Truck problem.
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Topic: Truck problem.
Posted By: agentwhale007
Subject: Truck problem.
Date Posted: 16 February 2009 at 11:47pm
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So, I have Googled this a bit, but I figured I would try here and see what the automotive minds have to say. My truck, a 2000 Ford Ranger with a manual transmission, is having the following problems: About a month ago, it began making a scratching noise whenever I had the clutch pressed down and the shifter was in first while at idle. Once I got into about second gear, the sound stopped. The sound would also stop if I put the shifter in neutral and took my foot off the clutch. This happened in cold weather, and seemed to stop once it warmed up. I thought it had to do with the cold, but now it seems I might have been wrong. I recently returned from a trip to Tallahassee, about 500 miles round-trip. Once returning, as in once I got off the Interstate and got back down to shifting speeds, it got REALLY hard to get into first gear when I am stopped. By that, I mean I have to muscle the shifter stick into position. Something under the truck makes a loud THUNK once I finally muscle the shifter into gear, followed by a scratching/screeching noise that will continue until I get to about 35 miles per hour or third gear, depending on which comes first. After third, the gears shift clean. Also, if I hit a speedbump or pothole, the screeching sound will return temporarily. On top of all that, once I muscle the shifter stick into place, it has a tendency to shimmy and shake a lot. Any guesses? |
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Posted By: .636
Date Posted: 16 February 2009 at 11:56pm
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Screeching sound when you put the clutch down could be the release bearing. But it goes away in different gears so it might not be. Hard to get into first could be a worn synchro since they are just thin brass spacers that slow the next gear down. Go take it to a mechanic and ask him to have a listen to the noises. ------------- |
Posted By: Eville
Date Posted: 16 February 2009 at 11:59pm
| did you check the flux-capacitor? honestly though, no idea. My extremely amateur guess is that your synchros may be going bad. probably something with the clutch as well. most likely the capacitor though. I would start there first. |
Posted By: chronic future
Date Posted: 17 February 2009 at 12:00am
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Sounds like parts of the clutch are starting to go, maybe a throw out bearing or pressure plate? Either way it sounds like its going to be a pain to repair as you need to drop the transmission to get at the clutch assembly. |
Posted By: ctchofday
Date Posted: 17 February 2009 at 12:27am
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im gonna go with .636 and say the synchronizers may be going bad, best to have a mechanic check it out to make sure.
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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 17 February 2009 at 12:30am
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Sorry I don't have any advice as I know very little about vehicles. Does anyone still have that MS Paint drawing of whale's truck that newport made back in the day?
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Posted By: JohnnyCanuck
Date Posted: 17 February 2009 at 1:37am
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it's not clutch/throw out bearing or pressure plate, or you'd notice it in every gear, I think 636 is right, the synchro is mashed. You could drain the oil and I'm guessing you'll see lots of lovely filings in the oil but if you are on a budget, it's not the end of the world, I drove my jeep for 3 years with 1st gear synchro's shot, double clutching helps, hitting it at the right revs, you'll get a feel for it and it pops right in.
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Posted By: BearClaw
Date Posted: 17 February 2009 at 6:30pm
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Sounds like ya sycros are toasted. I AM a mechanic but without feeling/hearing the damage making a guess is pretty hard. IF ya match the rpms perfect (like shifting without a clutch you should be ok). But bassically it means you need a trans rebuild. Good news is a 5 speed is bone simple to work with and you could fesibly get another 5 speed from a scrapers for cheap and do a quick swap. ------------- AGD 68 Automag Azodin KPII Sheridan PGP2K Tippmann Crossover XVR Tippmann ProCarbine Tippmann SL68-II Tippmann TiPX |
Posted By: IMPULS3.
Date Posted: 17 February 2009 at 6:36pm
| It's a ford. ( How has anyone not said this yet) |
Posted By: TinMan
Date Posted: 17 February 2009 at 7:09pm
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From your description I'm caught between two diagnosis.
I'll post the two symptoms and you can decide which is the best
fit, though they both end up in the same labour charges.
(1) Clutch release bearing. (throw out bearing)
Can hiss or sqeal at an idle with the clutch out.
Can cause difficulty moving shifter from neutral to 1st/reverse
Gets worse or louder as you depress clutch pedal
Replace clutch and release bearing.
(2)Crankshaft pilot bearing
Pilot bearings can squeal quite loudly when clutch is depressed
and transmission is in 1st at a stop.
Will cause difficulty engaging gears.
Pilot bearings always go quiet once the clutch pedal is released
Replace pilot bearing
The release bearing (throw out bearing) almost always damages the
fingers of the pressure plate, that's why a new clutch is usually required.
My guess is you just need a clutch, pressure plate, and release bearing.
I'm a licenced mechanic with too many years specializing in transmissions
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Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 17 February 2009 at 7:11pm
Because it is dumb. ------------- Que pasa? 
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IMPULS3. wrote:Posted By: .636
Date Posted: 17 February 2009 at 7:31pm
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Imho best thing to do right now whale is listen. Have somone push the clutch down while you listen under the vehicle and tell us if its coming from the Transmission its self or the bell housing that connects the tranny to the engine. If its inside the bell housing then its going to be a throw out bearing, pressure plate or as mentioned above the pilot bearing. throw out bearings make an awful noise when they let go. I blew mine up in december and it made one hell of a noise. Its in about 19 peices on my garage wall right now. If its coming from the transmission then you know its something serious and will need to drop some money into it. ------------- |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 17 February 2009 at 8:53pm
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Here's a thought, if it's a synchro going bad, would double-clutching eliminate the issue as it would give the gears a chance to synchronize without the need of the synchro itself?
Although, looking at tin-man's post, it may be the pilot bearing on the crankshaft. The symptoms fit the best with that one. Oh, and if the pilot bearing on the shaft goes, you wind up needing a whole new tranny. Happened on my subie back in the day. Mind you, the subie still ran and shifted.... weird I know... ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: Rambino
Date Posted: 17 February 2009 at 9:00pm
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I suddenly realized that for once we have an advice-requested post on a subject where T&O might actually be a decent place to get help.
Shocking.
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Posted By: .636
Date Posted: 17 February 2009 at 10:07pm
Not necessarily, all depends on how the input shaft looks. if its not worn out of specs he can get away with a new pilot bearing. if the shaft its worn quite a bit there is a possibility of getting a over sized bearing or a new input shaft for the trans. And I cant see how a thrashed pilot bearing would = needing a new tranny. Sounds a little hokey ------------- |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 18 February 2009 at 1:08am
When my old car was built, some idiot packed the pilot bearing for the propeller (crank) shaft in grease rather than tranny fluid. It seized up and broke the shaft and stripped all of 3rd gear's teeth right off. They had to replace the whole tranny after that one. It was only 1k into the warranty as well, so it was free in my case. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: procarbinefreak
Date Posted: 18 February 2009 at 1:12am
| lol tranny |
Posted By: JohnnyCanuck
Date Posted: 18 February 2009 at 1:24am
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clutch and pressure plate either work or they don't work, I stand by my original assessment; synchros. the only time I've seen clutches work sporadically is when they are hydraulic assist and the fluid is low.
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 18 February 2009 at 9:20am
| I think this synchros deal sounds like the best bet, because after reading what synchros do, I realized that when muscling the shifter into place, it often will make the grinding "too fast to be in this gear" noise, even when idling. |
Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 18 February 2009 at 9:25am
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We speed-holed a dump truck today. *That* is a truck problem. ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: JohnnyHopper
Date Posted: 18 February 2009 at 9:49am
<begin storytime chant> ------------- My shoes of peace have steel toes. |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 18 February 2009 at 10:15am
like I said, try double-clutching between gears and see if it makes it any easier to put into gear. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 18 February 2009 at 2:15pm
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The problem isn't happening at all today. I really wish it would just break or be fixed so I would know how much I need to pay or not. |
Posted By: slackerr26
Date Posted: 18 February 2009 at 2:18pm
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call ford (357, horsepower, etc) ------------- 
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Posted By: .636
Date Posted: 18 February 2009 at 6:44pm
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Just put the parking brake on and go to the passenger side and try and repeatedly kick it into first. somethings bound to brake eventually. Get it fixed before it get too worse and breaks on the worst time possible ------------- |
Posted By: JohnnyCanuck
Date Posted: 18 February 2009 at 7:19pm
you put a lot of stock in someone who helped his dad rebuild 1car and had a part time job changing oil. ------------- Imagine there’s a picture of your favourite thing here. |
Posted By: .636
Date Posted: 18 February 2009 at 7:38pm
Hes a mechanic remember  I mean what I meant was a lube technician ------------- |
Posted By: the_blade
Date Posted: 18 February 2009 at 9:45pm
no a throw out bearing can be noisy in certain gears and not in others
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Posted By: .636
Date Posted: 18 February 2009 at 9:50pm
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He has a rwd truck not a FWD car. There is no cables on his shift linkage.
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Posted By: JohnnyCanuck
Date Posted: 18 February 2009 at 9:58pm
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Posted By: ShortyBP
Date Posted: 18 February 2009 at 10:42pm
Absolutely. Storytime is a must! |
Posted By: slackerr26
Date Posted: 18 February 2009 at 11:12pm
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Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 18 February 2009 at 11:20pm
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I'll be honest everyone who posted before me has no clue what's wrong with your truck. The poor little guy is just sick. I would be too if my stock was at 1.67 a share. Just keep him warm, and make sure he doesn't spend hours at a time staring at stock tickers. Give him a few billion dollars and keep him home from school. In a few years he'll be as good as new. ------------- 
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Posted By: .636
Date Posted: 19 February 2009 at 12:03am
Liberal peace loving let the world take care of it sack of crap ------------- |
Posted By: PAINT&STUFF
Date Posted: 19 February 2009 at 12:10am
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How many miles dose the trany have on it??? its probly the clutch
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 19 February 2009 at 12:54pm
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It has 119k miles. Pretty high for a 2000. |
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 19 February 2009 at 12:59pm
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clutch. ------------- They tremble at my name... 
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Posted By: new jersey
Date Posted: 19 February 2009 at 1:26pm
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Anyone else suprised Whale drives a Ford Truck?
119k is kinda high, but not the end of the world.
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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 19 February 2009 at 1:28pm
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I'm sure its a 2wd... ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: PaiNTbALLfReNzY
Date Posted: 19 February 2009 at 1:30pm
| Did you check to see if the compressor manifold was compatible with the flux capacitor? |
Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 19 February 2009 at 1:36pm
I would estimate that more that 75 percent of people who own 4wd vehicles don't actually need or use the 4wd capabilities.
Not the first time that's been said. I've never really understood the shock. |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 19 February 2009 at 1:46pm
You just seem too smart to own a ford... that's all... ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 19 February 2009 at 1:56pm
It just happened to be for sale by a family friend when I needed a vehicle. I didn't actively seek out a Ford, but hey, it was $2,000 when I got it in 2006, which was half-off the Kelly Blue Book price at the time. Ironically, my next vehicle is going to be a 2005 Chevy Trailblazer, about equal in American quality. |
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 19 February 2009 at 1:58pm
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<watch it> ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 19 February 2009 at 3:52pm
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Posted By: IMPULS3.
Date Posted: 19 February 2009 at 3:55pm
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Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 19 February 2009 at 3:59pm
Implying homosexuality??? ------------- Innocence proves nothing FUAC!!!!! |
Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 27 February 2009 at 8:01pm
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So, took it in this afternoon. And survey says that it was not just one thing, but a series of things wrong: The gear synchros are heavily worn on one side (The rough shifting with the stick), the flywheel bearing is in pretty rough shape (The god-awful screeching noise), and the pilot bearing is thoroughly broken (overall thunking noise) Everyone who guessed those things can get a cookie. The family mechanic will fix it for a few hundred, which is nice. I just wish these things would wait and break after economic recessions. |
Posted By: chronic future
Date Posted: 27 February 2009 at 8:07pm
| glad to hear you got it all worked out, and your local family mechanic def saved you ton of money, congrats |
Posted By: ThatGuitarGuy
Date Posted: 27 February 2009 at 8:17pm
Damn. I was coming into the post to say the same thing. My suggestion until you can get it fixed, don't use 1st gear. It's completely possible. I promise. ------------- Skillet: I've never been terribly fond of the look of a vagina |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 27 February 2009 at 9:00pm
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A couple hundred for all of that isn't bad at all! Heck, most places that would just cover the labor involved. Mind you, RWD is always cheaper to work on since it usually doesn't require lifting the engine to drop the transmission. Small-shop mechanics are the way to go with virtually anything. The local Mazda dealership wanted 1700 to fix my clutch. My local shop used genuine mazdaspeed parts and did it for 1100. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: TinMan
Date Posted: 27 February 2009 at 9:25pm
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Yes, give my cookie to your mechanic, that's a great deal. |
Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 27 February 2009 at 11:14pm
I'm sure that he would normally charge more to any other customer, but the guy has been working on my family's cars since my great-grandma's '83 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight. The grizzled old guy never really talks more than just telling you what is wrong with your car, and is always smoking a Camel Wide, no matter what sort of flammability risk might be involved. He also helps run the county greyhound rescue organization, so he always has a greyhound running and playing in the fenced in back area. He works the lights at the local playhouse too. It's the only time you will ever see him cleaned up. |
Posted By: JohnnyCanuck
Date Posted: 28 February 2009 at 3:11am
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nice to have mechanic friends in the family.
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Posted By: Eville
Date Posted: 28 February 2009 at 11:53am
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i hate when shops try to dick you out of money. one shop was going to charge me 7-800 to refinish the corner of my bumper where someone backed into me. I took it to a smaller shop and he gave me a 300 estimate and only charged me 250. 200 for transmission labor is a hell of a deal. |
Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 28 February 2009 at 6:41pm
It ended up being $400, but it was still one hell of a deal to drop a transmission out and replace three parts. Also he made the mysterious "check engine" glitch go away. |
Posted By: .636
Date Posted: 28 February 2009 at 9:48pm
Its more work than you seem to think. The syncros are inside your transmission itself so he had to take out all the gears and replace all the little brass disks. If you have ever taken apart a tranny... its quite alot of work, theres alot of moving stuff and bearings and seals and crap. And a bit of my experience. Mack transmissions SUCK to rebuild. Stupid triangular trannys ------------- |
Posted By: BearClaw
Date Posted: 28 February 2009 at 10:56pm
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Yeah the tri shaft setup is kinda fun to work with but from what i scean with (ony have three macks in the fleet and only two with mack trans) they hold to geather pretty good.
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Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 28 February 2009 at 11:06pm
I think you read his post opposite of what he meant. ------------- Que pasa?
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Posted By: .636
Date Posted: 01 March 2009 at 12:32am
He said three things. Flywheel bearing, Pilot bearing, and syncros ------------- |
Posted By: Eville
Date Posted: 01 March 2009 at 2:17am
| 636, learn to read |
Posted By: .636
Date Posted: 01 March 2009 at 2:34am
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I missworded my first post. Its a better deal than he thinks, considering the syncro replacement is one hell of a time consuming job I knew he got it fixed, and that it was only 400 dollars. just making sure he knew how good of a deal that really is considering the time involved ------------- |
Posted By: Eville
Date Posted: 01 March 2009 at 2:39am
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"one hell of a deal" yeah, id say he got it |
Posted By: IMPULS3.
Date Posted: 01 March 2009 at 3:35am
You know how to fix that check engine light, right? It's called a piece of tape. |
Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 01 March 2009 at 9:03am
Facepalm.jpg ------------- Que pasa?
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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 01 March 2009 at 9:16am
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The check engine light was probably a transmission code being thrown from all the problems you were having. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 01 March 2009 at 11:30am
Nah, it's been on since September of '06. I've had it looked at by nearly three different mechanics. General consensus: computer glitch. |
Posted By: new jersey
Date Posted: 01 March 2009 at 4:32pm
| I'd be tempted to give him $500 to be nice |
Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 12 May 2009 at 4:44pm
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So, months later I FINALLY brought it in to get fixed. I was going to do it a while ago, but I didn't have four or five days to spare without a vehicle. It's been busy, to say the least. Total cost was $735 for new pilot bearing, throwout bearing, synchros, slave cylinder and input shaft. Now my clutch peddle is really springy. I've slowly gotten so used to having it squishy from everything being broken, that it feels like I am learning how to drive a manual all over again. But hurrah! No more grinding noises, wearing my shoulder out getting it into gear, or squishy peddles! |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 12 May 2009 at 5:11pm
Huzzah! Just in time to get it ready to drive to the DC metro area in 2 months! ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 12 May 2009 at 7:00pm
And then hopefully, maybe, fingers crossed, living in the DC metro area. Well, at least living in Virginia. DC and Maryland are pricey. |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 12 May 2009 at 7:05pm
Truth! MD sucks anyway. They tax you like nobody's business and then prevent you from exercising multiple constitutionally guaranteed freedoms. So does DC come to think of it. Virginia is nice though. Fewer ghettos, nicer scenery. Lower crime and tax rates. Food's better over here too. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: .636
Date Posted: 12 May 2009 at 7:51pm
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You drove it around for a few months with all that broken stuff? your lucky you did not damage more stuff
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