Subsidizing bad behavior?
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Topic: Subsidizing bad behavior?
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Subject: Subsidizing bad behavior?
Date Posted: 23 February 2009 at 11:22am
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Ee probably thinks this is a thread about his "mod" behavior.
But, no.
This is about Obama's latest venture. Taking money from the 92 percent of American mortgage holders and giving it to the 8 percent who are defaulting... tarp 2 in other words.
Of course it is sad to lose a house. I remember when my parents house was put on the auction block as a kid. Traumatic stuff...
But, they didn't pay their bills... The Bible is clear. "If you don't work, you don't eat."
I guess Obama's pastor missed that part... When he was focusing on other things...
But, today, we are entering a new place in America. One where we reward the people who don't follow the rules. Government has been living with different standards for years, its only fitting that they bring others into the fold.
We give to people who live above their means, and spend more than they bring in. Then the people who follow the rules, get penalized. And forget the people that actually own these notes... Those legal contracts can now be changed by the courts... Thats good for future business...
Great article on the issue.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/29299591 - http://www.cnbc.com/id/29299591
Is this right or wrong? ------------- They tremble at my name... 
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Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 23 February 2009 at 11:26am
| Old. We had this discussion last week. Except we left out the irrelevant Bible crap. |
Posted By: Eville
Date Posted: 23 February 2009 at 11:28am
| separation of church and state etc, |
Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 23 February 2009 at 11:53am
The Bible is clear on a lot of things, like:
So how is that compound with the big TV treating you? |
FreeEnterprise wrote:Posted By: Destruction
Date Posted: 23 February 2009 at 11:58am
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Snap. ------------- u dont know what to do ur getting mottor boatted Men are from Magmar, women are from Venusaur. |
Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 23 February 2009 at 12:03pm
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behave yourself. ------------- "When I grow up I want to marry a rich man and live in a condor next to the beach" -- My 7yr old daughter. |
Posted By: Eville
Date Posted: 23 February 2009 at 12:10pm
Fe just got schooled, though i doubt he will even acknowledge the existence of whales post. |
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 23 February 2009 at 12:17pm
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I'd flame back, but it is clear that the mods will strike my flames. while ignoring others...
So go ahead and pile on. whales was pretty weak, for a journalism major...I would expect much more... ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: Eville
Date Posted: 23 February 2009 at 12:25pm
| that was not a flame. He was simply pointing out your blatant hypocrisy. |
Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 23 February 2009 at 12:25pm
| Guess the fear instilled in us from the Reaper mask is wearing off. |
Posted By: Rambino
Date Posted: 23 February 2009 at 12:28pm
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You are all being childish. Stop it.
That said, there was a fairly lengthy thread on this subject last week. Perhaps the conversation could be continued there: http://www.tippmann.com/forum/wwf77a/forum_posts.asp?TID=180383 - http://www.tippmann.com/forum/wwf77a/forum_posts.asp?TID=180383
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Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 23 February 2009 at 12:33pm
| Great, so now he will taint my religion free thread with Right Wing Christian Hypocrisy. |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 23 February 2009 at 1:42pm
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Using the bible to make decisions pretty much discredits you in my opinion.
Do you condemn eating shellfish, or combining textiles too? What about different crops in one field? |
Posted By: slackerr26
Date Posted: 23 February 2009 at 2:07pm
wrong. food stamps ------------- 
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Posted By: Bruce Banner
Date Posted: 23 February 2009 at 2:26pm
Really? My Bible doesn't say that. Granted I haven't checked all translations, but still...
As to Obama's pastor - maybe he was focused on Proverbs 11, Luke 14, 1 John 3, Acts 20, Psalms 140, Luke 6... the list goes on.
------------- Waste and excess are not conservative family values http://www.nytimes.com/ref/opinion/07opclassic.html - Nature is not a liberal plot http://pickensplan.com - A Good Energy Plan |
Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 23 February 2009 at 2:36pm
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The Bible also says some funny things about a woman and a talking snake.
-------------  irc.esper.net #paintball |
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 23 February 2009 at 2:40pm
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"If a man will not work, he shall not eat." 2 Thessalonians 3:10
Lazy hands make a man poor, but diligent hands bring wealth. Proverbs 10:4
How long will you lie there, you sluggard? When will you get up from your sleep? A little sleep, a little slumber, a little folding of the hands to rest -- and poverty will come on you like a bandit and scarcity like an armed man. Proverbs 6:9-11
Proverbs 111 The Lord hates it when people use scales to cheat others.But he is delighted when people use honest weights. 2 When pride comes, shame follows. But wisdom comes to those who are not proud. 3 Those who do what is right are guided by their honest lives. But those who aren't faithful are destroyed by their trickery. 4 Wealth isn't worth anything when God judges you. But doing what is right saves you from death. 5 The ways of honest people are made straight because they do what is right. But those who do what is wrong are brought down by their own sins. 6 Godly people are saved by doing what is right. But those who aren't faithful are trapped by evil longings. 7 When an evil man dies, his hope dies with him. Everything he expected to gain from his power will be lost. 8 Those who do right are saved from trouble. But trouble comes on those who do wrong. 9 With their words ungodly people destroy their neighbors. But those who do what is right escape because of their knowledge. 10 When those who do right succeed, their city is glad. When those who do wrong die, people shout for joy. 11 The blessing of honest people builds up a city. But the words of sinners destroy it. 12 A person who has no sense makes fun of his neighbor. But a man who has understanding controls his tongue. 13 Those who talk about others tell secrets. But those who can be trusted keep things to themselves. 14 Without the guidance of good leaders a nation falls. But many good advisers can save it. 15 Anyone who puts up money for what someone else owes will certainly suffer. But a person who doesn't agree to pay up for someone else is safe. 16 A woman who has a kind heart gains respect. But men who are not kind gain only wealth. 17 A kind man benefits himself. But a mean person brings trouble on himself. 18 Those who do what is wrong really earn nothing. But those who plant what is right will certainly be rewarded. 19 Right living leads to life. But anyone who runs after evil will die. 20 The Lord hates those whose hearts are twisted. But he is pleased with those who live without blame. 21 You can be sure that sinners will be punished. And you can also be sure that godly people will go free. 22 A beautiful woman who has no sense is like a gold ring in a pig's nose. 23 What godly people long for ends only in what is good. But what sinners hope for ends only in God's anger. 24 Some give freely but get even richer. Others don't give what they should but get even poorer. 25 Anyone who gives a lot will succeed. Anyone who renews others will be renewed. 26 People call down curses on those who store up grain for themselves. But blessing makes those who are willing to sell feel like kings. 27 Anyone who looks for what is good finds favor. But bad things happen to a person who plans to do evil. 28 Those who trust in their riches will fall. But those who do right will be as healthy as a green leaf. 29 Those who bring trouble on their families will receive nothing but wind. And foolish people will serve wise people. 30 The fruit that godly people bear is like a tree of life. And those who lead others to do what is right are wise. 31 Godly people get what they should get on earth. So ungodly people and sinners will certainly get what they should get! ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 23 February 2009 at 2:41pm
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Posted By: Bruce Banner
Date Posted: 23 February 2009 at 2:42pm
Yep - that's what my Bible says too.
------------- Waste and excess are not conservative family values http://www.nytimes.com/ref/opinion/07opclassic.html - Nature is not a liberal plot http://pickensplan.com - A Good Energy Plan |
Posted By: Eville
Date Posted: 23 February 2009 at 2:43pm
Surely i do not need to make it any more obvious... |
Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 23 February 2009 at 2:48pm
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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 23 February 2009 at 2:53pm
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What about "One cannot serve both God and money."? Or however that goes. EDIT: Matthew 6:2424"No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money------------- irc.esper.net #paintball |
Posted By: Hysteria
Date Posted: 23 February 2009 at 3:02pm
That was hardly flaming. You have a ton of land and a ton of toys. You are rich, as you have often boasted. I suggest you start to invest some of that money on trying to figure out how to squeeze a camel through the eye of a needle instead on game systems and gigantic TVs. Also, what does the bible say about braggarts? |
Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 23 February 2009 at 3:03pm
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BIBLE FIGHT!!!
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Posted By: Bruce Banner
Date Posted: 23 February 2009 at 3:04pm
lol - somebody call adrenalinejunky... :) ------------- Waste and excess are not conservative family values http://www.nytimes.com/ref/opinion/07opclassic.html - Nature is not a liberal plot http://pickensplan.com - A Good Energy Plan |
Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 23 February 2009 at 3:07pm
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Just want to say, I understand where you're coming from Whale, but you pulled that verse completely out of context, as most people do.
Jesus was saying it was a hard thing, and possible only with God, for a man to look to God instead of riches.
Bearing in mind that in those days to be rich you were likely born into it, and it was a hard lifestyle to break. Jesus never said a rich man couldn't be saved, and he never said that you had to be poor to go to heaven. That's a huge misquote, right up there with cleanliness being next to godliness, and money being the root of all evil. The Bible never says any of those things. ------------- 
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 23 February 2009 at 3:07pm
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Posted By: PaiNTbALLfReNzY
Date Posted: 23 February 2009 at 3:08pm
| Arguing over religion is like trading guns for tats. Pointless and amusing for the onlookers. |
Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 23 February 2009 at 3:09pm
Nope, Call Susan Storm....  ------------- Innocence proves nothing FUAC!!!!! |
Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 23 February 2009 at 3:11pm
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I'm just pointing out how quoting the Bible in an argument is pretty dumb when you can refute all the same arguments WITH THE SAME BOOK.
------------- irc.esper.net #paintball |
Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 23 February 2009 at 3:11pm
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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 23 February 2009 at 3:13pm
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Oh, I was bragging?
I guess when I posted that my car has 273,000 miles, that was bragging... Or maybe only "rich" people can afford a wii...
It was bruce that said he made $250,000 a year... Not me.
I'm hardly rich... My wife stays home and homeschools my kids (another fact that I've posted on here many times), so we live on only my income, and now that the economy is in the tank, my sales have been pathetic. And my side companies have been slow too... Since they are tied to peoples discretionary spending.
God looks at our hearts, and souls. He is the perfect judge, and even though I am not worthy of heaven, I know that his sacrifice of his son will save me.
His son died for you too. All you have to do is believe in him. ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 23 February 2009 at 3:14pm
Because unfortunately most Bible quotes are pulled out of context, and because most people know nothing about religion / the Bible / the Koran / whatever so they attempt to make fun of the discussion to cover for ignorance. Not just with the Bible, studying or discussing any religion takes time and effort that most people are simply too good to put into it. -------------
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 23 February 2009 at 3:14pm
| Good lord, you're homeschooling your kids? |
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 23 February 2009 at 3:18pm
No, my wife is homeschooling my kids...
Whats wrong with that? ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 23 February 2009 at 3:18pm
| You wouldn't understand anyways. |
Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 23 February 2009 at 3:22pm
I thought only liberals played the victim card? Plus, as pointed out earlier:
I've come to the conclusion that FE does not truly believe most of what he says* and is in fact trolling** in an effort to get even for the treatment of his previous forum persona. *Which is a shame, as I consider myself as leaning towards the conservative side of the political spectrum. While he does sometimes bring up a valid point, his approach to those points makes us all look bad. **Yes, I'm stating the obvious; I like to do that occasionally. ------------- 
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Posted By: Bruce Banner
Date Posted: 23 February 2009 at 3:24pm
I guess my point was simply that you ought to quote the Bible correctly when invoking the Word of God.
------------- Waste and excess are not conservative family values http://www.nytimes.com/ref/opinion/07opclassic.html - Nature is not a liberal plot http://pickensplan.com - A Good Energy Plan |
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 23 February 2009 at 3:28pm
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Naa.
I enjoyed the whole reaper thing, it was fun. You just happened to be the victim of that whole thing, as you were the first to bite... Don't take offense, if it hadn't been you, it would have been someone else.
I also have strong opinions on things. And enjoy arguing them in my downtime, which to me is also fun.
------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 23 February 2009 at 3:28pm
I'm tempted to agree. It's hard to imagine someone being so.....oblivious/ out to lunch. It just seems too intentional. |
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 23 February 2009 at 3:30pm
educate me. ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 23 February 2009 at 3:35pm
You have to be willing to learn, and you've done nothing but prove that you aren't. I'm not bothering. |
Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 23 February 2009 at 3:36pm
http://www.tippmann.com/forum/wwf77a/forum_posts.asp?TID=178115 - LOL 2 CMOHs . -------------
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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 23 February 2009 at 3:51pm
In other words, you realized that you couldn't argue your position... ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 23 February 2009 at 3:53pm
| No theres just no point with you FE, you believe what you want to believe no matter how frequently people prove you wrong, I'm just saving the middle step. |
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 23 February 2009 at 3:55pm
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Show me being proven wrong...
Facts, not opinions. ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 23 February 2009 at 3:57pm
| Exactly FE. |
Posted By: Destruction
Date Posted: 23 February 2009 at 4:02pm
This about sums up the collective forum opinion on you, FE. ------------- u dont know what to do ur getting mottor boatted Men are from Magmar, women are from Venusaur. |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 23 February 2009 at 4:05pm
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I understand and agree. COMPLETELY ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: Bruce Banner
Date Posted: 23 February 2009 at 4:07pm
------------- Waste and excess are not conservative family values http://www.nytimes.com/ref/opinion/07opclassic.html - Nature is not a liberal plot http://pickensplan.com - A Good Energy Plan |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 23 February 2009 at 4:10pm
| And this is where he says he wasn't proven wrong...then we prove him wrong again....rinse, repeat |
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 23 February 2009 at 4:13pm
Yeah, you got me there...
Wow, I feel so "owned"... man, i guess i'll go sit in a corner and cry. ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: Bruce Banner
Date Posted: 23 February 2009 at 4:14pm
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You asked, I answered. ------------- Waste and excess are not conservative family values http://www.nytimes.com/ref/opinion/07opclassic.html - Nature is not a liberal plot http://pickensplan.com - A Good Energy Plan |
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 23 February 2009 at 4:18pm
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So, what are the huge differences between the two statements that make them have two totally different meanings.
As I was pretending that I had a clue what you were talking about... ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: Eville
Date Posted: 23 February 2009 at 4:31pm
| what about the story when jesus fed the people with 3 fish and 40 loaves or whatever? did he make them work for it? no, he just said "hai guys! i brought snackz!" they didnt work, they ate. |
Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 23 February 2009 at 4:46pm
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so, if someones son died, but he died saving 50 people on a sinking boat, should be believe and follow everything he said during his life? after all, he died for other people. and as far as the he who doesn't work won't eat. what if someone is physically incapable of working? or what if their work doesn't allow them to make enough money to eat and who's to say god is a perfect judge? no one's perfect. no one |
Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 23 February 2009 at 4:47pm
I LOL'd. Damn fish mongering hippie.
As for Mack being your "victim", I LOL'd even harder. If I remember correctly, and I do, the only victim was you when you came out looking like a Reaper mask wearing troll, that spent more time complaining about his vagina hurting from being hit by Monster Balls than he did listening to what others were saying. I didn't see Mack changing his web name after the incident.
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Posted By: slackerr26
Date Posted: 23 February 2009 at 7:51pm
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Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 23 February 2009 at 8:24pm
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I don't know who this FreeEnterprise guy is but he smells funny. Someone make him shower.
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Posted By: Evil Elvis
Date Posted: 23 February 2009 at 8:50pm
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let's keep it civil. I don't need a flood of PMs. ------------- 
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Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 23 February 2009 at 8:57pm
I would say everyone is discussing the citizenry quite appropriately.  -------------
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Posted By: Hysteria
Date Posted: 24 February 2009 at 12:00am
Am I missing something? The Bible verse quoted and what FE said are one in the same. Also, I lol'ed hardcore at the CMOH thread. And at least in that thread he admitted he was trolling. |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 24 February 2009 at 12:09am
| No Hysteria, they're not. Working != earning money/ paying bills, etc. |
Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 24 February 2009 at 12:45am
Fixed. -------------
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Posted By: Bruce Banner
Date Posted: 24 February 2009 at 11:11am
If you get laid off but are looking for work, then you fail FE's test, but pass the Bible's test.
Besides, the Bible is chock full of rules and sayings about charity, helping the unfortunate, etc. By FE's standard we should throw the poor/unemployed under the bus, which is pretty much the opposite of what the Bible actually says.
The Bible says laziness is bad, but does not punish misfortune.
------------- Waste and excess are not conservative family values http://www.nytimes.com/ref/opinion/07opclassic.html - Nature is not a liberal plot http://pickensplan.com - A Good Energy Plan |
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 24 February 2009 at 12:01pm
Your reaching... badly...
Look at what I posted, it was a story about my upbringing. Specifically about my parents, I didn't realize you knew them, but they were unwilling to work. Hence my paraphrase of the verse.
I didn't ever say to throw the poor under the bus. In fact the remainder of my story was that through charity we were able to keep our house...
Don't "make up" my standards. You sound like Clinton referring to the definition of "is"... ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 24 February 2009 at 12:02pm
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Poor people are just lazy democrats anyway.
------------- irc.esper.net #paintball |
Posted By: Bruce Banner
Date Posted: 24 February 2009 at 12:10pm
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Ceesman, you should open a 1-900 line.
How do you figure?
You put up your faux Bible quote in the context of TARP 2 and people defaulting on their mortgages.
There are two relevant drivers of the current rash of mortgage defaults: Layoffs and ARMs.
The ARM idiots may be fools, but they are generally still working - therefore you can't be talking about them, since you are talking about people who are not working.
That leaves the layoffs. Most people who get laid off are not lazy, just laid off. Therefore you cannot be talking about laziness but just people not working.
Unless, of course, you are trying to argue that all/most people that got laid off recently is in fact lazy and unwilling to work.
Either way, your application of Scripture makes no sense at all. The Bible rather explicitly and repeatedly says that we ought to be helping the folks that are losing their houses due to layoffs, yet you "quote" the Bible to support your argument for why we ought NOT support the unfortunate.
You are of course welcome to argue that TARP 2 or the mortgage aid plans are bad ideas - but you ought not misquote and misinterpret the Bible in the process. ------------- Waste and excess are not conservative family values http://www.nytimes.com/ref/opinion/07opclassic.html - Nature is not a liberal plot http://pickensplan.com - A Good Energy Plan |
Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 24 February 2009 at 12:19pm
Considered! ------------- Innocence proves nothing FUAC!!!!! |
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 24 February 2009 at 12:19pm
nice strawman bruce...
But, it wasn't what I was arguing.
I reposted it for you to be able to read it again... ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: Bruce Banner
Date Posted: 24 February 2009 at 12:27pm
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Ok then, what exactly was the point of the Bible misquote? Please elaborate. ------------- Waste and excess are not conservative family values http://www.nytimes.com/ref/opinion/07opclassic.html - Nature is not a liberal plot http://pickensplan.com - A Good Energy Plan |
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 24 February 2009 at 12:30pm
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Posted By: Bruce Banner
Date Posted: 24 February 2009 at 12:32pm
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But those people are all working. What does that have to do with your Bible misquote?
(which is about people NOT working) ------------- Waste and excess are not conservative family values http://www.nytimes.com/ref/opinion/07opclassic.html - Nature is not a liberal plot http://pickensplan.com - A Good Energy Plan |
Posted By: mod98commando
Date Posted: 24 February 2009 at 11:49pm
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That thread about Monster Balls was fantastic. I was hoping that FE was just a bible nut that would eventually calm down but I'm now convinced that he's just a troll and needs to be slapped with the banhammer (of the IP variety). Is there some kind of chant or "rain dance" that can bring it sooner?
------------- oreomann33: Everybody invades Poland Rofl_Mao: And everyone eats turkey Me: But only if they're hungary Mack: Yeah but hungary people go russian through their food and end up with greece on everyth |
Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 25 February 2009 at 4:29am
Yes there is. It consists solely of the word "ban" repeated repeatedly. (Any Monty Python fan can guess the tune it is sung to.) -------------
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Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 25 February 2009 at 6:55am
Apparently you didn't realize that's not the post Bruce/everyone is talking about. ------------- 
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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 25 February 2009 at 7:40am
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actually it is the same post... Catch up...
He was just trying to twist my words into something else entirely. (strawman argument) But, I instead of falling into that typical debate trap. I reposted my views, it took three times before he caved.
Fact check agrees with me...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29377101/ - http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29377101/
"President Barack Obama's assurance Tuesday that his mortgage-relief plan will only benefit deserving homeowners appears to be a stretch.
Even officials in his administration, many supporters of the plan in Congress and the Federal Reserve chairman expect some of that money will go to people who should have known better than to buy that huge house. The president glossed over a number of complex realities in delivering his speech to Congress and a nation hungry for economic salvation." "If the administration has come up with a way to ensure money does not go to home buyers who used bad judgment, it hasn't announced it."
"Similarly, the head of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. suggested this month it's not likely aid will be denied to all homeowners who overstated their income or assets to get a mortgage they couldn't afford."
And if your only going to read one part of this post. (short attention spans and all that...) Read this.
OBAMA: "Regulations were gutted for the sake of a quick profit at the expense of a healthy market. People bought homes they knew they couldn't afford from banks and lenders who pushed those bad loans anyway. And all the while, critical debates and difficult decisions were put off for some other time on some other day." THE FACTS: This may be so, but it isn't only Republicans who pushed for deregulation of the financial industries. The Clinton administration championed an easing of banking regulations, including legislation that ended the barrier between regular banks and Wall Street banks. That led to a deregulation that kept regular banks under tight federal regulation but extended lax regulation of Wall Street banks. Clinton Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin, later an economic adviser to candidate Obama, was in the forefront in pushing for this deregulation. ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: Peter Parker
Date Posted: 25 February 2009 at 11:36am
I used a strawman? I caved? Huh. I didn't notice. Allow me to summarize this thread so far. FE: The Bible clearly says "X" FE: I don't make mistakes. Somebody prove me wrong. Me: The Bible actually doesn't say what you says that is does. FE: I wasn't talking about that. ME: But you misquoted the Bible. FE: Stop trying to change the subject. I wasn't talking about that. ME: Ok... But then insert an entirely irrelevant Bible (mis)quote)? FE: You are twisting my words. ------------- "E Pluribus Unum" does not mean "Every man for himself". Pop Quiz: What do all the Framers of the Constitution have in common? |
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 25 February 2009 at 1:34pm
I paraphrased... get over it, you may not want to believe, but only a lawyer would argue the way you are on this point...
Sad to think that is the best you guys could come up with... Especially since "no matter how frequently people prove you wrong" was just dropped on me, without proof, of course...
But, hey, the President is doing the exact same thing...
"Crisis, crisis, worst economy since the great depression..." obama
"wait, the market crashed..." the world
"Everything is peachy and fine, we will fix it, by raising taxes and spending more don't worry!" obama less than a week later...
Wait, aren't you the same guy that was telling me how wrong I was for calling for daschle to bow out.
Better check your spidey sense cause its pointing at the scoreboard.
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Posted By: Peter Parker
Date Posted: 25 February 2009 at 1:46pm
To the contrary - I find that Biblical scholars are quite particular about what the Bible says. Seeing as how every word is literally true and all. Paraphrasing the Bible is very poor form, particularly when you declare that the Bible is "quite clear" on a point, and most particularly when you paraphrase in such a fashion to change the meaning entirely. So no, I will not get over it. You made an error, you were shown to be wrong, and you are still insisting that you made no mistake.
Who said anything about "best?" This was just the most recent one on my mind. Seeing as how it was right there in the beginning of the first post in this thread. It seemed a good place to start, and required little effort.
There you go with the misquoting again. No, that is not paraphrasing, since in fact he said nothing of the kind. So even in your very post protesting how you don't make mistakes, you make another one.
And again, I said no such thing. I offered a very specific view on what standards we ought to holding our elected/aapointed officials to. I did not offer an opinion on whether Daschle ought to bow out. I did say that I believed that you had an unrealistic set of expectations for the closet-skeletons of politicians, and I stand by that. Daschle's departure is irrelevant to my point, particularly since I am not fully familiar with the facts in his case. I continue to believe that we are injuring ourselves by focusing too much on common errors, like illegal maids and whatnot. Absolutely. So in your post claiming you make no mistakes, you again deny the blatant misquote from the first post in this thread, and then proceed to misquote the President and incorrectly attribute positions to me. Very impressive. ------------- "E Pluribus Unum" does not mean "Every man for himself". Pop Quiz: What do all the Framers of the Constitution have in common? |
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 25 February 2009 at 1:56pm
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And yet, here I sit laughing... again... ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: Peter Parker
Date Posted: 25 February 2009 at 2:00pm
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Laugh away.
But while you are doing that, please clarify: Is it your position that "does not" and "will not" mean the same thing and are interchangeable? And when exactly did Obama say anything remotely like "everything is peachy and fine?" Clearly I missed that one. ------------- "E Pluribus Unum" does not mean "Every man for himself". Pop Quiz: What do all the Framers of the Constitution have in common? |
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 25 February 2009 at 2:03pm
When did I say "does not"? ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: Peter Parker
Date Posted: 25 February 2009 at 2:06pm
I didn't say that you did, but fair enough - Is it your position that "don't" and "will not" mean the same thing and are interchangeable? ------------- "E Pluribus Unum" does not mean "Every man for himself". Pop Quiz: What do all the Framers of the Constitution have in common? |
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 25 February 2009 at 2:09pm
paraphrase
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Posted By: Peter Parker
Date Posted: 25 February 2009 at 2:11pm
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Nonresponsive.
Is my question really that difficult to answer? ------------- "E Pluribus Unum" does not mean "Every man for himself". Pop Quiz: What do all the Framers of the Constitution have in common? |
Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 25 February 2009 at 2:11pm
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Wow. You have identity ADD don't you? ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell" 
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Posted By: Destruction
Date Posted: 25 February 2009 at 2:20pm
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You are all being childish. Stop it. ------------- u dont know what to do ur getting mottor boatted Men are from Magmar, women are from Venusaur. |
Posted By: mod98commando
Date Posted: 25 February 2009 at 3:40pm
Other than the fact that you completely ignored the question asked before this response, your response hurts your position on the other matter anyway. Bruce/Peter accused you of misquoting because you took a quote and rephrased it to support your point but at the same time changed the meaning. You claim you paraphrased it which is a "restating or rewording" but you also need to retain the same meaning for it to be a paraphrase, which you failed to do. Look at number 1 in your definition. You change the form when you paraphrase, not the meaning. This is why people jump on you all the time, man. You contradict yourself like crazy making nearly everything you say meaningless yet you push your opinions on others without shame. People here like to debate and will nitpick your posts but it's not because they hate you, it's because they want you to support your opinion. We all do this to each other all the time here and as long as everybody can pull facts from reliable sources and present logical views in an intelligent and civil manner, it remains a friendly debate. Some of us do it just as a challenge, others do it to learn something. I like debating for both reasons. However, if I'm proven wrong I don't try to twist facts to make myself right again, I acknowledge my mistakes and learn from it. That's where you go wrong FE, you have too much pride/arrogance to admit to your mistakes. Either that or you just like being a troll and getting people annoyed. I think it's a combination. ------------- oreomann33: Everybody invades Poland Rofl_Mao: And everyone eats turkey Me: But only if they're hungary Mack: Yeah but hungary people go russian through their food and end up with greece on everyth |