Flatline on a salvo?
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Topic: Flatline on a salvo?
Posted By: gwoodtitans
Subject: Flatline on a salvo?
Date Posted: 05 August 2009 at 11:59pm
| Is there any way to fit a flatline barrel in a project salvo shroud? |
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Posted By: UnitedSeal
Date Posted: 06 August 2009 at 5:35pm
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A tippmann 98 custom flatline can fit. |
Posted By: gwoodtitans
Date Posted: 06 August 2009 at 11:05pm
| ok sweet. but will i have to modify the shroud at all? |
Posted By: gwoodtitans
Date Posted: 08 August 2009 at 2:38am
| any help here? |
Posted By: UnitedSeal
Date Posted: 08 August 2009 at 9:28am
| I don't think you do because the flatline comes with it's own shroud. |
Posted By: Antonio865
Date Posted: 09 August 2009 at 1:07am
| if you put a flatline you wont have the M16 shroud anymore because the flatline has a weird shape that requires its own shroud. It still looks okay but if you love that M16 look dont do it. |
Posted By: TinMan
Date Posted: 09 August 2009 at 1:15am
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He would like to know if the Flatline barrel will fit 'In' the Salvo shroud.
He doesn't want to put a 98 Flatline system on it.
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Posted By: gwoodtitans
Date Posted: 10 August 2009 at 12:06am
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I guess i would have to grind the inside of the shroud to make it work. Ill probably just get a hammerhead or something |
Posted By: Neothesmurf
Date Posted: 12 August 2009 at 11:50pm
| if you want a better barrel may i reccommend the straightline barrel. i think thats the one thats got the rifled cut on the inside of the barrel. i believe its around $140-$150ish |
Posted By: gwoodtitans
Date Posted: 13 August 2009 at 2:11am
| Im thinking thats probably my best bet |
Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 13 August 2009 at 9:18am
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There is a lot of debate on the effectiveness of rifled barrels. Do a search on Hammerhead, rifled barrel, etc for past postings on these. Before you plunk down $150 bucks on a barrel, you may want to look into a J&J or Lapco barrel. They are in the $40 range and offer decent bang for the buck.
It would help if you could zero in on what you are looking for out of a barrel. If you are looking for additional "sniper" range, to date it is not available in paintball (still waiting on further results on the 1st Strike rounds) There are barrels that increase range such as the Flatline and Apex, but they do so at the cost of accuracy. If you are looking for better accuracy, this is best acheived by paint to bore match. In other words, you want the paint to fit the barrel as closely as possible. Arguably the best way to get this is via barrel "kits' that typically include different sized backs that you can match to the paint you are using. A couple of barrel kits that come to mind are J&J Edge Elite and any of the SP Freak kits. The J&J run about $90 for the set while Freak kits run anywhere from $60-$150 depending on if you are buying just the inserts or the entire barrel/back kit.
Hope it helps.
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Posted By: gwoodtitans
Date Posted: 14 August 2009 at 5:36pm
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Thanks that helps quite a bit. The hammerheads look nice and have really nice reviews but i dont think i will get enough use out of it. The j&j or lapco sound like they could be a better choice. Any suggestions on what kind or where to purchase them from? |
Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 10 September 2009 at 12:33am
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Lapco Bigshot is your best bet man.
Rifled barrels dont really do anything in paintball, they'd haft to cut into the ball to create any real spin which would obviously destroy a paintball before it ever left your barrel.
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Posted By: mr 400
Date Posted: 10 September 2009 at 1:52am
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i'll throw my hat and my two cents into the ring about what kind of barrel to get based on what i have and use. i got the 14" hammerhead/tippmann barrel. i like it and it does have somewhat better accuracy than my cp's and jj ceramic barrels. distance wise no difference. enough to warrent the addition price, not in my experience. i've never done a comparative test but when i'm out playing i have a hard time telling the difference between accuracy and range between the three barrels. for the price i would put my jj ceramic up against the hammerhead any day. of course other factors like paint quality, age have some impact but overall for the money the cp and jj ceramics are just fine and a whole lot cheaper. ------------- mr400 |
Posted By: gwoodtitans
Date Posted: 10 September 2009 at 4:05pm
| im thinking the lapco assault barrel. Has anyone had any experience with these? |
Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 11 September 2009 at 6:48pm
| A barrel isnt going to increase your distance. |
Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 11 September 2009 at 10:26pm
------------- "When I grow up I want to marry a rich man and live in a condor next to the beach" -- My 7yr old daughter. |
__sneaky__ wrote:Posted By: Luc McCloud
Date Posted: 11 September 2009 at 10:44pm
mhm, must agree with him here. (Correct me if I'm wrong on anything here) Flatline barrels are designed with a "Step Up System", which causes the ball to get a backspin. The end result is that the ball is spinning and wanting to go upwards, while gravity is pulling it down. Thus, the ball travels further. In Airsoft, this is called "Hop-Up". You can see this for yourself if you ever fired a Hop Up pistol "Gangsta Style" (holding it sideways). The BBs always will curve to the Left. Ultimately, I can imagine paintballs will be more effected by this flatline system. Not to mention (and agian, correct me if I'm wrong), but wouldnt a flatline system also reduce the FPS? ------------- The "Arctic Fox"; Insanity at its Finest! Since only experts and veterns can give their opinions and nobody listens to those who are new, I'll just leave and make everyone happy. |
Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 12 September 2009 at 1:22pm
------------- "When I grow up I want to marry a rich man and live in a condor next to the beach" -- My 7yr old daughter. |
Posted By: Luc McCloud
Date Posted: 12 September 2009 at 2:11pm
Gee, you're quick to be sarcastic, but slow to answer my questions or correct my mistakes. First off, I may be new to paintball, but that does NOT mean I'm new to the physics behind it. I've dealt with Airsoft systems for the last 4 years, and for the most part the difference between a Co2 Airsoft System and a paintball marker is mainly size, and brand differences (I know tippmann makes their markers different internally than say, spyder). BUT, as far as systems such as the Flatline barrel, They areb ased off the same principles. As such, I used to upgrade airsoft guns forhop-up and FPS increases. I made a 5$ airsoft cheapie preform liek a 50$ gun. Hopup had a destinct advantage of throwing the BB further, but shots tended to go higher than you aimed, and also would curve even if the gun was tilted slightly. In otherwords, it was a huge issue. Anyways, I'm in the midst of researching this stuff now, and if I'm getting even a GENERAL idea of this within just 4 hours of starting this sport, then I think I'm on one **** of a track. ------------- The "Arctic Fox"; Insanity at its Finest! Since only experts and veterns can give their opinions and nobody listens to those who are new, I'll just leave and make everyone happy. |
Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 12 September 2009 at 3:23pm
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I corrected your mistakes in another thread and you sent me a hissyfit PM. And yes your comments were essentially correct this time. However, whereas a BB's are small hard spheres fired at higer FPS, paintballs are big (comparatively), shape disforming, liquid filled, lower FPS spheres fired from non rifled barrels. While the physics is similiar, the differences in the medium are significant enough to result in dramatically different outcomes. Flatlines give you additional distance, but you will lose accuracy and to be quite honest, aren't very accurate to begin with. The Flatline will decrease FPS, but you simply turn it back up. In some cases with the FL barrels, some people have had a hard time getting it back to 280 or so. Luckily, the FL systems operate better at slightly lower FPS.
------------- "When I grow up I want to marry a rich man and live in a condor next to the beach" -- My 7yr old daughter. |
Posted By: Evil Elvis
Date Posted: 12 September 2009 at 5:10pm
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Keep it Civil. New members or Seasoned members alike. Don't let threads turn into flame fests.
Newer members there is a ton of knowledge in this community. There are players who have been playing since the 80'S and some like myself playing actively since 1995. In the database of this forums are thousands of threads on just about every topic you can think of. To the Members here, being on these boards years doesn't give you a free pass to put anyone down. If you know the answer or want to correct someone here use some tact. Remember today's noob is the guy you might be playing with down the line. ------------- 
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Posted By: Luc McCloud
Date Posted: 12 September 2009 at 11:16pm
1, I did not send a hissyfit pm. You have not seen me as a hissyfit. 2; Bbs from a airsoft gun are fired anywhere from 240 fps to 300 fps (any higher isnt permitted at any range due to the ability to break the skin). Any higher, and you literally shatter BBs on a hard surface. 3; You couldve answered my question earlier. And again, I compared the flatline barrel to a hop-up system on a airsoft gun. Which again, you have not shown evidnce to prove otherwise. As far as the systems are designed, the flatline system just is more dramatic DUE TO THE FLAWS OF THE PAINTBALL, than a Hop-Up system. I wish I could just hide and block all yer posts, Sadly I dont think I can. Maybe a moderator can help me on that. EDIT;
To be honest, if the old players here show no respect to the new players, dont force em to, I just wont be a part of tippmann and will never purchase em again. I'll destroy and throw away my tippmann guns aswell. ------------- The "Arctic Fox"; Insanity at its Finest! Since only experts and veterns can give their opinions and nobody listens to those who are new, I'll just leave and make everyone happy. |
Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 13 September 2009 at 8:37am
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Respect is earned, not a right. With that said, Perhaps, I read your first post incorrectly. I did not see it as a question, but as a statement of fact. If it was a question, than, yes, the two systems are simliar. Essentially, the FL systems create backspin on the paint, insert physics crap here, which results in gained distances over regular barrels. However, I am assuming unlike airsoft, significantly less accuracy is obtained due to the properties of paintballs vs BB's or pelllets. We are talking in some case extreme inaccuracy especially if the barrel is misaligned, dirty, oily etc. I have seen balls do things that seemed to defy the laws of physics. Regardless, the original post was whether a Flatline inner barrel would fit into a Salvo foregrip. I believe the question has been asked and answered. ------------- "When I grow up I want to marry a rich man and live in a condor next to the beach" -- My 7yr old daughter. |
Posted By: Luc McCloud
Date Posted: 13 September 2009 at 10:55am
Evil Elvis talked to you and I, and if you still want to provoke me, fine. I just will report the post. ------------- The "Arctic Fox"; Insanity at its Finest! Since only experts and veterns can give their opinions and nobody listens to those who are new, I'll just leave and make everyone happy. |
Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 13 September 2009 at 11:45am
I have to ask; what the heck is provoking about the above post? ------------- 
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Posted By: Lightningbolt
Date Posted: 13 September 2009 at 11:56am
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A good barrel kit with the Apex tip. Best option for conventional paintballs. |
Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 13 September 2009 at 12:14pm
------------- "When I grow up I want to marry a rich man and live in a condor next to the beach" -- My 7yr old daughter. |
Posted By: Luc McCloud
Date Posted: 13 September 2009 at 1:01pm
how about instead of taking every chance you get to throw a remark at me you remain on topic and ignore me? And if this thread is finished, have it locked. ------------- The "Arctic Fox"; Insanity at its Finest! Since only experts and veterns can give their opinions and nobody listens to those who are new, I'll just leave and make everyone happy. |
Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 13 September 2009 at 1:44pm
------------- "When I grow up I want to marry a rich man and live in a condor next to the beach" -- My 7yr old daughter. |
Posted By: Luc McCloud
Date Posted: 13 September 2009 at 1:46pm
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EDIT: know what, I'm done with ya, I'll just make my browser block your posts or something, I'm 99% sure I can find a way to hide your messages. ------------- The "Arctic Fox"; Insanity at its Finest! Since only experts and veterns can give their opinions and nobody listens to those who are new, I'll just leave and make everyone happy. |
Posted By: gwoodtitans
Date Posted: 14 September 2009 at 2:09am
| If you guys are gonna **edited** do it in pms not my thread. im tired of getting bull**edited** emails saying someone replied to the thread and it turns out its you two arguing about nothing useful at all. I may be a noob to this forum but im not a noob to all forums. The purpose of this ( or so i thought) is to help out other people who share your passion for paintball. Not to prove how smart you are. |
Posted By: gwoodtitans
Date Posted: 14 September 2009 at 2:09am
| sry about the profanity |
Posted By: Luc McCloud
Date Posted: 14 September 2009 at 9:41am
Actually, I tried to keep it in PMs, but this guy blocked me hence why I just aint dealin with him anymore. ------------- The "Arctic Fox"; Insanity at its Finest! Since only experts and veterns can give their opinions and nobody listens to those who are new, I'll just leave and make everyone happy. |
Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 14 September 2009 at 10:42am
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------------- "When I grow up I want to marry a rich man and live in a condor next to the beach" -- My 7yr old daughter. |
Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 15 September 2009 at 10:46am
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Well I meant the regular barrels on the market, so I wasnt referring to Apex and Flatline, I shoulda clarified that tho. And Luc, he wasn't provoking you. He was exsplaining how the system worked...
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