Cyclone feed blender problem need help
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Topic: Cyclone feed blender problem need help
Posted By: Robby_of_PBH
Subject: Cyclone feed blender problem need help
Date Posted: 21 February 2009 at 4:15pm
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Alright, I've been having this problem for a little while and absolutely CANNOT figure out why it's happening now. My fully upgraded cyclone feed is chopping paintball's like there's no tomorrow. But I've checked and messed with just about everything.. I even lowered my BPS on my RT down to about 10 and it's still consistantly chops. It fires about 7 or so paintballs then EVERYTIME it will chop before long. I absolutely cannot play like this, it's loading my barrel full of paint and of course is a major problem. I feel I know my way around a paintball gun and the cyclone feed pretty good too, here is everything I checked. The cyclone feed still chops after about 7 or so shots even when I... 1. Lowered my bps to around 10. 2. Returned my super RT to stock RT status. 3. Checked my ball detent to make sure balls were getting held in. 4. Swapped out the hammer and spring for lighter/harder spring to check for skipping or burping. 5. Tried different paint. 6. Tried different environments/temperatures. 7. Swapped out the techT upgrades for the stock parts. 8. Different barrels (although it chops before even entering the barrel) 9. Tried reducing and allowing more or less air to flow to the cyclone feed. 10. Assured that the banjo fittings were at the most optimized angle for air flow. 11. Put teflon tape on the fittings 12. Bought specific grease for the cyclone feed. 13. Tried a lighter AND stronger spring for inside the cyclone ratchet. 14. Tested a full hopper vs a near empty hopper 15. Changed my velocity screw to various amounts -And a note, my response trigger is firing great, so the outer hose must be getting enough air. I think the next thing I'm going to test is putting it on another 98, although that still probably will not fix the problem. Any help would be awesome.
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Posted By: Yomillio
Date Posted: 22 February 2009 at 3:19pm
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Strange that its still occuring with the stock Cyclone parts installed. Did the chopping begin after installing a certain upgrade or making a different change? Also, do you have squishy paddles for it? Those may help, but it'd only put a bandage over the problem really. ------------- 
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Posted By: Robby_of_PBH
Date Posted: 22 February 2009 at 3:22pm
| Well I seem to recall the problem happening a little while back to think about it. I remember having to recock the gun itself alot, now however it seems to be chopping. That's probably the issue due to me putting in the Zero Kick hammer and adding in a stronger spring, so instead of getting caught it just chops. The spring and hammer are not at all the problem though. Already tested removing both and adding in the stock ones, still did the same thing. I've messed with it for hours today and am going to go back to working on it here in a bit. HOPEFULLY, I'll get some answes to what it is. |
Posted By: Yomillio
Date Posted: 22 February 2009 at 3:40pm
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Yeah, the hammer would have caused the recocking issues. The only thing I can really think of is the ratchet being worn-out (which it shouldn't be, if you have the TechT one) or having something installed improperly. You're positive everythings been put back together properly? I don't mean to insult your intellegence, but thats really the only thing I can think of. Are your Cyclone / powertube hoses free of debris and/or blockages? -------------
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Posted By: Robby_of_PBH
Date Posted: 22 February 2009 at 4:56pm
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Just got back from testing and trying some more things, still NO luck. Well it can't be the ratchet because both the stock one and techT one are fine, as they are from what I can see too, nothing wrong with em at all. I just got done swapping power tubes in hopes that that would SOMEHOW (I'm rpetty desperate) resolve the problem, of course it did nothing. The housing has nothing in it, I swapped it with the stock one as well. THe tubes have nothing in them, I swapped them AND the fitting with new fittings also, still had the problem. I do believe it is on correctly, I took pictures just incase. I'll feel like the biggest retard in the world after hours and hours of messing with this, if I have something installed wrong... If I can't figure this out I'm goign to consider buying a new gun/cyclone feed. I wonder if tippmann can doa nything about it. The worst part though is that I see NOTHING wrong. I don't feelt he cyclone feed is all that complex, so even if I bought a new one, why should it work and my current one not?? Makes no sense! AHH!! Anyway here are some pics, I appreciate your help alot.      |
Posted By: Yomillio
Date Posted: 22 February 2009 at 6:21pm
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I don't know. Everything looks pretty much right, I wish I could help you out. Its pretty strange.
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Posted By: Robby_of_PBH
Date Posted: 22 February 2009 at 6:57pm
| Do you think a new cyclone feed or a new gun would make any difference? This really straight up sucks, the worst part being it makes no sense. The RT and cyclone at the same time wouldn't hurt anything would it? I mean my RT is running like a beast, no problem, and I know they're made to work together so that shouldn't be a problem, I've seen people doing it on youtube anyway, works fine for them. All I know is if I have to order a new gun and cyclone feed and still have the problem, I'm going to one ticked SOB. Anyway thanks for your help dude, anything else would help too, or if anyone else knows anything. |
Posted By: Yomillio
Date Posted: 22 February 2009 at 7:17pm
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Yeah, wait for someone else to comment. I know about Cyclones, but I'm far from an expert with them. If it was running fine before with the RT and Cyclone together, you should be fine. I would imagine a new Cyclone would take care of it, but in my opinion it shouldn't go that far. I'd wait for someone else's help or even call Tippmann and see if they can do anything. I wish I could help you out more, but it seems really random and strange, especially since you've done so much with changeing back parts and everything. Have you cleaned out your valve lately? Long shot, but who knows. Also, is your ball latch properly in place? -------------
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Posted By: Robby_of_PBH
Date Posted: 22 February 2009 at 7:44pm
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Alright, I'll wait a day or so, contact Tippmann (if they can doa nything) and hopefully some other people knows if somethings up. I wish these forums were a little more active, but ah well. Yes, there was a time it was running correctly, but now that I recall, I used to have to recock it a bit like I said, something you shouldn't have to do with a cyclone feed. So I think it's been kinda going down hill I guess. Cleaned the valve out? Do you mean the main valve the CO2 runs though? If so I haven't exactly cleaned it out, but it seems to be operating efficiently. I have an expansion chamber, so I tried taking that and off and rerouted the CO2 straight into the chamber, so that didn't call for any hoses, it still hapenned like that too. Yes, my ball latch is in proper place too. Hmm.. I'd hope too that I new cyclone feed would do the job, although I don't know why it would because everything on my current cyclone feed is pretty much in perfect condition. Although I guess nothing makes sense to me with it right now, so who knows, maybe a new one would work perfectly fine.  The one right now shoots, it's just when I let out a burt.. SHOT, SHOT, SHOT, SHOT, SHOT BREAK... That's how it goes EVERYTIME. =/
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Posted By: Yomillio
Date Posted: 22 February 2009 at 8:23pm
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Yeah, the CVX valve thats in the powertube. Especially since you're running CO2, it might be dirty. Its worth a look, check out how to take it apart http://model98.org/modifications/9539.php? - http://model98.org/manuals/cvx.php - here . If you're up to it, its worth a shot.
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Posted By: Robby_of_PBH
Date Posted: 22 February 2009 at 9:27pm
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Oh yea that part. Yea I took that part apart today too.. =/ That dang snap O-ring is a pain to get off. I made sure I had no leaks, and put teflon on just about every part that needed it too on all the hoses, thinking that maybe my problem was a small leak allowing me only to have several shots before the air pressure got low, turned out it wasn't that either. Here's a short video clip of my gun suckin' today. Keep in mind that I've lowered my fire rate to around 10BPS, the problem still occurs, just a takes a few more shots or so till it chops. ..I've got about 15 of these videos all with the same thing occuring. It's also not the cold, I was only outside for literally a minute so that's not really enough time for the cold tot ake effect ont he paintballs or CO2. Besides, I've tried it in my house numbers of times now, exact same thing happens. I've also tried different CO2 cans. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wl3iLkWfJNo - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wl3iLkWfJNo
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Posted By: K Hop
Date Posted: 22 February 2009 at 9:49pm
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Something similar happened to me. My A-5 was working fine with no upgrades except a barrel and a few other non-performance parts. I also had an r/t. It worked fine for about 2 days of play then my cyclone turned into a blender. I wasn't chopping them, but blending them, then trying to shoot them. I gave up nd never bothered to post about it. Though I had a few ideas of how to fix it but never tried. Try firing slowly at first then gradually increasing the rate of fire. Disconnect the air line to the cyclone and manually advance the cyclone before each shot firing slowly. Disconnect the air to the r/t and fire slowly at first and increase your rate of fire without the r/t aiding you. Be sure to plug the other hole going to the cyclone or the r/t when doing those two. Those I thought may help find where the problem lies and make it easier to fix. EDIT: Also be sure that the cyclone feeder's output for the paint balls is lined up well with the breach on the 98. (I'm not exactly sure how the 98 cyclone works) |
Posted By: Robby_of_PBH
Date Posted: 22 February 2009 at 9:55pm
| Alright thanks. I'm not sure if those will quite work but I'll see. Well I may have said it wrong, as far as what I think, I don't think my cyclone feed itself is actually blending the paintballs like a blender for say, but I think it's chopping like a slow hopper would when trying to keep up with a fast gun. I tried lowering and raising the rate of fire on my RT, it shoots ok going slow around 5bps or so, once I get up to any bit about 8bps+ it will chop at some point. I could try taking the RT off, but it probably won't happen seeing as I can't put a mechanical trigger by myself that fast. If I had an egrip to test it with that would be a good idea, although I don't have one. |
Posted By: K Hop
Date Posted: 23 February 2009 at 3:30pm
| I can get my machanical trigger on my 98 up to 8 bps. but it chops. |
Posted By: Robby_of_PBH
Date Posted: 24 February 2009 at 10:16am
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Yea I'm not sure. I called Tippmann and the guy said I should just send it in. I think I'ma gonna do that, I'm excited to see what will happen it, if they'll be able to fix it and what will have been the problem. Hopefully they don't send it back and it still happens. Oh yea, but they had really nice customer service by the way, the guy was real nice and he said it's usually free of cost and only takes around 1 or 2 days at the most. That's pretty crazy fast. So yea, absolutely could NOT figure out the problem, so we'll see what Tippmann can do.
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Posted By: Bruce Banner
Date Posted: 24 February 2009 at 11:37am
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Sending it in is of course a good choice. Otherwise, you might try swapping out the Cyclone entirely. Just put a stock off the shelf Cyclone on the gun for error-checking purposes. That should narrow it down rather significantly.
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Posted By: Robby_of_PBH
Date Posted: 24 February 2009 at 12:01pm
| That's what I was thinking of, swapping the entire cyclone feed, although my one I have now seems to be in perfect condition, so it wouldn't make sense. Anyway the guy on the phone sad to just send it in and it's possibly free, so I'll see what they can do, hopefully they let me know what was wrong and it works. |
Posted By: Yomillio
Date Posted: 24 February 2009 at 2:47pm
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Yeah, Tippmann has amazing customer service. They'll help you out.
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Posted By: Robby_of_PBH
Date Posted: 03 March 2009 at 12:44pm
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So Tippmann ended up calling me back. The guy said he couldn't get it to stop chopping balls. So he said he swapped it out with the Anti-Chop bolt. I asked him and I guess that would mean he swapped the entire gun out! I don't really know but I guess we'll see. He said it worked with the new anti-chop bolt, but in my opinion that doesn't directly address the issue, seems more of a band-aid for the problem, but I guess if it means no chopping than that's alright. But now one of my problems may be still using my Zero Kick Hammer once I get the gun back in the mail. I guess we'll see how it goes. ...I still wonder what the damn problem was/is. I dunno, I'll see.
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Posted By: paintballplaya7
Date Posted: 05 March 2009 at 4:47am
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it looks like your paddles may not be lined up correctly. i believe the breach is supposed to be open when the cyclone is cocked on the 98. i'll check and let you know today ------------- *Custom Pro *Cyclone feed *X7 hopper *M16 Carry Handle *BT 16 Apex Barrel *Car Stock *remote *camo paint job *Single point sling *JT Full Coverage Camo *realtree RAP4 vest |