What do you think?
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Topic: What do you think?
Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Subject: What do you think?
Date Posted: 13 December 2008 at 8:23pm
| Some people are trying so hard to be politcally correct these years that some people have the urge to say Holiday so they don't "offend" anyone. |
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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 13 December 2008 at 8:25pm
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Don't think I really care..
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 13 December 2008 at 8:25pm
| It's a christmas tree. I understand Happy Holidays, but the tree itself is a Christmas tree. |
Posted By: BARREL BREAK
Date Posted: 13 December 2008 at 8:27pm
| It's kind of annoying having people wish me a happy holiday I don't celebrate, but whatever. |
Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 13 December 2008 at 8:29pm
| its a christmas tree. unless they want to start calling it a holiday menorah. |
Posted By: Sangreti
Date Posted: 13 December 2008 at 8:31pm
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Christmas ------------- ~square peg~ |
Posted By: scotchyscotch
Date Posted: 13 December 2008 at 8:41pm
| it's not anything to do with any other religion other than christianity so whatever the christians say is right. |
Posted By: hoginds24
Date Posted: 13 December 2008 at 9:17pm
| Its a 'christian' tradition. Its a Christmas tree. |
Posted By: Monk
Date Posted: 13 December 2008 at 9:19pm
| Have a happy monochromatic nondenominational holiday. |
Posted By: Tolgak
Date Posted: 13 December 2008 at 9:39pm
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It's a pagan tradition hijacked by Christians. A westoleyopartyandwipedyouout tree. ------------- 
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Posted By: heliumman77
Date Posted: 13 December 2008 at 10:10pm
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To be politically correct it's a Christmas tree, I can understand saying happy holidays instead of merry Christmas to someone but changing the names of things is just stupid. Politically correct means nothing theses days.
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Posted By: sporx
Date Posted: 13 December 2008 at 10:17pm
correct, therefore it must be referred to as "Pagan Tree"... that should piss someone off.  ------------- 
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Tolgak wrote:Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 14 December 2008 at 1:26am
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The religious holiday Christmas has nothing to do with trees. Therefore its a damn Christmas tree and if people complain than they need to die. ------------- Que pasa? 
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Posted By: Zata
Date Posted: 14 December 2008 at 1:32am
| Who the hell called it a holiday tree? |
Posted By: ctchofday
Date Posted: 14 December 2008 at 1:54am
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i probably shouldnt even open up my mouth, as i know its been said many times before and a bit naive, but why is it only christians who are in the wrong for expressing their beliefs? i dont follow any religion and i still find it stupid that its alright for everyone else to express a religion but Shiva forbid the christians praise some jesus and associated holidays? Christmas, Kwanza, Hanukkah... all holidays, but its bad to say Merry Christmas because it has 'Christ' in it... Its disrespectful to others they say. Its disrepectful to have Freedom of Religion? Ha, it reminds me of the day I was "attacked" by 3 christians in my driveway. I about hit the floor when the guy flat out told me Everyone else is wrong. I was like DUDE? anyway... thats not even relevant i guess whatever... /rant ------------- Xbl:PhantomReign97 
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Posted By: Destruction
Date Posted: 14 December 2008 at 3:20am
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Xmas tree ------------- u dont know what to do ur getting mottor boatted Men are from Magmar, women are from Venusaur. |
Posted By: mbro
Date Posted: 14 December 2008 at 3:47am
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Happy gravity day. ------------- 
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Posted By: bishopisback
Date Posted: 14 December 2008 at 4:19am
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Posted By: unvolution
Date Posted: 14 December 2008 at 4:28am
| im going to click the i dont care box |
Posted By: Tolgak
Date Posted: 14 December 2008 at 8:29am
Why is it wrong NOT to say "merry Christmas" if you don't care for the holiday? Nobody in government is forcing businesses to say holiday instead of Christmas. NOBODY. There are no laws, rules, edicts, declarations, or mandates by any governing authority about it. In fact, politicians that do force the issue, are generally in favor of holidays that Christians celebrate. Businesses replace Christmas with holiday so that the non-Christians feel less out of place (thus making them more likely to shop at their stores). It is a rare thing for a Christian to care enough not to shop at a store for the same replacement so it is only in their benefit to have this policy. PEOPLE replace Christmas with holiday because *guess what?* NOT EVERYBODY IS FREAKIN' CHRISTIAN Don't get all pissy if someone doesn't say "you too" after a "merry Christmas" greeting. It's likely that he doesn't celebrate it. The reason no non-christian uses their own holiday in the greeting... because the people crying out about the "War on Christmas" make the non-Christians feel rude about the greetings of their own holidays. Christians, quit acting as if you're some oppressed minority because 25 of out 100 people don't care for a holiday you celebrate that has its origins in religions you now see as Satanic. All others, carry on as usual. Dismal Festivus everybody. -------------
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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 14 December 2008 at 9:52am
This is what he's talking about. Some of you people treat Christians as though they were ignorant children. We KNOW that not everyone is Christian, yet you need to understand not all Christians are the extreme ones that drive people nuts- yet you like to cram their religion back down their OWN throats like its some kind of poison. It's a Christmas tree. Regardless of where it originated, it's become a widely accepted Christian tradition. I call the menorah what it is even though I'm not Jewish. Regardless of the religion you belong to, it is what it is. ------------- ? |
Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 14 December 2008 at 10:06am
exactly. otherwise a menorah would just be a holiday candle. |
Posted By: Tolgak
Date Posted: 14 December 2008 at 10:53am
I was not responding to the tree. In today's culture it's a Christmas tree and there's no arguing that. I'm talking about the ridiculous defensive action you take when someone says "happy holidays" instead of "merry Christmas." That's not shoving religion back down others' throats. That's saying "I don't know what you are, so I'm including every possibility in my greeting." -------------
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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 14 December 2008 at 10:59am
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My remark was more of a response to the general display of disdain for Christianity that I've seen around here.
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 14 December 2008 at 11:31am
I have no problem with people who say "Happy Holidays" to me. If that is what they are comfortable with; so be it. I do have a problem with the people who expect me to alter my response to suit them. ------------- 
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 14 December 2008 at 12:00pm
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It is a Christmas tree.
However I like the idea of "Happy Holidays!" being used as a greeting over something specific. This whole "War on Christmas" thing is a buzzword ratings ploy from O'Reilly/Hannity types who, unless they can play the victim card, are pretty much worthless. |
Posted By: JohnnyCanuck
Date Posted: 14 December 2008 at 2:04pm
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When my kid was in kindergarten, there were 4 parents who threatened to pull their kids out of school if they didn't change the name of, 'Christmas Concert' to 'Winter Festival'.
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Posted By: scotchyscotch
Date Posted: 14 December 2008 at 2:41pm
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This thread comes round every year. TBH "Happy Holidays" isn't used much over here seems like an american thing to me. Although i know that sainsbury's (major supermarket chain) were not going to put any decorations up last year. It took the staff with a petition to say they wanted the usual decorations to be put up. f you were to go to countries like italy france or alot of other European countries where religion is important to the majority of the population then you wouldn't have a chance of getting them to change anything. On the other hand it's gotten to a stage where chrimbo has been so commersialised that non christians can't get a way from it. It's only polite to wish them seasons greetings. |
Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 14 December 2008 at 3:28pm
Out of nowhere one year when I was a kid, a group of parents tried to shut down the concert because it was called the 'Christmas Concert' After that got ironed out, a group of the hardcore christian parents got pissed off because we were singing "Imagine" and there was the "Imagine there's no heaven" line. We just couldn't please anyone. But, I will say this, my school now is one of the only ones that still have a Christmas tree right inside of the front entrance of the building. ------------- ? |
Posted By: Zata
Date Posted: 14 December 2008 at 3:37pm
| People need to stop being such sensitive little you know whats and just move on with their lives and their beliefs and ignore whatever they consider wrong. They call this country a giant mixing pot or something like that, people need to realize its not just a name but a way of life here. |
Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 14 December 2008 at 6:33pm
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I have to agree with Zata on this. I don't remember a right to "not be offended" in the constitution. If somebody goes through their entire life and the most offensive thing said to them is either "Happy Holidays" or "Merry Christmas," then they've had it pretty good.* *And they obviously never met me. -------------
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Posted By: Captain Falcon
Date Posted: 14 December 2008 at 7:59pm
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There really isn't a problem in saying happy holidays, or Merry Christmas. It's just those EXTREME CHRISTIANS FOR THE LORD DEAR JESUS, that rage about anything that has nothing related to jesus or Christianity in any way. |
Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 17 December 2008 at 3:12am
And by that vein, I'm not bloody Muslim so they should stop putting up "Eid Mubarak" signs during Ramadan to not offend me. Its only fair. It should change to "Mubarak this month". It is a Christian Holiday, yes. I'm not denying that. But to not offend those people who aren't Christian many shopping centers no longer have Christmas themes, but "holiday" ones. Then the other religious holidays should also be suppressed like that for equality. I'm also not Hundi so take down all the Duvali signs, I'm not a Jew so please take down all the Passover and such signs. Or, if you are going to do those, put the Christmas ones back up. Equality doesn't mean suppressing one and raising the others, it means celebrating all equally. KBK |
Posted By: adrenalinejunky
Date Posted: 17 December 2008 at 9:18am
wow, somebody definately woke up on the wrong side of the bed. that all might make sense - if it were really even entirely a christian holiday anymore. i know tons of people who are not christian who celebrate it, its become an american holiday. sure, there is a christian significance behind it, but as pointed out, there is also a pagan significance behind it, and also, there is a cultural significance behind it. trying to forget these other to points to it is honestly absurd. seriously, when you think christmas, is the first thing you think of the birth of christ, or gifts and santa claus and black friday? its a commercial and american institution. some people choose not to celebrate it, that is fine, but personally, if i was say, in canada, during their new year, i wouldn't get all pissy about it because it wasn't a holiday i celibrated - they are having fun, good for them, what the hell does it matter anyway? people are way too uptight. |
Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 17 December 2008 at 9:27am
| wait...canadians don't have new years on dec. 31? |
Posted By: adrenalinejunky
Date Posted: 17 December 2008 at 9:46am
i was thinking chinese new year or canadian independence day and i managed to combine them into something that makes absolutely not sense :) i think i might need to sleep more. |
Posted By: Bruce Banner
Date Posted: 17 December 2008 at 10:09am
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Followed by...
... made me laugh. Way to answer your own question. But try expressing a Scientology viewpoint on the internet and see what happens. Or express a Muslim viewpoint in a classroom in the rural South (or, heck, even just Roman Catholic). And God forbid anybody should publicly admit to being atheist. What was one of the main attacks against Obama? His alleged Muslim faith. "Muslim" is apparently an insult around here. And Elizabeth Dole tried to paint her opponent as an atheist. Both smear victims had to come out and loudly proclaim their Christian faith to survive the campaigns. I can turn on my TV at any time, and there are at least three channels dedicated to Christian programming - often consisting of attacks on non-Christian viewpoints. I have yet to see a single Muslim TV program on network TV or cable, let alone one that attacks Christianity. There is the occasional Jewish or Buddhist programming, but it is very gentle and mild. The only "anti-Christian" programming you will see on TV comes from comedians on comedy shows, and usually deep into the subscription channels - e.g., Bill Maher on HBO. That said - I will certainly admit to a fair amount of Christian-bashing in one specific context: The anonymous internet. Here, Fark, 4chan - Christian-bashing and lots of it. But what does that tell you? It only reinforces my point, that Christian-bashing is not socially acceptable. There is a large pent-up demand for Christian-bashing, which finds its outlet on the anonymous internet.
And as to the original question - it's a Christmas tree. You would have to be a complete tool to call it a holiday tree. ------------- Waste and excess are not conservative family values http://www.nytimes.com/ref/opinion/07opclassic.html - Nature is not a liberal plot http://pickensplan.com - A Good Energy Plan |
Posted By: Tolgak
Date Posted: 17 December 2008 at 10:34am
It's not about feeling offended or anything. The same people that get all pissy that we now have "holidays" instead of just "Christmas" are the same people who get mad at the non-Christians who say happy holidays. I get this feeling by some those around me that I HAVE to say "Merry Christmas" in their presence lest they get into some ridiculous rant as if there's some national vendetta against Christianity. You just went on now about Christmas signs getting taken down, when I still see them all over the place in a city that includes all holidays in it's business advertising instead of just Christmas. Like I said, it's not about people being offended. An all inclusive message will get more shoppers and more money. A more extreme situation that may better illustrate my point is this. Let's say at ToysRUs stores in suburban areas there are signs that say "Welcome to all who own automobiles" in the front of the stores on a large banner. It changes nothing for the majority of shoppers, who own cars; but for those who don't, it makes them feel somewhat different when they first walk through the doors (usually not enough to sway anybody). Now imagine if the stores changed their banners to say "Welcome to all who rode a vehicle to get here", and many of the people who drive cars started to complain about the loss of the sign that acknowledged them specifically. They complain exactly the way that you are now; "STORES ARE SILENCING THE CAR DRIVING POPULATION!!!" How pretentious does that sound... to complain because a store wanted to acknowledge almost everybody instead of a majority segment of a population? To argue against an all-inclusive message like "Happy Holidays", and to complain even when non-Christians don't say "Merry Christmas" sounds to me like the wingnuts want to silence all others in their twisted view of equality. -------------
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 17 December 2008 at 10:49am
This is the mindset that mouth-breathers like Bill O'Reilly have perpetuated. Why not think of it as being inclusive? Being nice? Being kind towards your fellow man? |
Posted By: adrenalinejunky
Date Posted: 17 December 2008 at 11:19am
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Posted By: Tolgak
Date Posted: 17 December 2008 at 11:21am
Because clearly the only way to be inclusive and nice is to convert people to True ChristianityTM . It's the only way to get to Heaven, you know. -------------
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 17 December 2008 at 3:00pm
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I think its stupid on all fronts. Christians stole the tradition, it has nothing to do with christmas and has no symbolism with the jesus birth story. So don't get offended when people try to take away the name of your tree, because its not your tree and it has no real sybolism behind it. On the other hand, as an atheist, I can honestly say, christmas, christmas trees, rain deer, and a fat old man who breaks into your home on a yearly basis, do not offend me. So long as no one is shoving any beliefs down my throat, who cares! Let em call it whatever they want. I doubt mainstream athiests even came up with the term holiday tree, it was probly some liberal idiot. So if it doesn't actually offend anyone... whats the point? |
Posted By: Styro Folme
Date Posted: 17 December 2008 at 3:13pm
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What's Christmas? Oh, you mean x-mas.
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Posted By: PaiNTbALLfReNzY
Date Posted: 17 December 2008 at 3:25pm
| As long as I get presents, people can call it whatever they want. |
Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 17 December 2008 at 8:34pm
When you really think about it, the above statement comes across as pretty hypocritical. -------------
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Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 18 December 2008 at 1:28am
Except the other religions get their days named. Like I said you get signs showing how shopping centers celebrate Eid, Duvali, Passover and such. Equality means equal. Take those signs down or make them "all inclusive" as well. I get the advertising thing. However all over the world people are doing stupid things to appease Muslims, at the expense of Christianity. Now I'm not a bible thumper, I only have tenuous connections to Christianity (I'm fairly well against any organized religion) but why remove the Christianity aspect of CHRISTmas? Remove all the other religious conotations from other holidays and I'll be happy. Or let everyone celebrate theirs. KBK |