Speech etiquitte
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Topic: Speech etiquitte
Posted By: WGP guy2
Subject: Speech etiquitte
Date Posted: 24 February 2009 at 12:42pm
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We're in the informative speech stage of my speech class, and today someone gave a presentation on the LHC. The problem, he gave a lot of wrong or partially correct information. So, in cases like this, what would you guys think to be proper etiquette for an informed audience member? Students do evaluations of the presentation, would you deduct points for incorrect information, or grade solely on the quality of the speech? Here are some of his mistakes:
This was just an example, but I'm really wondering what most people would do in such a case. |
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Posted By: Rambino
Date Posted: 24 February 2009 at 12:45pm
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I think giving helpful advice on areas that could have been covered in more detail is good. Correcting his physics makes you look like a tool. ------------- [IMG]http://i38.tinypic.com/aag8s8.jpg"> |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 24 February 2009 at 12:56pm
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Yeah, correcting him on the information presented rather than the actual merit of the speech and the method in which the information is disseminated isn't really the best way to go about evaluating the assignment. Now, I would suggest taking off points for not explaining to at least some depth about the higgs boson and black hole sections, but you shouldn't be worried about whether his physics knowledge is as great as yours. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 24 February 2009 at 12:59pm
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Giving a fellow student a lower grade is how you get stuffed in trash cans.
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Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 24 February 2009 at 1:01pm
or shoved down steps, or rolled for lunch money... ------------- Innocence proves nothing FUAC!!!!! |
Frozen Balls wrote:Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 24 February 2009 at 1:05pm
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I'll remember to never take a class with you.
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Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 24 February 2009 at 1:09pm
You don't strike me as the type of guy that I would have to do such things to, Benji... ------------- Innocence proves nothing FUAC!!!!! |
Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 24 February 2009 at 1:10pm
He means WGP. -------------
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Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 24 February 2009 at 1:15pm
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^^ he was not specific^^
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Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 24 February 2009 at 1:16pm
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No he was not...let's put him in a trash can and roll him down the stairs. That'll teach him.
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Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 24 February 2009 at 1:19pm
Works for me. ------------- Innocence proves nothing FUAC!!!!! |
Posted By: tippmannfreak
Date Posted: 24 February 2009 at 1:23pm
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It is a speech class, so maybe that's all that's important. However, it's also supposed to be an informative speech and putting out incorrect facts destroys his credibility--ruining the speech.
If it were me, it'd depend on who the kid was. 99% of the time I couldn't care less, but that 1% when it's some tool I don't like up there in front of the class and I'm feeling ornery...then yah ask him some questions and make him squirm. Respecting the etiquette of the class is obviously important, but once a speaker throws out incorrect facts and dodges questions, he's disrespected the audience. |
Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 24 February 2009 at 1:25pm
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The real question here is, why would anyone bother with such an advanced topic in what I can only assume is a very low level class? I mean, talk about baseball or something...
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Posted By: IMPULS3.
Date Posted: 24 February 2009 at 1:36pm
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Why in the world would you ask questions at the end of his speech? And on top of that correct him on his info, wow you suck at life.
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Posted By: PaiNTbALLfReNzY
Date Posted: 24 February 2009 at 1:46pm
| Praise in public, criticize in private. |
Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 24 February 2009 at 1:49pm
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If its a speech class, he could have told me that the sky was purple, that rhinos eat glass shards and the keebler elves live in Hoboken, and if the speech wasn't to be graded on content, it doesn't matter. If it was a good speech, he passes. He's not in a science class giving a presentation on the LHC where content and information are key- he's giving a speech in speech class, the point of which I would bet is to hone public speaking skills, not earn a degree in physics. ------------- ? |
Posted By: WGP guy2
Date Posted: 24 February 2009 at 2:01pm
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He asked if there were questions...the professor asked one so I figured I was good to ask some. Honestly his speech is the only one I've given lower than a B+ on. My train of thought is aligned with tippmanfreak's. If he is throwing out incorrect information, even with coaxing toward the correct answer, rather than admitting he doesn't know, it is just bad form. That destroys his speech. To what tallen said, if his physics knowledge isn't complete enough to do the topic justice, he should do something he knows more about. Researching and having correct information is part of delivering an effective speech. I can't see how you guys are seperating the content of the speech from the quality. I did criticize in private, I didn't tell him he was wrong while he was up in front of the class, just on the evaluation. The evaluations are looked at by the prof, and he will pass on anything interesting on the student evals in the final eval, so the kid won't know who said what about his presentation. Frozen, it is a 200 level class, but mostly freshman. |
Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 24 February 2009 at 2:36pm
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You sicken me. -------------
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Posted By: Bolt3
Date Posted: 24 February 2009 at 2:39pm
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You must be really popular.
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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 24 February 2009 at 2:41pm
Easily, actually, especially if its only a 200 level course. The mechanics of making a good speech are completely different than the content of it. How was his posture? How enthusiastically did he present the material? Could you hear him properly? Was he boring? Did he present the speech or read it off a paper? All of these things can be evaluated, completely regardless of the information contained therein. Hell, he could have made the speech in a foreign language and you can still tell if it was delivered decently. Since its a lower level course, I'm willing to bet that the teacher of the speech class (read: not physics) is going to look at your evaluation, utter a hearty 'lol' and grade the kid on the speech, rather than on the nit-pickiness of one of the student's peers (excuse 'nit-picky' I couldn't think of a better term) Having taken a speech course myself, with a teacher who was bordering on 900 years old, I can say with confidence that some of the speeches given in the class, the poor old woman knew nothing about. Did she grade them based on content? No. She graded them on the mechanics that go into giving a good speech. Proper information never hurts of course, but I'm going to bet that the vast, overwhelming majority of the people in the class didn't know what 'LHC' was before the speech started- much less had any inkling of the physics involved. Don't take this the wrong way, but if I was in that class and found out that you gave the kid a D because some of the content was off, I'd be humming the theme to dexter's lab every time you walked into the room. ------------- ? |
Posted By: IMPULS3.
Date Posted: 24 February 2009 at 2:43pm
| Speaking of LHC, doesn't the test happen tomorrow? |
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Date Posted: 24 February 2009 at 2:46pm
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Posted By: notXXscared
Date Posted: 24 February 2009 at 3:04pm
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Posted By: WGP guy2
Date Posted: 24 February 2009 at 3:06pm
I honestly can't dock him on that because I've done the same thing. I realized it was a mistake later, but my speech is on Magnetohydrodynamics. I had originally planed to go very in depth with it, including a quick (5-6 minute) piece on deriving the equation for ideal MHD. Then I realized, nobody will know what I'm taking about, most hardly know what a derivative is, much less vector field theory. It is now just the basics of the technology that uses MHD, rather boring. I kind of do see what you guys are saying about grading on what the class taught, not on what he knows. I still think it is important to be well informed about the content, but it probably was stupid of me to give a low grade. FWIW, the student evals hardly count towards the actual grade, so it doesn't really matter. |
Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 24 February 2009 at 3:10pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xEzGIuY7kw - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xEzGIuY7kw -------------
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Posted By: Rambino
Date Posted: 24 February 2009 at 4:04pm
Yep. For a persuasive speech assignment in school I made an empassioned plea for the continued clubbing of baby seals. My classmate, a football player, made an empassioned plea to save the toes of athletes by removing astroturf. It doesn't matter what the subject matter is, or even if you make up all the facts to put in your speech (as I may or may not have done...)
Speech class is about presentation and nothing else. It is not research class, it is not debate class. It is verbal presentation class.
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 24 February 2009 at 4:10pm
| Correct him, but be gentle. Don't be a jerk for the sake of being a jerk, but pointing out their flaws in the presentation is a solid choice I would say. I see far too many terrible presentations go un-corrected or just let slide so it drives me nuts. |
Posted By: Eville
Date Posted: 24 February 2009 at 4:11pm
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Posted By: sporx
Date Posted: 24 February 2009 at 4:15pm
| i have to give an informative speech in a couple weeks as well. i need to get on that... |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 24 February 2009 at 5:43pm
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Bravo Foxtrot That's all I'm going to say. ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: tippmannfreak
Date Posted: 24 February 2009 at 5:50pm
omg like r u in the army?....sweet dude |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 24 February 2009 at 5:51pm
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I can't exactly say the real version.
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Posted By: Boss_DJ
Date Posted: 24 February 2009 at 7:25pm
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you're gonna get eaten alive in the real world tough guy
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Posted By: PaiNTbALLfReNzY
Date Posted: 25 February 2009 at 7:57am
Doesn't really apply if it's not his buddy though. |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 25 February 2009 at 8:40am
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Yes it does
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Posted By: PaiNTbALLfReNzY
Date Posted: 25 February 2009 at 10:16am
| Care to share your definition? It seems I'm not as educated as you on the subject. |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 25 February 2009 at 1:10pm
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Exactly as it sounds, anyone who foxtrots their buddy. Buddy in this case, is extended to mean your peers, subordionates and superiors, basically anyone. However, in the case of conflict, you must support the person closest to you. ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |