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Topic: Omg.
Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Subject: Omg.
Date Posted: 16 April 2009 at 10:47pm
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CNN at it's best. I don't care if you are Conservative OR Liberal, this was very bad reporting. |
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Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 16 April 2009 at 10:51pm
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She's right...
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Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Date Posted: 16 April 2009 at 10:52pm
| You piss me off sometimes jmac. |
Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 16 April 2009 at 10:53pm
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Haha, anti-cnn. They flatter themselves. ------------- 
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Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 16 April 2009 at 10:55pm
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Why? Fox is right wing coservative network. They also HIGHLY promoted the tea parties yesterday. It was like 24/7 coverage. Their "reporters" were not reporting on anything. Sean Hannity was pretty much leading the damn rally that he was at. Oh and for the record, you always piss me off but I don't say it to you. ------------- Que pasa?
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Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Date Posted: 16 April 2009 at 10:57pm
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Sean Hannity isn't a reporter he is a host, and excuse fox for not talking about Obama or his dog for 24/7. It just amazes me how you could agree with someone who can't do their job. |
Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 16 April 2009 at 10:59pm
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It was pretty shoddy reporting. If you're gonna ask a question live, damned well have the courtey to let the man speak. If you want to cut and choose soundbites, record them for later broadcast. ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 16 April 2009 at 11:00pm
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I don't care about Obama or his dog. Anyone that does care about his dog is retarded. I only half pay attention to politics for the laughs. Also, Fox does talk about Obama like 24/7.They talk about how the world is going to end because he is president. They talk about how DHS reports that he didn't write and were started under Bush are somehow him tying to control everyone. EDIT: Did I agree with the woman not letting the man speak? No. I said she is right on her rant about it being mostly a right wing, fox promoted, rally. ------------- Que pasa?
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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 16 April 2009 at 11:01pm
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She was being antagonistic. I don't care about a journalist' views on something. Unless they are writing an editorial, their opinion needs to stay OUT of the story. That goes for FOX, CNN, MSNBC, Al Jazera, and ALL news networks. ------------- 
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Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 16 April 2009 at 11:03pm
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It isn't a double standard. CNN and MSNBC may lean to the left, but they don't go out and slam on republicans for stupid things that aren't even an issue. In fact right now I am going to turn on Fox and then CNN and MSNBC and see what each is talking about. ------------- Que pasa?
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Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 16 April 2009 at 11:07pm
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CNN: Talking about Obama being in Mexico and the killings that happened right before he got there. Talking about what he spoke about. MSNBC: Talking about investigations of war crimes by I believe the US. Fox: O'reilly said "Americans prefer fox news' coverage". How Obama is offering an "Entitlement culture" "Nanny Sate" Still talking about how Obama got elected in. His guest said "The Obama debt." I have to give it to O'reilly though THIS time for at least correcting him and saying it is also the "Bush Debt". Still talking about people voting for him for entitlement. ------------- Que pasa?
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Posted By: paintballplaya7
Date Posted: 16 April 2009 at 11:08pm
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She is an idiot. if she was going to act like that then maybe she should've asked for the day off and went down there to argue, instead of doing it on the live nationwide media channel she works for. not proffessional reporting at all ------------- *Custom Pro *Cyclone feed *X7 hopper *M16 Carry Handle *BT 16 Apex Barrel *Car Stock *remote *camo paint job *Single point sling *JT Full Coverage Camo *realtree RAP4 vest |
Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 16 April 2009 at 11:13pm
Did you watch the video in this thread? -------------
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jmac3 wrote:Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 16 April 2009 at 11:17pm
------------- Que pasa?
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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 16 April 2009 at 11:20pm
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Anybody catch Jon Stewart tonight? He pretty much hit the nail on head about this woman. -------------
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Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 16 April 2009 at 11:24pm
Word. I for one thought it is amazing that someone can fail so hard as Rofl-Mao does and get called on it less. ------------- 
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Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Date Posted: 16 April 2009 at 11:27pm
| I'm conservative and I don't agree with bias reporting so that makes me fail? Okay. |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 16 April 2009 at 11:28pm
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That was terrible reporting, no better than what I would expect out of fox news anyways... It really doesn't matter who it is, all the major American news networks do a pretty crappy job of reporting. ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 16 April 2009 at 11:31pm
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Jmac3: Two wrongs do not make a right, especially in journalism. What this woman did was not called for and not professional and should not be done by a reporter under any circumstances. There is a difference between having hard-hitting follow up questions and what that video displays. "Because Fox News does it" is not an excuse. They are no parameter to judge things like this, as they have completely disregarded and trampled any sense of objectivity. They are no longer a news agency. If anything reporters should strive to be as much unlike them as they possibly can. That's why behavior like this is not acceptable under any circumstances. |
Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 16 April 2009 at 11:34pm
Amen to that. Not to hop very long on my soapbox, but when the newspaper print medium dies and slowly becomes reborn as an online-based medium, you are going to see a SHARP decline in news quality in this country. Newspapers have consistently set the bar for quality, and are always ranked as being the most objective and trustworthy source. I think it will work its way back to this while being online eventually, but it is going to be a scary time in the meantime. |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 16 April 2009 at 11:38pm
Maybe you are wrong on that one? I had learned that it depends on the area of coverage... print media is said to be better for covering local events where television is generally said to be the best for national/international events. Of course, that no longer applies when you have the quality of television media currently present in the US. ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 16 April 2009 at 11:39pm
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LOL. O'Reilly just said he thinks his show was a factor in Spain dropping charging people of the Bush administration....for him telling people to boycott Spain... ------------- Que pasa?
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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 16 April 2009 at 11:43pm
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This is another wonderfull piece of reporter bias by this same reporter:
http://spectator.org/blog/2009/04/16/flashback-in-2006-cnns-roesgen - http://spectator.org/blog/2009/04/16/flashback-in-2006-cnns-roesgen ------------- 
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Posted By: Monk
Date Posted: 17 April 2009 at 5:03am
Personally I feel it is because it cost more to publish a newspaper than to just slap something online. In that case, the editors and writers are more likely to print quality stuff. Just my 2 cents. |
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 17 April 2009 at 8:20am
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CNN... Are they still around?
I thought they were the "Cable News Network"... Yet, their ratings are never #1, that video is proof why...
I look at the top rated news shows personally. Its top rated for a reason. I also love how fox is always claimed to be right wing extremists... Guess that is from people that don't watch it...
Lets look at the actual ratings (hmm, facts for a change...)
http://tvbythenumbers.com/category/ratings/top-news/cable-news - http://tvbythenumbers.com/category/ratings/top-news/cable-news
http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/04/16/cable-news-ratings-for-wednesday-april-15/16892 - Cable News Ratings for Wednesday, April 15Posted on 16 April 2009 by Robert Seidman Live + Same Day Cable News Daily Ratings for April 15, 2009 P2+ Total Day P2+ Prime Time Read the full story
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http://tvbythenumbers.com/category/cable - Cable , http://tvbythenumbers.com/category/ratings/top-news/cable-news - Cable News , http://tvbythenumbers.com/category/news - News Comments Off http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/04/14/cable-news-ratings-for-saturdaysunday-april-11-12/16683 - Cable News Ratings for Saturday/Sunday April 11-12Posted on 14 April 2009 by Robert Seidman Live + Same Day Weekend Ratings P2+ Total Day P2+ Prime Time Read the full story
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http://tvbythenumbers.com/category/cable - Cable , http://tvbythenumbers.com/category/ratings/top-news/cable-news - Cable News , http://tvbythenumbers.com/category/news - News Comments Off http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/04/10/cable-news-ratings-for-thursday-april-9/16518 - Cable News Ratings for Thursday, April 9Posted on 10 April 2009 by Robert Seidman Live + Same Day Cable News Daily Ratings for April 09, 2009 P2+ Total Day P2+ Prime Time Read the full story
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http://tvbythenumbers.com/category/cable - Cable , http://tvbythenumbers.com/category/ratings/top-news/cable-news - Cable News , http://tvbythenumbers.com/category/news - News Comments Off http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/04/08/cable-news-ratings-for-tuesday-april-7/16311 - Cable News Ratings for Tuesday, April 7Posted on 08 April 2009 by Robert Seidman Live + Same Day Cable News Daily Ratings for April 07, 2009 P2+ Total Day P2+ Prime Time Heraldo, and right wing extremist in the same sentance... Lol...
Guess the ratings are biased...
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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 17 April 2009 at 8:33am
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Here is another tidbit that the liberal media hasn't picked up on...
Notice how the tea parties started from Rick santelli's rant on CNBC... But, their ratings are so dismal, that even if you looked at the actual ratings for that day on cnbc, you would see that not many people were watching... And yet it sparked rallies with more than the views that were watching that day... Interesting proof that "online" media is more powerful than tv cable news...
http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/02/20/cable-news-ratings-for-thursday-february-19/13176 - Cable News Ratings for Thursday, February 19Posted on 20 February 2009 by Robert Seidman Live + Same Day Cable News Daily Ratings for February 19, 2009 P2+ Total Day P2+ Prime Time 25-54 Total Day 25-54 Prime Time 35-64 Total Day 35-64 Prime Time Morning programs (6:00AM-9:00AM) P2+ (25-54) (35-64) 6PM - P2+ (25-54) (35-64) 7PM - P2+ (25-54) (35-64) 8PM - P2+ (25-54) (35-64) 9 PM - P2+ (25-54) (35-64) 10 PM P2+ (25-54) (35-64) 11 PM P2+ (25-54) (35-64) So, looking at the facts. We see that his rant was viewed by Squawk Box-253,000 viewers (65,000) (154,000)
And yet the parties that happened two days ago (in over 800 cities...) But, lets just use 650 cities as example, with 2,000 per party, (a low estimate of numbers, and locations based on the pictures I've seen...)
1,300,000 people responded... ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: Eville
Date Posted: 17 April 2009 at 8:37am
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FNC only has the best ratings because it plays to its viewers emotions by giving them what they want to hear. for example. most of FNC's viewers are anti-obama, so FNC organizes and promotes things like the tea parties, and regularly misrepresents information and tells lies in order to stir up their audience. LOL at coming into a thread about bad reporting and using FNC to demonstrate what good reporting is. |
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 17 April 2009 at 8:51am
Yeah... Ok...
CNN is so credible... Even whale dismissed them...
So, which one is the "best" one in your little mind? Since ratings don't matter to you. (ps. you know NOTHING about tv with statements like that...) ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 17 April 2009 at 8:52am
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Yes, ratings are the best measure of quality programming and lack of bias. ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: Eville
Date Posted: 17 April 2009 at 9:08am
please point out where I have ever said anything about me watching CNN, or any of those other channels. You have learned a lot from FNC. (ps. you know NOTHING about reading with statements like that...) |
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 17 April 2009 at 9:16am
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Look.
ALL media is BIASED.
Every person puts a spin on their viewpoints. It can't be helped. Its a fact. The sooner you realize this the better off you are.
TV is all about money, money is made based on ratings, ratings are made based on content.
Advertisers pay for time on shows with good ratings at higher costs than shows with low ratings. The poor shows get packaged together for low cost advertising, the good shows have high dollar advertising.
Pay is determined by the amount of money shows bring in.
Its all about the money.
And it is ALL biased. ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: Eville
Date Posted: 17 April 2009 at 9:21am
wow, way to, once again, completely disregard my post. what does that bit have anything to do with what is being discussed here? You did catch me off guard there, you usually just ignore it when someone proves how dumb you are, I wasnt expecting a complete subject change. 
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 17 April 2009 at 9:38am
Chain of thought based off of the above:
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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 17 April 2009 at 9:43am
Get over yourself. I ignored your "question" because you first ignored mine...
Why don't your read for a change, and respond? That is how forums are suppost to work...
Let me post it again...
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Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 17 April 2009 at 9:43am
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That's really what I want to know, is whether this troll even reads the posts that anyone else makes, or if he's just here to bleed out his vadge and eff whatever anyone else has to say.
If you think Fox is unbiased, you are so ingrained with "righty" ideals that there's probably no hope for you. Oh, and if you're wondering where I get my news: 1) Detroit Free Press 2) Flint Journal 3) Oakland Press 4) USA Today Yes, all 4. Like you said, there's bias to any media. That's why it's your job to collect info from more than one place to try and determine what really happened. It's not as easy as finding which network has the best ratings and then taking what they say for gospel. ------------- 
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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 17 April 2009 at 9:45am
Even fox news... ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 17 April 2009 at 9:46am
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While Fox News sucks, I have yet to see one of their reporters try to browbeat an interviewee into saying what they want them to say.
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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 17 April 2009 at 9:46am
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BBC FTW
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Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 17 April 2009 at 9:52am
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If all news media is biased< then why did you attempt to justify Fox NOT being biased with a display of ratings? -------------
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 17 April 2009 at 9:55am
QFT (BBC America is currently my favorite channel for news.) -------------
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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 17 April 2009 at 9:59am
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CNN is absolute crap, there's no doubt about that. They pander to their audience and attempt to market the news as entertainment. Fox does the exact same thing. They're just better at it, and have a more vociferous audience. I eschew TV news. They take current events, reduce intellectual content to the point that none of their viewers are challenged by its presentation (better ratings if the drooling viewers can feel smart because they watch 'the news'), and figure out the best way to spin it for max ratings. Rinse, wash, gag, repeat. Now back to my copy of The Economist... ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: Eville
Date Posted: 17 April 2009 at 10:01am
Do I even need to point out the irony here?
And I don't watch tv news, other than local news when I am at home. |
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 17 April 2009 at 10:12am
But, you don't watch it... That makes this ^ huge generalizing statement true, how?
funny how someone who never watches it but knows exactly what goes on... Here is what I like to do for fun.
Watch 5 minutes of CNN, 5 minutes of MSNBC, and 5 minutes of CBS news then watch 10 minutes of fox news channel...
Get back to me, this test would open your eyes... 6:00pm is a good time to do this. ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: Eville
Date Posted: 17 April 2009 at 10:16am
I know all that about FNC because i am still dumb enough to click links that people post leading to video clips and articles. What is that little test of yours supposed to prove? |
Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 17 April 2009 at 10:17am
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If all media is biased, then why are you still trying to prove how un-biased Fox is? -------------
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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 17 April 2009 at 10:20am
Bunkered... thick much?
ALL MEDIA IS BIASED! ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: Eville
Date Posted: 17 April 2009 at 10:23am
| then why do you continue to use one of the most blatantly biased sources to get your news from? you are just like all of the rest of the fox news sheep. |
Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 17 April 2009 at 10:29am
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FreeEnterprise: LEARN HOW TO READ.
I asked: Why, if you say all media is biased, do you go out of your way to defend their reporting vs. CNN etc? -------------
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Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 17 April 2009 at 10:33am
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And if that's not what you're trying to say, then what exactly is the point of all your statistics and your "test?"
To see which is more entertaining? Ratings = nothing. Most people are sheep. I don't let other people's viewing choices be the deciding factor in where I get my news because wherever there are more people, there is a greater amount of stupidity. -------------
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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 17 April 2009 at 10:34am
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hmm. lets see...
All media is biased...
So I can watch every other network and get the liberal spin on every news story... With almost zero conservative viewpoint.
Or I can watch Fox news with all the rest of the "silent majority" who don't like liberal slanted news and watch conservative slanted news, with a bunch of liberals thrown in to balance it out...
When you have run and own businesses, and sat down at closings for houses over 10 times, and become a professional at an extreme sport, traveled all over the country and getting other people to pay for it in sponsorships. Graduated college that you paid for yourself, and set tons of goals and achieved them including building your dream home, doing tons of the work yourself..., all the while saving tons of cash for retirement because you know that ss will be gone...
Then your opinion will start to have value to me...
I would bet the viewers of fox news are a lot more like me, than the viewers of the cnn or msnbc...
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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 17 April 2009 at 10:36am
Me... I read more than you ever will...
I don't respond to strawman arguments. ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 17 April 2009 at 10:37am
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So basically your position is that you are more of a badass than everyone else, therefore your opinion is the only one that counts?
Egocentric much? -------------
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Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 17 April 2009 at 10:39am
Nice. Make statements about people you don't know. I just pray for your employees. If you're this unreasonable/illogical online, God only knows what you'd be like to work for. -------------
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Posted By: Eville
Date Posted: 17 April 2009 at 10:40am
and you told me to get over myself, christ. |
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 17 April 2009 at 10:42am
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Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 17 April 2009 at 10:43am
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I can see why the whole "Change" slogan didn't ride well with FE. So, apparently I have to become just like you for you to respect my opinions? That sounds logical. Oh, wait. ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 17 April 2009 at 10:46am
I don't think you have any room to be telling people to "get over themselves." May God have mercy on your soul. You'll need it. -------------
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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 17 April 2009 at 10:48am
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yeah, don't take advice from people who have been there, done that...
You should listen to the teenagers who still live at home with mommy paying for everything... ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 17 April 2009 at 10:51am
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I'm not here for advice, not that you've offered any.
If having all that money and stuff makes you happy, go for it. I'm 21, have my own apartment and car that I pay all the bills for, and am taking online classes to better myself/hopefully get a better job in the future. Who are you to judge me? That's right - no one. -------------
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Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 17 April 2009 at 10:56am
Because clearly, since you did it, it's a worthy use of my time. Right. If you could quickly copy and paste the line in my sig into your's, that would appropriate about now. I can't wait to wipe the smirks off the faces of all the people like you, who think simply because my parents have enough money to send me to school wherever I want, I'm clearly incompetent. ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 17 April 2009 at 10:58am
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'All media is biased'? Hardly. More like 'much media is crap', and there seems to be a strong proportional relationship between market share and degree of crap. I won't guess as to which has a causal impact on the other. Moreover, TV media has a greater likelihood of being crap than other media due to its flitting visual and soundbyte format and the short attention span of the average televised media consumer. ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 17 April 2009 at 11:28am
Apparently he does . . . which makes him no different than many of the liberals on this forum who assume that only their opinion is important and anyone who disagrees is, by fact of disagreement, an idiot/moron who needs a good firebombing to shut them up. -------------
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Posted By: Peter Parker
Date Posted: 17 April 2009 at 11:44am
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Wow - this thread deteriorated into childish name-calling in a hurry...
My quick thoughts on cable tv news, as somebody who watches a lot of it:
1. CNN occasionally has a left lean, but usually provides a fair amount of actual information. (I didn't watch the initial clip, but I don't doubt that it was some reporter doing something wildly inappropriate)
2. MSNBC used to be fairly middle, but has recently decided that there is market share in being Fox-Left. They are quickly becoming almost as goofy as Fox.
3. CNBC is different from the others - it has a heavy financial focus, and generally doesn't have much of a lean in any direction. Recomminding that you buy Bear Stearns may be stupid, but it isn't politically biased.
4. Fox News has become a charicature of itself. Pundits aside, even the news coverage can be so over the top ridiculous that it is a non-stop face-palm event. And, of course, FNC has more loud yelly idiotic pundits than any other networks, and their pundits are yellier and stupider than the other pundits (although MSNBC is working hard to catch up on both fronts), which contributes mightily to the silliness of FNC - particularly since the news segments report on the statements and activities of the pundits as straight news. Brilliant cross-selling, but awful reporting.
5. HLN is basically CNN condensed. Used to be a great "news in 30 minutes" channel, but has recently started introducing more of CNN's non-headline content, which is not an improvement.
6. Most of these channels started out as news reporting channels, then they added political commentary shows (like Crossfire), but have recently switched towards a host/pundit-based approach with little discussion and lots of ranting and opinionating. Fox led the charge, but others are following. This has further deteriorated the news value of these channels, and, to paraphrase Jon Stewart, IMO the pundits are hurting America.
7. Anybody who watches cable TV to get their primary news feed is a fool - with the possible exception of short periods watching HLN. They are all horrible news sources. You would be better off reading USA Today, or spending that half hour on Google News, or just thumbing through People magazine.
8. On FE's cable ratings listings, I note that CNN and HLN are listed separately, when they are the same company with the same content, just in different format. They basically steal viewers from each other. While adding the two numbers together would be wrong, it is also incorrect to view them as entirely separate.
9. It would be a mistake to infer quality of reporting based on ratings numbers. In fact, I would suggest that the opposite is almost true. Fox News is the furthest from an actual news network - it is basically pundit central. People don't watch Fox for news, they watch it for Hannity/Beck/O'Reilly. I suspect that if you do an historical comparison for MSNBC's numbers, you will find that their ratings have increased as they have added unapologetic political pundits, like Olberman and whatshername. CNBC, on the other hand, is probably the newsiest of the bunch, and will continue to have low ratings unless some idiot goes on a rant. Even on CNBC, the most popular shows involve yelling - see "Mad Money." The ratings are a reflection of the proportion of irrational yelling, not the quality of the news reporting. Where is C-Span on the list?
10. Unless I need a quick HLN fix, my preferred cable news channel is, by far, Fox News. All the channels are horrible news sources, but FNC is the funniest of them all. It's like watching the Colbert Report, except these people aren't doing it on purpose.
I object to the liberal label, but otherwise guilty as charged. But, of course, in my defense, my opinion is in fact more important, and anybody disagrees with me is in fact an idiot/moron. I can't help that it is true.
------------- "E Pluribus Unum" does not mean "Every man for himself". Pop Quiz: What do all the Framers of the Constitution have in common? |
Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 17 April 2009 at 11:51am
Well, you do wear a suit to work, and are therefore by definition 'Awesome'. The opinions of the Awesome do count for more than those of the masses. It's science. ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 17 April 2009 at 12:22pm
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pfft.
Anyone can "work" in a suit...
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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 17 April 2009 at 12:30pm
No jacket. -10 Awesome! points. On the other hand, you get 10 Awesome! points for... whatever it is that you're doing. This one's a break even. ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 17 April 2009 at 12:49pm
LOLWUT? Maybe me classifying Hannity, Beck, and O'Reilly as reporters is wrong, but they do this on a regular basis. ------------- Que pasa?
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Posted By: Peter Parker
Date Posted: 17 April 2009 at 12:50pm
Sadly, my whole industry was sucked in by the dot-com guys in the late 90s, and most offices are "casual" at this point. I wear a suit maybe one day a week, if that (except for travel, of course, when it is all suit all the time). Heck, half the time I am sitting in the basement in my pajamas.
I do wear a coat to the office every day, of course - anything less would be indecent.
But the good news is that I have multiple sources of awesome, so I can afford to go suitless.
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Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 17 April 2009 at 12:52pm
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Peter, you know I saw this article about a law firm the other day. They offered people 1/3 of their pay(like 80,000 dollars) to take the year off and be immune from any layoffs. Why do you not work for them again? ------------- Que pasa?
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Posted By: Peter Parker
Date Posted: 17 April 2009 at 12:55pm
I am confused by what exactly you are asking...
But yes, in general the big firms have suffered badly. I suspect we have probably been hit harder than anybody except the investment bankers. Most large firms are doing massive layoffs, postponing startdates, cancelling offers, and so forth. Pretty ugly stuff across the board.
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Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 17 April 2009 at 12:56pm
Mmmm...that's still a huge pay drop though -- literally, some, if not most would not be able to afford it. That would be pretty much awesome -- if you didn't have a ton of debt to pay off that year.
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Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 17 April 2009 at 12:57pm
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Why don't you work for a firm that will pay their employees to not work for a year? You must be a slacker. Best idea ever. ------------- Que pasa?
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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 17 April 2009 at 12:58pm
That would be a cool opportunity to take the sabbatical, still make $80k for the year, rent out your expensive house for the year, and do something you really want to do work or volunteer wise. ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 17 April 2009 at 12:59pm
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Anyone who can look at Fox News as anything but a real-life version of The Onion only does so because, as has been pointed out, they make money telling people what they want to here. That, and people watch them for the circus value. I do that. It's free entertainment. My only issue with them is that they still claim to be news. And no, not every media source is "bias". That's simply wrong. |
Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 17 April 2009 at 1:02pm
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Oh yes, I forgot to mention this. Bill O'Reilly last night was tooting his own horn about Fox having the highest ratings. Pretty much saying they are clearly the best because the most people watch. Seems strangely relevant. ------------- Que pasa?
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Posted By: Eville
Date Posted: 17 April 2009 at 1:13pm
| thats funny, i dont see anyone bragging about riding the short bus because thats where the biggest population retards are. its wierd that they would do so for a tv channel. |
Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 17 April 2009 at 3:05pm
After posting the above I realized it was a bit unfair . . . . . . I've never seen any indication from FE that he believes firebombing is an acceptable solution for those with opinions that differ from his.
I've never considered them to be "reporters" of any type. At best they're entertainers . . . and not very good ones at that.
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Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Date Posted: 17 April 2009 at 5:06pm
**edited** ? They are not reporters. They are show hosts. They are bias because thats what their show is about. But they do not go onto the streets and say "EXCUSE ME EXCUSE ME YOU ARE WRONG" unless they are liberals that call onto THEIR show. They should expect no less than getting yelled at because it is thier show! |
Posted By: TheDude
Date Posted: 17 April 2009 at 5:24pm
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I don't see how FE posting the rating proves how FNC is a better channel, but rather, we can see that far more uneducated people who don't have the knowledge to make constructive and critical analysis on political issues watch it. So you know...thanks?
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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 17 April 2009 at 5:41pm
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How many here go to a movie not in a genre they watch, just because someone says it is the best genre out there? Same with television, do you watch a TV show because it is something you want to watch, or because someone tells you it is not what they watch, so you should watch only what they like and approve of. And since you do not watch what they like, you must be some form of moron. Same with news shows, if you like FOX you watch FOX, if you like CNN you watch CNN, there is no difference. There are some seriously brain dead lefties stuck in the 60's or 70's that feel CNN and MSNBC is the only network worth watching. Darma's parents from "Darma and Greg" infest the left, so lets not call the right the home of the less than intelligent. "Save the trees, I yell from my redwood deck", is sure a left wing enviornmental cause I can wrap myself around. Some feel the idiocy is on CNN, some feel the idiocy is on FOX, you watch what you like, not what your are told to watch or you are an idiot. Generationally FOX targets an older more mature in age audience, CNN the younger 20-30 year old, and each network targets thier audience, You watch MTV or VH1, your grandfather watches Lawrence Welk, or Laugh-In reruns, it is all the audience.
News anymore is objective, it is presented so you will make your own opinion based only on the opinion they present, all across the spectrum. Only many here feel that only thier choice of news outlet is correct. The ratings of the news shows proves that America prefers to be entertained as well as informed, and if you can combine the mix so much the better. And on a believability scale I would find it surprising the Air America crowd would of had a better following if they presented the news in the successful format that FOX uses, instead of the force feed, you are an idiot if you do not believe us method that Air America used. Racheal Madow on MSNBC talks down to anyone who does not agree with her, and having a philosophy degree does not qualify you as the wittiest and smartest news presenter ever, as she feels she is. Watch that show, then Hannity and explain the difference. Talk radio is a prime exmple, Talk Left or "Progressive" radio fails in comparison to Patriot Radio, why, content and presentation, and advertisers love it. Why back a show with 2 listeners, when you can back a show with millions of listeners. For example Ed Shultz came from Air America to Talk Left to "The Ed Show" on MSNBC now there is another show with no ratings and a audience of about 3, why is he still on if he contiues to fail in each market tried. He is not an advertisers dream, networks need to make money not put on losers such as MSNBC seems prone to do. -------------
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 17 April 2009 at 6:23pm
Actually they skip the step of getting guests to say it, Fox just tells people they said it. Not even kidding, ever hear of Jeremy Glick? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IwIRNM5noY - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IwIRNM5noY I can't stand Bill O'Reilly....he shouldn't be allowed on tv. |
Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 17 April 2009 at 6:30pm
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Wow there are some massive egos at work in this thread.
FE, you make the mistake of declaring yourself intellectually superior because of personal success and not "living off of mommy and daddy".
I shouldn't have to remind you that most of the officials / news pundents you oppose are likely more wealthy and successful than you ten times over.
I agree there's a lot of "liberal" arrogance on this forum, but you've added a whole new level of conservative "I'm right go eff yourself" idealogy. Maybe a little humility would send your points a long way.
And I'll remind you again, I'm a very right wing conservative.
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Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 17 April 2009 at 6:59pm
Show hosts/reporters. Same difference. ------------- Que pasa?
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Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 17 April 2009 at 7:32pm
It seems awfully covetous and greedy to stash away so much money when it isn't necessary, and to withhold it from people who would benefit from it exponentially more than yourself. Also, The Economist (big ups to Parker's equivalent for indirectly introducing me to this), BBC, and Al Jazera are where I get my news. FOX doesn't have a competitor for delivering the lulz, however. -------------
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Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Date Posted: 18 April 2009 at 11:50am
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 18 April 2009 at 4:00pm
Yeah, in strict terms of profession, not at all. In terms of station bias (especially you know who) totally true. |
Posted By: mod98commando
Date Posted: 19 April 2009 at 2:19am
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Wow. The reporter in the original clip is not doing her job very well. She clearly showed her bias there (against the tea party situation) and did not allow the protester to voice his opinion fully before jumping on it with her own. If that was one of the locations where there were counter-protesters then she should have given them both a minute or two on the mic and stayed quiet so that both sides can present their argument and the viewer can decide who the bigger idiot is. That's how the news is supposed to work. They are supposed to present facts and let us form our own opinions. It's ok to share an opinion whether it be theirs or somebody else's but there has to be a clear separation between the two. Ideally, they should have all sides of an argument or issue represented so that any spin can be balanced. Unfortunately, very few news channels do this and they inject the "news" with their own bias shamelessly. It's not limited to the right or left here, it's everybody. I rarely watch the news because it's such pure crap that I'm afraid of actually getting dumber from it. I generally get my information from online news sources. I do occasionally watch Glenn Beck though as he usually talks about a lot of the big issues. I don't really care what his opinion is but I'll at least know what people are talking about currently and I can look up some information on my own if I'm interested. I don't take his show as gospel (not even close) but it's good to see/hear another opinion even if it is radically different from my own. I liked his show more when it was newer though, he's getting whackier as time goes on. He's always been a little nutty but it's getting to the point where I feel embarrassed for him. One thing I like about him is that he generally doesn't have a rod up his rear like O'Reilly so when a guest has an opinion that differs from his, he will at least allow them to make their point before arguing it. O'Reilly does need a beatdown after what he did to that Jeremy Glick kid, that was just wrong. While I'm not sure I agree with the point he was trying to make, I can't even really tell what the point was because O'Reilly wouldn't let the damn kid talk for more than 2 seconds. Regardless of who was right there, he should have let him speak. He's just as guilty as that dumb ho from the video in the original post. What I think these networks should do is have more shows where all sides are represented equally and just have a debate. The facts will be presented so you have news value and people will shout their opinions at each other so you have entertainment for ratings. I think it'd be a win-win situation. ------------- oreomann33: Everybody invades Poland Rofl_Mao: And everyone eats turkey Me: But only if they're hungary Mack: Yeah but hungary people go russian through their food and end up with greece on everyth |