Ammunition. The new currency.
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Topic: Ammunition. The new currency.
Posted By: Ceesman762
Subject: Ammunition. The new currency.
Date Posted: 14 November 2008 at 1:30pm
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$7 for a box of .223 55 grain Wolf. Ouch... ------------- Innocence proves nothing FUAC!!!!! |
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Posted By: Bruce Banner
Date Posted: 14 November 2008 at 1:32pm
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How much is that in oil? ------------- Waste and excess are not conservative family values http://www.nytimes.com/ref/opinion/07opclassic.html - Nature is not a liberal plot http://pickensplan.com - A Good Energy Plan |
Posted By: Evil Elvis
Date Posted: 14 November 2008 at 1:52pm
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serriously who shoots steel cased wulf ammo? I'd rather save up and get something decent that you can reload. ------------- 
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Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 14 November 2008 at 1:54pm
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How much is that in baby blood?
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Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 14 November 2008 at 2:11pm
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that's my point, it is the cheapest crap, Other ammo Federal, Winchester, Remington, are at $11 a box for the same grain bullet. Lake City you can't find. all on back order. Wednesday, the local gun shop got 5 cases of .223 in and by 3 pm, it was all gone. ------------- Innocence proves nothing FUAC!!!!! |
Evil Elvis wrote:Posted By: Bruce Banner
Date Posted: 14 November 2008 at 2:14pm
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So, who here thinks that the arms manufacturers secretly give lots of money to Democrats? The Cooper Arms guy foolishly supported Obama in public, but it sure seems like Democrats are good for their business. ------------- Waste and excess are not conservative family values http://www.nytimes.com/ref/opinion/07opclassic.html - Nature is not a liberal plot http://pickensplan.com - A Good Energy Plan |
Posted By: ekeboo
Date Posted: 14 November 2008 at 2:15pm
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That's all that my shop carries.. 7.62 in wolf or 7.62 in American Eagle. Sorry im gonna shoot the wolf... Besides.. The SKS is pretty mean on shells. -------------  
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Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 14 November 2008 at 2:19pm
Bruce, the price of ammo has been going up steadily the last 3 years, material to make bullets in high demand (copper and brass), ammunition production being diverted to the military, now panic buying has had a huge impact to the price as well. ------------- Innocence proves nothing FUAC!!!!! |
Posted By: .636
Date Posted: 14 November 2008 at 3:37pm
You can reload steel case, easier to do with larger calibres like X39. Need to punch out the anvil on the primer pocket and put in your own primer. Should come up to canada for some ammo... I pay 8.99 a box for PMC 55 grain and AE 55 grain BTFMJ. Same price for the 50 grain hollow points Cases of 7.62X39 for 300 bucks... but its all czech corrosive. ------------- |
Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 14 November 2008 at 3:41pm
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PMC was 3.50 a box of 20 rounds a month ago. ------------- Innocence proves nothing FUAC!!!!! |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 14 November 2008 at 3:41pm
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Actually, some steel casings are now boxer primed, so it's not even an extra step anymore Andy. Depends on the company though. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: .636
Date Posted: 14 November 2008 at 4:29pm
I wouldn't really know that. All the steel case Ive seen is either Czech surplus or wolf that somebody illegally imported since it has not been approved for use in Canada yet... ------------- |
Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 14 November 2008 at 4:35pm
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Wolf .223 gums up my AR's bolt and locking lugs with the lacquer. Itfails to lock the bolt to the rear when the last round has been fired. Wolf .308 is decent, good plinking ammo, but gums up my M1A. Wolf .45 is great stuff but dirty too. but prices keep climbing... ------------- Innocence proves nothing FUAC!!!!! |
Posted By: Project Irene
Date Posted: 14 November 2008 at 5:26pm
| Really? Me and the guys I shoot with have fired nearly 10,000 rounds of assorted Wolf ammunition in three different calibers. No problems. You know, you should clean your firearm every 500 to 1000 rounds anyway. Wolf is fine. |
Posted By: Destruction
Date Posted: 14 November 2008 at 5:30pm
Tinfoil hat plx. ------------- u dont know what to do ur getting mottor boatted Men are from Magmar, women are from Venusaur. |
Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 14 November 2008 at 7:51pm
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Ouch. Being a poor college student I haven't been buying ammo often(well, a box or two of those $3.00 per round sabot slugs) in the past few years. I thought it had come down a bit from a year or two ago. For a while there you couldn't get Wolf X39. We used to have a mini-14 that didn't like Wolf. The red laquer would gum up the firing pin and I'd get weak hits on the primer. I probably still have a few hundred rounds kicking around, mostly 55 grain FMJ with a few 62gr and 55 gr HP's since I was hoping to build an AR one day. It's Wolf, winchester white box and PMC. PMC 6.5X55 used to be about $12 per 20. If 5.56 is like that today, ouch. A while ago I picked up some Hansen Ammunition from Yugoslavia, but the cases appear to be IMI. It's lead core with a copper jacket and my SKS seems to shoot it significantly better than wolf or any other surplus. The price was competative, but I haven't seen it since. |
Posted By: Ford
Date Posted: 14 November 2008 at 9:19pm
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NATO surplus .223 ftw.
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Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 14 November 2008 at 9:30pm
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Boo hoo, poor little bank accounts. $7 for a box of .223.
Here it runs at $25. True this is for S&B boxer primed 55grain FMJ, but that's all that's on the shelves. And not even for long. KBK |
Posted By: Ford
Date Posted: 14 November 2008 at 9:38pm
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This is why you buy it 5,000 rounds at a time when it's cheap noobs.
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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 14 November 2008 at 10:06pm
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"Cheap" ammo isn't even that cheap anymore. 7.62x54R is running $80/440 for the cheap combloc surplus. What's worse is that it's all steel core which means an hour drive for me to get to a range that will let me shoot it (outdoor). ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: JohnnyHopper
Date Posted: 14 November 2008 at 10:31pm
At least you can get steel core. 7.62x39 steel core is expensive/hard to get. How am I supposed to stop deer without them? ;) ------------- My shoes of peace have steel toes. |
Posted By: .636
Date Posted: 14 November 2008 at 10:50pm
80 bucks for 440 54R is so cheap. 500 rounds here is 170 And why are you going to a range to shoot? go into the bush man ------------- |
Posted By: ShortyBP
Date Posted: 14 November 2008 at 11:14pm
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The newer Wolf is polymer coated, which solved a lot of the lacquer problems of the older stuff. It does not solve all of the problems that accompany steel-cased ammo though. I've shot probably 1000rds of Wolf without issues... but last month at Pepprdog's, ran into jamming problems as I switched back and forth between Wolf and brass-cased. Lesson learned: don't mix brass/steel in the same range session.
The newer Wolf is also boxer primed and RELOADABLE, although given I have brass cases to load, I've only bothered with reloading a small batch to test. The rest I'll just hold onto as a last-ditch. I don't feel the need to load steel cases when I can load brass (but I am keeping the steel, all the same). [add in: newer Wolf in 223, 40S&W and 45ACP are boxer... all other calibers remain berdan] Ammo is indeed the new currency! I stockpiled 2-3 years ago, and Evil Elvis made fun of me the whole time, saying I was paying too much... meanwhile, my stockpile has tripled in "dollar value" and I'm in a position where I don't buy centerfire ammo anymore (since I am now reloading). I'm actually looking to offload 1640rds of Wolf 62gr FMJ (polymer/boxer) to put towards more powder, primers and pistol projectiles. I sold 1000rds of Wolf 55gr and 1000rds of 7.62x39 to a Corpsman at work a couple weeks ago to fund another reloading component spending spree. About 20min ago, I just finished a batch of 480 124gr FMJ 9x19 reloads. Never thought I'd bother reloading 9mm. Not too long ago, it was more expensive to reload it than it was to buy it new. Not the case anymore. Hell, with my 401K and TSP taking massive hits lately, and my property value decreasing... my ammo stockpile is the only asset I have that's going in the upward direction! 
Doesn't matter whether you buy by the box, or buy 5 cases at a time... nothing is "cheap" anymore.
There is no bush by Tallen and I. Go to the woods near us with a rifle, and you'll have at least five different law enforcement agencies bear down on you in minutes. 
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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 15 November 2008 at 12:03am
Because the only bush around my house is the one sitting in the Oval office. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: .636
Date Posted: 15 November 2008 at 12:11am
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Suckers, I'm 5 min from the shooting boundary.
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Posted By: TRAVELER
Date Posted: 15 November 2008 at 9:41am
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There are worse things than Wolf. Stay away from the Aquila (Eagle) ammo made in Mexico. I bought a box to use in my Marlin '94 rifle, and it was incredible. I was shooting at an indoor range, so the maximum distance was 25 yards. I cocked the rifle, aimed, and fired. I looked, and didn't see a hole in the target. Puzzled, I fired again, and this time hit the target (24"x24") on the lower left hand corner outside the outer ring. I fired a third round, and it hit the upper right hand of the paper. My old A5 with a flatline barrel could shoot straighter. I'm not that bad a shot, I qualified "expert" during my entire time in the Army. I pulled in the target and noticed that both the holes were "keyholed", meaning that the bullets had hit them while flying sideways. I took an unfired bullet from the box and inserted the tip into the muzzle of the rifle and found that it was made too small to engage the rifling. The bullet would have fallen freely through the length of the barrel. I took the remaining ammo back to the store where I had bought it, and they immediately pulled all Aquila ammo of all calibers from the shelves. My favorite .223 ammo was the South African stuff that was available a few years ago. Then I got rid of my last .223 rifle and picked up a couple .308 rifles. I bought 4 cases (the wooden ones) of Australian .308, and several boxes of surplus tracers. Now I'm thinking I should have bought more. I have an SBR Krinkov that I built last year, but have only test fired it. I have a few boxes of Norinco ammo set aside for it, if I ever get back to America to use it. ------------- For I will wander to and fro, I'll go where I no one do know, |
Posted By: clownshooter
Date Posted: 16 November 2008 at 12:24am
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Shorty is correct, the polymer coated steel cased Wolf is an improvement. I find that it is still dirty shooting ammo. Springfield Armory does not recommend using steel cased ammo in any of its firearms. I bought some (actually a whole lot) South African 7.62 when it was cheap ($22/140 rnd. battle pack). Prvi Partizan has some good 7.62X51 http://wideners.com/itemdetail.cfm?item_id=7240&dir=18830848 - http://wideners.com/itemdetail.cfm?item_id=7240&dir=18|8 30|848 . I did find some South African 7.62 in battle packs but it was around $56 per battle pack. |
Posted By: .636
Date Posted: 16 November 2008 at 2:22am
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Just bought some lake city AP M2 50 bmg today for kicks... Now I need to find somone willing to lend me their 4000 dollar gun. Ten bucks a shot, had better be sighted in correctly
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Posted By: TRAVELER
Date Posted: 16 November 2008 at 4:14am
I wish I had a .50 to fire too. My mom owns a lot of property near Fort Bliss, and when the chopper pilots fly back from the range they sweep the spent cases and links out the open doors. They also sweep out large numbers of unfired rounds, sometimes entire belts. All this stuff falls onto my mom's ranch, and she pick it up whenever she finds it. She's got a couple thousand rounds sitting in the feed shed now, and many of them are tracers. It would be a shame to see them got to waste. ------------- For I will wander to and fro, I'll go where I no one do know, |
Posted By: clownshooter
Date Posted: 16 November 2008 at 8:53am
| That's the only problem I see with owning a 50. I considered buying one but had to stop and think where was I going to shoot it? My friend has a farm, but the longest distance he has clear is about 400 yds. Of course they are expensive to feed too. |
Posted By: merc
Date Posted: 16 November 2008 at 9:17am
between the price of brass (scrap) and the price of .50BMG ammo and the rarity of linked ammo, it sounds to me like you could sell the shells, links, ammo, and scrap for more than what a .50BMG would cost... even if you dont buy a barrett there are a few other companies that make 50 cal bolt action rifles. sell some of what you have and buy the rifle then wait for the heavens to deliver you more ammo... edit: i wonder what sort of liability issues there would be with having a belt of 50 call ammo land on someone after being tossed out of a helicopter. ------------- saving the world, one warship at a time. |
Posted By: ShortyBP
Date Posted: 16 November 2008 at 11:05am
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Wow.
Yeah, your mom's shed has a good chunk of cash in it! Dollars from heaven! 
I still have 4 sealed battlepacks of the South African M193. I'm hoarding it for two possible scenarios: 1) Zombie invasion 2) Price goes up again, to sell it and get cash to buy components. I still don't know why the South African 5.56 is so popular? It's a great load... but while it's brass cased, it's berdan primed. Rendering it useless for reloading here in the states. |
Posted By: merc
Date Posted: 16 November 2008 at 11:37am
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silly question... what is the shelf life for modern ammunition? ------------- saving the world, one warship at a time. |
Posted By: ShortyBP
Date Posted: 16 November 2008 at 11:42am
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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 16 November 2008 at 5:41pm
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Just don't expect the same to be said of old Paki or Indian ammo from the middle part of the last century. That stuff hang-fires like a <insert expletive here>.
I had some Paki .303/.308 (can't remember which) hang fire on me so badly that I started counting the full 60 seconds you're supposed to and it fired my count of 58. Half of the box was like firing black-powder. "*Click*, one, two, *BOOM!!!*" ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 16 November 2008 at 5:52pm
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That sounds safe. Hangfires FTL. ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: WUNgUN
Date Posted: 16 November 2008 at 7:23pm
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I mentioned this in my firearm thread, my uncle told me
it went up $30 in a week. ------------- [IMG]http://hometown.aol.com/hlwrangler/myhomepage/revised5_copy.jpg"> ""...the Marines we have there now could crush the city and be done with business in four days."--LtGen Conway on Fallujah |
Posted By: JohnnyHopper
Date Posted: 16 November 2008 at 9:29pm
That just plain rules, and now I hate you ;) You have a sweet racket there that will out pace most investments. ------------- My shoes of peace have steel toes. |
Posted By: IMPULS3.
Date Posted: 16 November 2008 at 9:56pm
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My boss picked up 10,000 of 54R a few years back, for only $1,000. Granted it's wolf, you can't go wrong. ------------- 
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Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 17 November 2008 at 6:36pm
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55 grain Wolf = $8.99 a box of 20 as of Saturday. RCBS reloading kit is on the way...
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Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 17 November 2008 at 7:40pm
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55 grain Wolf = $8.99 a box of 20 as of Saturday. RCBS reloading kit is on the way...
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Posted By: Ford
Date Posted: 17 November 2008 at 7:48pm
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My dad does buy the ammo, but he will also say that 9mm is cheap, it is when compared to other stuff. And the NATO .223 was dirt cheap as well.
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Posted By: .636
Date Posted: 17 November 2008 at 9:08pm
NATO 223? Its called 5.56 NATO... ------------- |
Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 17 November 2008 at 9:09pm
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5.56 NATO is the same as 223, so he was probably confused.
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Posted By: .636
Date Posted: 17 November 2008 at 9:10pm
Its similar... not exactly the same ------------- |
Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 17 November 2008 at 9:14pm
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A gun chambered for one will fire the other. -------------
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Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 17 November 2008 at 9:18pm
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Posted By: .636
Date Posted: 17 November 2008 at 9:21pm
5.56 will fire .223 .223 should not fire 5.56 due to pressure differences and headspace issues. .223 wyld chamber helps with the head space issue though. the pressure difference is just like 308 and 7.62 nato. Except with 30 cal is backwards. 308 can fire 7.62X51 but 7.62 should not fire 308 since 308 is a higher pressure round. ------------- |
Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 17 November 2008 at 9:25pm
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This is why ammo is stupid. Everyone should just fire 6 pound cannon balls. ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 17 November 2008 at 9:26pm
I agree on this 100%. -------------
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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 17 November 2008 at 9:31pm
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Anyone who bought guns or ammo, you can thank Obama, you probably just doubled your value with this bit of news:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/nov/17/hillary-clinton-secretary-of-state - H. Clinton to accept position as Sec. of State. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: ammolord
Date Posted: 17 November 2008 at 9:41pm
------------- PSN Tag: AmmoLord XBL: xXAmmoLordXx ~Minister of Tinkering With Things That Go "BOOM!"(AKA Minister of Munitions)~ |
Posted By: adrenalinejunky
Date Posted: 17 November 2008 at 9:53pm
crap... now i'm buying a gun too.... i do not trust that woman. |
Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 17 November 2008 at 10:38pm
I was...  *Goes to garage to make cannon* Crap, what happened to my garage? Must have left it in Jersey. ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: Project Irene
Date Posted: 18 November 2008 at 9:13am
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Posted By: ShortyBP
Date Posted: 18 November 2008 at 7:39pm
Did you go with a Rockchucker? That's the route I took. Rockchucker kit, Lee dies, Lyman tumbler, yada yada. When you finally get everything you need... you'll have to ask yourself "and I bought all this to SAVE money?!"
I have so much stuff I need to add to my inventory in regards to components (and component costs have risen as much as ammo has)... but I bought so much in the past month that it'll take me until the 2nd week of February to catch up financially. 
Just need a few more thousand 9 and 45 projectiles, and a couple more thousand primers and I achieve status to where I don't care what they ban... I'll have all I need. (Unless they ban smokeless powder, in which case I'm screwed... since I cannot safely store enough for a "lifetime" supply. Currently my "powder storage" aka... old college beer fridge... is stuffed with 40lbs)
When it costs $3.20 to load a single sidearm magazine, and $12.00 to load an AR mag (at current prices)... that is NOT a cheap day at the range. Not for the average working Joe, at least.
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Posted By: ThatGuitarGuy
Date Posted: 18 November 2008 at 7:46pm
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Bowling balls then. Buy them at yard sales, thrift stores, consignment shops and the like for cheap.
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Posted By: ShortyBP
Date Posted: 18 November 2008 at 7:48pm
I'll need a larger bore cannon. |
Posted By: .636
Date Posted: 18 November 2008 at 7:51pm
Build one from an old oxygen tank. Perfect diameter for them, search bowling ball cannon on youtube ------------- |
Posted By: ammolord
Date Posted: 18 November 2008 at 7:55pm
 ------------- PSN Tag: AmmoLord XBL: xXAmmoLordXx ~Minister of Tinkering With Things That Go "BOOM!"(AKA Minister of Munitions)~ |
Posted By: ThatGuitarGuy
Date Posted: 18 November 2008 at 8:00pm
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Ahh...I knew I had seen the http://www.docsmachine.com/nonPB/mortar.html - bowling ball mortar before, just couldn't remember where.
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Posted By: adrenalinejunky
Date Posted: 18 November 2008 at 8:03pm
| what ever happened to good old fasioned potato cannons? |
Posted By: adrenalinejunky
Date Posted: 18 November 2008 at 8:06pm
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ok, never mind that...
http://www.instructables.com/id/Potato_Cannon_Test_of_My_Biggest_Cannon_Shooting_8/ - http://www.instructables.com/id/Potato_Cannon_Test_of_My_Big gest_Cannon_Shooting_8/ |
Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 18 November 2008 at 9:04pm
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Shorty, here is one of 3 that I am reloading for, I try to keep the brass from this seperate form my other 2 AR's. I am going for the RCBS starter kit with a .223 and .30 cal. dies.  ------------- Innocence proves nothing FUAC!!!!! |
Posted By: Ford
Date Posted: 18 November 2008 at 9:09pm
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Badassery, bowling ball cannon, take a air tank or something, cut in half, fill bottom with powder, put bowling ball into canister, light and watch it go flying.
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