new project *update* 12/26
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Topic: new project *update* 12/26
Posted By: ammolord
Subject: new project *update* 12/26
Date Posted: 01 December 2008 at 5:41pm
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well, i figured that since id be in the house alot this winter, id give myself sompthing to do.
its a '99 autocoker i picked up from a buddy of mine for $10. it dosent work so i figured id put a pump kit and a new bolt on it to save some paint. anny thoughts/ideas of other things i should to to it? ------------- PSN Tag: AmmoLord XBL: xXAmmoLordXx ~Minister of Tinkering With Things That Go "BOOM!"(AKA Minister of Munitions)~ |
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 01 December 2008 at 6:48pm
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If you can find an inexpensive/decent barrel kit I would recommend that as well. "Roll-outs" are really annoying with a pump.
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Posted By: sinisterNorth
Date Posted: 01 December 2008 at 6:48pm
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I <3 Snipers.
Should make for a nice pump. Just throw a WGP kit on it and you'll be set. That's a nice frame on it. |
Posted By: ammolord
Date Posted: 01 December 2008 at 7:38pm
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i dont think roll outs will be much of an issue. im going to keep the detents in it. im thinking about using the stock mini barrel on it. the frame is stock. ------------- PSN Tag: AmmoLord XBL: xXAmmoLordXx ~Minister of Tinkering With Things That Go "BOOM!"(AKA Minister of Munitions)~ |
Posted By: QcXf
Date Posted: 01 December 2008 at 8:11pm
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Detents do not only stop double feeding, the reason to have a barrel kit is because the bolt pushes the ball into the barrel past the detents. Having a kit prevents it by stopping the ball just like detents. http://www.zdspb.com/media/tech/animations/autococker2.gif - Here is an animation of what it does... Edit: or you could just give it to me... |
Posted By: Yomillio
Date Posted: 01 December 2008 at 9:07pm
Yeah, most closed bolt systems (including the common Autococker) push the ball past the detent before firing. One solution to this problem would be a barrel kit, or the Python compression kit, which if you haven't seen before basically turns your stock barrel into something of a 3 piece barrel, like the SP Freak kit. A cheap fix is putting a piece of tape a bit way up the barrel, or a very small dab of fingernail polish or similar. ------------- 
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ammolord wrote:Posted By: ctchofday
Date Posted: 01 December 2008 at 9:24pm
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haha... he obviously doesnt know what he's doing.. "detents will stop the roll out" hahaha He doesnt know how to fix it, so he's gonna pump it... tsk tsk tsk Anyway... it'll be real simple to fix the current problem i bet you. but since you've already decided to pump it, as everyone else has said, throw a .686 or smaller bore barrel on it, to stop the ball from rolling out once the bolt is let forward. I use a .685 CP.. work nicely and shoots very very straight Lose the red dot and steel braid. Swap out the valve for a Power Valve or Rat Valve (if you can find them), a Madmann spring kit and use all green as it will up the consistency and make it easier to pump. Unless you plan on using Co2, get a different regulator: CP, Dye, AKA, whatever.... Roller sear if it doesnt already have one, and an all delron or POM bolt wouldnt hurt. Pump kit: i say get one that has a return spring and a guide so you cant twist the pump. Edit: I'll take that Rock reg off your hands? ------------- Xbl:PhantomReign97 
'99 Snpr II, ½d Karni, E-Orracle, 2k4 Spstk, 2k5 Prstk, PMR SE, A5, 98 |
Posted By: thejudge
Date Posted: 01 December 2008 at 11:36pm
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I like the J&J kit for it personally. Thats what I have on my trilogy and it works nicely. Plus I can stop the roll outs no matter what pant without it being too small of a bore. ------------- Stay low, run fast, and hope that paintball doesn't hit your... http://www.deltasquad.info/"> 
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Posted By: ammolord
Date Posted: 02 December 2008 at 4:51pm
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 03 December 2008 at 1:12am
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I love WGP kits, but twisting is annoying. To me, they may not be the smoothest, but their huge pump handle is the most comfortable. If there was a way to reduce pump twist... ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: ammolord
Date Posted: 03 December 2008 at 6:18pm
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ya, i was looking at the one with the return spring. those are pretty expensive. il probably save that for later and work on gettin the rest of the parts first. ------------- PSN Tag: AmmoLord XBL: xXAmmoLordXx ~Minister of Tinkering With Things That Go "BOOM!"(AKA Minister of Munitions)~ |
Posted By: ctchofday
Date Posted: 04 December 2008 at 12:10am
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you can waste just as much paint with a pump as with any other gun... but eh ------------- Xbl:PhantomReign97
'99 Snpr II, ½d Karni, E-Orracle, 2k4 Spstk, 2k5 Prstk, PMR SE, A5, 98 |
Posted By: QcXf
Date Posted: 04 December 2008 at 1:44pm
| I dont waste half as much paint. |
Posted By: ammolord
Date Posted: 04 December 2008 at 4:36pm
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ya, i use atleast 4 cases a weekend and its startin to be alot. ------------- PSN Tag: AmmoLord XBL: xXAmmoLordXx ~Minister of Tinkering With Things That Go "BOOM!"(AKA Minister of Munitions)~ |
Posted By: QcXf
Date Posted: 04 December 2008 at 10:47pm
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That is wayyyy excessive man. You need to learn how to shoot if you shoot that much in 1 or 2 days. I shoot about a bag of paint maybe when I play pump and maybe a case when playing a tournament. |
Posted By: ammolord
Date Posted: 05 December 2008 at 5:36pm
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i can shoot, i just play alot. you saw the mini at the NG tourny. ------------- PSN Tag: AmmoLord XBL: xXAmmoLordXx ~Minister of Tinkering With Things That Go "BOOM!"(AKA Minister of Munitions)~ |
Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 05 December 2008 at 6:04pm
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I feel like I should throw this out there. If you have any 'cocker-related questions, feel free to toss me a PM. I can help with Snipers too. :) ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: QcXf
Date Posted: 05 December 2008 at 7:48pm
| Haha.. Yeah I saw you mini... Did we beat you guys with pumps? |
Posted By: kurieitaa
Date Posted: 05 December 2008 at 8:03pm
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nice gun, but one thing with cockers, once you start to tinker with them, you might start doing an overhaul and pimp it out, next thing you know your broke and have a sweet gun when it's over.
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Posted By: ammolord
Date Posted: 05 December 2008 at 8:15pm
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trev, il probably have to send ya a few PM's. this is the first time iv ever worked on a cocker. ------------- PSN Tag: AmmoLord XBL: xXAmmoLordXx ~Minister of Tinkering With Things That Go "BOOM!"(AKA Minister of Munitions)~ |
Posted By: QcXf
Date Posted: 05 December 2008 at 11:21pm
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No... I am positive we played you... and beat you... I will edit my post once I confirm with Casey that it was with pumps...We also gave you OUR air because their fill station broke. |
Posted By: ammolord
Date Posted: 06 December 2008 at 10:34am
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**edit** can annyone link me to a decent pump kit and bolt that wont break the bank?? thats what im gunna look into for now. ------------- PSN Tag: AmmoLord XBL: xXAmmoLordXx ~Minister of Tinkering With Things That Go "BOOM!"(AKA Minister of Munitions)~ |
Posted By: QcXf
Date Posted: 06 December 2008 at 2:07pm
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I was on the team that won... Casey was on my team... http://www.teamhooptie.com/ - Cheap pump kit (I dont know how good they are) http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?t=2021460 - Or look at a Vendetta basic kit ($40) or CCM economy kit($45). |
Posted By: ammolord
Date Posted: 06 December 2008 at 2:27pm
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i dont remember if we did or not. do you know where i could get that CCM economy kit at?? i was looking on ebay and they had one for $77. ------------- PSN Tag: AmmoLord XBL: xXAmmoLordXx ~Minister of Tinkering With Things That Go "BOOM!"(AKA Minister of Munitions)~ |
Posted By: QcXf
Date Posted: 06 December 2008 at 4:02pm
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The one for 70 is the deluxe kit. Which is probably the best kit on the market. I have one on my pump and it is like butter. http://www.google.com/products?q=ccm+economy+pump+kit&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&sa=X&oi=product_result_group&resnum=1&ct=title - Google is your friend Edit:What is wrong with your stock bolt? Edit #2: confirmed rape with pumps.... Edit#3: Never mind the economy kit is just for cockers 2k+ so it is Vendetta or Hooptie. |
Posted By: ammolord
Date Posted: 06 December 2008 at 4:08pm
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ok, i guess we did play ya. bolt is scratched up. it looks like someone dident use anny lube on it and shot it like that for some time. il take a pic when i get back. ------------- PSN Tag: AmmoLord XBL: xXAmmoLordXx ~Minister of Tinkering With Things That Go "BOOM!"(AKA Minister of Munitions)~ |
Posted By: QcXf
Date Posted: 06 December 2008 at 4:24pm
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http://www.pumpenstein.com/wordpress/?cat=7 - Here is also a review of all the pump kits. I read all kinds of reviews and stuff before buying my CCM Deluxe kit. Keep in mind you need to find one for 99 cockers... |
Posted By: ammolord
Date Posted: 06 December 2008 at 4:25pm
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ya, idk. i dont need to much to get it working, its just expensive stuff. ------------- PSN Tag: AmmoLord XBL: xXAmmoLordXx ~Minister of Tinkering With Things That Go "BOOM!"(AKA Minister of Munitions)~ |
Posted By: QcXf
Date Posted: 06 December 2008 at 4:28pm
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$20 bucks for a pump kit and 10 dollars for a cocker isnt that much... Also looking at your picture it looks like your bolt is an after market quick release bolt.... |
Posted By: ammolord
Date Posted: 06 December 2008 at 4:36pm
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ya, the bolts a quick release. and i dont get what your saying, $20 for a pump kit?? where do you see that?? edit: empty your PM box. ------------- PSN Tag: AmmoLord XBL: xXAmmoLordXx ~Minister of Tinkering With Things That Go "BOOM!"(AKA Minister of Munitions)~ |
Posted By: QcXf
Date Posted: 06 December 2008 at 4:44pm
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Sorry Hoopties used to be 20 when I last checked.. looks like they went up to 35.. If that is the case I would say spend a few more bucks and get the Vendetta. Wait PmP industries does have a 99 kit and they are nice too only problem is you would have to e-mail them and see if they still carry it. PM Box is empty now. |
Posted By: ammolord
Date Posted: 06 December 2008 at 10:38pm
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ok. ya, im thining il just get the CCM kit and call it good. i got it to cock and shoot, so il basicly have to wait till i get enough to get it. hopefully it wont be long. ------------- PSN Tag: AmmoLord XBL: xXAmmoLordXx ~Minister of Tinkering With Things That Go "BOOM!"(AKA Minister of Munitions)~ |
Posted By: QcXf
Date Posted: 06 December 2008 at 10:51pm
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Which CCM kit?? |
Posted By: ammolord
Date Posted: 07 December 2008 at 12:14am
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econo. eather that or il try to make one. ------------- PSN Tag: AmmoLord XBL: xXAmmoLordXx ~Minister of Tinkering With Things That Go "BOOM!"(AKA Minister of Munitions)~ |
Posted By: QcXf
Date Posted: 07 December 2008 at 1:25am
| You have to email CCM than because they only sell 2k+ economy kits on the net... and good luck making your own... |
Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 07 December 2008 at 1:46am
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Okay, you've got a problem here. If you wanted to get into 'cockers, a pre 2K may not have been the best choice to start off with. 'Cockers are divided into two generations, pre 2K and post 2K. In 2000, WGP changed the dimensions of there 'cockers. Everything was still compatible, except for the front blocks, front block screws (the banjo bolt) and the bolt. The back block was made smaller, so pre 2K bolts are longer. Also, post 2K 'cockers had their valve chamber enlarged, meaning the banjo bolt was made bigger. If you get a post 2K pump kit, it WILL NOT FIT the pre 2K 'cocker you've got. Good luck... ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: ammolord
Date Posted: 07 December 2008 at 3:40pm
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ya, i figured when i bought it it would be hard to find parts for. im going to do some digging and see if i can find one. at this point i dont realy care if it new or used. i figure i can reuse the bolt. its not to bad, just needs some love. i tore it down last night and everything else looks like its in good shape. ------------- PSN Tag: AmmoLord XBL: xXAmmoLordXx ~Minister of Tinkering With Things That Go "BOOM!"(AKA Minister of Munitions)~ |
Posted By: ammolord
Date Posted: 26 December 2008 at 7:38pm
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sorry for the double post. got the kit in today. got in installed easily in five min.
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Posted By: sinisterNorth
Date Posted: 26 December 2008 at 11:45pm
The matte black is a little much. 
But in all seriousness, it's looking good. You should buy a feed tube and get it mounted. I HATE having to use elbows... |
Posted By: ammolord
Date Posted: 27 December 2008 at 12:25pm
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ya, i need to do somptihning about it. it sticks out alittle farther than i want it to. ------------- PSN Tag: AmmoLord XBL: xXAmmoLordXx ~Minister of Tinkering With Things That Go "BOOM!"(AKA Minister of Munitions)~ |
Posted By: sinisterNorth
Date Posted: 27 December 2008 at 2:12pm
| Take it off. Tap the body. And mount a Phantom 10rd feed tube on it. |
Posted By: ammolord
Date Posted: 27 December 2008 at 5:03pm
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ya, thats probably what il do next time im bored. ------------- PSN Tag: AmmoLord XBL: xXAmmoLordXx ~Minister of Tinkering With Things That Go "BOOM!"(AKA Minister of Munitions)~ |