To all you Canadians...
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Topic: To all you Canadians...
Posted By: __sneaky__
Subject: To all you Canadians...
Date Posted: 22 January 2009 at 1:48pm
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I'm writing a paper for school about healthcare systems. And I figured I'd ask you guys what you think of the Canadian system and what you think the pro's and con's are.
Thank ya much
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 22 January 2009 at 2:39pm
| I love it. We were discussing this in chat yesterday actually. The pros are huge, the fact that I can mangle my arms somehow, go to a hospital and be fixed right up without handing over a penny. I'd hate to be bleeding at the reception and be turned down because I dont have insurance, or its not covered, or because my credit card is maxed out. In terms of cons people in the states like to insist that theres long lineups but personally I have never experienced that in my many hospital visits. |
Posted By: NiQ-Toto
Date Posted: 22 January 2009 at 2:49pm
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Being an american, im dumb and uninformed. But here are some downfalls as i can see them:
-Higher taxes, the people are paying for the system right? This isnt really a big deal to me because we already get taxed out the butt anyway. Some would consider it a huge burden though. -The lines for procedures (not ER visits). I think that the wait times people refer to are not time from getting to ER to time getting treated in ER but rather time that you need surgery vs time you actually can get scheduled for a surgery. Again, i know it will depend on the procedure and the time of year and a million other mitigating factors, but there could end up being a long wait. Or you could get your surgery the day you go in for it. It all depends as far as i can see. -Less money in the medical field? Hospitals making less money leads to doctors, nurses, administrators and other employees salaries dropping. Could lead to less desire to get into that field, or to go to school and move out of the country to a more lucrative one. Honestly, i just made this stuff up off the top of my head, but i think it could make sense. Need to hear from a real live canadian to back up or refute anything ive written though. Good luck. ------------- ///AMG What? |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 22 January 2009 at 3:04pm
| Niq, those are valid points, but personally I am fine with our taxes, especially if its going to healthcare, as I know its something I can and will use, consistantly. Again, I haven't dealt with the lines, so I cant really comment much more on that I suppose. And for less money, originally doctors feared that socialized healthcare would ruin them, but now most agree its the best thing to happen to healthcare here. And yeah, there are some docs who just want the boats n' hoes, and they find a way. |
Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Date Posted: 22 January 2009 at 3:33pm
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Actually low salary is what made my mom (an RN) move us to the U.S. She was promised a pension and didn't get one. Now that she works in the U.S. she has never had to work a night-shift. The pay is a bit better here too. BUT, since some retards screwed up the economy, they got rid of the pension at the surgery centre that she works at. So It doesn't matter much if we move back |
Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 23 January 2009 at 1:54pm
| Anybody else got anything for me? |
Posted By: Zata
Date Posted: 23 January 2009 at 2:11pm
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I'm American, and I always heard that anything in the medical field = job security. Not true, the hospital that I work at is one of the only ones in Michigan that hasn't done lay offs yet. Due to people losing their job (and their insurance) they aren't as likely to go the hospital. Now, if the US had a system similar to Canada's, I wouldn't be worrying about losing my job. |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 23 January 2009 at 4:44pm
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-Taxes: Better to pay a bit of extra taxes than the bills to treat something like cancer. -Lines: Though the lines for the er are probably actually better in Canada from what I hear, I believe you are generally correct about lines for procedures. I haven't experienced this myself. -Money: Still just as desirable to get in though some do leave the country. Not sure about the ratios of our doctors leaving vs yours. ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 23 January 2009 at 4:46pm
| i know a few people who were going to become doctors and when obama got into office they quit pre-med to do something where they'll make more money. im not agreeing or disagreeing with it, but thats what happened |
Posted By: Tical3.0
Date Posted: 23 January 2009 at 11:26pm
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Love it. Broke my elbow and was in and out in 40 minutes. ------------- I ♣ hippies. |
Posted By: JohnnyHopper
Date Posted: 24 January 2009 at 10:01am
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1118605/Pensioner-died-agony-doctors-TWICE-failed-spot-broken-back.html - England has a great system too. ------------- My shoes of peace have steel toes. |
Posted By: little devil
Date Posted: 24 January 2009 at 11:18am
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It's pretty good. One time I cut my finger to the bone, waited 4 or so hours before even being in the room to get stiches.
Another time, I put my handle bar into my leg, Showed the lady at the desk while she was taking my info and not even 30 minutes later i was stiched up and ready to go.
it all depends on the urgency.
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Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 24 January 2009 at 11:25am
thats what scares me. if you cut your finger to the bone, and wait a few hours it could get pretty badly infected...i guess theres a list of some sort that says whats more important than other things though |
little devil wrote:Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 24 January 2009 at 11:30am
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It really wouldn't get too badly infected in a few hours....
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Posted By: little devil
Date Posted: 24 January 2009 at 11:30am
| yeah, when they take down the info they will help clean you and and put somthing on to clean it out while you wait. |
Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 24 January 2009 at 11:41am
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ah. thats cool. id still rather not wait 4 hours though, that sucks. and jmac- i've seen some pretty nasty things getting sliced on the meat/cheese slicer at the deli that i cut my finger on...i don't trust any of it. |
Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 25 January 2009 at 4:03pm
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 25 January 2009 at 4:53pm
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Posted By: You Wont See Me
Date Posted: 25 January 2009 at 5:54pm
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I actually had a class about healthcare taught by a canadian, and he said the wait times for some procedures in Canada are 6 months to a year long and he knows people that come to the states just to get their surgeries so they can get it done quickly.
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Posted By: JohnnyHopper
Date Posted: 25 January 2009 at 6:07pm
Because the doctors that are employed by the government are the best?I'd rather have a doctor that puts a little more effort into their job than say a DMV drone. The whole pay for performance thing makes a difference. ------------- My shoes of peace have steel toes. |
Posted By: adrenalinejunky
Date Posted: 25 January 2009 at 6:10pm
i agree. fact of the matter is, people do often do things for the money. whether or not this is retarded makes absolutely no impact on the fact that its true. |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 25 January 2009 at 6:26pm
| I'd rather have a doctor thats in it to be a doctor, not for the money. And comparing it to a DMV drone? Come on Johnny that's a bunk comparison, any joe can be a DMV drone, being a doctor isn't exactly a job you see in the classifieds. |
Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 25 January 2009 at 9:30pm
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 25 January 2009 at 10:06pm
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Chances are you don't want those people to be your doctor anyways...
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Posted By: JohnnyHopper
Date Posted: 25 January 2009 at 10:54pm
It is in England. It's gotten so bad that they import doctors fom the middle east. The better ones don't try to blow themselves up, so I guess it's win win ;) The point is too many gubment employees are lazy skinbags who know full well that they can't get fired for doing a bad job and they only move up a pay grade by biding their time. That is fine for the TSA or the IRS but it's different when the same dolts are sewing sponges into you or cutting off the wrong thingamajig. ------------- My shoes of peace have steel toes. |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 25 January 2009 at 11:25pm
And yet somehow having a system where you can't afford a competent doctor, reduces the risks of stomach-scissors? |
Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 25 January 2009 at 11:42pm
And there are alot of people who cant afford rediculous hospital/doctor prices. People around here are scared out of their mind of calling a friggen ambulance because it costs so much.
When price jeaprodizes health, something is wrong.
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 25 January 2009 at 11:47pm
Exactly. And sadly GTAIV radio made a great point. The Healthcare Industry is the problem...its an industry. |