Is Sony on crack?
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Topic: Is Sony on crack?
Posted By: Frozen Balls
Subject: Is Sony on crack?
Date Posted: 03 August 2009 at 8:51pm
I can build a Sony Vaio CS.
Intel Duo 2.8ghz processor 320gb 7200 rpm HD 8 (8!) gb ram fingerprint sensor b/c it's funny windows vista with XP downgrade option 3 year epic ridiculous warranty (the best one)
TOTAL: $1779
Excuseeeee me?
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Posted By: Yomillio
Date Posted: 03 August 2009 at 8:57pm
Hey, you're the one who wanted the fingerprint sensor.
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Posted By: FROG MAN
Date Posted: 03 August 2009 at 11:56pm
its not that expensive.
is that 32 bit windows though? It will only use 3.5ish gigs of that 8 anyway.
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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 04 August 2009 at 12:36am
FROG MAN wrote:
its not that expensive.
is that 32 bit windows though? It will only use 3.5ish gigs of that 8 anyway.
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I doubt they'd have the option if it were 32bit.
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Posted By: Monk
Date Posted: 04 August 2009 at 12:46am
Sony customer service blows.
Also... most of the motherboards have a built in soundcard, and when it goes out, you are royally screwed.
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Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 04 August 2009 at 1:40am
You guys seem confused...I'm saying that it is incredibly cheap.
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Posted By: bravecoward
Date Posted: 04 August 2009 at 1:57am
You are the confused one sir
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Posted By: MeanMan
Date Posted: 04 August 2009 at 2:18am
I didn't think it was thaaaat bad of a price for something with 8gigs of ram.
Good screen/graphics?
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Posted By: The Guy
Date Posted: 04 August 2009 at 7:33am
for that price you could almost buy a mac.
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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 04 August 2009 at 9:59am
Ram is incredibly cheap these days. That's way too expensive for a computer of that caliber.
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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 04 August 2009 at 10:02am
tallen702 wrote:
Ram is incredibly cheap these days. That's way too expensive for a computer of that caliber. | This.
LOL @ you thinking it was cheap.
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Posted By: MeanMan
Date Posted: 04 August 2009 at 11:15am
Isn't it a laptop? Mine was $880.
If it's a desktop, then yes. Not that great.
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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 04 August 2009 at 1:42pm
Benjichang wrote:
tallen702 wrote:
Ram is incredibly cheap these days. That's way too expensive for a computer of that caliber. | This.
LOL @ you thinking it was cheap.
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LOL tools, it isn't a desktop.
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Posted By: MeanMan
Date Posted: 04 August 2009 at 2:50pm
YES! I was right for once. It is a laptop.
That's a great price for a laptop. The 2.8 ghz upgrade on HP for my laptop wouldve added like, if I remember, atleast $500 in addition to my already upgraded 2.13, which I had to pay for. Plus, 8gigs of ram on a laptop, that has to cost quite a bit. My laptop only offered 6 I think, and it was ridiculously priced.
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Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 04 August 2009 at 3:14pm
If you're wondering, a similarly built macbook pro (15 inch, 2.8ghz, 8gb ram) costs $3200 before any other features are added.
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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 04 August 2009 at 3:30pm
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Sony does weird things with their pricing at times...
Back when I got my old desktop (around 2001 I think), a Vaio PCV RS100 it was only $600, with a DVD burner... All the other machines back then that had DVD burners which at the time were brand new... were well over $1,000.
I ordered mine, and a week later when it arrived, on of my co-workers saw it and tried to order one too, and they had raised the price to over $1,000... for the exact same machine...
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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 04 August 2009 at 4:09pm
High Voltage wrote:
Benjichang wrote:
tallen702 wrote:
Ram is incredibly cheap these days. That's way too expensive for a computer of that caliber. | This.LOL @ you thinking it was cheap. | LOL tools, it isn't a desktop. |
It's also ridiculously expensive for 2.8GHz when it doesn't do much to improve the performance over a 2.53GHz or 2.66GHz processor.
.3GHz might just make a few programs run a few miliseconds faster, but otherwise, it's paying money out the nose for something you don't need.
Core II Duo P8700 laptops:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2034940032+1039323203+1039445840&QksAutoSuggestion=&ShowDeactivatedMark=False&Configurator=&Subcategory=32&description=&Ntk=&CFG=&SpeTabStoreType=&srchInDesc= - Oh looky here!
Tons of good computers at far less cost with what are still top-of-the-line processors and everything else he's got on there.
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Posted By: FROG MAN
Date Posted: 04 August 2009 at 4:10pm
Frozen Balls wrote:
If you're wondering, a similarly built macbook pro (15 inch, 2.8ghz, 8gb ram) costs $3200 before any other features are added. |
you cant compare anything to the redicules prices of macs.
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Posted By: The eMike
Date Posted: 04 August 2009 at 4:38pm
That is a very good price. If I would have gone PC for my notebook I probably would have gotten that.
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Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 04 August 2009 at 5:26pm
FROG MAN wrote:
Frozen Balls wrote:
If you're wondering, a similarly built macbook pro (15 inch, 2.8ghz, 8gb ram) costs $3200 before any other features are added. |
you cant compare anything to the redicules prices of macs. |
Historically speaking, Vaio's compare quite well to Apple's pricing model.
AKA they are really expensive.
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Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 04 August 2009 at 5:29pm
tallen702 wrote:
High Voltage wrote:
Benjichang wrote:
tallen702 wrote:
Ram is incredibly cheap these days. That's way too expensive for a computer of that caliber. | This.LOL @ you thinking it was cheap. | LOL tools, it isn't a desktop. |
It's also ridiculously expensive for 2.8GHz when it doesn't do much to improve the performance over a 2.53GHz or 2.66GHz processor.
.3GHz might just make a few programs run a few miliseconds faster, but otherwise, it's paying money out the nose for something you don't need.
Core II Duo P8700 laptops:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2034940032+1039323203+1039445840&QksAutoSuggestion=&ShowDeactivatedMark=False&Configurator=&Subcategory=32&description=&Ntk=&CFG=&SpeTabStoreType=&srchInDesc= - Oh looky here!
Tons of good computers at far less cost with what are still top-of-the-line processors and everything else he's got on there. |
If you didn't notice, the one I built includes Sony's best warranty in the price. Do those even have a warranty?
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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 04 August 2009 at 6:02pm
Frozen Balls wrote:
tallen702 wrote:
High Voltage wrote:
Benjichang wrote:
tallen702 wrote:
Ram is incredibly cheap these days. That's way too expensive for a computer of that caliber. | This.LOL @ you thinking it was cheap. | LOL tools, it isn't a desktop. |
It's also ridiculously expensive for 2.8GHz when it doesn't do much to improve the performance over a 2.53GHz or 2.66GHz processor.
.3GHz might just make a few programs run a few miliseconds faster, but otherwise, it's paying money out the nose for something you don't need.
Core II Duo P8700 laptops:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2034940032+1039323203+1039445840&QksAutoSuggestion=&ShowDeactivatedMark=False&Configurator=&Subcategory=32&description=&Ntk=&CFG=&SpeTabStoreType=&srchInDesc= - Oh looky here!
Tons of good computers at far less cost with what are still top-of-the-line processors and everything else he's got on there. | If you didn't notice, the one I built includes Sony's best warranty in the price. Do those even have a warranty? |
Yep, minimum 1 year from the manufacturer + 1 year from newegg included in the price.
additional warranties are for suckers. At the rate of advancements and production that we're seeing these days, by the time you get past the first year of warrantied service, the parts/services needed to fix most problems cost way less than the actual warranty does.
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BTW, it's better to go with the Vista-to-Windows 7 offers that most manufacturers are offering these days rather than the downgrade to XP. You're going to have compatibility issues galore if you go the XP route and eventually decide to upgrade your OS to Windows 7.
Dell, HP, and others are currently offering Vista with the promise of a no-cost or minimal-cost upgrade to Windows-7 when it comes out this October. Hence I'm waiting to buy my components for my next system.
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Posted By: adrenalinejunky
Date Posted: 04 August 2009 at 8:29pm
tallen702 wrote:
Ram is incredibly cheap these days. That's way too expensive for a computer of that caliber. |
yes and no - 4gb ddr2 modules cost and insane amount compared to 2gb ones
for refernce, the cheapest 2x2gb kit on newegg:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820208496 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820208496
the cheapest 4gb stick.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148220 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148220
that said, that still is quite a rediculous markup... but not an enourmously rediculous markup.
It's also ridiculously expensive for 2.8GHz when it doesn't do much to improve the performance over a 2.53GHz or 2.66GHz processor.
additional warranties are for suckers. At the rate of advancements and production that we're seeing these days, by the time you get past the first year of warrantied service, the parts/services needed to fix most problems cost way less than the actual warranty does. |
completely agree.
and i don't see how you could call that cheap....
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Posted By: jerseypaint
Date Posted: 04 August 2009 at 9:07pm
32-Bit Vista can only read 4GB of Ram max. You need 64 to have more. And to have that much ram, along with dual 2.80GHz processors, and not even a good graphics card makes having that fast of a processor with that much ram totally unnecessary.
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Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 04 August 2009 at 9:19pm
So waht you're saying is they are trying to get rid of semi-obsolete computers.
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Posted By: Shub
Date Posted: 05 August 2009 at 10:00am
The Vaio CS seems to be relatively reasonably priced, to start with. Like any other manufacturer, Sony charges a ton of markup when you start checking off option boxes in the order form...$250 extra for the fastest available processor over stock, tacking on an additional $320 to go from stock 2GB of RAM to 8GB. $180 extra will put a Blu-Ray burner in it.
It looks like you can still get this thing out the door well configured for under $1000.
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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 05 August 2009 at 10:09am
I'm aware it was a laptop. It still doesn't seem like a deal, or anywhere close to cheap to me.
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Posted By: adrenalinejunky
Date Posted: 05 August 2009 at 4:41pm
jerseypaint wrote:
32-Bit Vista can only read 4GB of Ram max. You need 64 to have more. And to have that much ram, along with dual 2.80GHz processors, and not even a good graphics card makes having that fast of a processor with that much ram totally unnecessary. |
i'm not generally a huge fan of sony, but i don't think they are retarded enough to offer 8 gigs of ram on a 32-bit machine.
and as for the whole being unnecessary thing - thats not even close to true. i assume you mean for gaming purposes, in which case 8 gigs is so far beyond overkill its retarded, anything over 2gb in games is not going to help you. if you are doing 3d rendering, thats a little different.
but there are tons of reasons why one would want a fast processor and that much ram. making a blanket statement like that is absurd.
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