For those who don't know.
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Topic: For those who don't know.
Posted By: tallen702
Subject: For those who don't know.
Date Posted: 11 June 2009 at 9:06pm
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Tomorrow could be one of the most important dates in the past 30 years. Wear some green and hope that Mousavi wins. If he does, the situation in the middle east could become far more stable in the next few years as well as the situation in Afghanistan. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 11 June 2009 at 9:30pm
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jun/11/iran-president-election-mahmoud-ahmadinejad - As long as the election isn't rigged, Mousavi should win with about 55 percent to 60 percent.  Pics taken from FARK:         |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 11 June 2009 at 9:33pm
| I can't even imagine that enthusiasm here, and we already have democracy |
Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 11 June 2009 at 9:36pm
Everything under the position of Supreme Leader there is pretty democratic, they just have a problem with religious, old, unintelligent, rural, poor conservatives voting en-mass.... ....Which sounds awfully familiar. |
choopie911 wrote:Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Date Posted: 11 June 2009 at 9:49pm
| But didn't Mousavi actually start the nuclear program there? |
Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 11 June 2009 at 10:07pm
1) No, after his position in government (He was Prime Minister from 81-89) was ended, he went into a political seclusion. 2) What would it matter if he did? He's been very public about supporting Iran's nuclear program, which is a good thing. He just plans on actually trying to convince the west that it's for electricity, not weapons. |
Posted By: NiQ-Toto
Date Posted: 11 June 2009 at 10:07pm
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He's like if obama were middle eastern! ------------- ///AMG What? |
Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 11 June 2009 at 10:09pm
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I doubt he'll win.
Corruption will probably be major, and can't rule out assassination. ------------- 
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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 11 June 2009 at 10:38pm
I don't think the Ayatollahs can risk large-scale corruption on this one. There'd be too much of a chance of a student/young professional led revolution if it did occur. And the Ayatollahs want to retain at least some semblance of power. If there was another revolution, they'd be up a creek. Same goes for assassination. You've got to remember that the Ayatollahs and other Islamic influences are NOT native to Iran but rather Arab constructs that have worked their way in over time. The Iranian identity is very much at stake in this election and the momentum is swinging back towards the Persian ethnic identity rather than the Islamic identity which more closely identifies itself with the Arab world. Iran is about as close in culture as you will get to a western nation in the mid-east. The people are amazingly open and friendly and many have had their fill of abrasive anti-western leadership. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 11 June 2009 at 10:42pm
| Not to mention, political assassinations are not really...popular. |
Posted By: mbro
Date Posted: 11 June 2009 at 10:47pm
I'd make a good spy. ------------- 
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos. |
Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 11 June 2009 at 10:55pm
Your mission, should you choose to accept:  |
Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 11 June 2009 at 11:17pm
Because Mahmoud has been the epitome of the popularity seeking type in the world. -------------
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 11 June 2009 at 11:25pm
I'm confused at the point you are attempting to make. . |
Posted By: mbro
Date Posted: 11 June 2009 at 11:27pm
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Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos. |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 11 June 2009 at 11:27pm
In all honesty, he has been when you take his neighbors into consideration. The right-wing fundies put him into power, the right-wing fundie ayatollahs let him stay there, and his right-wing fundie neighbors have been more than willing to let him take all the heat from the pro-Israeli western powers. It's really been a mirror presidency to the Bush presidency here in the US when you look at it. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: slackerr26
Date Posted: 11 June 2009 at 11:28pm
id hit it ------------- 
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Posted By: Evil Elvis
Date Posted: 11 June 2009 at 11:42pm
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His new slogan should be "Mousavi, chicks dig him"
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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 12 June 2009 at 12:10am
He's not a sane man, and as such, doesn't care what is popular or not. If he wants to do something, such as assassination, I wouldn't put it by his simpleton mind to do so. -------------
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Posted By: Monk
Date Posted: 12 June 2009 at 1:30am
| As far as I have read, the guy is calling for a detente with the west, not full on peace. So you would have to pardon my skeptisism. |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 12 June 2009 at 2:02am
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Posted By: Hysteria
Date Posted: 12 June 2009 at 5:10am
And the problem with that is...? :)
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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 12 June 2009 at 8:26am
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I am not opposed to slutty Iranian chicks.
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 12 June 2009 at 7:35pm
| http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,525927,00.html - http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,525927,00.html |
Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 12 June 2009 at 7:38pm
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Hurray!
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Posted By: Hysteria
Date Posted: 13 June 2009 at 5:23am
| Clearly foul-play is involved. The US should take over the whole Country to ensure proper elections are held! |
Posted By: slackerr26
Date Posted: 13 June 2009 at 10:56am
no silly. bush isnt president anymore! -------------
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Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 13 June 2009 at 2:10pm
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Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Date Posted: 13 June 2009 at 2:53pm
Yes! Obama will fix everything! |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 14 June 2009 at 10:43pm
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So, Grand Ayatollah Sanei just sided with the dissidents who are marching against the election "results."
There were marches in DC today as well by the Iranian expats who live here (DC has the second largest community of Iranian expats in the US) Khamenei is going to rapidly lose control of the country. I don't think the police and military are going to stand by or go after unarmed civilians for much longer before desertions and dissension starts taking its toll. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 15 June 2009 at 12:03am
Why do you post?
I don't know much about the situation, but do you really think that the military and police in the state will desert on a large enough scale to stop anything substantive from happening? ------------- 
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Posted By: Evil Elvis
Date Posted: 15 June 2009 at 12:34am
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Well, I guess it's back to the Kitchen and the good Ol' Hijab for all those slutty Iranian Chicks. -------------
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 15 June 2009 at 3:03pm
From everything I have gathered this morning:
I'm not true how some of this is, it's just what I have gotten from following at patterning together stories from Facebook pages, Twitter accounts, and a few other news sources, mainly BBC Persian. Pics:    And the most intriguing and powerful photo that has been taken so far. It is a rioter in Tehran, helping drag a police officer that he had just beaten, along with the crowd behind him, to get water and medical assistance. Before the police started shooting, the rioters were not interested in killing anyone.  |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 15 June 2009 at 3:55pm
They did when the Shah ordered them to start shooting innocent civilians back during the revolution. I think they'll realize that the new boss is the same as the old boss soon enough. Most of the police have been refraining from firing on the protesters despite some commanders loyal to Ahmadinejad supposedly ordering them to fire if the groups did not disperse. The AP has a reporter over there that saw three people gunned down, one mortally and two others severely wounded, when a group of protesters attempted to storm a militia post that has close ties to the revolutionary guard. The mass protests and rallies that have taken place over the past few days have been declared "Illegal" by the Supreme Leader but that hasn't stopped hundreds of thousands from going out in force and showing their distrust of the current government. If this keeps up for much longer, or the police and military resort to force any more than they have, the people are going to bypass their elected officials and the legal system and start going at the heart of the matter, taking down the Ayatollahs and their supporters who are against the reform. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 15 June 2009 at 3:59pm
| Makes me wonder what it would take to get activism at that level in North America again. |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 15 June 2009 at 4:09pm
If the last election had gone to the courts like the 2000 election did, you'd have seen a lot of protests. The difference between the US and Canada and places like Iran is that while all of these countries practice democracy and republic-like governments, the US and Canada allow for free speech and the right to assemble, Iran doesn't actually do so. Thus, when people march, others take notice. Protests have lost their power in the US and Canada since we see them every single day on issues that range from the important to the absurd. When you say "protest" in the US, people think of PETA and their often amusing (if not naked) protests of rather unimportant issues rather than the civil rights marches of the 1960's. It isn't until you gather enough people or create enough chaos in the US to get the TV cameras there that marches, rallies, and protests in our culture get any sort of attention. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 15 June 2009 at 4:59pm
Sounds good to me! ------------- Innocence proves nothing FUAC!!!!! |
Posted By: Evil Elvis
Date Posted: 15 June 2009 at 9:21pm
Slutty Iranian Chicks? -------------
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Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Date Posted: 15 June 2009 at 11:03pm
So has Ahmadinejad... |
Posted By: IMPULS3.
Date Posted: 16 June 2009 at 1:56am
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Wow, I wish they had these riots streamed live. Best entertainment you can get.
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 17 June 2009 at 11:04pm
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There is a rally tomorrow in downtown Orlando. I'm going to go when I get off work. I just cut up a green T-shirt to make arm/wrist bands. The gatherings in Tehran are getting bigger every day, with no signs of slowing down. More clerics are showing support for the people, and more irregularities with the voting are becoming transparent. Who knows how this all will end. |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 17 June 2009 at 11:19pm
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Whale, they've been non-violent for the most part, there's only one way for this kind of thing to end. Khamenei and Ahmadinejad are going down. Especially if any more Ayatollahs start coming out in favor of Mousavi and reform. The Revolutionary Guard purportedly voted over 60% pro Mousavi according to an interior memo from the Iranian govt.
Oh, and I almost forgot. They'll probably get to thread number 500 on Fark by the time this is all over. I really think Drew is just trying to get Ahmadinejad to mention Fark.com as one of the "hooligans" that are perpetuating this unrest. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: IMPULS3.
Date Posted: 18 June 2009 at 12:05am
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I hope they burn everything down.
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Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 18 June 2009 at 12:07am
I went to one in downtown Houston with my girlfriend. Good times. We received quite a few thank-you's from the Iranians there because they REALLY appreciated having people who largely stood to benefit nothing from being there and showing support. And every time a car honked in support it made me feel cool. -------------
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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 18 June 2009 at 12:43am
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You know, of all the stuff to come out of this, the fact that /b/ is actually doing something GOOD for once (coordinating DDOS attacks on military, police, and interior ministry servers) is probably the most amazing. Fark has something like 15 threads that are being used to disseminated info to everyone. I'm just glad the MSM hasn't mentioned it yet otherwise there'd be a fatwah concerning Drew Curtis out there right now. If this all ends with the supreme leader being cast out, I've got a feeling that Iran will be pushed to a secular nation much like Turkey by the victors. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 18 June 2009 at 1:24am
| I too am showing support with green |
Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 18 June 2009 at 7:48pm
Very nice touch, Drew Curtis:  |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 18 June 2009 at 7:59pm
Indeed! Also, the iranian threads aren't done, they're in the politics tab instead of all over the main page every 10 minutes. It's gotta be tough for those in Iran right now. The silence from the outside world must be disheartening even though so many of this planet's population is cheering for them. I just finished writing my reps in congress and the senate requesting that they don't pull a "Mike Pence" and unwittingly give the corrupt government any ammo to use with the "outside influence" argument. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 18 June 2009 at 8:08pm
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Above all the reasons I voted for Obama, I have to say, keeping his head and being smart about foreign policy was very high up on the list, and I think he has proven it with the way he has so far handled this. There is nothing more he could or should say at this point, and he has to know that. What he has said works perfectly. I shudder at the thought of John "Bomb bomb Iran" McCain, another of the GOP morons who have come out saying that Obama is handling the situation with a limp wrist, as sitting president with this going on. |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 18 June 2009 at 8:16pm
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Any intervention by the US negates the legitimacy of the reformists. Plain and simple. And if those in congress can't see that, they need to have their heads checked. There are times when we need to stay out of it and let people do their own work and this is one of those times.
Now, if the revolution is horrendously crushed and thousands slaughtered, then I'd say "go for it" to those who would wish to intervene. But not before then. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 18 June 2009 at 8:23pm
And I get that out of what Obama has said so far. It is an almost cold-calculated way to say nothing and not appear to support any side.
Of course, because at that point you have nothing to lose as far as looking like you are meddling. It doesn't matter if you get accused of meddling on the side of dead people. |
Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Date Posted: 18 June 2009 at 8:35pm
ROFL /b/ is fighting in a real-life political war?  |
Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 18 June 2009 at 9:23pm
Oh, those cute, cuddly little /b/tards. ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 18 June 2009 at 10:39pm
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Coming over twitter, Iranian hospitals are in dire need of blood for transfusions right now. Seems there's been a lot more Basij atrocities than thought. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 18 June 2009 at 10:59pm
A pic from the rally. It was raining, but about 400 people still showed up. I didn't get that many pics:  |
Posted By: mbro
Date Posted: 19 June 2009 at 4:13am
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I'm supposed to be to work in less than two hours but was woken up by a severe thunderstorm so now I'm up and waiting for the speech by Khamenei.
Since CNN is playing Lou Dobbs reruns during this speech (coming up in minutes) you can stream it here: http://www.livestation.com/channels/3-al_jazeera_english -------------
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos. |
Posted By: IMPULS3.
Date Posted: 19 June 2009 at 5:41am
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