College Laptop
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Topic: College Laptop
Posted By: Styro Folme
Subject: College Laptop
Date Posted: 28 May 2009 at 12:50am
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834152073 - This or http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834147933 - this Photoshop/Illustrator/InDesign, semi-intensive Gaming, Programming. Leaning more towards the HP at this point. Feel free to suggest others. No Macs. Inb4 Mac. ------------- X |
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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 28 May 2009 at 12:51am
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If you want to do any decent gaming, it'd be number uno... but that's really subjective considering it's a laptop and all. ------------- 
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Posted By: Styro Folme
Date Posted: 28 May 2009 at 12:59am
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...I really don't want to have to drag a desktop all around. I figure a decent laptop with a dedicated card would get me by for now.
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Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 28 May 2009 at 1:02am
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Get a Mac
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 28 May 2009 at 1:08am
| Yeah I know you said no macs, but for what you want to do... |
Posted By: Styro Folme
Date Posted: 28 May 2009 at 1:23am
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... Yeah, Macs are great. I got it. But out of the two, which would you prefer? And feel free to suggest a Mac, and I will do some research. ------------- X |
Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 28 May 2009 at 1:33am
Well, what kind of gaming? And is your budget <$800? -------------
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Styro Folme wrote:Posted By: Styro Folme
Date Posted: 28 May 2009 at 1:37am
I mainly play Css, but that's mainly due to the limitations of my current computer. I'd like to be able to play Left 4 Dead and Fallout 3 to some extent. The budget is around $800. $1000 is the very tops, and only if I find something amazing. ------------- X |
Posted By: mod98commando
Date Posted: 28 May 2009 at 1:50am
You don't need a Mac to use Adobe applications you know, they work just fine on a windows system. And now that Mac's are running on the same hardware as many PC's, you'll be paying more money for the same hardware with Mac OS on it. If the price difference is worth it to you then that's fine, just be aware of that. If I had to choose between those two computers in the OP, I'd say the first one. In general, I would go with neither though. If you can find a system with an Intel Core2 duo in it and similar specs otherwise then go with that. All the laptops I've seen with AMD chips have run extremely hot and heat kills electronics faster. Also, the Intel chips perform better so you win there too. The video card will be important for the games but your apps (Photoshop, etc.) will rely heavily on the CPU. ------------- oreomann33: Everybody invades Poland Rofl_Mao: And everyone eats turkey Me: But only if they're hungary Mack: Yeah but hungary people go russian through their food and end up with greece on everyth |
Posted By: Styro Folme
Date Posted: 28 May 2009 at 2:17am
I have taken the processor issue in hand. AMDs are terrible when it comes to heat. Hands down. But they're cheap and fairly powerful. I've found as long as you're drivers are up to date, and your cooling systems are good, you shouldn't experience the lingering smell of toasted motherboard. It will probably be a minute before I make a final decision, and I will keep my eyes out for the Intel processors. ------------- X |
Posted By: Bolt3
Date Posted: 28 May 2009 at 11:06am
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Does your school offer any labtops through a program? My school is offering two dells and two macs and discounts, and they don't seem to be that bad. ------------- <Removed sig for violation of Clause 4 of the New Sig Rules> |
Posted By: WGP guy2
Date Posted: 28 May 2009 at 11:16am
| You could build a nice gaming desktop for ~$700 (minimum) and then buy one of those netbooks. |
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 28 May 2009 at 11:17am
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so, you are going to get into a field where photoshop/illustrator/indesign are the norm, but you don't want a mac...
That is like saying you want to work for GM but, you will only buy a Ford to drive...
Man up and get a mac, and CS4. Education discounts are amazing. The $400 extra dollars you will spend will be worth the experience, and the ability to tell your future employers that you have been working on a mac for X years. ------------- They tremble at my name... 
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Posted By: Bolt3
Date Posted: 28 May 2009 at 11:22am
More like $1000 extra. I'm sure if you needed a mac to work on your project, you could find one in a lab at your school ------------- <Removed sig for violation of Clause 4 of the New Sig Rules> |
Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 28 May 2009 at 11:23am
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Meh. There really isn't anything a Mac can do that a PC can't these days.
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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 28 May 2009 at 11:38am
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http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_mac/family/macbook?mco=MTE2NjA - http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_mac/family/macbook?mco=MTE2NjA
$999...
and the operations system differences are huge between a mac and a pc. I work on both... My entire prepress department is mac, our offices are pc.
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Posted By: God
Date Posted: 28 May 2009 at 12:13pm
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I disagree with the, "macs for graphics" mantra. I have used Adobe products on both my PC on several late model Mac computers and personally prefer my PC. After having over 20 years of PC use under my belt with scattered Mac use over the same period of time, the only benieft to learning graphics programs on a Mac is to learn the different shortcuts if you are going to be switching between computer formats on a regular basis. I used to also believe the hype about Macs being better for graphics and page layout design until having tried to make the switch for that exact reason, and I now completely disagree. |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 28 May 2009 at 2:54pm
| It is the industry standard for a reason, and the OS is simply better, especially for graphics/ video/ music production. Yes CS4 works on PC, and that's fine if you want to, but I, and most graphic professionals will recommend mac. No you dont have to buy a mac, you could install os x on a pc if you want, but hardware consistancy is a bonus. |
Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 28 May 2009 at 2:56pm
 This thing will last you for a longggg time. ------------- 
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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 28 May 2009 at 3:18pm
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Can someone please link me some actual concrete data showing Macs are inherently better for design than PCs? I still think it's all about preference.
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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 28 May 2009 at 3:28pm
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One of my clients, http://www.gyrohsr.com/index - http://www.gyrohsr.com/index is one of the largest agencies in the world. All mac, in every office. (I printed all the USG stuff on the first page...) ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: mod98commando
Date Posted: 28 May 2009 at 4:16pm
So Mac's are superior because that company uses them exclusively? I really hope that's not what you were trying to say there. I don't understand how people can say Mac OS is better for video/image editing kind of stuff and then talk about using Adobe applications that are also available for windows. What's the difference if you're using the same applications on (often) the same hardware? I don't mean to start up the whole Mac vs. PC thing but I don't think there's anything wrong with asking for people to back their claims with facts. If it's a matter of preference that makes you all think Mac OS is superior, that's fine but that doesn't mean it actually is superior. The only thing I can think of that Mac OS has over windows is that the losers who write all the malware floating around on the internet don't care enough about Mac's to write applications to affect them. And even that is changing as said losers realize that many more people are switching to Mac's thinking that Mac OS is invulnerable and they'll never have to deal with malware. ------------- oreomann33: Everybody invades Poland Rofl_Mao: And everyone eats turkey Me: But only if they're hungary Mack: Yeah but hungary people go russian through their food and end up with greece on everyth |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 28 May 2009 at 4:18pm
| Yes, but we don't have to yet, and there are still antivirus solutions (including norton) for os x when the time comes that it's a problem. The OS IS better for productivity. I think it's Reb that is getting used to them now, and I'm sure he can confirm this. |
Posted By: God
Date Posted: 28 May 2009 at 4:29pm
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Could it be that the reason why so many companies use Macs for their graphic production is because when the company started Mac had the better software and because all their employees are comfortable using Mac computers, Mac software, and Mac Adobe software, the company sticks with Mac, because it would cost the company a fortune to make the switch to PC and have all the employees relearn everything? I agree with mod98commando, show us concrete proof that the hardware and computing performance Mac have are better for graphics than PCs are. My experience is that this is not the case. |
Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 28 May 2009 at 4:30pm
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Like I said, I want to see a technical comparison between Windows and Mac OS using the same hardware. I have a very hard time buying into "Macs are better for design". They may be preferred for design, but does that really make them better? I'm sure you could use Windows just as easily. edit- God beat me to it. ------------- irc.esper.net #paintball |
Posted By: .Ryan
Date Posted: 28 May 2009 at 4:50pm
I've got this one: http://www.hp.com/united-states/campaigns/touchsmart/notebook/buy.html - The HP Touchsmart tx2 I love it. Fast, packed, not too expensive for what you get....The touchscreen is really good, might be useful for some graphics apps too....Just remember, if you go with an HP, degunk the crap out of it when you get it. They throw so much bloatware on it before it ships that it's pathetic.... -------------  |
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 28 May 2009 at 4:52pm
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Ok, I have over 50 customers that design their own work. Of which ALL of them use Macs.
I guess they are just "biased"...
I have three clients that use PC's.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/reviews/4258725.html?page=4 - http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/reviews/4258725.html?page=4
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Posted By: MeanMan
Date Posted: 28 May 2009 at 5:19pm
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If you go with HP, search HP Coupons on google. They'll show up. I found a 30% off coupon when I bought my dv7t from them. I LOVE IT! it was $880. 17.3 in HD widescreen, 4gb ram, 320gb freefall sensor HD, 512mb Radeon Graphics card (not the best, but it still looks really nice. You could upgrade to a better one when you're buying it) I love the full keyboard, too. It has the 2.13 ghz Intel Core 2 Duo.
My only problem: it smudges. Fingerprints. Are. Everywhere. ------------- 
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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 28 May 2009 at 5:21pm
The PCs were running Vista in your link. I'd hope OS X could beat a machine running VIsta. ------------- irc.esper.net #paintball |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 28 May 2009 at 5:28pm
Well since it DOES win benchmarks (too lazy to prove it) at least some of the time its either on par, or better. And the reason you just gave is a GREAT reason to learn OS X now, as you are more employable if you don't have to relearn on the job. That's like refusing to learn to drive stick because you think automatic is just as good, then trying to get a job driving stick. Yeah you can drive, but you don't know how to on their platform, and there is an adjustment period. Now thats obviously not a perfect analogy but you get the point. |
Posted By: God
Date Posted: 28 May 2009 at 5:46pm
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...Or you can get a computer you like and is less frustrating to use [from your personal preferences and experience] and learn the other computer system's shortcuts/ OS in your school's computer lab, {or learn to drive stick on someone elses car}, and enjoy the whole graphic creation experience a whole lot better. |
Posted By: RenegadeGopher
Date Posted: 28 May 2009 at 5:48pm
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When you get to college, you'll regret not getting a mac.
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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 28 May 2009 at 5:50pm
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Holy crap, it's RenegadeGopher.
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 28 May 2009 at 6:06pm
Yep, I don't disagree with that. I still recommend learning OS X, and owning it is the best way obviously, but your suggestion is also completely valid. |
Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 28 May 2009 at 7:19pm
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Didn't we ALL agree the difference between macs and PCs are personal preference and both platforms are just as capable as the other? Macs use unix which doesn't have many viruses written for it yet, PCs use an NT-based OS which currently is more broadly supported in gaming due to DirectX. That's about it. As for the OP, considering your budget and what you want, a mac doesn't seem like a good idea since none of the macbooks at that range offer dedicated graphics. I bought my laptop from Sager. They rebrand laptops and offer some customization. You don't really get much of a warranty or support, but it saved me about $1000 over a similarly configured laptop from Dell. They are gaming laptops, but they don't have any flashy crap or LEDs, just well built computers that can handle very intensive applications. http://www.sagernotebook.com/default.php - Check it out ------------- Real Men play Tuba [IMG]http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/1859/newsmall6xz.jpg"> PH33R TEH 1337 Dwarf! http://www.tippmann.com/forum/wwf77a/log_off_user.asp" rel="nofollow - DONT CLICK ME!!1 |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 28 May 2009 at 7:22pm
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or better yet, he could build a $600 gaming desktop and buy a laptop that isin't a piece of crap. ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 28 May 2009 at 7:38pm
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Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 28 May 2009 at 7:46pm
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Suggestion: go try out some laptops and see what you like. If you've never used OS X before, go try it out. Personally, I don't find OS X to be that great, other than keeping me from gaming when I should be working. While most people in your field use Macs, one isn't required, by any means. They've managed to hook their brand up to the graphics community effectively, so many companies use them, but there are also lots of companies who don't. As said above, it comes down to personal preference. Personally, as a MacBook Pro owner, I would offer these options: 1) Hackintosh. I have never done it, so I can't guarantee you anything, but given that it provides the largest number of options at what will probably be the second cheapest price out off all of the ones I can think of, I'd say it's a pretty good bet. 2) Used Mac. Second best, but only by just a bit. I would put Windows on it, but that obviously is up to you. I think if you pick up something 1-2 years old you shouldn't have any problems with it lasting through at least the next 4 years. 3) PC. Cheapest. Frankly, I think it's more than enough to handle whatever you're doing. 4) New Mac. Horrendously overpriced. ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 28 May 2009 at 7:51pm
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This is awesome. I remember 5 or 6 years ago choop, myself, and others would argue why macs are just as good as PCs. ahahahahaha ------------- 
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Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 28 May 2009 at 7:54pm
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Also, if you are set on Windows...why not a Vaio? http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&categoryId=8198552921644586398&parentCategoryId=16154 - http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&categoryId=8198552921644586398&parentCategoryId=16154 -------------
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 28 May 2009 at 7:58pm
| Yeah, I would def bootcamp your computer if you do buy a mac. If you look to the bottom left of the apple store they have clearance, and refurbished macs. Also the $999 MacBook got another quiet spec upgrade this week. |
Posted By: mod98commando
Date Posted: 29 May 2009 at 1:30am
http://www.sccenter.org/facts.html - http://www.sccenter.org/facts.html According to the above link, 32,000 people commit suicide every year in America. By your logic, we should all be killing ourselves to solve our problems. My point: the amount of people doing something doesn't mean crap when you're talking about right and wrong. Does it indicate that your clients prefer Macs? Yes. Does that mean that Mac OS is superior to everything else? Not necessarily. Hehe, and then there's that popular mechanics test. If you look at page 2 of the tests, the performance difference there can be largely attributed to the fact that the iMac has a faster processor. Yeah, the number is 400 MHz off which they say is no biggie (thought it does still make a difference, especially under a heavy load) but that's also the clock speed for each of the two procesor cores. That means that effectively, the iMac was 800MHz faster. That equates to roughly 800 more operations per second at the hardware level. You don't think that will add up? That alone is enough for me to question the fairness of this test but numbers are numbers and anybody who knows what they mean will know what they prove regardless of the conclusions offered by the author. There will be differences between Mac OS and Vista in terms of performance but it will be nearly impossible to distinguish what was caused by the OS and what was caused by the hardware based on this test. Page 3 again has a MacBook with slightly better hardware specs than the PC. Also, it doesn't say if they got rid of the OEM crapware that usually cripples machines from the major companies. Another biggie, this was published in the May 2008 issue. In February, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Vista#Service_Pack_1 - service pack 1 was released which fixed a whole bunch of stuff including performance:
The PM article made no mention of SP1 being installed and it probably wasn't since these tests were likely done before the release. Service Pack 2 was also just released fixing a whole bunch more crap though it doesn't list performance as a big change this time. My point here is that on identical machines with the latest updates and no crapware, the performance would likely be a little different due to the OS but would also probably be so close it wouldn't make sense to declare one to be undeniably superior. What they should have done was either dual-boot the machines with both OS's or just reformat each after they tested with one OS and then install the other. Both without any OEM crapware and all the latest patches and drivers. They just didn't eliminate enough variables for me to consider this test conclusive and I'm a little disappointed in PM to be honest. I usually read MaximumPC and PCWorld for this sort of stuff and they do a much better job with their testing. And no, they're not Mac haters, they actually do like some Apple products and will give the company credit where it deserves it.
Well, obviously it helps to be familiar with the systems being used at a place you would like to work at but that's just a matter of using it. I don't think the real debate is about whether or not you should be familiar with one or the other but rather which one is superior, if any. I think it's really just a matter of preference and usage at this point. If you plan on using the Microsoft Office Suite of products for example, then you would probably be better off with Windows machines (I'm assuming they don't offer it for Mac machines, could be wrong). Likewise, if you'll be using certain software that is only available for machines running Mac OS then Apple is the way to go. In that case, one is better for your situation but that doesn't mean it's better for everybody.
Unless that was sarcasm......not really. I'm 100% regret free after 4 years of college using a desktop with XP (and linux for a short time) and a laptop with Vista. And I'm pretty sure getting my work done would have been a buttload more complicated as everything I had to do was intended to be done on a Windows machine. Are some of the apps I used available for Mac? Probably. Could the others be run through a virtual machine or a separate installation of Windows? Yeah, but why bother? I have not had any trouble using Windows over the years and everything I need to run is designed for XP or Vista so I would have regretted getting a Mac. ------------- oreomann33: Everybody invades Poland Rofl_Mao: And everyone eats turkey Me: But only if they're hungary Mack: Yeah but hungary people go russian through their food and end up with greece on everyth |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 29 May 2009 at 1:36am
| The fact alone that you don't know if Microsoft Office removes credibility from your opinion. |
Posted By: Shub
Date Posted: 29 May 2009 at 2:02am
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The two laptops listed in the OP are both 64 bit machines, since they are running over 4 GB of RAM each.
It's just ironic that Macs are apparently the flagship system for all things graphics, and Adobe doesn't even offer a 64 bit version of CS4 for Mac... |
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 29 May 2009 at 7:55am
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So, you asked for proof, I posted it...
You stated they are way more expensive, I proved otherwise.
Macs also hold their value, a 3 or 4 year old mac is worth way more than a comparible pc.
Also, you can run vista on your mac... Not true with a pc.
They are engineered better, (no question about that, apple takes design very serious). Their software is not buggy like microsoft...
CS4 is the standard now in desktop publishing. Learning on a pc could keep you from getting a job in the future. I know this as I hire people, I almost didn't hire my last prepress guy because he used a pc at home... (he has since switched to a mac, and the reason he had a pc was because he is a bigtime gamer, now he plays on his mac...)
I'm glad I did hire him, but it was a serious issue when it came up in the interview. One of our previous prepress guys was a pc guy, and the issues that came from his pc background were difficult to overcome.
In the past pc's were prevelent because of cost. Now that macs are less expensive, they are gaining ground.
I own hundreds of shares of apple stock, that is how strongly I feel about them... ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: mbro
Date Posted: 29 May 2009 at 8:32am
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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 29 May 2009 at 8:56am
Bah, you know what I mean.
Mac can run both vista/XP and Mac OSX
PC can't run mac os...
Oh, and for my 1,000 post...
pic from my grilling porch last night.
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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 29 May 2009 at 9:27am
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Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 29 May 2009 at 11:14am
Partitioning your hard drive correctly to have both a Windows OS and OS X requires that you own both, so the point is kind of moot. However, you can partition using your PC, and boot into OS X from it, ie: installing Windows first, then OS X. It's just not as nice looking an interface as Boot Camp provides. The only reason I still use Boot Camp is because it allows me to use my function keys, mainly for screen brightness. That said, it is a good tool for people who haven't dual booted before. ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: RenegadeGopher
Date Posted: 29 May 2009 at 11:22am
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If you get a Mac I suggest getting VM Fusion, and being able to run XP in a window. It's helpful. You can run Vista too, but let's stick with what works.. With bootcamp you have to shut down/reboot and run it all at once. of course if you're wanting gaming performance, bootcamp. but in college, i doubt you'll want to PC game too overboard.. -------------
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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 29 May 2009 at 11:23am
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Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 29 May 2009 at 11:32am
A note on this: it WILL be annoying for gaming if you use Vista on a virtual machine. Get XP. Also, buy VM Ware, NOT Parallels. I made the mistake of buying Parallels, and it simply doesn't run at the same speed as the hardware. My dad uses VM Ware at work (and has for years), and when he tried out Parallels after I told him I had problems with it, he agreed that it's just inferior. ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: WGP guy2
Date Posted: 29 May 2009 at 11:38am
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Posted By: Kingtiger
Date Posted: 29 May 2009 at 11:43am
| I recommend http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834152086 - this |
Posted By: .Ryan
Date Posted: 29 May 2009 at 12:46pm
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God,OS snobs are almost as bad as music snobs....Folks, your preferences do not dictate the relative goodness of things....Understand that, please....Mac snobs are fun to mess with though...
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 29 May 2009 at 3:27pm
| FE, you can put OS X on a pc. |
Posted By: mod98commando
Date Posted: 29 May 2009 at 4:09pm
...how? I didn't feel like looking up the system requirements for Microsoft Office...sue me. The point was that there are some things you can't run on Mac OS without emulation because they weren't designed for it. It works both ways and you can't deny that.
The second part is not true. There is even a name for PC's that can run Mac OS: Hackintosh. I haven't done it before and have heard that it can be a pain to setup but it can still be done (if you have an Intel processor). And the limitations here are due to Mac OS not supporting all PC hardware, not because of a flaw in the PC hardware being used. In fact, Apple now uses x86 Intel processors just like PC's and the hardware that makes the CPU's function is the same too. So the days of Apple and PC hardware being completely different are pretty much gone and now the difference is basically just the OS. That's why I think it's stupid that fanboys are still freaking out over how Mac's have better hardware. It's the same stuff in a different case! Just because 50,000 runs of the Mac vs PC commercials say that Mac's are better doesn't mean they are. ------------- oreomann33: Everybody invades Poland Rofl_Mao: And everyone eats turkey Me: But only if they're hungary Mack: Yeah but hungary people go russian through their food and end up with greece on everyth |
Posted By: mod98commando
Date Posted: 29 May 2009 at 4:13pm
...how? I didn't feel like looking up the system requirements for Microsoft Office...sue me. The point was that there are some things you can't run on Mac OS without emulation because they weren't designed for it. It works both ways and you can't deny that. Edit: If you absolutely need it...
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/suites/HA101668651033.aspx - http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/suites/HA101668651033.aspx No mention of Mac OS, therefore my assumption was correct.
The second part is not true. There is even a name for PC's that can run Mac OS: Hackintosh. I haven't done it before and have heard that it can be a pain to setup but it can still be done (if you have an Intel processor). And the limitations here are due to Mac OS not supporting all PC hardware, not because of a flaw in the PC hardware being used. In fact, Apple now uses x86 Intel processors just like PC's and the hardware that makes the CPU's function is the same too. So the days of Apple and PC hardware being completely different are pretty much gone and now the difference is basically just the OS. That's why I think it's stupid that fanboys are still freaking out over how Mac's have better hardware. It's the same stuff in a different case! Just because 50,000 runs of the Mac vs PC commercials say that Mac's are better doesn't mean they are. ------------- oreomann33: Everybody invades Poland Rofl_Mao: And everyone eats turkey Me: But only if they're hungary Mack: Yeah but hungary people go russian through their food and end up with greece on everyth |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 29 May 2009 at 4:13pm
| My point stands because Office has been on mac since the 90's, so your info is way out of date. |
Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 29 May 2009 at 4:27pm
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Posted By: mod98commando
Date Posted: 29 May 2009 at 4:28pm
Hmm....after some digging, I think I found an Office for Mac page from Microsoft. But still, that only proves that Office was a bad example, not that certain applications are designed for Windows/Mac and won't work on the other OS. That point is still valid. Something interesting I found on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_office#Office_versions_available_for_Macintosh - wikipedia though:
They actually supported Mac OS before Windows. I guess Microsoft doesn't always try to force things into obsolescence by not supporting them. ------------- oreomann33: Everybody invades Poland Rofl_Mao: And everyone eats turkey Me: But only if they're hungary Mack: Yeah but hungary people go russian through their food and end up with greece on everyth |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 29 May 2009 at 4:31pm
| Well you are aware Apple came before Microsoft right? |
Posted By: Shub
Date Posted: 29 May 2009 at 4:54pm
This is a fail argument. First, as others have said, you can get OS X on a PC. Second, the reason that it's a hack isn't a failing of PC...Apple locks their stuff down so much that they don't want to allow OSX on anything but a Mac. |
Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 29 May 2009 at 5:53pm
Because otherwise no one would buy their computers, since they are way overpriced for their specs. A good gaming PC costs as much as a regular Macbook, and the only game you're playing on that is Solitaire. ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 29 May 2009 at 6:24pm
That's weird, what the heck have I been playing TF2, Portal, Battlefield Heroes, Combat Arms and more on? I could have SWORE it was a mac.... |
Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 29 May 2009 at 6:58pm
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I swear, the arguments here are all from 2002. Macs are no longer the only computer for professional graphics work. Virtually all Adobe studio products (including CS4) are avalible on the PC and Mac. There are still several proprietary software solutions for each platform, but on the whole, the differences between them are personal preference. Studios tend to back one over the other. Macs can do gaming now, particularly since most studios have begun releasing their titles on DirectX and OpenGL. Macs are now being built more generally today. In the past, primarily Macs offered workstation dedicated cards, designed for rendering work and weak at gaming. Today, most of their computers feature mainstream video cards designed for gaming. From a hardware perspective, there is little difference between a Macbook Pro and most mid-high end Dells/HPs/etc. The only differencei is the OS. As Shub noted above, arguments about the exclusivity of the Apple OS are dumb. Windows was designed to be licenced for any PC. Effectively, any person in the world can buy or build a computer and, provided it meets the operating spec, they can install a flavor of Windows on it. Apple has always manufactured its computers and packaged them with its own OS. Today, however, Apple no longer can do all the inhouse hardware work, so now it follows the proceedure Dell and virtually all other manufacturers use of buying hardware from the designated channels and assembling the computer. Because of this, Apple can also now Windows because effectively they are building PCs too (the only difference is some proprietary bits on the motherboard that OS X requires to prevent users from putting OS X on other PCs).
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 29 May 2009 at 7:38pm
| I know this isn't the debate, but working with video is a million times better on mac than pc. Premier is total garbage, wheras Final Cut and After Effects, combined with things like Motion are just...fantastic. |
Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 29 May 2009 at 8:37pm
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It should be mentioned that the vast majority of people cannot get OSX on a PC. It's not a commercially available solution. Whereas anybody can get XP or Vista or 7 on a Mac.
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 29 May 2009 at 10:36pm
http://www.psystar.com/ - Sure you can Although I heard murmerings of them filing for bankruptcy so I'd sniff that out first. |
Posted By: Shub
Date Posted: 30 May 2009 at 2:26am
| Psystar is going under. I have heard rumors of another company, based somewhere in Scandinavia I believe, who is going to take up the reins of trying to sell commercially available Hackintoshes. |
Posted By: Styro Folme
Date Posted: 31 May 2009 at 12:08am
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Guys. I asked for your opinions between the two computers in the original post. I should have been more specific; I'm not majoring in design. I work with Adobe products often though, and was getting that it needed at least 2 gb of ram and a decent graphics card. Although since I'm going to be gaming moderately, I'll need those anyway. Now tell me please, out of either computer in the post, tell me which you would prefer and why. Also, if you suggest another computer, explain why you suggested it. Just help me out, guys. Please. ------------- X |
Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 31 May 2009 at 12:32am
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Not having looked too closely at your picks, aside from noting that they both have AMD processors, which isn't bad, but Intel still is the best choice at the moment, I stand by my earlier recommendation of looking at Sager's line up. More specifically, check out their http://www.sagernotebook.com/product_customed.php?pid=168012 - NP7682 model, which is in your price range and is very decent. Any of their laptops will be good though. They tend to be much cheaper then most laptops with equivalent hardware. Looking at your two choices, I prefer the MSI model. I like the graphics on the HP, but the MSI has the better processor. ------------- Real Men play Tuba [IMG]http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/1859/newsmall6xz.jpg"> PH33R TEH 1337 Dwarf! http://www.tippmann.com/forum/wwf77a/log_off_user.asp" rel="nofollow - DONT CLICK ME!!1 |
Posted By: Styro Folme
Date Posted: 31 May 2009 at 8:07pm
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^^ I checked out those laptops. They seem very nice. I've been looking at the NP2098 and I'm debating on getting a 2.40ghz processor with it. I'm going to do more research about the company though. Do you personally use any of their Notebooks? ------------- X |
Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 31 May 2009 at 8:14pm
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I think Steve Jobs is a pretty cool guy. eh makes apples and doesn't afraid of anything.
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Posted By: mod98commando
Date Posted: 31 May 2009 at 8:35pm
Yeah, but I wasn't aware that Microsoft Office was such an old product suite and that I just find it interesting that it was on Macs first since MS is so huge now.
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Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 31 May 2009 at 8:41pm
I bought one last year, its served me very well so far. The build quality is all there. However, I didn't buy my laptop from the company, there was another site which sells their laptops as well and it was cheaper still. Be sure to get a quote instead of just buying it, practically all these places offer student discounts or other deals as well. A couple things I found to be really good ideas: - Get the best parts within reason. This is probably a notebook you'll use for a while, no sense saving $300 or so when it means you need to buy a new $700 laptop in a couple years. - Get a 7200 RPM drive. Unless this is strictly for mobile use, the speed difference between 5400s and 7200s is very noticeable and very annoying.
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