Which marker is the best for Sniping?
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Topic: Which marker is the best for Sniping?
Posted By: Cpn. Spork
Subject: Which marker is the best for Sniping?
Date Posted: 04 May 2009 at 7:49pm
Hey,
Just wondering what marker is the best for sniping/ long range. Like X7, A-5, etc. Thanks guys.
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Posted By: ammolord
Date Posted: 04 May 2009 at 7:52pm
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well, il come out and tell you there are no snipers in paintball. might want to put on your flame suite.
if you want a gun to LOOK like a sniper rilfe http://www.opsgear.com - www.opsgear.com has kits to make the A5 look like a .50 BMG. hope that helps.
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Posted By: Cpn. Spork
Date Posted: 04 May 2009 at 8:00pm
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Okay then, which marker is the best for long range?
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Posted By: ammolord
Date Posted: 04 May 2009 at 8:42pm
well, all pretty much shoot the same. if you got a BT Apex barrel it would shoot farther, but its not more accurate and its got a lesser chance of breaking on impact.
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 04 May 2009 at 8:57pm
Longer explanation: All markers shoot essentially the same range because the maximum velocity is limited to 300 fps for safety reasons. There are barrels that put a backspin on the ball allowing the rounds fired from them to utilize the Magnus Effect to travel longer distances. However, the additional spin added to the fact that paintballs are not ideal projectiles tends to cause these barrels to not be terribly accurate at the longer ranges and can, in some cases, affect accuracy at shorter ranges as well.
There are stickied posts at the top of the various forums that cover this information and much more that is useful. You should check them out.
(I would like everyone to note that I did not get involve in the whole "no snipers" issue yet.)
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Posted By: paintkid
Date Posted: 06 May 2009 at 2:16pm
sniping is for noobs
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Posted By: a_sock
Date Posted: 06 May 2009 at 4:16pm
paintkid wrote:
sniping is for noobs |
being vague and sounding stupid is for noobs
sniping in paintball, non existent, and any player who calls themself a legitimate paintball sniper is dilusional or isnt fully aware of what would be expected of them to meet the title.
Sniping, is badass, takes massive amounts of skill, and requires a real gun to do.
Dont condemn anyone until you get a fair amount of posts in, otherwise, you calling people noobs seems like someones calling the kettle black.(yeah you could be a veteran to the sport or a pro, but the likelyhood that a pro has low posts and is bashing a new player is very low)
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Posted By: AoSpades
Date Posted: 06 May 2009 at 7:07pm
a_sock wrote:
paintkid wrote:
sniping is for noobs |
being vague and sounding stupid is for noobs
sniping in paintball, non existent, and any player who calls themself a legitimate paintball sniper is dilusional or isnt fully aware of what would be expected of them to meet the title.
Sniping, is badass, takes massive amounts of skill, and requires a real gun to do.
Dont condemn anyone until you get a fair amount of posts in, otherwise, you calling people noobs seems like someones calling the kettle black.(yeah you could be a veteran to the sport or a pro, but the likelyhood that a pro has low posts and is bashing a new player is very low) |
I think you forgot to add in that his name is "paintkid"...Seeing that his post count is indeed very low further proves he isn't a pro, just a kid who's looking at an easy bash possibility.
BUT getting back on topic, I think your best bet is to get an APEX, Flatline, or Warsensor barrels as they add an extra 50-75 feet.
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 06 May 2009 at 7:34pm
Warsensor barrel? Fill me in?
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Posted By: AoSpades
Date Posted: 06 May 2009 at 9:35pm
DeTrevni wrote:
Warsensor barrel? Fill me in? |
take the hammerheads rifling, straighten the grooves, put those grooves on the bottom section inside the barrel and thats the inside of a Warsensor barrel.
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Posted By: OceansAreGraves
Date Posted: 24 May 2009 at 1:17am
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what warsensor makes barrels?! lol are they the barrels made for the zeus g2? Or are they like produced for just any marker
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Posted By: Spidey667
Date Posted: 14 June 2009 at 9:46pm
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i agree
i dont think u can call anyone in paint ball a sniper
the best u can do
is to just watch where ur shots go
and just slightly re aim the barrel
keep in mind after ur first few shots theyll know where u r
so dont think ur invisible
u can use bright colored paintballs but now that the opposing team sees them too
my advise is just practice with ur gun
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Posted By: OceansAreGraves
Date Posted: 15 June 2009 at 1:19am
I don't know anymore i think the whole "sniping" thing will have to be taken into consideration with that somewhat new first strike tiberius paint. Pretty Accurate i hear. I'm still yet to try it though. But i think soon there actually could be a paintball sniper. OF COURSE there wont be a spotter.....And they wont be able to stay in one place......BUT accuracy wise, yes. I think a gun modded the correct way and using the First Strike could be a pretty effective "sniper" marker
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Posted By: Monk
Date Posted: 18 June 2009 at 9:11am
AoSpades wrote:
DeTrevni wrote:
Warsensor barrel? Fill me in? |
take the hammerheads rifling, straighten the grooves, put those grooves on the bottom section inside the barrel and thats the inside of a Warsensor barrel. |
My friend had one on his old warsensor m16 thing. It works almost the same as a Hopup barrel. Sometimes worked, but had a lot of barrel breaks.
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Posted By: KSTIPPHEAD
Date Posted: 23 June 2009 at 8:54pm
http://www.tiberiusarms.com/firstStrike.html
^ This looks promising.
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Posted By: mr 400
Date Posted: 26 June 2009 at 3:17pm
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the only problem with these first strike paintballs is that a lot of fields won't allow them, they are expensive, (regular paint is expensive enough) and in my personal openion are harsh hitting. but as far as the original question goes any marker can be used for a sniper. i define a paintball sniper as somebody who hasn't been spotted yet and lit up. i have seen guys out in the woods with bright colored gear get walked right past becasue they were staying still. a true sniper is a person who is seeking a specialty shot on an officer or well defined target. you can do that by running the tape line or just running up the middle of the field and not getting hit. once the shooting starts you cease to be a sniper or anything else, you simply become a target. i have been listening to this debate for years and it seems that at some point we all come back to the same basic conclusion. there are no such thing as a true paintball sniper but it is a lot fun pretending to be one and irritating those who think otherwise. there are lots of story's from well respected woodsballers about thier sniper antics and strategy. but all in all to me its just another angle to the game. as it has been said sooooooo many times in the past it is about style, preference, air source, paint, maintenence and the like, just have fun, help the noobs and enjoy the safest most adrenaline pumping sport in the world.
peace
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Posted By: StormyKnight
Date Posted: 26 June 2009 at 3:28pm
mr 400 wrote:
the only problem with these first strike paintballs is that a lot of fields won't allow them, they are expensive, (regular paint is expensive enough) and in my personal openion are harsh hitting. but as far as the original question goes any marker can be used for a sniper. i define a paintball sniper as somebody who hasn't been spotted yet and lit up. i have seen guys out in the woods with bright colored gear get walked right past becasue they were staying still. a true sniper is a person who is seeking a specialty shot on an officer or well defined target. you can do that by running the tape line or just running up the middle of the field and not getting hit. once the shooting starts you cease to be a sniper or anything else, you simply become a target. i have been listening to this debate for years and it seems that at some point we all come back to the same basic conclusion. there are no such thing as a true paintball sniper but it is a lot fun pretending to be one and irritating those who think otherwise. there are lots of story's from well respected woodsballers about thier sniper antics and strategy. but all in all to me its just another angle to the game. as it has been said sooooooo many times in the past it is about style, preference, air source, paint, maintenence and the like, just have fun, help the noobs and enjoy the safest most adrenaline pumping sport in the world.
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There is no sniping in paintball. There are plenty of threads where this has been hashed out over and over and over. Your opinion of what a paintball sniper is doesn't make it true or universally accpeted here. There is no paintball gun or barrel setup that will allow you to 'snipe' beyond the range of another player with a similar setup. You are just a long-baller. Thats it.
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Posted By: mr 400
Date Posted: 26 June 2009 at 4:04pm
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my point exactly. how many times have you or i took someone out becasue we were just longballing? tons of times. some people may think that makes them a sniper but whatever. there is a guy i play with sometimes and when i or most everyone else see's him show up we groan. why? becasue he is going to pull out his ghillie (thats ok i guess) load up his sniper marker (a glorified 98c with some kind of modified longbow kit) and go hide somewhere and crawl around for 30 minutes while the rest of are having a blast. he talks endless smack about his skills but he never really gets into the game. my point is his openion is his openion it doesn't matter to me. as long as people are not being mean and stupid we all get to think what and how we want. a marker is a marker is a marker in essence. and you are totally right there is little or no advantage over paintball marker set ups. one of the things i tell this guy when i see him is, "don't take me or yourself too serious its just a game, have fun and be safe.
peace
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Posted By: alphablack
Date Posted: 06 July 2009 at 10:56am
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first of all you will probly not be able to get the ball to brake or you just get abused and wat good does good do your team.
But all that said any gun a but a flat line on it
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Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 06 July 2009 at 11:44am
alphablack wrote:
first of all you will probly not be able to get the ball to brake or you just get abused and wat good does good do your team.
But all that said any gun a but a flat line on it | Pleae refrain from giving advice about things you obviously know nothing about. This topic has been beaten to death on this forum.
With that said, the new First Strike paintball rounds by Tiberius are promising...
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Posted By: alphablack
Date Posted: 06 July 2009 at 5:28pm
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i do not get wat was wrong with it
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Posted By: StormyKnight
Date Posted: 06 July 2009 at 5:52pm
alphablack wrote:
first of all you will probly not be able to get the ball to brake or you just get abused and wat good does good do your team.
But all that said any gun a but a flat line on it |
Ok, now this time with grammar and punctuation. I have no idea what you just tried to say.
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Posted By: alphablack
Date Posted: 06 July 2009 at 6:12pm
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First of all you will most lickly not be able to get the ball to brake. Next you will most lickly just get ambushed. Finaly wat go do you team
But with that said just use a flat line it really does not matter wat gun
happy now StormyKinght
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Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 06 July 2009 at 6:41pm
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Can I get most lickly? Not a game we have played where I go. I also wish I could put a brake on my balls. A cup might work....
1. likely
2. break
3. finally
4. what
5. good
6. your
Regarding a Flatline. While they will increase range, they do so at the expense of accuracy. If you think you will be able to sit in the bushes and snipe from 100yards with a flatline, you are wrong. If you want a better explanation use the search function on the site and search; sniper, flatline, apex, snipe, etc.
Good luck.
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Posted By: alphablack
Date Posted: 06 July 2009 at 8:05pm
ok i spelt of few words wrong and I never said That I was going To Sit in a bunch of Bushes and Try to snipe.
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Posted By: mr 400
Date Posted: 06 July 2009 at 8:41pm
uh, i didn't understand a word of what you were saying alpha black. my personal concerns with the first strike is just pain of impact but its only a minor concern. i havn't seen the round used personally except for the various videos out there. but accuracy and distance and breakage don't seem to be an issue with what i've seen on film. my only other concern is price. but again thats MY issue. if you can afford the conversion kit and the paint why not!
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Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 06 July 2009 at 8:47pm
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Not all comments are aimed at you AB. Check the title of the thread. It is a thread about being a sniper. You suggested a Flatline. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about.
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Posted By: mr 400
Date Posted: 06 July 2009 at 8:56pm
thanks for clearing up the mispelled words. i have a flatline for my x-7 and i have never been able to get it to shoot decent enough to warrent the price. but having played for many years i see a lot of flatlines. some seem more accurate than others, some seem to have a couple of feet more distance than but it is just a perception. a couple of posts have used the term "ambush" in stead of sniper and i personally agree with the use of the term. i wished i had waited and spent my money on a hammerhead instead of the flatline. much better barrel.
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Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 06 July 2009 at 9:02pm
mr 400 wrote:
thanks for clearing up the mispelled words. i have a flatline for my x-7 and i have never been able to get it to shoot decent enough to warrent the price. but having played for many years i see a lot of flatlines. some seem more accurate than others, some seem to have a couple of feet more distance than but it is just a perception. a couple of posts have used the term "ambush" in stead of sniper and i personally agree with the use of the term. i wished i had waited and spent my money on a hammerhead instead of the flatline. much better barrel. | What FPS are you shooting at? I had an A5 and 98 with Flatlines and they seemed to perform better with lower FPS. Somewhere in the 260-270 range seemed to help. Also, keeping the barrel really clean helps. I personally liked the FL on the 98, but wasn't really impressed with the A5. It was great for flat shooting through underbrush, but pretty pointless at longer distances... unless you were just spraying and praying longball.
Haven't used a HH, but seems to be mixed reviews on it.
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Posted By: mr 400
Date Posted: 06 July 2009 at 9:19pm
it has been so long since i used the flatline on my x-7 i don't remember what FPS. but i try to stick around 250-280. always kept the barrel clean but i feel you on the a-5 w/flatline. i have a friend who didn't have much luck with his flatline on the a-5 either. there are several guys who are running flatlines on thier 98's and have never had a problem and they seem to shoot really well. i was really hesitant on the HH as well but i got hooked up for next to nothing and thought i had nothing to lose. so far it is a great barrel on my ABT. distance wise meh! accuracy, i can tell a noticable improvement over my jj, rap four (not saying too much) and cp barrels. but like you i have heard mixxed reviews.
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Posted By: Landero
Date Posted: 08 July 2009 at 12:09pm
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OK, I know I'll have my words fed to me one way or the other coz this topic is flaming red, might as well want to talk about politics or religion, but I think all points of view need to be heard.
I believe there isn't a single player that can be referred to as a SNIPER in paintball, but I do believe there is a CONCEPT and clear EXPECTATIONS for the player who'd like to be called not a "SNIPER" per se, but more accurately a "PAINTBALL SNIPER" or how I call them "MARKSMAN" this being since SNIPERS didn't come along till gun accuracy dramatically increased with newer guns & ammo before that the really accurate guys were marksmen, guns did not have a very long range and their accuracy SUCKED BIG TIME compared to modern standards but these guys had missions, IMPORTANT ONES too such as "kill this Captain or that General" those were the easy ones, sometimes a group of 5 or 6 of these guys were sent to either delay or eliminate when possible a much larger opposing force by the old and effective "SHOT - RUN -HIDE -SHOOT AGAIN" technique.
In the Spider Squad we have 3 paintball snipers, me included whenever necessary, but LOGAN and BEAST are my teams SPOTTER - SNIPER respectively, both on ghillies, using a modified BT with a custom made 18" barrel and an X7 with modified internals and a J&J 21" barrel as mains and 2 sidearms as backups I send them on their own to take the main targets or as satellites to the squadron for side-hidden protection-scouting and they've saved our AS*ES a thousand times and when given a task 90% of the time they've gotten the job done and came back to the team.
Hope it helps.
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 08 July 2009 at 3:13pm
Landero,
Don't filter-dodge, the mods tend to take offense to that.
I am now setting back with popcorn to enjoy the show.
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Posted By: Landero
Date Posted: 08 July 2009 at 4:10pm
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Didn't know that, thnx for letting me know man.
I know what's comin' bro but I had to say it coz it's true that's the way my team plays and it's worked out fine for us so far.  LOL
I'll check tomorrow for replies
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 08 July 2009 at 8:26pm
I'll give you a polite example of what's coming based on excerpts from your previous post:
Landero wrote:
OK, I know I'll have my words fed to me one way or the other coz this topic is flaming red, might as well want to talk about politics or religion, but I think all points of view need to be heard.
Everyone is welcome to their own point of view. However, if someone disagrees with it, they will state their disagreement and possibly argue reasons as to why their opinion is the correct one.
For the record I do not believe the terms "sniping" or "sniper" can be currently applied to paintball except in very rare and specific instances related to big games where certain rules are implemented that actually allow the "snipers" to perform in a manner similar to their real-world counterparts. In some instances these exceptions are inherently unsafe (such as allowing velocities in excess of 300 fps), unrealistic (such as using "sniper cards" to eliminate players once the "sniper" has a visual on them-without ever firing a shot) or so minimal as to not be an advantage at all (such as "snipers" being given an extra 10-20 fps advantage over everyone else while still firing at 300 fps or less). I will say though that I am withholding judgment on the performance of the new First Strike rounds to see if they provide sufficient reason for me to change my opinion on the paintball sniper issue.
I believe there isn't a single player that can be referred to as a SNIPER in paintball, but I do believe there is a CONCEPT and clear EXPECTATIONS for the player who'd like to be called not a "SNIPER" per se, but more accurately a "PAINTBALL SNIPER" or how I call them "MARKSMAN"
If I correctly understood your point, I generally agree with the above statement to a certain extent. There are no players that are truly "snipers" in paintball. It is the concept part where I disagree. Many would-be paintball "snipers" confuse the concept of "ambushing" with the concept of "sniping." The difference is a factor of effective range; snipers, while they can engage at shorter distances tend to engage targets at ranges that allow them to place effective fire while remaining out of range of return fire. Given current technology (with the exception of the aforementioned First Strike rounds-which are to new to judge) this can't be done. Any paintball fired at 300 fps will have essentially the same range as any other fired at 300 fps. Flatlines and Apexs add range, but at the cost of accuracy turning the would-be "snipers" marker into a suppressive fire weapon which is only suitable for engaging area targets at longer ranges and requires multiple shots for successful engagement of a point target at those ranges.
this being since SNIPERS didn't come along till gun accuracy dramatically increased with newer guns & ammo before that the really accurate guys were marksmen, guns did not have a very long range and their accuracy SUCKED BIG TIME compared to modern standards but these guys had missions, IMPORTANT ONES too such as "kill this Captain or that General"
Being given such a mission does not make an individual a "sniper," it merely makes them someone with a mission to carry out.
those were the easy ones, sometimes a group of 5 or 6 of these guys were sent to either delay or eliminate when possible a much larger opposing force by the old and effective "SHOT - RUN -HIDE -SHOOT AGAIN" technique.
This is not a description of sniping either, it is a description of utilizing small unit tactics such as fire and maneuver in a guerilla warfare style role.
In the Spider Squad we have 3 paintball snipers, me included whenever necessary, but LOGAN and BEAST are my teams SPOTTER - SNIPER respectively, both on ghillies, using a modified BT with a custom made 18" barrel and an X7 with modified internals and a J&J 21" barrel as mains
There is nothing about these markers that makes them "sniper" weapons. The 18" and 21" barrels will offer no additional accuracy or range over similar barrels in the 12" to 14" length range. They may make for a quieter firing marker, but will do so at the cost of being harder on paint and possibly reduced air efficiency as well.
and 2 sidearms as backups I send them on their own to take the main targets or as satellites to the squadron for side-hidden protection-scouting
So they get used for ambushes or providing flank security; which are missions any grunt in the service will perform. There is nothing sniper specific here either.
and they've saved our AS*ES a thousand times and when given a task 90% of the time they've gotten the job done and came back to the team.
Good for them; it sounds like they are effective players. However, everyone tries to go out and fulfil their mission without being eliminated. This does not make everyone a sniper.
Hope it helps.
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Posted By: KSTIPPHEAD
Date Posted: 09 July 2009 at 2:21am
I just like shooting people in ghillie suits. My favorite was a guy who was just standing around talking to some teammates during a scenario game in Nebraska last year. Point blank, too. I gave him a chance to walk... not my fault he didn't take it.
Even if they're not "snipers" they're still fun. I don't have the patience or desire to put on all that hot burlap and crawl around all day, but I do have respect for people who do possess the necessary skills. Whatever you want to call them, ambush-type players make a fun addition to any scenario game.
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 09 July 2009 at 2:59am
I agree that ""ambush type players" make the game more fun. Given the choice I personally always prefer to shoot opponents who have no clue that I am nearby and never have a chance to defend themselves. These people are fun to play against because having them on the field (when you know how they will play) means that you usually must move with a heightened sense of caution.*
Having a ghillie does not necessarily make someone either a good or bad player; I have seen both. My favorite was two guys who showed up with ghillies at the field several years ago. One of them used it rather effectively while the other didn't. (He tried sneaking in on the flank I was guarding by crawling across a field of dead brown grass in a green ghillie. I relocated into a large bush near his path and waited until I could barrel tag him as he crawled by.)
*One of the few complaints I have about the field/people I currently play at/with is that not much of this goes on due both to the layout of the area and the personalities of the players. Not having to worry about ambushes is causing me to start getting careless on the field. (One of the reasons I've been breaking out the pumps more this summer.)
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Posted By: Landero
Date Posted: 09 July 2009 at 10:14am
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Great, this is what I like having points of view!!
I do agree ghillies are just a tool and a player that's willing to put all that effort in making it and wearing it
should UNDOUBTABLY learn how to use it! Abushes can be a lot of fun and I think for my team that's the way to play he he he we love to ambush and we've taken the art a notch higher, on our last game we placed an ambush where we knew there would be lots of player traffic and then we placed 3 other ambushes on the only ESCAPE-FROM-AMBUSH routes the result? We lost 5 men, they lost 27 I think the numbers add up LOL and our side won that Big Game.
Ever since that one, everygame we go to play at, you can see the teams from other states moving a lot slower and act extra careful on the field that's when I knew we'd built a reputation they fear our ambush, our mines, our grenades.
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Posted By: StormyKnight
Date Posted: 11 July 2009 at 7:06am
alphablack wrote:
First of all, you will most likely not be able to get the ball to break. Next you will most likely just get ambushed. Finally what go do you team <-- Huh?
But with that said, just use a flatline does not matter what gun.
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Not entirely. Still had to fix a few things. Not sure what you meant in the purple text. It does matter what gun a Flatline can be used on. Only certain Tippmann models can use that particular barrel.
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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 12 July 2009 at 1:04am
Wait wait wait.... there was a paintball sniper conversation and Snake didn't come out of hiding to write a thesis about why snipers don't exist in paintball? Can someone make sure someone didn't frag him while he was on deployment.
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Posted By: StormyKnight
Date Posted: 12 July 2009 at 8:03pm
tallen702 wrote:
Wait wait wait.... there was a paintball sniper conversation and Snake didn't come out of hiding to write a thesis about why snipers don't exist in paintball? Can someone make sure someone didn't frag him while he was on deployment. |
Y'know, some people do occasionally get tired of endlessly repeating themselves...
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Posted By: KSTIPPHEAD
Date Posted: 12 July 2009 at 8:20pm
Posted By: ThatGuitarGuy
Date Posted: 13 July 2009 at 2:37pm
Does someone need to copy one of his rants from another thread and post it into this one? I rather enjoy reading through these "Sniper" arguments on these forums.
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Posted By: Driskill
Date Posted: 17 July 2009 at 4:38pm
I don't know but wouldn't the flatline barrel help the ball to go really far?
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Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 17 July 2009 at 4:41pm
Driskill wrote:
I don't know but wouldn't the flatline barrel help the ball to go really far? | Yes, they do travel farther and at a flatter tradjectory, but they also do so at the expense of accuracy.
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