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Topic: Lol Boston Tea Party
Posted By: jmac3
Subject: Lol Boston Tea Party
Date Posted: 15 April 2009 at 12:55pm
I am watching this on Fox news and it is hilarious.

The Guy was spewing about facism and whatever other nonsense.

One of the signs says "Born Free, Taxed to Death"

You should just watch to see if there is any news on one of these because it's awesome.


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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 15 April 2009 at 1:06pm
Fascism, yep. Taxation without representation, yup.

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Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 15 April 2009 at 1:10pm
You know, I probably wouldn't think this is so retarded if they weren't complaining about taxation so much.

I am listening to these two 15 year old kids right now talking about how he wants to pay less taxes and doesn't want to pay for other people.....



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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 15 April 2009 at 1:12pm
I guess they don't like things like roads.

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Posted By: Peter Parker
Date Posted: 15 April 2009 at 1:24pm
Also watching.  These "tea parties" make me want to laugh at their silliness, and cry for their lack of historical understanding.


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Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 15 April 2009 at 1:27pm



LOL


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Posted By: mbro
Date Posted: 15 April 2009 at 1:31pm
http://search.twitter.com/search?q=%23teaparty - Check out the craziness live on twitter. I've been having fun reading their comments.

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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 15 April 2009 at 1:32pm
It's a damn shame that all these people were held down and couldn't vote last November.


Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 15 April 2009 at 1:39pm
I just got back from the tea party in Cincy... Looked to be about 6-7,000 people and 3 protestors... I stood next to them of course, and watched as every single media outlet in the area came over to interview them... Radio, paper and tv...
 
 
self photo...
 


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Posted By: mbro
Date Posted: 15 April 2009 at 1:46pm
/\ I'm shocked

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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 15 April 2009 at 1:49pm
I thought not having representation at all was different from not having the representation you wanted because the people you voted for lost due to intense suckage.

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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 15 April 2009 at 1:49pm
Whale, of course these people could vote last november. So could the people standing on the corners of one of the nearby town screaming "Impeach Bush now" a few summers ago. Just because a vote is cast doesn't mean that that gets to be the end of public declaration of opinion.

There's a local one tonight, I don't imagine more than a hundred or so people showing up to it. My father and I are contemplating checking it out- out of curiosity more so than anything else, but that's assuming I don't have anything better to do.

*Edit*

Though, yes, on the whole I do think these things are pretty silly. I laughed at the Bush Protesters, this is just as laughable.


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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 15 April 2009 at 2:58pm
Originally posted by Reb Cpl Reb Cpl wrote:

Whale, of course these people could vote last november. So could the people standing on the corners of one of the nearby town screaming "Impeach Bush now" a few summers ago.



That's not the point. The people holding "Impeach Bush" signs were not forming their protests and supposed plight off of a legendary movement that was a show against taxation without representation and then swearing up and down that their movements were the same. You did train to be a social sciences teacher, no?

Unless Obama sent big angry men to tie them all to chairs on election day, they all had the chance to vote, and like the person who is doing it or not, they do have elected representation.

Both the "Impeach Bush" people and the teabaggers are silly, but at least be historically accurate while being silly.

On a less related note, at some point, "Well people who didn't like Bush did it!" has to stop being an excuse to whine and pitch fits. Surely there is a statute of limitations or something.





Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 15 April 2009 at 3:02pm
So, my local politician John Boehner, who was litterally locked out of the drafting of the stimulus bill by pelosi.
 
Therefore, my rep had no ability to represent me...
 
 
What is your argument?
 
Your reaching. And you will pay for the spending the government is doing right now... For the rest of your life... On top of what they need in the future.
 
 
 
 
Better question, why aren't you out covering this story?
 
never mind...


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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 15 April 2009 at 3:04pm
Originally posted by agentwhale007 agentwhale007 wrote:

On a less related note, at some point, "Well people who didn't like Bush did it!" has to stop being an excuse to whine and pitch fits. Surely there is a statute of limitations or something.


I agree, the people who are doing this should forfeit their right to protest . . . after they have done so for exactly as long as the anti-Bush crowd did.


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Posted By: Peter Parker
Date Posted: 15 April 2009 at 3:18pm
Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

So, my local politician John Boehner, who was litterally locked out of the drafting of the stimulus bill by pelosi.
 
Therefore, my rep had no ability to represent me...
 
 
What is your argument?
 
 
Did you have an opportunity to vote for or against Boehner?
 
Did Boehner have an opportunity to vote for or against the stimulus bill?
 
I believe the answer to both of those is yes - therefore you have representation.  Simple.
 
Your opinion was voted down.  That is different from not having a vote.
 


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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 15 April 2009 at 3:20pm
Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

So, my local politician John Boehner, who was litterally locked out of the drafting of the stimulus bill by pelosi.
 
Therefore, my rep had no ability to represent me...
 
Citation please? I'm looking this up now, but from what I can find it appears as if he missed a late-night planning session for the conference report.

I think it's unfortunate if this is the case, but he still has a vote in the House, and still had the ability to go to other planning sessions. It's not like his vote doesn't count when it comes to the approval of the bill. I will gladly take any links you can provide on the subject.
 
Quote What is your argument?
 
Your reaching.


I clearly stated my argument in my post. I'm not entirely sure you understand what "reaching" means.

 
Quote And you will pay for the spending the government is doing right now... For the rest of your life... On top of what they need in the future.


That's what happens when we spend. How long of a time did it take to pay off debts from the spending during the New Deal and WWII that got us out of our first depression? I honestly don't know, but I think it is worth comparison. The country deals in debts. It's just the way it works.
 
 
 
 
Quote Better question, why aren't you out covering this story?


Because we already have a reporter working on it who will send me the brief for the Web site later.
 
Quote never mind...


What?


Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 15 April 2009 at 3:37pm

more pics.

during the march, in front of city hall

City Hall, for some reason none of the elected officials could be bothered to come out and talk to the people...

 

Fountain square


Our government doesn't care about us, they just want our money, and our kids money, and their kids money, so they can spend it TODAY...



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Posted By: Destruction
Date Posted: 15 April 2009 at 3:56pm
There's a lot of gray hair in that crowd.

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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 15 April 2009 at 4:21pm
Originally posted by Destruction Destruction wrote:

There's a lot of gray hair in that crowd.

Exactly what I thought.


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Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Date Posted: 15 April 2009 at 4:25pm
Younger doesn't mean smarter. Older people have a lot of experience.


Posted By: Peter Parker
Date Posted: 15 April 2009 at 4:32pm
Originally posted by Mack Mack wrote:

I thought not having representation at all was different from not having the representation you wanted because the people you voted for lost due to intense suckage.
 
This stands to be repeated.
 


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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 15 April 2009 at 5:28pm
I'm all for free speech, but wouldn't life be so much better if all these idiots just got firebombed? The national IQ average would sure go up.


Posted By: bravecoward
Date Posted: 15 April 2009 at 5:38pm
Man ive been to all the places in FE's pictures, creepy.

I bet you listen to 700 WLW dont you


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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 15 April 2009 at 6:00pm
Originally posted by agentwhale007 agentwhale007 wrote:



On a less related note, at some point, "Well people who didn't like Bush did it!" has to stop being an excuse to whine and pitch fits. Surely there is a statute of limitations or something.



Seriously? That smacks of  "Can give it but can't take it." Its whining and pitching fits now, back then it was nothing more than exercising one's rights to protest.  A statute of limitations? 80 days? Its not time enough to criticize  Obama, but its certainly enough time to stop referring to the vehement protests against the policies of the last administration?

I didn't end up going to the local one for a bunch of reasons. Largely because you're right, taking a monumental event in American history and mangling it to fit a cranky agenda offends me.


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Posted By: Evil Elvis
Date Posted: 15 April 2009 at 8:43pm
Most of the people interviewed seemed to be displeased with the government spending programs and the direction the current administration is taking in the financial crisis.

While Federal Taxes might be all for the working man. US here in Mass are under assault from Beacon Hill. JMac, you as a barely employed single man should be feeling the Hurt with Democratic Governor and Obama's pal Deval Patric proposed Tax hike, Transportation Agencies Mishandling and of course appointing Political buddies to high paid redundant state jobs.

Thou of course while the tax parties wasn't rallied by any political party. Just by people who are sick and tired of the way the government is doing things.

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Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 15 April 2009 at 8:50pm
EE, I am sure I will feel it when I stop getting 1,000+ dollars back on my taxes each year.

2007 return: $2,500
2008 return: $1,100

Also, I don't necessarily think Mass. taxes are all that high. I do think their spending of it is ridiculous.

As I have said on numerous occasions when I hear someone say "We need to raise gas taxes or the roads won't be fixed" I just have to facepalm. I drive around through potholes and bust up my car, and then I go to New Hampshire with no income tax and their roads are like perfect.(Property tax is higher I believe).


This is not reason for me to call no taxes. Not reason for me to compare us being taxed these days to the revolution when it was taxation without representation.


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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 15 April 2009 at 8:50pm
"I'm all for free speech, but wouldn't life be so much better if all these idiots just got firebombed? The national IQ average would sure go up." again our resident bigot speaks up, with proof of the new agenda and the typical left response, violence. If you do not agree with us, we can kill you is a stupid response.

Spending more money in 2 years than the entire time between 1781-2008 is not fiscally responsible, and how are we to pay for this, generations not born yet taxed. Now add national healthcare, and tell America you are not going to raise taxes? Anyone of you geniuses ever run a checkbook, obviously Obama does not understand the concept, nor does Congress, and that is what the "Tea Parties" are about.

The idea to break from Britian began with a protest against taxation, and the colonies being ignored in Parliment. Now we the people are being ignored in Congress, as they spend and spend and spend, and demand that we continue to pay for this folly. Is this what the Obama voters envisioned, for even Liberal Democrats are supposed to pay taxes (even though as we see the majority of Obama appointees have a problem with that little issue). Jmac3 and others, once you are trying to run a family, balancing job, and demands from your kids, planning for thier education, paying the bills, and then watching your tax bill rise, and you are now paying more than the current average of 56% in all taxes combined, how happy are you going to be?

Voter remorse is beginning as many a Democrat have found that Obama and the Democrat led Congress is not what they envisioned. And that "Checks and Balances" Democrats screamed about during the Bush administration is now forgotten, we have the power and we will abuse it as we see fit, and there is nothing the other party can do about it, is not a way to run any government.

I am all for "tea parties", and to qoute a famous Liberal Democrat Harold Zinn: "Dissent is the greatest form of Patriotism"

I was at Lincoln's "Tea Party", a success in every sense of the word, Americans in a peacefull demonstration using thier legal rights of free speech and freedom of assembly.

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Posted By: Evil Elvis
Date Posted: 15 April 2009 at 9:01pm
Jmac My view is different as a Homeowner than someone who rents.

I pay Property taxes, Excise Taxes on my vehicles to use the roads, I pay Income taxes on the money I make. I pay a Sales Tax on the things I buy. I pay a Gas Tax that also supposed to pay for the same roads my Excise tax is supposed to pay for. I pay taxes on my Sammie A's.

Now the government says that Tax revenue is down. So instead of consolidating the 5 redundant State Highway and Road Management agencies. He decides to raise our Tax to the highest ever in the Nation. Just to pay for the Goat Rodeo that was the Nation's costliest road project the Big Dig.

Can you blame those people for being pissed off?

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Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 15 April 2009 at 9:08pm
EE, I don't disagree, but you realize this isn't just Mass though right? It is in like every state with significantly lower state taxes.

If it was just for mass, I would agree with protesting of raising taxes.

The only thing I don't pay on your list is property tax(and sales tax half the time..NH FTW), though I do pay quite a bit less I am sure.




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Posted By: Peter Parker
Date Posted: 15 April 2009 at 10:06pm
Originally posted by jmac3 jmac3 wrote:


The only thing I don't pay on your list is property tax
 
Sure you do.  If you pay rent, you are paying property taxes.  Just indirectly, that's all.
 


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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 15 April 2009 at 10:07pm
Originally posted by oldsoldier oldsoldier wrote:

"I'm all for free speech, but wouldn't life be so much better if all these idiots just got firebombed? The national IQ average would sure go up." again our resident bigot speaks up, with proof of the new agenda . . .

I think classifying the statement as proof of a liberal agenda is overstating the situation.  I took it as merely an example of the arrogance of someone who assumes they are always right and that those who disagree should have no rights.

. . . and the typical left response, violence. If you do not agree with us, we can kill you is a stupid response.

It is a stupid response, but it was more wishful thinking than a threat.  Of course, that does nothing to lessen the hypocrisy of only believing that speech you agree with should be allowed.


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Posted By: Peter Parker
Date Posted: 15 April 2009 at 10:11pm
Originally posted by Evil Elvis Evil Elvis wrote:

He decides to raise our Tax to the highest ever in the Nation.
 
Although OS' total tax burden number is a bit of statistics abuse, focusing solely on tax rates is a mistake - particularly at the state level, where other taxes are such a big part of the overall picture.
 
While Mass' income tax may be relatively high, by most counts I know, the overall tax burden is pretty low compared to most states, and well below where it was a few years ago in Massachusetts.
 
As with all things tax, it depends on how you count, but by most meaningful measures your relative state/local tax burden isn't that high, all things considered.
 


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Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 15 April 2009 at 10:24pm
I don't even rent Peter.

Anyway, have you been to Mass? The roads are so incredibly bad and the governor says we can't fix them without raising taxes. There is a ridiculous amount of police on highways. I was driving down the mass pike one day and counted 12 staties on either side from  I95-Springfield. That is about an hour ride, on a Sunday morning. Yes I know alot of the tax complaints by me are because of the roads, but that is because of how bad they are.

There are also police details every time there is road work.

Dated article, but whatever.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2007/02/07/pay_exceeds_140000_for_hundreds_of_troopers/ - State Troopers pay

"Last year, 60 State Police officers earned more than $40,000 working details. Massachusetts is the only state to automatically assign state and local police officers to nearly all road and utility work sites, instead of less expensive civilian flag persons.The pay totals do not include money earned by officers working construction details paid for by the Massachusetts Turnpike Authority and the Massachusetts Port Authority. "

Oh and not to mention an easy way to qualify for Masshealth is to be a drug addict in a recovery program and applying.


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Posted By: Peter Parker
Date Posted: 15 April 2009 at 11:05pm
Originally posted by oldsoldier oldsoldier wrote:

"I'm all for free speech, but wouldn't life be so much better if all these idiots just got firebombed? The national IQ average would sure go up." again our resident bigot speaks up, with proof of the new agenda and the typical left response, violence. If you do not agree with us, we can kill you is a stupid response.
 
I think it is pretty obvious that Choopie was simply insulting the intelligence of tea party participants.  For you to take this as an actual threat is silly.  And what is this "agenda" of which you speak?  I must not have gotten the memo.
 

Quote Spending more money in 2 years than the entire time between 1781-2008 is not fiscally responsible
 
This is a meaningless statement.  First off, I will randomly guess that your source is counting all of the money AUTHORIZED as actually SPENT - when those are in fact quite different things.
 
Moreover, I will guess that your source is disregarding inflation.
 
But even accounting for those things, I suspect that you could take almost any 2-3 year period in the history of the US and get the same result, as in "spent more during years x to x+1/2 than total since 1781".  This is not a function of the current Congress, but a function of time.
 
Take a look at this chart for instance:  http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/downchart_gs.php?year=1792_2014&view=1&expand=&units=k&fy=fy10&chart=F1-total&stack=1&size=m&title=Total&state=US&col=c - http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/downchart_gs.php?year=1792_2014&view=1&expand=&units=k&fy=fy10&chart=F1-total&stack=1&size=m&title=Total&state=US&col=c
 
That chart IS adjusted for inflation.  It is easy to see how steep the spending increase is, on a continuous basis.  That little blip towards the right end of the screen?  That would be the current stimulus packages.  Compare that to the giant mountain during WWII.  Adjusted for everything, this spending package is a pimple compared to the massive spending increase during the 40s.
 
So, randomly taking numbers out of historical context is bad statistics abuse.  Don't abuse the poor statistics.
 
Moreover, looking at spending numbers in a vacuum is of course also silly.  You should at least compare to the GDP or Federal revenue, or something.  And even after that, a flat statement that spending more than X is fiscally irresponsible is very silly indeed.  While I was in school, I spent a very large multiple of my income.  In fact, each year I spent many times my then-total lifetime income.  I did this for many years, and I borrowed money to do so.  I graduated deeply in debt.  By your measure that would clearly be fiscally irresponsible.  I considered it an investment.
 
Context is important.  Looking at the ledgers alone is meaningless.
 
 
Quote and how are we to pay for this, generations not born yet taxed.
 
Again some historical context is required.  Look back at my chart, and look at the massive spending spike during WWII.  That was also borrowed money, and (relatively speaking) a far more violent fiscal upheaval than we are dealing with now.  It was in fact for by taxes, but it was paid, and the government and the country recovered.  The years after WWII are often considered some of the best and most productive years in American history, and they laid the foundation for our modern economy.  And they did that while paying income taxes that make today's taxes look like heaven.
 
 
Quote  Now add national healthcare, and tell America you are not going to raise taxes?
 
Looking at taxes in a vacuum is no more meaningful than looking at expenses in a vacuum.  Our taxes will go up to pay for healthcare, but our personal premiums will go down.  On a per capita basis, Americans pay more for healthcare than anybody else in the world - certainly far more than European nations with socialized healthcare.  If done right, neationalized healthcare would cause total expenses to go down, and that is a more important measure than taxes alone.
 
 
Quote Anyone of you geniuses ever run a checkbook
 
Checkbook?  I stopped writing checks a decade ago.  Checks do not provide for nearly the level of financial control and information that I require.  If you are still dropping checks in the mail, I would suggest that you are not in a position to complain about the fiscal irresponsibility of others.
 
 
Quote obviously Obama does not understand the concept, nor does Congress
 
I somehow suspect that Barack Obama's grasp of finances is greater than yours.
 
 
Quote and that is what the "Tea Parties" are about.
 
Really?  They forgot to tell Glenn Beck.  According to him, it is about labor union card check rules, about immigration, and a bunch of other things not particularly related to checkbook balancing.  And according to a bunch of people interviewed by Fox News, it is about California state taxes, or withdrawing from Iraq, or gay marriage, or about voters who don't like what their representatives are doing, or god knows what else. 

Quote The idea to break from Britian began with a protest against taxation, and the colonies being ignored in Parliment.
 
Interesting comma placement.  I believe the actual issue was "taxation WITHOUT representation," not "(a) taxes, and (b) no representation."  One gripe, not two.  Moreover, as Mack pointed out, not having representation in Parliament/Congress is quite different from not liking what your fairly elected representative is doing.  The comparison of these whinefests to the Boston Tea Party is an insult to American history.
 
 
Quote Now we the people are being ignored in Congress, as they spend and spend and spend, and demand that we continue to pay for this folly.
 
Who are these "we" of which you speak?  Congress' approval rating is low to be sure, but it is always low.  It is, however, rising.  http://www.pollingreport.com/CongJob1.htm - This summary report shows an approval rating increase of more than 50% during the past twelve months.
 
The various stimulus packages have had mixed support, but they are all generally more popular than, say, the war in Iraq.  But, as GW liked to remind us, it is the job of the President to do what is right, not what is popular.
 
And I seem to recall you specifically complaining about Bill Clinton governing by poll.
 
 
Quote Is this what the Obama voters envisioned
 
I can't speak for the Obama voters, but so far Obama is pretty much sticking to what he said he was going to do.  The biggest departures from stated policy are actually moves toward the GOP position on some issues.  If anybody is surprised at Obama's economic actions so far, then they are fools.
 
 
Quote Jmac3 and others, once you are trying to run a family, balancing job, and demands from your kids, planning for thier education, paying the bills, and then watching your tax bill rise, and you are now paying more than the current average of 56% in all taxes combined, how happy are you going to be?
 
As it turns out, I to try to do all those things.  I dislike paying taxes as much as the next guy, but I would rather pay taxes than watch the economy collapse.  I thought the Bush tax cuts were foolish, even as they reduced my personal tax bill.  A true patriot supports what is best for the country, not what is best for his pocketbook.

Moreover, our current tax burden isn't that bad, relatively speaking.  As I hinted at above, income tax rates used to be drastically higher than they are now.  Current top bracket Federal rate is 35%.  For most of the income tax history of the country, the top rate was 70% or higher.  I think it maxed out at 94% for a couple of years.  For people to riot over raising the top rate by 3-4% is silly.
 
 
Quote Voter remorse is beginning as many a Democrat have found that Obama and the Democrat led Congress is not what they envisioned.
 
Really?  Obama's popularity numbers seem pretty solid.
 

Quote to qoute a famous Liberal Democrat Harold Zinn: "Dissent is the greatest form of Patriotism"
 
That is twice in a week now you have thrown that quote out there.  I do not recall you using it even once during the eight years of the prior administration.
 
 


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Posted By: Peter Parker
Date Posted: 15 April 2009 at 11:14pm
Originally posted by jmac3 jmac3 wrote:

I don't even rent Peter.
 
Ah - when then you don't pay property taxes.  Nicely done.

Quote Anyway, have you been to Mass? The roads are so incredibly bad and the governor says we can't fix them without raising taxes.
 
It's been a while since I have driven there, but I never thought the roads were particularly bad.  But I'll take your word for it.
 
But the real point is that most states have more or less the same level of expenses per capita.  Roads that are a little worse or a little better are just marginal differences. 
 
 


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Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 15 April 2009 at 11:16pm
Originally posted by Peter Parker Peter Parker wrote:

 
It's been a while since I have driven there, but I never thought the roads were particularly bad.  But I'll take your word for it.



I legit want to go take some pictures now of roads that have NEVER been fixed. It is disgusting.


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Posted By: Evil Elvis
Date Posted: 15 April 2009 at 11:45pm
Peter, I was talking about the Gasoline Tax. It's proposed to be raised to .69 cents per gallon.

You missed my Point in all of this. I don't mind paying taxes. What I do mind is having my taxes raised because of Politicians (Democrats and Republicans) who on the east side of the State are running the state into the dirt. While most communities outside the Boston Metropolitan Area have lay offs and have cut services. You have 5 Highway management Agencies in that Area. An Average Toll Collector makes 70K a year. (source Boston Globe) Throw in Pensions and Benefits and you have Million probably Billions of wasted money. When this can be automated or hire someone at regular wages.

I wont even go into the High profile Six figure Jobs that some of Deval Patrick's Friends have landed even after he has laid off dozens of people for shortfall of money.

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Posted By: mbro
Date Posted: 16 April 2009 at 12:04am
Originally posted by jmac3 jmac3 wrote:


Originally posted by Peter Parker Peter Parker wrote:

 

It's been a while since I have driven there, but I never thought the roads were particularly bad.  But I'll take your word for it.
I legit want to go take some pictures now of roads that have NEVER been fixed. It is disgusting.
Last time I was back home for spring break I was reading the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel (did whale get theinternship there?) and there was an article on road repairs per alderman district, some roads in that city hadn't been repaved in over 40 years. The pics along with the article were shocking, some of which were near my sisters apartment. I thought it was bad in my current city in northern wisconsin that is in a perpetual state of road construction, the pics there with complete neglect were ridiculous.


yadda yadda yadda, all roads suck, especially in colder areas their are just degrees of suckitude.

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Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 16 April 2009 at 12:18am
The micro-chip in your inspection sticker to track and tax mileage was a little too much for me. Patrick is a clown. I hope he drives his new Caddy out here more often and sees what our roads are like while bouncing his fillings out. He an President Obama share political strategies. Ask for a major gas tax hike? Just get your picture taken with a bear cub! Order a bunch of pirates shot it the face by Navy SEALS? Finally get your daughters that puppy! Great use of distractions from serious matters. This state wastes money like no tomorrow with rude toll-takers on the Pike getting paid to be snotty and play with themselves all day on sections that don't have a toll. And of course the unions make sure flaggers at construction sites would cost just as much as the police...We're getting rooked hard at the state and local level with little to show for it., makes me wonder at what point  my grandparents will run out of money to pay property taxes. I can see how people in other states can not want what we have.

As for the right-wing nuts comparing the President to Hitler, if you're that convinced that's the case, don't go pulling a Marinus van der Lubbe. the Secret Service flipped out over tea being thrown over the white house fence. Now if it were one of John Kerry's medals it might have the potential to cause some harm, like a fat lip.




Posted By: mbro
Date Posted: 16 April 2009 at 12:50am
Originally posted by rednekk98 rednekk98 wrote:

Order a bunch of pirates shot it the face by Navy SEALS? Finally get your daughters that puppy! Great use of distractions from serious matters.
Really?

If I were Obama I would be playing up the fact that I got me some pirate scalps considering that he is the guy who "negotiates with terrorists."

Then again what do I know.

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Posted By: Heres To You
Date Posted: 16 April 2009 at 3:17am
Man, I love the fact that this forum has changed at all...  Other than people now being able to communicate their biased opinions with better grammar and writing styles (on both sides, left and right), it's exactly the same as it was three years ago...

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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 16 April 2009 at 7:59am
I was interviewed and put on the local NPR last night WVXU.
 
Here is the written article.
 
http://www.wvxu.org/news/wvxunews_article.asp?ID=6333 - http://www.wvxu.org/news/wvxunews_article.asp?ID=6333
 
 
 
Behind me are the protestors who were protesting the protest... that the media had a ball covering...
 
It was funny because I was there, and stood next to the protestors the entire time, and watched as every single media outlet came over to cover them over, and over, and over, and over...
 
Then they lied nationally about how many protestors there were... Not surpising from the biased liberal media.
 
"There were several small counter-protests, including one that drew about a dozen people at Fountain Square in Cincinnati. A counter-protester held a sign that read, "Where were you when Bush was spending billions a month 'liberating' Iraq?" The anti-tax demonstration there, meanwhile, drew about 4,000 people. "
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30227452/page/2/ - http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30227452/page/2/
 
So, I guess 3 = 12 to the media...
 
 


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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 16 April 2009 at 8:09am
more examples of biased reporting...
 
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/04/15/business/econwatch/entry4948053.shtml - http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/04/15/business/econwatch/entry4948053.shtml
 
Reports the AP: "There were several small counter-protests, including one in at Fountain Square in Cincinnati, where about a dozen people protested the protesters, one carrying a sign that read, 'Where were you when Bush was spending billions a month "liberating" Iraq?'"
 
Good to see that 3 = 12... Too bad I took pics, and was there...
 
 

 


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Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 16 April 2009 at 8:50am
That isn't really biased reporting. That is uninformed reporting. Also, you weren't there all day.

Rednekk, seriously? He didn't order a bunch of pirates shot in the face. He probably said something along the lines of "Do what needs to be done" while they were trying to end a hostage situation by armed men. I like how apparently terrorists are going to destroy our country because Obama wants to talk, but when he is credited with giving an order of action you people still complain.

Neither the white house nor the Obama's released the dog information to make it headline news. Some crazy retarded news organizations decided it was relevant for some reason.

The secret service has a right to flip out about anything being tossed over the fence. I would have said this even for Bush. You don't just toss stuff over the fence, they can't inspect and don't know what it is.


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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 16 April 2009 at 8:56am
Yeah, how you like them apples...
 
http://www.journal-news.com/news/hamilton-news/tea-parties-bring-out-tax-protesters-82948.html - http://www.journal-news.com/news/hamilton-news/tea-parties-bring-out-tax-protesters-82948.html
 


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Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 16 April 2009 at 9:03am
Oh and I am going to quote myself from last night:


"jmacsucks> i love how these people all show up and chant  "USA USA USA" and tomorrow theyll go to work and pay their taxes and not say *stuff*
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 16 April 2009 at 9:14am
Are you positive that there were not more counter-protesters in another area?

It's only RAWRBIASMEDIA because you don't like the fact they even talked to the counter-protesters.


Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 16 April 2009 at 9:33am
I don't appreciate you trying to paint me as a raving lunatic, whale...
 
You should know better, Oh, wait, your a liberal media editor... And yes, these were the only protesters. I had tons of friends there covering the entire event... The protesters stood in a group, next to the road, to get the maximum media exposure, I stood next to them from the time they arrived at about 11:40 until they left and scattered to this line I heard one of them say "I gosta put money in the meter, I can't afford another parking ticket"...
 
There were three that stayed, One guy came and yelled for about 5 minutes, until I explained that the tea party had nothing to do with Obama, it was about the massive spending that BOTH parties have been doing for ages... He realized he agreed and then he left...
 
 
 


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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 16 April 2009 at 9:38am
http://www.oxfordpress.com/news/oxford-news/tea-parties-bring-out-tax-protesters-82948.html - http://www.oxfordpress.com/news/oxford-news/tea-parties-bring-out-tax-protesters-82948.html
 
http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/dayton-news/dayton-tea-party-rally-one-of-many-across-the-country-83091.html - http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/dayton-news/dayton-tea-party-rally-one-of-many-across-the-country-83091.html
 
 
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Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 16 April 2009 at 9:43am
Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

I don't appreciate you trying to paint me as a raving lunatic, whale...
 
Yeah, it's all Whale ... lol.


Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 16 April 2009 at 9:51am
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 16 April 2009 at 9:58am
Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

I don't appreciate you trying to paint me as a raving lunatic, whale...
 
You should know better, Oh, wait, your a liberal media editor...


...sigh...


Quote And yes, these were the only protesters.


The whole reason I ask is because so far I have read three different news reports about the Cincinnati protest, and they all say that there were about a dozen more or less people counter-protesting.

Now, either 1) you are being genuinely dishonest about the amount of counter-protesters, 2) there were more counter-protesters than you happened to see in other locations...

...OR...

3) this really is part of the OMGLIBERALMEDIA and all the reporters got together at Applebees (our favorite meeting spot, for those in the OMGLIBERALMEDIA club) beforehand and decided that they would all fudge the numbers by taking the actual number of counter-protesters and multiplying it by four.

....Or what likely happened if this is indeed a mistake (Take note anyone who is interested in the goings-on of the media) what probably happened is what is called "Wire doubt."

Here's how it works.

The Associated Press reporter who was on the scene got the report filed first, before any local print media or radio had time to copy edit or cut tape. Because most newsrooms have access to the Associate Press wire feed, they whoever was copy editing the story for another news source was probably reading the Associated Press wire story too, and noticed that the AP guy said "about a dozen."

Now, because the AP reporters are usually considered to be the cream of the crop as far as print journalists go, the copy and desk editor is going to be more inclined to believe the AP and change the story. It's frustrating and it pisses off the field writers to no end. I know, I have been on the other end of "Wire doubt" before. Now, because the reporter for the other media outlet is still out in the crowd reporting he has no idea that the editors changed his story.

The end result: One AP reporter makes a mistake and it gets perpetuated.

If this is indeed a mistake, FE, that's probably how it happened. It's not some sinister bias plot, it's just people working in a hurry and making dumb calls.

Quote I had tons of friends there covering the entire event...


For whom?

Quote There were three that stayed


So, there were not just three originally. Now we are onto something.

How many were there originally?


Quote "I gosta put money in the meter, I can't afford another parking ticket"...


You do get that stuff like this is why people don't take you seriously, right?
 



Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 16 April 2009 at 10:00am
Lincoln had it's "Tea Party" and a successfull event. Just a few counter protesters throwing wet teabags at those entering the Lancaster Event Center. Real adult behavior from the "radical left wing", a violent approach to a legal right of freedom of speech and freedom of assembly. Fun part was the screaming from the one woman the police arrested for throwing wet teabags, it was a violation of her rights, etc. Now who is the more radical, the well behaved attendees of the "Tea Party" or the "radical left wing" group throwing teabags and screaming insults at the attendees entering the building.

I wish I had my camera, but I was on the flag line and unable to get any pictures. It was funny though, a group of bikers holding American flags, facing a "unique" looking group of "radical left wing" agitators, who were acting like spoiled children.

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Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 16 April 2009 at 10:45am
So, you don't like your high taxes...

...but you also want the deficit to go away?

This. Strategy.  Does. Not. Work.

Unless you'd really like to stop spending on something really major, say, social security, Medicare and Medicaid, or the military.  And I don't mean cutting back -- I mean STOP spending.


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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 16 April 2009 at 10:52am
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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 16 April 2009 at 10:52am
Originally posted by agentwhale007 agentwhale007 wrote:

Are you positive that there were not more counter-protesters in another area?

It's only RAWRBIASMEDIA because you don't like the fact they even talked to the counter-protesters.


I know exactly the answer I'm going to get but:

If its not biased media coverage, how come this whole thing is being largely written off as a conservative wing nut movement rather than a legitimate exercise of first amendment rights?   


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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 16 April 2009 at 10:53am
Originally posted by ParielIsBack ParielIsBack wrote:

So, you don't like your high taxes...

...but you also want the deficit to go away?

This. Strategy.  Does. Not. Work.



"Out of money, spend more" isn't going to work either.


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Posted By: Peter Parker
Date Posted: 16 April 2009 at 10:55am
Originally posted by Evil Elvis Evil Elvis wrote:

Peter, I was talking about the Gasoline Tax. It's proposed to be raised to .69 cents per gallon.

You missed my Point in all of this.
 
Actually, I didn't so much miss your point as unfairly use your post as a prop to make an unrelated point of my own.  Not a very nice thing to do, but it was floating in the strike zone and I couldn't help myself.
 


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Posted By: Peter Parker
Date Posted: 16 April 2009 at 10:57am
Originally posted by rednekk98 rednekk98 wrote:

... don't go pulling a Marinus van der Lubbe.
 
Wow - nice.  Had to google that one.
 


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Posted By: Peter Parker
Date Posted: 16 April 2009 at 11:01am
Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

 
You should know better, Oh, wait, your a liberal media editor...  
 
Hey, look - Whale got upgraded.  Now at least he is officially part of the liberal media, as opposed to the pretender he was just a couple of months ago.
 
 


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Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 16 April 2009 at 11:02am
Originally posted by Reb Cpl Reb Cpl wrote:

Originally posted by ParielIsBack ParielIsBack wrote:

So, you don't like your high taxes...

...but you also want the deficit to go away?

This. Strategy.  Does. Not. Work.



"Out of money, spend more" isn't going to work either.


It's worked for the last 40 years -- although I agree, it's stupid.

The time to fix it certainly isn't when the economy tanks though.  It's a problem we should have started dealing with in the 90's, when we didn't have to spend a ton of money on hardware to fight the Soviets anymore.  We didn't, so we're stuck with it.  Now, if people can actually screw their heads on right when the economy recovers, maybe we can start dealing with this crap.  But I'm not holding out for it.

*EDIT* PP, you know...there is an edit button?  Holy three posts in a row Batman.


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Posted By: Peter Parker
Date Posted: 16 April 2009 at 11:04am
Originally posted by Reb Cpl Reb Cpl wrote:

how come this whole thing is being largely written off as a conservative wing nut movement rather than a legitimate exercise of first amendment rights?   
 
Do we have to choose?  It is clearly a legitimate exercise of first amendment rights, but it is also clearly a wingnut movement started by, supported by, promoted by, and mostly consisting of, the far right.
 
Wingnuts have first amendment rights too.
 
 
EDIT:
Originally posted by ParielIsBack ParielIsBack wrote:

*EDIT* PP, you know...there is an edit button?  Holy three posts in a row Batman.
 
I do edit regularly, but I am also not sure what the appropriate netiquette is.  When responding to three different people on three different subjects, should I combine into a single post?  That seems confusing.  On the other hand, 3-4 posts in a row is also annoying.
 
For complex subject threads like this one I tend to lean towards multi-posting, but I don't know what the best solution is.
 
 
EDIT EDIT:
Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

Front page!
 
That is pretty cool.


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Posted By: Peter Parker
Date Posted: 16 April 2009 at 11:11am
Originally posted by oldsoldier oldsoldier wrote:

Lincoln had it's "Tea Party" and a successfull event. Just a few counter protesters throwing wet teabags at those entering the Lancaster Event Center. Real adult behavior from the "radical left wing", a violent approach to a legal right of freedom of speech and freedom of assembly. .
 
Now here I have to agree, in a larger sense.  My evidence is entirely anecdotal, but my experience is that it is the lefties that are the champions of the "shout-down."  Lefty protesters routinely shout down or drown out unpopular speech from the right.  I have seen this in school, in public, and in person.  I am sure it happens from the right also, but it certainly seems skewed to me.
 
Part of this may be that college students do a lot of protesting and they lean left, so there is a disproportionate number of immature lefty protesters, but even so the trend has been anecdotally supported by my personal experiences.
 
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Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 16 April 2009 at 11:15am
Ahhh! He's doing it again!
 
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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 16 April 2009 at 11:44am
This is what started the "tea party".
 
 
 
 
I love how this has "spun" into a right wing conservative movement...
 
 
 
 


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Posted By: Peter Parker
Date Posted: 16 April 2009 at 12:01pm
Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

I love how this has "spun" into a right wing conservative movement...
  
 
From the taxdayteaparty website:
 
"The Tax Day Tea Party is a national collaborative grassroots effort organized by http://www.smartgirlpolitics.ning.com/ - Smart Girl Politics , http://www.topconservativesontwitter.com/ - Top Conservatives on Twitter , the http://www.dontgomovement.com/ - DontGo Movement and many other online groups/coalitions."
 
That's three for three for ultra-conservative organizations running the show. 
 
Then, just below:  "to expose the bankrupt liberal agenda of the White House Administration and Congress" - yep, those Democrats and liberals love to expose the bankrupt liberal agenda.
 
The "FAQ" link takes you to Rick Moran's website.
 
 
And so forth.
 
Yes, this was inspired by Santelli's idiotic rant.  But it was quickly grabbed by the far right, and they have been working very hard to spin it into some major grassroots movement.  Which it is not.
 
By Moran's estimates, maybe 200,000 people participated nationwide.  That is a TINY number for a nationwide coordinated effort.  TINY.  Certainly not representative of a majority opinion.
 
 
And here is a random link:  http://www.atlantateaparty.net/ - http://www.atlantateaparty.net/
Scroll down to the right, and look at the list of sponsors and donors.
 


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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 16 April 2009 at 12:13pm

What is this Tea Party effort all about?

The Tea Party effort is just a small piece of a much larger movement aimed at restoring the basic free-market principles our country was built on. The Constitution, for the most part, is being ignored by our current government and we intend on working together to correct the problem.

The Tea Party effort is a grassroots, collaborative volunteer organization made up of every day American citizens from across the country. We take pride in the fact that we've built a 50 state network of leaders and activists using nothing more than the internet, a few websites and a burning desire to restore freedom.

Last I checked, "Czar" isn't in the constitution...

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Posted By: Peter Parker
Date Posted: 16 April 2009 at 12:17pm
Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

What is this Tea Party effort all about?

The Tea Party effort is just a small piece of a much larger movement aimed at restoring the basic free-market principles our country was built on. The Constitution, for the most part, is being ignored by our current government and we intend on working together to correct the problem.

The Tea Party effort is a grassroots, collaborative volunteer organization made up of every day American citizens from across the country. We take pride in the fact that we've built a 50 state network of leaders and activists using nothing more than the internet, a few websites and a burning desire to restore freedom.

That right there is what we like to call "spin."
 
When you look at the people actually running the thing, organizing the thing, and paying for the thing, you get something else entirely. 
 
"They say they are a grassroots movement, therefore they are" is not a particularly persuasive argument.
 
 
Quote Last I checked, "Czar" isn't in the constitution...
 
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 16 April 2009 at 12:32pm
Originally posted by Reb Cpl Reb Cpl wrote:


If its not biased media coverage, how come this whole thing is being largely written off as a conservative wing nut movement rather than a legitimate exercise of first amendment rights?   


Links to legitimate news stories "writing it off" please? I have heard pundits making fun of it on TV. But not news stories.

Also, as PP has pointed out, it was a legitimate exercise of First Amendment rights. That doesn't mean the topics expressed - legally and freely - were any less moronic.




Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 16 April 2009 at 12:40pm
Originally posted by Peter Parker Peter Parker wrote:

When you look at the people actually running the thing, organizing the thing, and paying for the thing, you get something else entirely. 
 


You mean the nearly three-weeks worth of previews, massive pundit push and nearly 24 hour live coverage of the various protests on Fox News, including a massive designed "TEA PARTY 2009" banner nearly constantly present doesn't strike you as "grassroots?"


Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 16 April 2009 at 12:48pm
I for one LOVED the fox news coverage. hence this thread,

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Posted By: Peter Parker
Date Posted: 16 April 2009 at 1:03pm
Originally posted by jmac3 jmac3 wrote:

I for one LOVED the fox news coverage. hence this thread,

I think it is all I watched yesterday.


 
Me too.  It was hypnotic.
 
I particularly enjoyed Glenn Beck at the Alamo.  That was awesome.
 


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Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 16 April 2009 at 1:09pm
HAHAHA Glenn Beck at the Alamo.

TEXAS INDEPENDENCE!!!!!


I  liked Hannity with John Rich. Shutting down Detroit is a great song

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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 16 April 2009 at 1:48pm
A couple of the quotes from one of FEs links really bug me:

Originally posted by Article Article wrote:

Glen Mehltretter, who also attended the Fountain Square protest, said soaring taxes have prompted him to cut employees.

“As a small business owner I have had to let people go because our taxes are just way too high,” the Oxford man said. “We need to stop saddling our children in debt.””

I can't stand when people screw up cliches.  It's saddled with debt or drowning in debt.  Being saddled in debt makes no sense. Arrrrgh!

Originally posted by Article Article wrote:

“We didn’t see an outrage like this start during the Bush administration,” said Marjorie Moesley of Cincinnati. “We need to spend money to stabilize the economy.”


Yeah, cause spending money we don't have and increasing the tax burden on the companies that need to do well to improve the economy is exactly the way to fix the problem.

Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

best sign there...
 


I don't know what other signs were there, but that is pretty good.

Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

Front page!


The "Term Limits" sign in the big picture really bothers me as well.  I want to vote for the candidate of my choice without those choices being limited by artificially imposed limitations that set a maximum number of time that someone can run for office.  I consider any term limits to be a form of disenfranchisement and do not understand how they ever passed the constitutionality test.

Originally posted by Peter Parker Peter Parker wrote:

Originally posted by Reb Cpl Reb Cpl wrote:

how come this whole thing is being largely written off as a conservative wing nut movement rather than a legitimate exercise of first amendment rights?   
 
Do we have to choose?  It is clearly a legitimate exercise of first amendment rights, but it is also clearly a wingnut movement started by, supported by, promoted by, and mostly consisting of, the far right.
 
Wingnuts have first amendment rights too.


But should we even be using the term "wingnut?"  I feel compelled to point out that both the civil rights and war protesters of the '60s/'70s were considered with similar disdain at the time.
 
 
Originally posted by Peter Parker Peter Parker wrote:

EDIT:
Originally posted by ParielIsBack ParielIsBack wrote:

*EDIT* PP, you know...there is an edit button?  Holy three posts in a row Batman.
 
I do edit regularly, but I am also not sure what the appropriate netiquette is.  When responding to three different people on three different subjects, should I combine into a single post?  That seems confusing.  On the other hand, 3-4 posts in a row is also annoying.


What's confusing about it?  If I can do it correctly, anyone can.


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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 16 April 2009 at 1:56pm
Originally posted by Mack Mack wrote:

A couple of the quotes from one of FEs links really bug me:

Originally posted by Article Article wrote:

Glen Mehltretter, who also attended the Fountain Square protest, said soaring taxes have prompted him to cut employees.

“As a small business owner I have had to let people go because our taxes are just way too high,” the Oxford man said. “We need to stop saddling our children in debt.””

 

 
Actually, I didn't even say that...
 
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 16 April 2009 at 2:07pm
So did you not say that in the same way there were "only" three counter-protesters? 


Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 16 April 2009 at 2:13pm
Originally posted by Peter Parker Peter Parker wrote:

Originally posted by Mack Mack wrote:

I thought not having representation at all was different from not having the representation you wanted because the people you voted for lost due to intense suckage.
 
This stands to be repeated.
 


Since you repeated this, I should probably explain it a bit better.  I consider myself to be toward the right center politically but normally try to vote based on balancing the various issues I consider important.*  The end result is I almost never vote a straight party ticket but there are usually significantly more Republicans than Democrats marked on my ballot at the end of the day. 

The losers that the Republican Party chose to put forth in the last election resulted in my ballot having a pretty much reversed ratio of Democrats to Republicans when compared to what it normally has.  (It does help that our Democratic candidates up here would probably be moderate Republicans in most other states.)

*If everything is roughly even, I vote based on who told the least blatant and fewest lies during their campaign. (One of the reasons that President Obama didn't get my vote was an "omg the furiners are takin' our jobs" add that his campaign chose to run up here that contained some rather obvious misstatements and fact twisting.) 


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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 16 April 2009 at 2:13pm
Please... Look at the pics. Do you want the protesters names?
I wrote them down...
 
 
Here are the three that were there the whole time.
 
Marjorie Moesley
Franki Kidd
June Hill
 
Later Oscar Wright came and stayed for about 5 minutes, till I explained what the rally was about, then he realized he agreed and he left...
 
Oh, and Carol Bostick came to pick up Marjorie to take her home...
 
So 3 protesters, and 2 more that were there for 5 minutes out of the 1 1/2 hour rally...
 
And they all left when the march started... So they stayed for 30 minutes...
 
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 16 April 2009 at 2:31pm
Originally posted by agentwhale007 agentwhale007 wrote:


Now, either 1) you are being genuinely dishonest about the amount of counter-protesters,



Looks like I was correct about at least one of my points.


Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 16 April 2009 at 2:33pm
How so?  It sounds like there were three there.  You can't count the one that realized he had nothing to protest and you can't count the one who was just playing taxi.

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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 16 April 2009 at 2:41pm
Originally posted by Mack Mack wrote:

How so?  It sounds like there were three there.  You can't count the one that realized he had nothing to protest and you can't count the one who was just playing taxi.


Because they were there.





Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 16 April 2009 at 2:50pm
yeah, I see your point... Because 5 = about a dozen...
 
"There were several small counter-protests, including one in at Fountain Square in Cincinnati, where about a dozen people protested the protesters, one carrying a sign that read, "Where were you when Bush was spending billions a month 'liberating' Iraq?" The anti-tax demonstration, meanwhile, drew about 4,000 people."
 
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-04-15-anti-tax-protests_N.htm - http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-04-15-anti-tax-protests_N.htm
 
And they misquoted me, and showed these three people in every newscast and paper in the area...
 
Sounds non biased to me!
 
Arguing this when you weren't even there shows how biased you are concerning the media...


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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 16 April 2009 at 3:01pm
Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

 
Arguing this when you weren't even there shows how biased you are concerning the media...


Yes, the three paragraph explanation as to, if this was indeed an error reported by many different news agencies, how exactly something like this happens and how much it sucks, that was just a mirage.

An apparition.

A figment of all our imaginations.


Posted By: Peter Parker
Date Posted: 16 April 2009 at 3:02pm
Allow me to focus in on Whale's point...
 
Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

And they misquoted me
 
And misquoting you would, perhaps, constitute an honest mistake?
 
 


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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 16 April 2009 at 3:13pm
yeah, mistakes happen, especially with poor work ethic.
 
As someone who took media ethics classes in college, and journalism courses. I was embarrassed.
 
Whale, post your papers coverage, so we can see a non-biased article...


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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 16 April 2009 at 3:20pm
Originally posted by agentwhale007 agentwhale007 wrote:

if this was indeed an error reported by many different news agencies, how exactly something like this happens and how much it sucks, that was just a mirage.

An apparition.

A figment of all our imaginations.
 
Nice...
 
I proved it, and yet you still persist... typical...


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Posted By: Eville
Date Posted: 16 April 2009 at 3:42pm
... of you


Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 16 April 2009 at 3:55pm
Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

yeah, mistakes happen, especially with poor work ethic.


Amen to that. Trust me, I get as frustrated about lazy journalists as you do.

If you were indeed misquoted, or if the count of people was indeed wrong, that really is disappointing. Life is too short for lazy journalism, especially when it is the cause of people's sweeping dislike of journalists.

A few bad apples, you know. That gets even more frustrating when you are part of the bushel.

And don't take me not believing you outright on your word.

As someone who said he took journalism classes, you should appreciate the old adage "If your mother tells you she loves you, second guess it."
 
Quote Whale, post your papers coverage, so we can see a non-biased article...


Turns out there wasn't actually a protest happening on campus, therefore no story.

We debated covering the downtown Orlando one, but we try to stay as UCF oriented as we can.

I wish there was one going on. It would have made for an interesting story. Even better pictures or video.


Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 16 April 2009 at 6:19pm
Originally posted by agentwhale007 agentwhale007 wrote:

Originally posted by Mack Mack wrote:

How so?  It sounds like there were three there.  You can't count the one that realized he had nothing to protest and you can't count the one who was just playing taxi.


Because they were there.



You may want to rethink the above explanation as it would seem to defy common sense, logic and basic honesty.  (Example, the people who happened to be at a 7-11 getting robbed are not counted as thieves just "because they were there.")

Edited:  Because of typing issues.


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Posted By: mbro
Date Posted: 16 April 2009 at 7:58pm
Originally posted by Mack Mack wrote:




The "Term Limits" sign in the big picture really bothers me as well.  I
want to vote for the candidate of my choice without those choices being
limited by artificially imposed limitations that set a maximum number
of time that someone can run for office.  I consider any term limits to
be a form of disenfranchisement and do not understand how they ever
passed the constitutionality test.
It was a constitutional amendment, therefore making it constitutional.

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Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 16 April 2009 at 8:39pm
Originally posted by Mack Mack wrote:

Originally posted by agentwhale007 agentwhale007 wrote:

Originally posted by Mack Mack wrote:

How so?  It sounds like there were three there.  You can't count the one that realized he had nothing to protest and you can't count the one who was just playing taxi.


Because they were there.



You may want to rethink the above explanation as it would seem to defy common sense, logic and basic honesty.  (Example, the people who happened to be at a 7-11 getting robbed are not counted as thieves just "because they were there.")

Edited:  Because of typing issues.


They were there, for however short a time, to "protest" the tea party.

The people not robbing the store.

Why do people always have such backwards logic?


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Posted By: Peter Parker
Date Posted: 16 April 2009 at 10:12pm
Originally posted by mbro mbro wrote:

It was a constitutional amendment, therefore making it constitutional.
 
Interestingly, even constitutional amendments can be unconstitutional.
 
 


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Posted By: mbro
Date Posted: 16 April 2009 at 10:16pm
Originally posted by Peter Parker Peter Parker wrote:

Originally posted by mbro mbro wrote:

It was a constitutional amendment, therefore making it constitutional.

 

Interestingly, even constitutional amendments can be unconstitutional.

 

 
Do you mean by not going through the proper process to be approved?

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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 17 April 2009 at 1:50am
Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

Whale, post your papers coverage, so we can see a non-biased article...


Because we didn't have a tea party going on, we decided to follow a different angle on it all.

http://www.centralfloridafuture.com/democrat-victories-motivate-gop-club-1.1719592 - Here is the story.

I really enjoyed the story. Impressive writing by a kid who has essentially just started writing for us:


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Democrat victories motivate GOP club

Student enthusiasm shifts with power

By: Nicholas Lougheed

Published: Thursday, April 16, 2009

javascript:Site.openWin%28/polopoly_fs/1.1719600!image/3310942451.jpg,%202386,%201710%29"> Republicans

Despite, or perhaps because of, their November election defeat, the UCF College Republicans has gained momentum.

While being out of power in Washington may be hurting the Republican Party nationally, the UCF chapter of College Republicans said it sees it as further motivation to spread its ideas and recruit new members. 

“I think there’s always more energy on the opposition side because you’re hungry, you’re out of power, and I think that’s going to definitely assist us in our comeback,” said Justin York, chairman of UCF College Republicans.

York cited the openings of new College Republicans chapters at both Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University and Rollins College in the midst of an election defeat as evidence of such energy.  He said he believes the UCF chapter is one of the top in the state.

Juxtaposing the Republican post-election fervor is the UCF College Democrats feeling of complacency.

“It’s not the same kind of excitement as it was during the election,” said Ali Paradis, president of the UCF College Democrats.

With such a tremendous effort during the presidential election on the part of the Democrats, the post-election slump was almost expected, Paradis said. 

Ariel Dansky, director of development of the UCF College Democrats, enjoyed the new influx of members during the election, which peaked at more than 300, but knew it wouldn’t last.

“We expected to lose members, absolutely,” Dansky said. “In election years, politics is on everyone’s minds.”

Martin Dupuis, an associate professor of political science and assistant dean of the Burnett Honors College, said he sees the Republican Party going through a growing period after the election, and was not surprised by the Democrats’ situation.

“After the election, there may be sort of this let down, like after final exams,”  Dupuis said. “There’s a drop off of interest in politics, which is natural.”

The UCF College Democrats have 82 dues-paying members, while the UCF College Republicans have 96. 

“The thing I was most surprised about, immediately after the election, was how many people we had still,” York said. “After the election, we were worried we’d have a massive drop off in attendance, and in our very first meeting in January, we had about 62 people there, it was remarkable.”

Paradis sees the shift as typical.

“It’s easier to be a critic,” Paradis said. “People like to complain.”

Aubrey Jewett, an associate professor of political science, said the loss is a chance for the Republicans to gain members, at least as long as President Barack Obama keeps governing from the left.

“Republicans look at this as an opportunity to get back to their conservative principles and roots, remake the party, and make a come back,” Jewett said.

Jewett compared the situation to that of Rush Limbaugh’s increased talk show ratings during President Bill Clinton’s years in office.

“There’s nothing like having the opponent in office to rally the troops,” Jewett said.

A similar motivation could even be seen as the very reason for Obama’s victory, Jewett said.  Such a strong dislike for President George W. Bush was enough to get many students to join the Obama campaign who, otherwise, might not have been politically active.

Harold Hedrick, executive director of the UCF College Republicans, said he views the defeat as an opportunity to re-examine the Internet and media, hoping to better reach their target market: the American people.

“Losing gives us better inspiration, more of a drive to do better, to bring about new ideas, to better reach out to new people,” Hedrick said.

But even without the underdog drive, UCF College Democrats are by no means dead.  Aside from their tent outside the Student Union almost every day, they can also be found around campus trying to put an end to gerrymandering or working with the 2010 campaign.

“We’re definitely still politically active, absolutely,” Dansky said.




Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 17 April 2009 at 8:47am
Sad...
 
The question your article brings up is;
 
 
WHY?
 
Why did the democratic participation drop off?
 
(maybe because as soon as he was elected, he broke so many campaign promises, nominating tax cheats, not following through with his promise of "transparency" by letting the public view the so called "stimulus" bill. The fact that he forced it through without it being read, the fact that he didn't write the bill in a partisan manner... I could go on and on. So I understand why you wouldn't want to ask or answer that question...)
 
 
 
Same is true of the question your article brings up;
 
Why are the republicans getting more involved?
 
You say its because they are the party on the outs...
 
"Despite, or perhaps because of, their November election defeat, the UCF College Republicans has gained momentum."
 
But, did you ask any of the new participants why they were getting involved now that it is SOOO early in the process?
 
Maybe because the intelligent students realize that THEY are going to have to pay for what Obama has spent in the past three months... For the rest of their lives...
 
Nope, weak article, typical college paper fluff.
 
I bet your journalism prof that couldn't hack it in the real world of jouralism loved it though...


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Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 17 April 2009 at 9:30am
Good thing he didn't write that.
If you're going to make derogatory comments towards someone, at least make sure you know who you're attacking first.

Not that you'll even read this post.

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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 17 April 2009 at 9:46am
Originally posted by Bunkered Bunkered wrote:

Good thing he didn't write that.
If you're going to make derogatory comments towards someone, at least make sure you know who you're attacking first.

Not that you'll even read this post.
 
Actually, whale said he is the editor now...
 
So that means he is responsible for the content of everything his paper publishes...
 
Get your facts straight before you try and attack me.


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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 17 April 2009 at 9:48am
Originally posted by jmac3 jmac3 wrote:

Originally posted by Mack Mack wrote:

Originally posted by agentwhale007 agentwhale007 wrote:

Originally posted by Mack Mack wrote:

How so?  It sounds like there were three there.  You can't count the one that realized he had nothing to protest and you can't count the one who was just playing taxi.


Because they were there.



You may want to rethink the above explanation as it would seem to defy common sense, logic and basic honesty.  (Example, the people who happened to be at a 7-11 getting robbed are not counted as thieves just "because they were there.")

Edited:  Because of typing issues.


They were there, for however short a time, to "protest" the tea party.

The people not robbing the store.

Why do people always have such backwards logic?


If you reread what was put up in FEs post you would note that one was there to protest until he changed his mind and the other was only providing transportation.


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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 17 April 2009 at 9:49am
Protester on front page of paper has gun in pocket...
 
And no one died...
 
http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/dayton-news/dayton-tea-party-rally-one-of-many-across-the-country-83091.html - http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/dayton-news/dayton-tea-party-rally-one-of-many-across-the-country-83091.html
 
 


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