is microsoft being left behind?
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Topic: is microsoft being left behind?
Posted By: adrenalinejunky
Subject: is microsoft being left behind?
Date Posted: 09 November 2008 at 2:00pm
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ok, so i'm a linux user, but this isnt my personal trolling attempt to promote linux over windows, its an honest question - what do you think?
http://apple20.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2008/04/01/analyst-apples-us-consumer-market-share-now-21-percent/ - Apple has been cutting into a lot of the higher end computing marketshare, while http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=a3VyE_ofSwwE&refer=news - linux has been cutting into alot of the low end, and into phones recently as well. do you guys thing we will see a major turn in the future concerning the industry standard for operating systems? |
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Posted By: You Wont See Me
Date Posted: 09 November 2008 at 2:09pm
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I still see Microsoft being the staple of most computer users for the foreseeable future. The average person that uses a computer will just use what they're familiar with, and for right now that's still Windows for the majority of people. However, with more Macs being used in schools nowadays kids may be more familiar with Mac. ------------- A-5 E-Grip JCS Dual Trigger DOP X-CORE 8 stage x-chamber Lapco Bigshot 14" Beadblasted Optional setup: R/T Dead on Blade trigger |
Posted By: mbro
Date Posted: 09 November 2008 at 2:11pm
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Eh, Microsoft will remain dominate for at least 5 more years. There are way to many different flavors of linux for them to become totally mainstream.
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Posted By: adrenalinejunky
Date Posted: 09 November 2008 at 2:22pm
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heh ^^
i'm typing this from an xp powered laptop (not mine, my hard drive went out.... maybe you were all right about WD...) linux is making its way into schools as well, for example, in indiana they currently have a pilot program going, which if successfull would result in almost 300,000 school pc's running linux. other countries are considering or already switching to linux for thier schools as well. personally i dont think the change will happen overnight, but in a couple years, i wouldnt be suprised to see microsoft no longer having a majority marketshare. |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 09 November 2008 at 2:23pm
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Macs are just a fashion accessory fad to most people imo.
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Posted By: adrenalinejunky
Date Posted: 09 November 2008 at 2:28pm
while in some cases i agree with you, macs are pretty much the multimedia standard.... and i can certianly understand reasons why someone would want to buy a mac for actual use. |
carl_the_sniper wrote:Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 09 November 2008 at 2:32pm
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Of course. ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 09 November 2008 at 2:55pm
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With the economy being what it is, and more and more inexpensive laptops like eeepc's running Linux, it seems that Linux has a good opportunity to increase it market share. Inevitably, we're going to see more and more people using Linux as cloud computing continues to increase in popularity. Linux has improved drastically over the last few recent years. Look how big Ubuntu has gotten. I think we're going to see increased use of Linux on the desktop among average people. The name is getting out there. -------------  irc.esper.net #paintball |
Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 09 November 2008 at 3:08pm
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Somewhat related note- If they ever come out with a Linux Ventrilo client like they keep saying, I probably wouldn't even use Windows. WoW runs amazing in Wine. I know there is a Teamspeak client for Linux, but everyone uses Vent. Also, I wish they would standardize sound for Linux. ALSA, OSS? Blah. ------------- irc.esper.net #paintball |
Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 09 November 2008 at 3:09pm
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As long as 99% of the software I use works on PC without any hassle, I'm using it. ------------- 
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Posted By: adrenalinejunky
Date Posted: 09 November 2008 at 3:15pm
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My guess is that ALSA will end up being the standard, it seems much more widespread then OSS in my experience.
what i think would be the biggest advantage is a package management standardization - sure, you can install alot of non-native packages with the alien command - but it should be seemless. then all the different distro's dont have to replicate as much of each others work. |
Posted By: mbro
Date Posted: 09 November 2008 at 4:23pm
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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 09 November 2008 at 5:22pm
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Agreed with the .deb idea. I'd guess most people are using Debian-based distros now anyway.
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Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 09 November 2008 at 5:24pm
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What the hell are you people talking about?
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Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 09 November 2008 at 5:43pm
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I'm sorry, but Microsoft is going no where, Apple is not about to outsell Windows, and Linux is not about to take over the desktop market. The vast majority of users use Windows. I think a statistic from a year or two ago was something like 8 million systems use a variant of Apple's OS and 300 million use Windows XP alone. Windows will remain the desktop standard just because its affordable and its what most people are used to. Apple lately has been working on gathering new customers, but their sales style is more focused on a dedicated core group of consumers who will stick to their upgrade plan rather then users coming from time to time, buying a PC when they need one and whatever flavor of Windows is cheap. Unless Apple changes their style they will not take over the market, and they have no reason to. Apple does fine with its marketing style already, attracting huge groups of consumers with breif fads, then sitting back for a bit and doing it all again. Linux is becoming more oriented towards desktop use but its still very much a server OS. I doubt a lot we'll start seeing Linux overtaking Windows. There isn't enough development for the OS by, for want of a better word, professonal developers for most companies to want to deploy Linux for the bulk of their computer using staff. Not to mention the vast costs of retraining their employees. Windows is cheap enough and works well enough. Small companies may make the switch, but larger firms would most likely keep using what they use. Windows fumbled with Vista, but its to firm in the market to let that damage its standings significantly. Its here to stay. ------------- Real Men play Tuba [IMG]http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/1859/newsmall6xz.jpg"> PH33R TEH 1337 Dwarf! http://www.tippmann.com/forum/wwf77a/log_off_user.asp" rel="nofollow - DONT CLICK ME!!1 |
Posted By: gh0st
Date Posted: 09 November 2008 at 6:21pm
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Seen anything about Windows 7? It looks great. In addition: http://blogs.computerworld.com/more_reasons_windows_7_will_kill_linux - http://blogs.computerworld.com/more_reasons_windows_7_will_k ill_linux http://blogs.computerworld.com/one_more_reason_linux_must_fear_windows_7 - http://blogs.computerworld.com/one_more_reason_linux_must_fe ar_windows_7 -------------  |
Posted By: Gator Taco
Date Posted: 09 November 2008 at 6:53pm
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My computer runs off of Windows XP. I like XP. Though for my next computer I'm leaning towards getting an Apple, just because my experience with other Apple products (iPod) have been great.
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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 09 November 2008 at 7:06pm
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Posted By: Rambino
Date Posted: 09 November 2008 at 7:56pm
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Yeah... Microsoft absolutely dominates the general business platform in this and most other countries. A few industries use Apple products, but it's gonna be Microsoft for the foreseeable future. Apple has done a reasonable job attacking the personal user, but they haven't even made a dimple of a dent in the business market. And Linux? Yeah, I don't think so. Ain't gonna happen. ------------- [IMG]http://i38.tinypic.com/aag8s8.jpg"> |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 09 November 2008 at 9:30pm
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In a related note, I was on the apple website today and did you know that for a mac pro, to upgrade from 2 gigs of ram to 4 gigs of ram, it costs $500?
Freggin $500? What the hell? You can buy entire computers (with four gigs of ram) for that price. ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 09 November 2008 at 9:36pm
Mine cost me me $100, although that was the last version. http://store.apple.com/us/configure/MB470LL/A?mco=MTkzOTI0Mg - This page says you're wrong though...only $150. Other two (higher) versions come with 4 GB's stock. *EDIT* Also, you're buying a crappy laptop if it's $500. I can play Crysis on high on my laptop (and I cry knowing that Apple's newer laptops have GeForce 9600's, and I'm stuck with my 8600), and it's more portable than any of my school textbooks. Not for everyone, maybe, but you get what you pay for ($2011, in my case, which I think was very well spent). ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: pntbl freak
Date Posted: 09 November 2008 at 9:59pm
Not really. If you are buying a $500 laptop, you are buying it simply for daily use. You will use it for web/word processing and thats about it. -------------  |
Posted By: mod98commando
Date Posted: 09 November 2008 at 10:09pm
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Well, it's nice to see that they may have learned their lesson from the last release. Vista was utter crap when it first came out and it's just barely able to match XP in reliability and speed now. They should have just given Vista the axe and spent the extra resources on Windows 7. Either way, I plan on looking into linux more closely when I have the time to really learn all about it. Although Vista is tolerable on my laptop, I'd like to see how that thing runs with a lightweight OS on it instead. I truly hope they don't bloat the crap out of Windows 7 before release and god help them if the first release is as problematic as Vista was. |
Posted By: oreomann33
Date Posted: 09 November 2008 at 10:12pm
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http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/153216/windows_azure_why_microsoft_better_get_it_right.html - This is what Microsoft is working on. Apple will be out of business if they pull it off. ------------- 
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Posted By: Shub
Date Posted: 09 November 2008 at 10:54pm
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I'm basically just echoing what other people have said at this point, but I don't think Microsoft is going anywhere in the foreseeable future.
Apple has cut into Windows market share a tad, but many experts feel that Apple has achieved market saturation...where anyone who wants a Mac computer already owns one, and new sales basically only account for existing Mac customers buying new machines. Linux has really come on strong, so much so that all the big companies are offering machines running user-friendly distros, particularly in their low powered netbooks. And of course, not having to put Microsoft's cut on the price of a new computer is attractive to companies already selling machines with razor thin margins. However, I still don't think that Linux will become really mainstream for average non-geek users. The netbook issue will be moot soon, Microsoft announced that Windows 7 will be sufficiently lightweight to operate on a low powered PC. And really, all of this is just a bunch of nerds bickering for something to talk about on a Sunday night when there's nothing better to do. As we become more accustomed to the idea of cloud computing, which OS you are using becomes less important. |
Posted By: Glassjaw
Date Posted: 09 November 2008 at 11:37pm
You can purchase quality for not ridiculous prices. Just have to know where to look. ------------- |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 09 November 2008 at 11:49pm
http://store.apple.com/us/configure/MA970LL/A?mco=NzQ3Njkz - This page says otherwise I don't know what your second point had to do with anyting. ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 09 November 2008 at 11:53pm
Also,
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Posted By: adrenalinejunky
Date Posted: 10 November 2008 at 9:27am
thats actually one statement i entirely disagree with. Red Hat, Novel, etc. provide very professional buisness offerings that are very stable and they offer tech support assistance as well which is actually all they are charging you for for the os. and they only charge you once - no matter how many copies you have running. compared to buying a windows lisense for every computer a company has, its honestly a better solution. doubly so now that microsoft office will be supporting the Open Document Format natively, because there are no concerns of document interoperability problems. |
Posted By: Mehs
Date Posted: 10 November 2008 at 1:26pm
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Every day I work more and more people ask me if they can get a Mac leased to them instead of a PC, only art kids get Macs lolz.
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Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 10 November 2008 at 1:34pm
I read MacBook Pro, I guess. The Mac Pro is not a laptop, it's designed for very high end graphics applications. I have never met anyone who's even considered buying one. Mac makes money by selling laptops, not desktops. (Although this isn't apparently entirely true, according to the facts on http://www.macworld.com/article/133145/2008/04/profit.html - this website. Apparently it's more like 1.7 laptops to desktops, at least over the last year.) My second point was that people who spend money on computers generally do not buy $500 computers. Computers that inexpensive make up a relatively unimportant part of the market, and Apple has never tried to court them.
I agree. I don't think $2000 was ridiculous for what I got either, though. If I had wanted to build a desktop with the same specs, and have a Windows-only machine, I would have cut the price by at least 50%. But I didn't. A lot of people seem to agree that the MacBook Pro is a good laptop, and I definitely do.
Wow, there were a lot of spelling errors in that document. Also, "the cloud" has ceased to be a new concept. Just because Microsoft can make its software cloud-friendly doesn't mean it's going to increase its market share much. Partly because it's so big already. Saying that this will put Apple out of business is like saying that the Cake Party winning means no one here eats pie anymore. I clearly ate pie at least twice in the past 6 days, therefore, this cannot be true. ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 10 November 2008 at 4:50pm
Nevertheless, the ram is still $500 for a two gig upgrade regardless of what computer it is built on. ($200 is kinda rediculous also) Your second point continues to be comnpletely irrelevant. ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 11 November 2008 at 8:04am
Well, you can continue to think that. That's why you're not going into business though. Not every item on the market is made for you. There are people who will, and do, pay $500, or $1500 for the RAM upgrades in Mac Pros, and they are generally people who make a good amount of money doing some sort of graphic design, video editing, etc. As I said above, it's not a computer designed for mass market. Apple doesn't need a second mass market desktop; this one is aimed at businesses that do high end graphics work. It's a totally different dynamic than consumers. ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 11 November 2008 at 8:13am
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I work with both mac and pc's. I prefer macs, but I usually can't justify the additional cost... So, at home I have three xp's and one vista. I hate the vista... It is a pain all the time. Click control panel. Are you sure you want to open the control panel... Yes, click that. Click monitor preferences, up pops a window. Are you sure you want to open monitor preferences... so annoying. Macs are just better. And that is why I have a ton of apple stock. I remember buying it at $13.00 a share... And today, it has split a few times, and they have the best mobile phone/gaming device/ipod/macbook pro/plus super strong interconnected software. and CS4 ------------- They tremble at my name... 
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 11 November 2008 at 10:00am
My entire point was that the ram prices are rediculous, not that the fanboys would pay it (which is definately true) ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 11 November 2008 at 10:05am
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There's nothing you can do on a Mac that you can't do just as easily on a Windows machine. If you think the extra price is justified, then get a Mac. If not, Windows works just fine.
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Posted By: mod98commando
Date Posted: 11 November 2008 at 3:49pm
That's pretty much the bottom line right there. I get a giggle out of fanboys who pay nearly twice as much for everything because it's associated with Apple. ------------- oreomann33: Everybody invades Poland Rofl_Mao: And everyone eats turkey Me: But only if they're hungary Mack: Yeah but hungary people go russian through their food and end up with greece on everyth |
Posted By: Mehs
Date Posted: 11 November 2008 at 4:28pm
Disable teh UAC in Vista...problem solved! ------------- [IMG]http://i27.tinypic.com/1538fbc.jpg"> Squeeze Box ☣ |