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Topic: Medical Marijuana
Posted By: pb125
Subject: Medical Marijuana
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 1:59am
I am now a patient. CoolDiscuss your thoughts on MEDICAL marijuana.

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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 2:03am
It's cool, I'm jealous, and inb4 lock Big smile

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Posted By: IMPULS3.
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 2:06am
What was your "illness"?


Posted By: Ozwarg
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 2:06am
LOL! Mary Jane....

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Posted By: pb125
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 2:07am
This shouldn't be locked considering it is perfectly legal (in my state anyway)

My illness is migraine headaches and insomnia. This is by far the best medication around.


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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 2:09am
Originally posted by pb125 pb125 wrote:

This shouldn't be locked considering it is perfectly legal (in my state anyway)

My illness is migraine headaches and insomnia. This is by far the best medication around.
 
I hear that's true, I never smoked whilst having a headache, and since I drank and smoked there was usually a headache involved later on LOL
 
But grats on the lucky break, does it cost you, or is it covered by insurance?
 


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Posted By: pb125
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 2:17am
I found a pretty cheap place 125 for the doctors visit and a year's access to the dispensaries. 

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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 2:24am
Ironically, I have insomnia and headaches. Maybe it's best I don't live there, I said no more pot...

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Posted By: TheWrAith
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 2:26am
 Wow... so wait... you get you're bud for free? Dead

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufekh_SwZd0 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufekh_SwZd0

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Posted By: Ozwarg
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 2:38am
still illegal Federaly Wink

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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 3:38am
I'm trying to get a doc to sign here. Migraines.


Posted By: sinisterNorth
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 7:21am
I may have just developed insomnia...

GG


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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 7:33am
MM claims are largely a load of crap. I can't support this with facts and figures, but you don't need to be a rocket scientist to realize this when the general response to it from its 'beneficiaries' is "WOOO, Legal Weed!"

Take an advil PM and go to sleep.



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Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 7:42am
Get some decent exercise and fresh air, don't eat high energy food or drinks before bed. Don't watch TV or play PC games or use a computer before sleep time.

Lighting up a blunt is easier.

I need medikashun maujaana.

Surely if it has true medicinal properties they'd have refined it by now? Ala poppies/opiates?

KBK


Posted By: Gator Taco
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 7:56am
How do they give you your medication? Is it pre-rolled?

I have extreme insomnia and I get migraines with regularity.. Perhaps I should move to Cali.


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Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 8:02am
Going off my understanding based entirely on second-hand accounts and as a person who has never used the substance, I think medical marijuana has some real promise as an alternative painkiller. Its lack of serious side affects and physical withdrawal make it seem sensible.

That being said I think its a real shame that the chief proponents of medical marijuana are just teens who want to smoke and grow legally.  They've effectively turned a potential source of relief for people with real illnesses such as cancer and depression into a joke in the eyes of the public.



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Posted By: mbro
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 8:22am
Great, a bunch of stoners lying about medical problems in order to get drugs that they would have just bought on the street anyways. What a joke.

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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 8:28am
Originally posted by mbro mbro wrote:

Great, a bunch of stoners lying about medical problems in order to get drugs that they would have just bought on the street anyways. What a joke.


Thats about the size of it.

Awesome isn't it?


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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 8:37am
Whoo Hoo! Relative Morality... +1 public schools!

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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 8:40am
Originally posted by Reb Cpl Reb Cpl wrote:

MM claims are largely a load of crap. I can't support this with facts and figures, but you don't need to be a rocket scientist to realize this when the general response to it from its 'beneficiaries' is "WOOO, Legal Weed!"

Take an advil PM and go to sleep.

Wrong.

Legalize it.


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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 8:49am
Originally posted by Benjichang Benjichang wrote:

Originally posted by Reb Cpl Reb Cpl wrote:

MM claims are largely a load of crap. I can't support this with facts and figures, but you don't need to be a rocket scientist to realize this when the general response to it from its 'beneficiaries' is "WOOO, Legal Weed!"

Take an advil PM and go to sleep.

Wrong.

Legalize it.


Just like that.

If it eventually does get legalized, fine, I don't care, I don't use. But when it IS illegal for general use, sneaking through back doors via fraudulent claims just to get sort of speaks volumes, and doesn't really help the legalization process.


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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 8:51am
I have a serious question to the many stoners on this board...
 
Is your life really that pathetic, that you need banned substances to get you "high" enough to enjoy life?


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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 8:58am
Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

I have a serious question to the many stoners on this board...
 
Is your life really that pathetic, that you need banned substances to get you "high" enough to enjoy life?


This discussion goes beyond that. Frankly, I don't give a damn what substance people choose to use in order to enjoy themselves. Whatever. Jumping on a 'holier than thou' bandwagon never produces results.

My problem with this is the abuse of the system which makes use of a generally banned substance for medical purposes.  "Gee, I...uh....have migraines and can't sleep....give me weed." Give me a break. 

Quite frankly, any doctor that prescribes MM to an adolescent or even people in their early 20s should be ejected from the medical profession. Do some of them have legitimate reasons for it?  Perhaps. But lets not kid ourselves by pretending that people like pb here need MM to get to sleep at night.






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Posted By: mbro
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 9:02am
Originally posted by Reb Cpl Reb Cpl wrote:


[QUOTE=Benjichang]Just like that. If it eventually does get legalized, fine, I don't care, I don't use. But when it IS illegal for general use, sneaking through back doors via fraudulent claims just to get sort of speaks volumes, and doesn't really help the legalization process.
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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 9:08am
Ah, let em smoke...
 
they won't be able to have kids, survival of the fittest and all... (learned that in public school.)
 
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-wellbeing/health-news/cannabis-linked-to-testicular-cancer-1604487.html - http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-wellbeing/health-news/cannabis-linked-to-testicular-cancer-1604487.html
 

"The soaring rate of testicular cancer in the UK and other Western countries is linked today to the increased popularity of cannabis. Testicular cancer has more than doubled over the past 30 years and its rise parallels that of the use of cannabis, Britain's most popular illegal drug.

Researchers in the US have found that men who regularly smoke cannabis have a 70 per cent increased risk of testicular cancer. The risk was highest – twice that of those who never used the drug – in those who smoked it at least once a week or had a long history of use, beginning in adolescence."

I always thought that guys that smoked pot, were a little "off"...
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,291043,00.html - http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,291043,00.html
 
"Using javascript:siteSearch%28marijuana%29; - marijuana seems to increase the chance of becoming psychotic, researchers report in an analysis of past research that reignites the issue of whether pot is dangerous.

The new review suggests that even infrequent use could raise the small but real risk of this serious mental illness by 40 percent."

 
 
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2000/10/001010072034.htm - http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2000/10/001010072034.htm
 
 
smoke every day losers. Its "good" for you...


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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 9:14am
Actually, I had a cousin who blamed his pregnant sister in law for him getting his girlfriend pregnant.

(What?)

They drove across Canada together, and since she was pregnant, he couldn't smoke around her. When they got back to where  they were going, one thing led to another, and the added swimmers to the race resulted in a new baby cousin.

At least that's his excuse. I thought it was funny.




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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 9:15am
Originally posted by Reb Cpl Reb Cpl wrote:

Actually, I had a cousin who blamed his pregnant sister in law for him getting his girlfriend pregnant.

(What?)

They drove across Canada together, and since she was pregnant, he couldn't smoke around her. When they got back to where  they were going, one thing led to another, and the added swimmers to the race resulted in a new baby cousin.

At least that's his excuse. I thought it was funny.


 
excuse... Thats pot logic... You see tons of it on this board everyday...
 
WHAT?


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Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 9:55am

Originally posted by Fox News Article Fox News Article wrote:

The researchers said they couldn't prove that marijuana use itself increases the risk of psychosis, a category of several disorders with schizophrenia being the most commonly known.

There could be something else about marijuana users, "like their tendency to use other drugs or certain personality traits, that could be causing the psychoses," Zammit said.

Personally, I have no problem with legalization of pot.  No more addictive or harmful than alcohol IMO.  Other than legality, what's the difference between sparking up before going to a party and having a couple of drinks to loosen up?



Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 9:56am
`Selective Morality``. Hm, I like how you`re trying to suggest that Marijuana use is inherently immoral.

I`ve never touched the stuff, never will. I`ve never done any drugs, I do drink sometimes, I don`t smoke. I don`t see any moral difference between any of these though; that a person chooses to put in their body is their own business and noone elses so long as their is no actual harm caused to anyone else as a result. I have the freedom to drink my face off if I so choose, with the understanding that I`m still subject to all laws. If you or I can drink, it strikes me as the height of hypocrisy to say that another person is intrinsically in the wrong simply ebcause they choose to smoke pot. Now, I take issue with some of the more refined synthetic hard drugs, but the social costs of Marijuana use are negligible compared to the costs of smoking and drinking.

Simply because something has been deemed to be illegal does not make it wrong. We as human beings in a free society have the freedom to do dumb things for our own enjoyment if we so choose, and as long as no harm is done to others. Unfortunately the law has remained inconsistent and hypocritical in some respects. I feel that most such `Vice`laws are messed up.


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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 10:01am
Bri, I agree with you, I do. Being a fan of sporadic alcohol consumption myself, it is completely hypocritical to judge one for smoking marijuana.

However. The means which are used to obtain it are what I have a problem with. Exploiting a shoddily constructed system which legally distributes a controlled substance for medical purposes just so you can wave a prescription in the face of authority and giggle like a 13 year old girl because you conned some moron in the medical profession with a sniveling excuse about headaches and lack of sleep....this is problematic.




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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 10:02am
Originally posted by brihard brihard wrote:

`Selective Morality``. Hm, I like how you`re trying to suggest that Marijuana use is inherently immoral.
 
Yeah, I'm funny like that.
 
When something is illegal. I find that doing it anyway is kind of immoral...


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Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 10:05am
Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

Originally posted by brihard brihard wrote:

`Selective Morality``. Hm, I like how you`re trying to suggest that Marijuana use is inherently immoral.
 
Yeah, I'm funny like that.
 
When something is illegal. I find that doing it anyway is kind of immoral...
Kinda like doing side jobs under the table?


Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 10:10am
Originally posted by oldpbnoob oldpbnoob wrote:

Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

Originally posted by brihard brihard wrote:

`Selective Morality``. Hm, I like how you`re trying to suggest that Marijuana use is inherently immoral.
 
Yeah, I'm funny like that.
 
When something is illegal. I find that doing it anyway is kind of immoral...
Kinda like doing side jobs under the table?
 
exactly!


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Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 10:16am
Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

Originally posted by brihard brihard wrote:

`Selective Morality``. Hm, I like how you`re trying to suggest that Marijuana use is inherently immoral.
 
Yeah, I'm funny like that.
 
When something is illegal. I find that doing it anyway is kind of immoral...


Legality=/=morality.

Marijuana should be legal with or without legitimate medical applications. I have yet to see anyone so high they can't function. There is no science involved in my observations, but I have never seen driving affected at all by smoking.

I do agree with Reb though. If they're going to  have medical marijuana they shouldn't give it to people for just about every reason that someone can think of.


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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 10:22am
I think that that claims like PB's, which I'm about 95% certain are full of horse crap, based strictly on his conversations around here- completely destroy the 'Legalize it' argument.

Having people sneak around the back door to get the stuff isn't going to help your case. Devote your time to legitimately arguing for the legalization of it, rather than trying to conjure up some lame ass excuse to defraud the taxpayers and the healthcare system, which had problems enough of its own.



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Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 10:25am
I don't think his claims are false. Well I hope not. It would be rather dumb if he walked in and was like "oh I have a headache and can't sleep" and they gave him weed.

I would hope they at least diagnosed it, and maybe tried something else first.


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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 10:27am
Originally posted by jmac3 jmac3 wrote:

Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

Originally posted by brihard brihard wrote:

`Selective Morality``. Hm, I like how you`re trying to suggest that Marijuana use is inherently immoral.
 
Yeah, I'm funny like that.
 
When something is illegal. I find that doing it anyway is kind of immoral...


Legality=/=morality.

Marijuana should be legal with or without legitimate medical applications. I have yet to see anyone so high they can't function. There is no science involved in my observations, but I have never seen driving affected at all by smoking.

 
Thank you for proving my "relative morality" quote...
 
 


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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 10:34am
Originally posted by jmac3 jmac3 wrote:

I don't think his claims are false. Well I hope not. It would be rather dumb if he walked in and was like "oh I have a headache and can't sleep" and they gave him weed.

I would hope they at least diagnosed it, and maybe tried something else first.


You're right, maybe I'm being too hard on PB125, for that I apologize.

I'm sure that there's a diagnosis and a prescription, but I still firmly believe that this sort of thing is abused more than anyone would like to admit. Come on, Why a thread about it other than to say "haha, look what I got!"


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Posted By: Zata
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 10:43am
I think it should be made legal, but strongly regulated like alcohol and tobacco.  I don't know, maybe make the buying age 21, and have a big tax on it.  The states can make money off of it and still enforce laws like MIPs.  Depending on how and where its manufactured, it would probably create new jobs as well.  I don't think legal marijuana is any worse than alcohol being legal.


Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 10:47am
 
http://www.fcda.org/driving.htm - http://www.fcda.org/driving.htm


Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 10:47am
Originally posted by Zata Zata wrote:

I don't think legal marijuana is any worse than alcohol being legal.


And it probably isn't. But it's still illegal.

Just because there's a 'stupid law' doesn't really give you the right to break it. In fact, breaking a law because you think its moronic is about the stupidest thing I can think of doing.

Speed limit? That's dumb. I can go 80 safely, so I will. - It doesn't work that way.
Obey the law, and do your damnedest to legitimately CHANGE it. There's where your results will come from.




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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 11:17am
I know its hard....but try to be civil now and again.


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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 11:25am
Originally posted by Benjichang Benjichang wrote:

Fail- ABORT


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Posted By: God
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 12:30pm
Originally posted by Reb Cpl Reb Cpl wrote:


Just because there's a 'stupid law' doesn't really give you the right to break it. In fact, breaking a law because you think its moronic is about the stupidest thing I can think of doing. 


I think the American Revolution revolutionists would disagree with you on that one.




Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 12:49pm
Wow I actually agree with FE on this one, not cool.
 
I actually was a pretty frequent smoker for a while, but as far as the morality involved, I think morals can be attached to anything that's illegal. It's the basic element of society-in fact, I think this goes back to the religious discussion from the past couple of days. Remember, how that you don't need a higher power for morality, because people can be trusted to follow their own moral compass in society? T
 
The pot issue is a funny one, because again, even though I did it, I do feel that as long as it's illegal it is a moral issue. I think if you want to do it, and you can get away with it, more power to you, but you can't deny FE's observation of relative morality, because I do believe it applies here.


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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 12:53pm
Originally posted by God God wrote:

Originally posted by Reb Cpl Reb Cpl wrote:


Just because there's a 'stupid law' doesn't really give you the right to break it. In fact, breaking a law because you think its moronic is about the stupidest thing I can think of doing. 


I think the American Revolution revolutionists would disagree with you on that one.




You're talking about the laws that taxed and governed an entire 'nation' of people. These laws were enough to offend the vast, overwhelming majority of the citizens of the American colonies to the point where they activated and did something about it.

Now look at weed. Are you telling me that protesting its illegitimacy  by sneaking around in back alleys and faking medical conditions is paramount going to war over such things as taxation without representation and nation wide exploitation?



 


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Posted By: Eville
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 1:04pm
Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

Originally posted by brihard brihard wrote:

`Selective Morality``. Hm, I like how you`re trying to suggest that Marijuana use is inherently immoral.
 
Yeah, I'm funny like that.
 
When something is illegal. I find that doing it anyway is kind of immoral...

are you saying Rosa Parks was immoral for sitting at the front of the bus?


Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 1:07pm
Originally posted by Eville Eville wrote:

Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

Originally posted by brihard brihard wrote:

`Selective Morality``. Hm, I like how you`re trying to suggest that Marijuana use is inherently immoral.
 
Yeah, I'm funny like that.
 
When something is illegal. I find that doing it anyway is kind of immoral...

are you saying Rosa Parks was immoral for sitting at the front of the bus?
 
Yup, because the fight for african american rights = scoring some green.


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Posted By: Eville
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 1:08pm
Originally posted by stratoaxe stratoaxe wrote:

Originally posted by Eville Eville wrote:

Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

Originally posted by brihard brihard wrote:

`Selective Morality``. Hm, I like how you`re trying to suggest that Marijuana use is inherently immoral.
 
Yeah, I'm funny like that.
 
When something is illegal. I find that doing it anyway is kind of immoral...

are you saying Rosa Parks was immoral for sitting at the front of the bus?
 
Yup, because the fight for african american rights = scoring some green.


it was illegal and she did it anyway

just shows how perfect man's laws are.


Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 1:08pm

Gah, silly Tippmann forum, double posting me...

I see your point, but it's kind of weak. FE's point was that choosing to smoke weed was relative morality.
 
In other words, my moral compass tells me not to break the law unless it's something I want to do.
 
The civil rights movement was about fighting for rights that were legal for some, not for others. That was inequality. Pot is illegal for everyone, regardless.


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Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 1:22pm
Originally posted by stratoaxe stratoaxe wrote:

In other words, my moral compass tells me not to break the law unless it's something I want to do.
 



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Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 1:28pm
So driving 60 in a 55 zone, but not smoking pot because it's illegal is selective morality as well right? Guess the morality police never get speeding tickets?


Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 1:34pm
speeding "fines" have little affect on your future (cept higher insurance premiums).
 
Same can't be said for drug convictions, but I'm sure a bunch of dummies on this board will get the "choice" to find that out in the future...
http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/471/drug_offenders_lose_federal_benefits - http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/471/drug_offenders_lose_federal_benefits
 
 
"Some 15 to 20 million people have been arrested on drug charges and subjected to the tender mercies of the criminal justice system in the past two decades. But, thanks to congressional drug warriors, the punishments drug offenders face often extend far beyond the prison walls or the parole officer's office. A number of federal laws ostensibly aimed at reducing drug use block people with drug convictions from gaining access to federal benefits and services."
 


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Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 1:39pm
But you are still breaking the law, correct? So it is still selective morality. So is working jobs under the table and not paying taxes. Technically, it's tax fraud, which is illegal. Selling all this garage sale goodies and not reporting it as income is most likely also technically breaking the law.  A vast majority of us suffer from selective morality, let's all be a little less hypocritical.


Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 1:40pm
Mixing morality with legality makes one look foolish.

There are many laws which are silly. Often times, breaking laws or rules might be the moral thing to do. Man is an imperfect being,  completely incapable of aligning earthly laws with the more complex idea of morality.

Does smoking weed without a prescription mean you're breaking a law. Yes. Does it mean that you're violating a moral code? It depends. Does your personal morality fall in line with the letter of the man-made law? If so, then yes, smoking weed illegally is immoral.

However, its entirely possible that your moral ideology is a little more complex than that- perhaps you're more concerned with the well being of others, and as long as you're not hurting anyone by disobeying man's silly little laws, then you're good.

To reiterate the point, not all things moral are legal. Not all things legal are moral. Of course it entirely depends on your own definition of morality.

FE might say that smoking weed is illegal, therefore immoral.
I might say that as long as nobody is being harmed by the act, smoking weed is moronic, illegal and wrong- but certainly not immoral.

To each his own interpretation. You'll find out how right you were when your number is up.



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Posted By: God
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 1:45pm
Originally posted by God God wrote:

Originally posted by Reb Cpl Reb Cpl wrote:

Originally posted by God God wrote:

Originally posted by Reb Cpl Reb Cpl wrote:


Just because there's a 'stupid law' doesn't really give you the right to break it. In fact, breaking a law because you think its moronic is about the stupidest thing I can think of doing. 


I think the American Revolution revolutionists would disagree with you on that one.




You're talking about the laws that taxed and governed an entire 'nation' of people. These laws were enough to offend the vast, overwhelming majority of the citizens of the American colonies to the point where they activated and did something about it.

Now look at weed. Are you telling me that protesting its illegitimacy by sneaking around in back alleys and faking medical conditions is paramount going to war over such things as taxation without representation and nation wide exploitation?
 


My reply had nothing to do with marijuana. I was only responding to you statement of "breaking a law because you think its moronic is about the stupidest thing I can think of doing." History has determined that your statement, as illustrated in my Revolutionary War example is not always correct. Ghandhi's legally disobedient actions also demonstrates that "breaking a law because you think its moronic" was not the stupidest thing that has ever happened to India.

I was not originally planning on directly comparing legal or illegal marijuana use to the revolutionary war but since you brought it up, yes, sure I can see a valid comparison of the "estimated 100 million Americans aged 12 or older have tried marijuana at least once in their lifetimes, representing 40.6% of the U.S. population in that age group," http://www.whitehousedrugpolicy.gov/drugfact/marijuana/marijuana_ff.html - http://www.whitehousedrugpolicy.gov/drugfact/marijuana/marijuana_ff.html , as comparable to the "40 percent" of the colonial population which were "actively revolutionist" colonial population, http://www.fsmitha.com/h3/h32-rv.htm - http://www.fsmitha.com/h3/h32-rv.htm " going to war over taxation.

The two difference examples (marijuana and revolutionary war ) may be taking different approaches to "protesting the illegitimacy" of the laws that they disagree with but I do not feel that because one is much more extreme in action than the other, that one is any less as civil disobedient than the other. Breaking the law is breaking the law. Again, Ghandi used a third option of civil disobedience to achieve his goal of overturning laws and I would put his accomplishments on par with the results of the Revolutionary war.

The final chapter is not written on the legality of marijuana use in the United States. The people "sneaking out into back alleys and exaggerating illnesses to gain medical marijuana prescriptions" are indeed tactics that are working to challenge the illegal/legal outcome of marijuana because their actions are causing people to discuss the topic on a daily basis. If everyone accepted that marijuana was illegal and because it was illegal, they did not use the substance, it would have a greater chance that it would forever remain illegal because no one was challenging that notion.


Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 1:48pm
I like this mentality that if you think the legal status of marijuana should be challenged, you must be some kind of reefer madness stoner pothead kid or something. 


Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 1:49pm
Fair enough. Let me revise my statement with the addition of one word, which should legitimize it.

"Breaking a petty law because you think its moronic is about the stupidest thing I can think of doing"

Trying to tie the American revolution to legalizing marijuana is a stretch no matter how you slice it. I understand the numbers, but in terms of the gravity of the situations at hand- they don't compare. On one hand you're talking about the situations which governed the lives of a (to be) nation. On the other hand, you're talking about a recreational drug. It's like saying that we should legalize heroine because the civil rights movement worked.

And just because the topic is being discussed doesn't really mean that we're any closer to legalizing it. Falsifying medical claims to get your hands on the stuff is a reality, and plenty of people know that. Until that sort of thing stops, until the image of the marijuana smoker can no longer be tied to such things as defrauding the health care system and screwing the tax payers who are responsible for paying for this 'treatment' you've got a better chance of building a snowman in Honolulu than you do of seeing marijuana legalized.

Its been given a stigma, perhaps unfairly, I don't know. the only information I have is the smokers telling me its not that bad, and everyone else saying it is. Until that stigma can be erased, which won't happen as long as there are people willing to cheat the health care system- keep the shades drawn.

 


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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 1:51pm
Originally posted by agentwhale007 agentwhale007 wrote:

I like this mentality that if you think the legal status of marijuana should be challenged, you must be some kind of reefer madness stoner pothead kid or something. 


To clear the air (haha) I'll reiterate, I couldn't give a rats hind end if it becomes legal, illegal, or all blasted straight to the moon. All I'm saying is that as long as it is illegal, the distribution of it through medical means needs to be much more tightly controlled.


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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 2:02pm
Originally posted by oldpbnoob oldpbnoob wrote:

So driving 60 in a 55 zone, but not smoking pot because it's illegal is selective morality as well right?
 
Sure is. I'm not saying (don't about FE, he went off on something completely different) that I've never practiced selective morality, I'm saying that it is what it is.
 
Pot is a touchy subject, because of selective morality. It's twofold-
 
1-Pot in essence should be legal. I think we can all (with the possible exception of FE :P) agree on that. But that leads me to...
 
2-Therefore it is my right to bypass that law based upon my personal moral idealogy.
 
Same with speed limits, seat belts, handicapped zones, or if you want to go into the big times, pirating, theft, etc etc
 
Fighting for your right to smoke pot is not selective morality, it's protest. But when you break the law you're fighting to have turned back, you step into selective morality.
 
Rosa Parks fought the law in the only way she knew how. The difference is that smoking pot and obtaining it illegally (especially as minor) actually hurts your cause, and gives people like FE more ammo for their war on irresponsible potheads.


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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 2:04pm
So for all those on here suggesting it is wrong to use marijuana simply because it is illegal, do you even know how it became illegal?

Also, one thing I am always interested in, how many people favor decriminalization vs. legalization? I support decriminalization, and if that leads to legalization then hooray, but just decriminalizing it would be fine by me.

Hey pb125, has the DEA stopped raiding dispensaries yet?


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Posted By: The eMike
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 2:09pm
Originally posted by Reb Cpl Reb Cpl wrote:

Originally posted by jmac3 jmac3 wrote:

I don't think his claims are false. Well I hope not. It would be rather dumb if he walked in and was like "oh I have a headache and can't sleep" and they gave him weed.

I would hope they at least diagnosed it, and maybe tried something else first.


You're right, maybe I'm being too hard on PB125, for that I apologize.

I'm sure that there's a diagnosis and a prescription, but I still firmly believe that this sort of thing is abused more than anyone would like to admit. Come on, Why a thread about it other than to say "haha, look what I got!"


That sums it up actually.

Originally posted by Reb Cpl Reb Cpl wrote:

I think that that claims like PB's, which I'm about 95% certain are full of horse crap, based strictly on his conversations around here- completely destroy the 'Legalize it' argument.

Having people sneak around the back door to get the stuff isn't going to help your case. Devote your time to legitimately arguing for the legalization of it, rather than trying to conjure up some lame ass excuse to defraud the taxpayers and the healthcare system, which had problems enough of its own.



That has done a lot of good.



Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 2:13pm
Originally posted by The eMike The eMike wrote:

Originally posted by Reb Cpl Reb Cpl wrote:

Originally posted by jmac3 jmac3 wrote:

I don't think his claims are false. Well I hope not. It would be rather dumb if he walked in and was like "oh I have a headache and can't sleep" and they gave him weed.

I would hope they at least diagnosed it, and maybe tried something else first.


You're right, maybe I'm being too hard on PB125, for that I apologize.

I'm sure that there's a diagnosis and a prescription, but I still firmly believe that this sort of thing is abused more than anyone would like to admit. Come on, Why a thread about it other than to say "haha, look what I got!"


That sums it up actually.




Well, that's kind of pathetic


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Posted By: The eMike
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 2:19pm
Originally posted by jmac3 jmac3 wrote:

Originally posted by The eMike The eMike wrote:

Originally posted by Reb Cpl Reb Cpl wrote:

Originally posted by jmac3 jmac3 wrote:

I don't think his claims are false. Well I hope not. It would be rather dumb if he walked in and was like "oh I have a headache and can't sleep" and they gave him weed.

I would hope they at least diagnosed it, and maybe tried something else first.


You're right, maybe I'm being too hard on PB125, for that I apologize.

I'm sure that there's a diagnosis and a prescription, but I still firmly believe that this sort of thing is abused more than anyone would like to admit. Come on, Why a thread about it other than to say "haha, look what I got!"


That sums it up actually.




Well, that's kind of pathetic


It is what it is.

Weed should be legal anyways if alcohol can be.  Both play huge factors in the economy.


Posted By: slackerr26
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 2:32pm
Originally posted by The eMike The eMike wrote:



It is what it is.

Weed should be legal anyways if alcohol can be.  Both play huge factors in the economy.
 
how so?


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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 2:41pm
Originally posted by The eMike The eMike wrote:

Originally posted by jmac3 jmac3 wrote:

Originally posted by The eMike The eMike wrote:

Originally posted by Reb Cpl Reb Cpl wrote:

Originally posted by jmac3 jmac3 wrote:

I don't think his claims are false. Well I hope not. It would be rather dumb if he walked in and was like "oh I have a headache and can't sleep" and they gave him weed.

I would hope they at least diagnosed it, and maybe tried something else first.


You're right, maybe I'm being too hard on PB125, for that I apologize.

I'm sure that there's a diagnosis and a prescription, but I still firmly believe that this sort of thing is abused more than anyone would like to admit. Come on, Why a thread about it other than to say "haha, look what I got!"


That sums it up actually.




Well, that's kind of pathetic


It is what it is.

Weed should be legal anyways if alcohol can be.  Both play huge factors in the economy.


Right. and defrauding the taxpayers is the way to make sure it gets legalized.


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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 2:43pm
Originally posted by High Voltage High Voltage wrote:

So for all those on here suggesting it is wrong to use marijuana simply because it is illegal, do you even know how it became illegal?

Also, one thing I am always interested in, how many people favor decriminalization vs. legalization? I support decriminalization, and if that leads to legalization then hooray, but just decriminalizing it would be fine by me.

 
I don't think why pot is illegal is relevant to the discussion-we're talking about relative morals. I.E. I don't think it's wrong, therefore I have the right to bypass the law. For some reason a vast majority of people that smoke pot feel like that's their right, and that somehow their human right to consume weed bypasses any type of legal process.
 
The undisputable fact is that is not most people's right to smoke pot. It is, in fact, illegal, and will not become a right until it's legalized.
 
And again, for the record, I could care less. I've smoked plenty of pot, but just because I did it doesn't make it morally sound. I like to street race as well, but I'll be the first to admit it's not my right to do that.
 
 


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Posted By: IMPULS3.
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 2:56pm
The MM organization has done wonders.




Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 3:03pm
So what do the Obamabots think about this?
 

Obama joked at one point about the most popular question from his online audience—whether he favored legalizing marijuana and could that turn around the economy.

"I don't know what this says about the online audience," he said with a smile, adding that he opposed legalizing the illicit drug.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D975S2180&show_article=1 - http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D975S2180&show_article=1


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Posted By: scotchyscotch
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 3:08pm
If it became legal then the government would tax it to hell.

End result it costs more. Good thing?

Get off the bandwagon and go see your friendly neighbourhood grass dealer. It's not like it's hard to get.


Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 3:13pm
now you guys will be running TOWARD those black helicopters...
 
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/local/Examiner-Special-Report--Federal-programs-gave-addicts-street-drugs-41846907.html - http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/local/Examiner-Special-Report--Federal-programs-gave-addicts-street-drugs-41846907.html
 
"The federal government is giving crack and powder cocaine, morphine, and other hard-core drugs to taxpayer-funded researchers for testing on addicts, The Examiner has learned.

For decades, the government has authorized, funded and lobbied for studies in which otherwise illegal drugs were given to addicts in cities such as Washington, Bethesda, Baltimore, New York, Minneapolis and San Antonio. The studies continue today and have an array of aims, from documenting the ways cocaine warps the brain to the intensity of pain from morphine withdrawal."



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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 3:20pm
What a completely irrevelevent and unrelated thing to bring up FE, how very like you.


Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 3:20pm
Originally posted by slackerr26 slackerr26 wrote:

Originally posted by The eMike The eMike wrote:



It is what it is.

Weed should be legal anyways if alcohol can be.  Both play huge factors in the economy.
 
how so?
 
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/story?id=2735017&page=1 - http://abcnews.go.com/Business/story?id=2735017&page=1


Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 3:30pm
Plenty of other avenues to get drugged up to kill the pain. Any opioid derivative does the job. Yes, there are drawbacks, but that goes for EVERY drug, INCLUDING marijuana.

Is marijuana addictive? Yes, and any argument otherwise is ludicrous.

Any substance or activity that makes you choose it over something more important, is called an addictive drug. Are all people that take marijuana addicted to it? Not at all, just like not everyone that does meth or PCP or LSD or crack are addicted to those drugs.   Yes, there are people addicted to alcohol, but that doesn't help your case either.



Yes, marijuana does have a much lower addiction rate then the aforementioned drugs, but that doesn't make it any 'better'. People still suffer from withdrawals if taken off of it. Still get tremors. Still have the urge and need to have it. Addiction is still addiction.


The pro-legalization group always cites that alcohol is legalized, so why shouldn't marijuana? Few different things that stand alcohol apart from marijuana.

1) Proven benefit to your health. A glass of red wine a day is recommenced to help your heart.

2) The point of drinking is not to get drunk, but to get buzzed. You can't get buzzed on marijuana. You're either high or you're not.

3) The sheer amount of alcohol required to inhibit normal activity, in general, is much higher then to get the same results from marijuana. One marijuana cigerette gets you high. One beer, or one shot of hard liquour, will not get the average person drunk.

4) The delivery methods are different. Alcohol is ingested. The most common form for marijuana delivery is smoking it. Anyone who thinks smoking a substance, ANY SUBSTANCE, is good for you, is an idiot. Smoke is detrimental to your health, no matter how you spin it.



Now yes, you can ingest marijuana, but I don't see anyone arguing for the digestible kind, only the smoking kind.   If people were arguing for digestible marijuana, I wouldn't be such a staunch critic.




As I said, there are many other LEGAL avenues to kill the pain. Yes, addiction occurs in those as well, and no one denies that.   Morphine causes depression of the respiratory system.


I'm not denying the effectiveness of marijuana, but the arguments for it are not as valid as most people believe. A good portion of people that want medicinal marijuana legalized, do so because they also want to see marijuana legalized in whole, and having it as a medicine will make it just that much easier.

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Posted By: IMPULS3.
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 3:35pm
Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:


2) The point of drinking is not to get drunk, b


Wait, what?


Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 3:36pm
Obama said multiple times during the campaign that he didn't support legalization, so that's nothing new, FE.

If we are going to legalize it, it's going to be up the states first anyway.


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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 3:38pm
Also, wow, Linus.

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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 3:39pm
Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

2) The point of drinking is not to get drunk, but to get buzzed. You can't get buzzed on marijuana. You're either high or you're not.


There were many many points you used that discredited you, but I chose to go with this one. You clearly just don't know what you're talking about Linus.


Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 3:49pm
Originally posted by IMPULS3. IMPULS3. wrote:


Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

2) The point of drinking is not to get drunk, b
Wait, what?



Outside of college.

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Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 3:54pm
Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

Originally posted by IMPULS3. IMPULS3. wrote:


Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

2) The point of drinking is not to get drunk, b
Wait, what?



Outside of college.
Really? Guess I need to quit getting drunk.


Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 3:54pm
Originally posted by choopie911 choopie911 wrote:

Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

2) The point of drinking is not to get drunk, but to get buzzed. You can't get buzzed on marijuana. You're either high or you're not.


There were many many points you used that discredited you, but I chose to go with this one. You clearly just don't know what you're talking about Linus.



Seeing as it's just as illegal to be drunk as it is to be high, I'd like to see that.

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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 3:56pm
Since when is it illegal to be drunk?

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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 3:58pm
Originally posted by Benjichang Benjichang wrote:

Since when is it illegal to be drunk?



Public intoxication.

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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 4:08pm
Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

Originally posted by Benjichang Benjichang wrote:

Since when is it illegal to be drunk?



Public intoxication.


LOL

This is easily the most entertaining thread on this forum in a long, long time.

LOL


Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 4:11pm
Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

Originally posted by choopie911 choopie911 wrote:

Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

2) The point of drinking is not to get drunk, but to get buzzed. You can't get buzzed on marijuana. You're either high or you're not.


There were many many points you used that discredited you, but I chose to go with this one. You clearly just don't know what you're talking about Linus.



Seeing as it's just as illegal to be drunk as it is to be high, I'd like to see that.


My point was with the bolded part. It made me laugh.


Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 4:14pm
Choopie, you said you can use many points to discredit me.


Go ahead, it worked so well for you in the police abuse topic a few weeks ago.

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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 4:16pm
No I said you discredited yourself.


Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 4:26pm
Lets see;

I never said alcohol didn't have it's own problems.

I never said there weren't any good aspects to marijuana.

I never said other drugs were saints either.

I never said marijuana should be completely and utterly 100% outlawed.


2 threads now, you're arguing with me on something just because you can. Yeah... I'm the discredited one.

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Posted By: Destruction
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 4:37pm
Yes, actually, you CAN get buzzed on marijuana. You want to know how? By smoking a small amount, just like how you can get buzzed on alcohol by drinking a small amount. Simple as that.

Edit: Maybe someone could clear this up for me. Are we bein lied tah or wat?

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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 4:44pm
I'm not arguing with you, I said that you discredited yourself, and it made me laugh. I laughed at you because of some silly things you said, thats all :)


Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 4:44pm
Originally posted by Destruction Destruction wrote:

Yes, actually, you CAN get buzzed on marijuana. You want to know how? By smoking a small amount, just like how you can get buzzed on alcohol by drinking a small amount. Simple as that.



Going by textbook definitions here, as that's what the forum always does until semantics gets called in to play;

High = euphoria. Buzz = slight intoxication. I have yet to see or hear anyone get slightly intoxicated on marijuana. You either have the euphoric feeling or you do not.


Now, throw semantics and slang into the picture, then yes, marijuana can "buzz you" just as well as alcohol can get you "high", but again, slang =/= what I was speaking of.





But, even if you disagree with the wording in that one sentence, that doesn't discredit or change a single thing in the rest of the post.

And again, Choop, point out said discrediting phrases. If you're going to cite them, might as well prove it.

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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 4:49pm
Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:


High = euphoria. Buzz = slight intoxication. I have yet to see or hear anyone get slightly intoxicated on marijuana. You either have the euphoric feeling or you do not.

And again, Choop, point out said discrediting phrases. If you're going to cite them, might as well prove it.


Well I didn't have to look far did I Linus? I can tell you again you're WAY off on that statement.


Posted By: oreomann33
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 4:53pm
EVERYDAY

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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 4:55pm
Originally posted by choopie911 choopie911 wrote:

Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:


High = euphoria. Buzz = slight intoxication. I have yet to see or hear anyone get slightly intoxicated on marijuana. You either have the euphoric feeling or you do not.

And again, Choop, point out said discrediting phrases. If you're going to cite them, might as well prove it.


Well I didn't have to look far did I Linus? I can tell you again you're WAY off on that statement.



This is the thing about you chewp; You never make an attempt to prove why you're right or why someone else is wrong.

I'd actually pay attention to you if you used as much effort at proving me wrong as you did at saying I'm wrong, but not showing why other than a quote and "See right there".


Let me put the phrase in question in another form; When it comes to money, you either have it or you don't. There is no inbetween. You can't "kind of have money"

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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 5:03pm
Sorry, I just thought it would be common sense that marijuana doesn't work like a lightswitch. It's not like you're sober, or you're high as a kite making 5 layer sandwiches. You can very well be "buzzed" by simply ingesting less, like every substance. As someone else said, think of alcohol. You want less of an effect, you ingest less. Same goes for marijuana. And you also said that 1 can of beer does nothing, 1 joint makes you high. Yes, for some people. For some people they can smoke a joint and be buzzed, just like some super lightweight drinkers, or those that react negatively to alcohol will feel a buzz MUCH faster than those with a higher tolerance for alcohol.

Sorry for not having a link to copy and paste here, this is just going from all of the smokers I've known, talked to, hung out with, times I partook, etc.


Posted By: new jersey
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 5:43pm
I wonder if Linus can ever post without the whole forum argueing with him.


Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 5:46pm
Originally posted by oreomann33 oreomann33 wrote:

EVERYDAY


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Posted By: TheWrAith
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 5:49pm
< Is surprised this thread got this far this quick...

 Also did anyone click my link? he made some good points in the interview...

 Sounds like a few people here need to spark something up after a stressful day...

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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 5:56pm
Linus is going to be the kind of cop that you hear about on the news who beat up a six year old girl for spitting on him.

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Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 5:57pm
You know FE, there is evidence showing Jesus used cannabis extract as a part of his healing process.

Selective morality indeed.


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