the majority of the day. Just don't be surprised when they turn out different from you... Most of the "issues" that people have to deal with today, come from school. And the education is poor... Look at any forum for proof of this fact. The inability to use logic, or to even consider any "different" view, not to mention the huge assumptions that people make without having lived it. Not to mention the inability to respect someone with faith. You have one shot at raising kids. I for one want to do it right. My kids have character. They don't lie, cheat, steal, cuss, or degrade others. Its quite nice actually. And the reason after work, you never hear from me... I'm at home playing with my kids. Something most "families" don't do anymore. We sit down as a family for almost every dinner (usually made from scratch). We spend the weekends together. I enjoy spending time with them, as much as they enjoy spending time with me. I even read to them almost every night for at least 30 minutes...
Yes, home schooling isn't for everyone. For one, its expensive. Two, your spouse has to stay home, so you have to be able to budget to be able to afford it. Three, its hard, sending your kids to have 20-25 other kids "baby sit" them each day is much easier. And most of the teachers that would get your kids are fresh out of school, and don't have kids of their own... For our family its a better choice. And that is what America is about, Freedom to choose our education. I wouldn't dream of sending my kids to a super liberal school. Why would I? The person they marry is likely to be met at school, and I for one, (as would they) hope they marry someone with the same moral fiber as they have. Otherwise, their life would probably have unnecessary heartache. I grew up in a super religious home. I know what that is like, and I know the rebellion that comes with that, (one of my good friends was Spike Jonze, who used my crazy streak as the inspiration to start a popular tv and film series that I am sure you have heard of.) as I lived it. I would never put my kids through the same type of thing, so I give them lots of choices. And tell them about the choices I made and the outcome of them. Your choices make your life. As to the comment about how busy I am... "The more things you do, the more you can do." I turned Pro in BMX by the time I was 18, I traveled all over this great country. While I was working three jobs, and going to high school. In college, I worked in the film industry on major motion pictures, I also worked full time selling high end video gear all over Oklahoma, Texas, and Arkansas, and made enough money to pay for my college... Where I was taking 20-24 hours a semester... Life is all about choices. I choose to use the time God gave me wisely. And according to the Bible, He will bless me for that. And He has. Why would I throw my children (the best blessing I have) to be raised by an education system with a secular humanistic approach? ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: PaiNTbALLfReNzY
Date Posted: 06 November 2008 at 8:04am
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How about we let people raise their kids how they want to?
Maybe it's not the way some of you would do it, but that doesn't mean that it's wrong. |
Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 06 November 2008 at 8:18am
That's the most intelligent thing I've seen in this entire thread. ------------- ? |
Posted By: adrenalinejunky
Date Posted: 06 November 2008 at 9:46am
those are all very valid points - and i know homeschooling very well, having been homeschooled myself on and off, and having gone to a youth group for many years coming in contact with well upwards of 100 homeschooled kids. however, as pointed out, while the generilization holds, its not ALWAYS true, kids who have outside activities (sports, music, whatever - as long as they arent all homeschool specific activities) most the time end up turning out pretty level headed. i'm not against homeschooling, but i do think that many people do a very poor job of educating thier children about society when they do it. and on a personal note - i greatly prefered homeschooling over both public and private schools. |
Posted By: gh0st
Date Posted: 06 November 2008 at 9:47am
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LOL ur kids r gon be socially inept, gg -------------  |
Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 06 November 2008 at 9:56am
So THAT'S what irony looks like. huh. ------------- ? |
Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 06 November 2008 at 9:57am
Same. -------------
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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 06 November 2008 at 10:01am
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I just think that if you're going to homeschool your kids, please do it right. As a parent homeschooling children, you have a lot of control during some very formative years. I'm sure the vast majority of homeschooled kids make it out fine, but I'm also sure that it hurts a good number socially and intellectually as well.
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Posted By: adrenalinejunky
Date Posted: 06 November 2008 at 10:07am
if by make it out fine, you mean eventually adjust, thats probably true. if you by that you mean by that they dont either A - Go psycho the moment they are out on thier own or B - somehow manage to hold on to thier little buble, remaining remarkably niave for there age for several years after they have been on thier own. then i would actually disagree with "vast majority" very much :) |
Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 06 November 2008 at 10:32am
I knew/know a large number of home schooled kids through my church, and it is amazing to see how bad they are at social interaction in general. I don't think anyone should homeschool. If you can't mold your children's beliefs without cutting off all other sources of information, you are stupid. And you're doubly stupid because now your kid is going to have to spend more time adapting to the world when they finally get away from you. ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: gh0st
Date Posted: 06 November 2008 at 10:35am
Boo-yahhhh ------------- |
Posted By: Hysteria
Date Posted: 06 November 2008 at 2:51pm
lolwut? And way to completely dodge my post above. |
Posted By: Tical3.0
Date Posted: 06 November 2008 at 2:53pm
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Posted By: adrenalinejunky
Date Posted: 06 November 2008 at 2:57pm
| i'm gonna take a stab here and guess he meant expensive compared to public school (free), less money compared to private school. |
Posted By: Hysteria
Date Posted: 06 November 2008 at 3:01pm
He specifically said he doesn't send them to public schools because it is free. Then he specifically said home schooling isn't for everyone because it cost more money than public schooling. I'm not sure how you got the private school out of that. |
Posted By: adrenalinejunky
Date Posted: 06 November 2008 at 3:07pm
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i didnt, that was just my own speculation based on what possible logic could have been behind a statement like that
sometimes people DO accidently omit important details to what they are trying to say you know :) |
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 07 November 2008 at 7:27am
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I said public school was "free"... prove it. Public school is not "free" unless you don't own a house, and don't pay taxes... The local school levy just passed in my area. by 400 votes (students from Miami, Oxford vote typically vote for these things, so they only put them on the ballot during presidential elections, as they always fail otherwise). So, my property taxes will go up again, for the next 36 years. On top of the "income tax" they imposed right after I finished my new house... Public schools are not "free". I might have joked that people think they are "free" but that is just because so many think that if the government "furnishes" something it doesn't have a cost. Truth is, the government spends around $8,700 a year per student to "edumicate" you guys/girls. http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSN2438214220070524?feedType=RSS&rpc=22 - http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSN24382142200 70524?feedType=RSS&rpc=22 I spend around $1,000 for two kids per year. Plus the cost of piano lessons, art lessons, home school co-op, riding lessons, ect. While paying for all the public school as well. PS, private schools around here are around $5,500 a year, way less than what the "government" pays for your "public" education.
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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 07 November 2008 at 8:28am
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 07 November 2008 at 11:45am
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I like Doonesbury.
I know that makes me an average age of about 55, but I still like it. I figured people here would like today's 
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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 07 November 2008 at 11:54am
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Fixed that for ya... I dare you to watch this video, of a typical public school teacher here in America... http://michellemalkin.com/2008/11/06/child-abuser-obama-supporting-teacher-bullies-soldiers-daughter/ - http://michellemalkin.com/2008/11/06/child-abuser-obama-supp orting-teacher-bullies-soldiers-daughter/ ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 07 November 2008 at 11:59am
For one, that is not a "typical" public school teacher. Second, I see nothing wrong with the video other than she got a bit too enthusiastic debating kids. ------------- Que pasa? 
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 07 November 2008 at 12:02pm
Michelle Malkin? Really? The linking has hit new lows. |
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 07 November 2008 at 12:04pm
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Oh, really... As usual, I present facts, that are ignored. Wake up. I went to public school in NC. Raleigh in fact. Which is the state capital if you didn't know, and I had a bunch of teachers just like her. And that was 25 years ago. ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 07 November 2008 at 12:06pm
Exactly? ------------- Que pasa?
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Posted By: Tical3.0
Date Posted: 07 November 2008 at 12:06pm
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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 07 November 2008 at 12:07pm
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Public education in this country is "done". And any parent that has character would do anything in their power to keep their children as far away from it as possible. I guess if I posted it this way your "media" mind would feel better about it... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSwgerG34s0 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSwgerG34s0 ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 07 November 2008 at 12:09pm
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Michelle Malkin.
Facts. In the same context???
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Posted By: *Stealth*
Date Posted: 07 November 2008 at 12:48pm
It's a legitimate point. ------------- |
Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 07 November 2008 at 1:43pm
Yes, the fact that the video is from Michelle Malkin makes the entire thing bogus and thus it can be ignored. -------------
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Posted By: PaiNTbALLfReNzY
Date Posted: 07 November 2008 at 2:26pm
Cute. |
Posted By: adrenalinejunky
Date Posted: 07 November 2008 at 2:40pm
haha. |
Posted By: mod98commando
Date Posted: 08 November 2008 at 1:16am
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Much to the dismay of most of you guys, I think I have to sort of agree with FE on the subject of public school sucking. I went through public school my whole life and while I didn't come out of it a failure, I think the system is pretty flawed. Most teachers just don't really give a crap about education from my experience. A lot of them decided to be teachers because they liked the fact that they could get summers off or they thought it would be easier than most other professions. Of course, I don't know all of them very well so I can't say for sure that they all didn't care about doing their job well but I think it's pretty clear when somebody is enthusiastic about what they do. I have had some teachers who clearly cared about sharing their knowledge and helping us to learn new things and I'm grateful for them but the rest sort of left me feeling cheated in a way. My mother is a teacher and has worked in education for quite some time now so I get to hear tons of stories about how worthless some of her co-workers are. She teaches at a k-2 school so we're talking really little kids here. Some of the stuff I hear about these teachers is really depressing because I know those kids are not going to see their full potential just because they were deprived at such a critical point. If done right, I absolutely believe that home-schooled kids are better off than those who go to public schools, generally speaking. I believe FE even said it himself; an enthusiastic teacher is far more effective and who is more enthusiastic than somebody teaching their own kid? And there's also the fact that, when you're the only student, you get all of the attention so it can be assured that you understand everything and that teaching can go at an appropriate pace. In a public school situation, the whole class goes at the same pace so some are left behind and others are held back. True, there are special classes for those at vastly different levels but it's easier to adapt when there's only one student involved. |
Posted By: adrenalinejunky
Date Posted: 08 November 2008 at 9:11am
| trust me - as someone who went to private school, public school, and was homeschooled, i completely agree the public school sucks, hardcore. |
Posted By: mbro
Date Posted: 08 November 2008 at 9:48am
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How is a thread titled "Obama Wins" now about homeschooling? -------------
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Posted By: mod98commando
Date Posted: 09 November 2008 at 1:49pm
| Topics tend to change rapidly when FE is involved in the discussion since people attack every part of his posts as if he was talking smack about their mother. At least some decent information usually emerges from it. |
Posted By: Bolt3
Date Posted: 09 November 2008 at 3:03pm
Shut up and get off my internet. ------------- <Removed sig for violation of Clause 4 of the New Sig Rules> |
Posted By: Bolt3
Date Posted: 09 November 2008 at 3:05pm
Public schools are great. Said by a graduate of a public school education.  ------------- <Removed sig for violation of Clause 4 of the New Sig Rules> |
Posted By: Rambino
Date Posted: 09 November 2008 at 8:04pm
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I think it is a tad generalizing to made broad statements about "public schools." This may be truer in other countries where public schools are centrally funded, but in the US where schools are mostly funded and operated locally, there is quite a bit of variation. Some public schools are complete crap; others are very good. Similarly, there are private schools I would put NOT to educate my children. I deem my local school district wanting, and have chosen private school for that reason. Had I lived in the next school district over, however, we probably would have gone with the public school. In fact, we considered buying a new house just for that reason. ------------- [IMG]http://i38.tinypic.com/aag8s8.jpg"> |
Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 09 November 2008 at 9:24pm
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For those that say public schools suck, you obviously live in a crappy area;
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Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 09 November 2008 at 9:32pm
I would have to agree. Then again, I went to a public school district that is within the top 5%, in terms of both funding and statistics. I'm amazed by what counts for teaching in some places...ie: Trenton, which is about 15 minutes away from my house in NJ. ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: mod98commando
Date Posted: 09 November 2008 at 10:16pm
Our state is so corrupt it's unbelievable. Most of the administration couldn't care less about education, they just want the money and power. Some of our schools are supposed to be pretty good but I think the bar is just set kind of low. Maybe it's not entirely true to say they suck but I definitely think they could be better. |
Posted By: Ford
Date Posted: 09 November 2008 at 10:24pm
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I haven't read any of this thread, but I do have a new avatar.
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Posted By: Tical3.0
Date Posted: 09 November 2008 at 10:26pm
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Thats a pretty damn old avatar ------------- I ♣ hippies. |
Posted By: bravecoward
Date Posted: 09 November 2008 at 10:35pm
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omg he smokes?
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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 09 November 2008 at 10:58pm
Agreed, it varies widely. IA takes students from my old high school, which is considered one of the top in the state. 5 min down the road is Pontiac... yeah... don't even have to explain that one. -------------
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Posted By: Gator Taco
Date Posted: 09 November 2008 at 11:12pm
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I wonder what he smokes. Edit: Upon a google search, it would seem Obama smokes Marlboro Lights. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/trailgator01 - last.fm |
Posted By: Predatorr
Date Posted: 09 November 2008 at 11:30pm
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Look, FE. I grew up in a military family, so meeting new people isn't exactly difficult for me. Down the street was a home-schooled kid. Very religious family, very moral, and the kid was as polite as they came. With that said, he was socially awkward. Just one of those kids that you get that feeling about, he was just weird. You know what I'm talking about. My secondary school is number 95 in the nation, so I don't really know what it's like to go to school in a "broken system". You are a product of your environment, and had I wanted to smoke weed, drink, and run rampant in the streets, I could have. But I didn't. And that's what it amounts to. You can send your kids to public school and have them receive a wonderful education, and learn invaluable social skills. I'm not sure how you can wonder how kids get social skills from public school, but I think it may come from interacting with teachers, administrators, and students of different ages. Let's not forget learning how to talk to members of the opposite sex, which I'm guessing doesn't happen in the same way. If you're so sure your kids have morals, good sense of right and wrong, and are bright, then they'll shine in public school, and they'll stay out of trouble. I find it hard to believe that you have time to run three businesses, read the bible each and every night, teach your kids (better than people trained to do that, with a degree, and who teach an individual subject, mind you), AND satisfy your significant other, emotionally, and physically. You must be the spawn of God himself. Your arguments are flawed, though you make the occasional good point. I just don't think that sheltering your children from the outside world that they will inevitably encounter when they leave your nest, is the greatest of ideas. They need to breathe, interact, and live. |