bah you chemistry!!
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Topic: bah you chemistry!!
Posted By: FROG MAN
Subject: bah you chemistry!!
Date Posted: 18 August 2009 at 12:25am
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You know its driving me insane. I am in 3rd year electrical engineering, which is arguably the hardest engineering, and engineering is already... insane. anyway, I do great, but this year I had to take first year chem, and I just cant get it. So many conventions, nomenclature, and phrasing seems so outdated and confusing, Just cant take it. I try to refuse memorizing anything in school, becuase I have always felt that if you understand you don't need to memorize, but chem is proving me wrong. Anyone else hate chem as much as me? ------------- <1 meg sig = bad> |
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Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 18 August 2009 at 12:32am
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I didn't think chem was too bad. Took it first semester last year. And EE is easy. :wheresthedodgywhenineedit: ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 18 August 2009 at 12:32am
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I'm glad I took Chem 1 and 2 Freshman year, because that was useless. 2 is way worse though. At least in chem 1 the topics are vaguely interesting. Solubility and Acids is the dullest set of topics I've ever encountered. ------------- Real Men play Tuba [IMG]http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/1859/newsmall6xz.jpg"> PH33R TEH 1337 Dwarf! http://www.tippmann.com/forum/wwf77a/log_off_user.asp" rel="nofollow - DONT CLICK ME!!1 |
Posted By: ammolord
Date Posted: 18 August 2009 at 1:08am
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ugh, sounds like fun (pariell is right, we need a freekin dodgy) ------------- PSN Tag: AmmoLord XBL: xXAmmoLordXx ~Minister of Tinkering With Things That Go "BOOM!"(AKA Minister of Munitions)~ |
Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 18 August 2009 at 2:20am
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I never found chemistry that rough. Physics wasn't bad, but biology was always my Achilles heel, just because of the sheer amount of information that was thrown at me. ------------- 
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Posted By: procarbinefreak
Date Posted: 18 August 2009 at 4:41am
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you obviously never tried biomedical engineering. its like an EE degree... but harder. |
Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 18 August 2009 at 5:52am
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/machining ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell" 
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Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 18 August 2009 at 9:01am
Personally, I think it's unfortunate that so many BME students just use it as a pre-med degree. I think there's some pretty awesome work going in the field, but over half of the kids in our BME department are pre-med. Not that we don't need more doctors. ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
procarbinefreak wrote:Posted By: FROG MAN
Date Posted: 18 August 2009 at 10:44am
thats impresive you have an EE degree and biomed degree. yes, and obviously there is harder chem then first year... and I dont mean to get into a pissing contest about "whos degree is harder" or anything like that, just hate when people talk in absolutes for somthing they have no idea about.
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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 18 August 2009 at 10:51am
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At least you don't have to take Organic Chem. Jesus Christ...
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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 18 August 2009 at 10:57am
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I loved chem.
I hated stoichiometry. ------------- 
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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 18 August 2009 at 10:58am
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Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 18 August 2009 at 11:46am
He was just trying to use big words. ------------- Que pasa? 
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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 18 August 2009 at 12:04pm
Except it's math. -------------
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Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 18 August 2009 at 12:13pm
How'd you get through the rest of chemistry without math? ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 18 August 2009 at 12:20pm
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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 18 August 2009 at 12:58pm
I'm excellent at science, and I suck at math. It makes the math based sciences.... interesting. I aced all of chem, a senior level class, my sophomore year, even though I struggled at the math portion. -------------
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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 18 August 2009 at 1:04pm
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It took me two tries to get out of 8th grade earth science. After that, everything sucked.
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Posted By: procarbinefreak
Date Posted: 18 August 2009 at 1:34pm
i don't have any engineering degree yet. I started out as a biomed student at Milwaukee School of Engineering, and dropped out after the first year. it was way too hard. I'm now a medical technology / medical laboratory scientist major and very happy. RE: BE students using it as a stepping stone to med school, well, that's because it is one of the best degrees to get before med school. Plus, if you don't get in, you can still have a killer job... or do what my friend did and go into perfusion and work heart and lung machines. |
Posted By: Rambino
Date Posted: 18 August 2009 at 2:11pm
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Math > Physics > Chemistry > Biology
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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 18 August 2009 at 2:13pm
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Pathophysiology > * -------------
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Posted By: Rambino
Date Posted: 18 August 2009 at 3:08pm
Pathophysiology = biology
(see prior chart)
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Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 18 August 2009 at 3:12pm
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Difficulty of engineering degrees is pretty easy to figure out, just see how many people are in that specific engineering program. ------------- 
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Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 18 August 2009 at 6:08pm
...that actually makes no sense. If you were to say look at the number of people who drop out of it, or the percentage of people in that program who are MENSA members, it would almost make some sense. ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 18 August 2009 at 7:12pm
Nah, just look for the unkempt, scraggly-looking ones with a constant visage of mild panic  ------------- Real Men play Tuba [IMG]http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/1859/newsmall6xz.jpg"> PH33R TEH 1337 Dwarf! http://www.tippmann.com/forum/wwf77a/log_off_user.asp" rel="nofollow - DONT CLICK ME!!1 |
Posted By: adrenalinejunky
Date Posted: 18 August 2009 at 7:31pm
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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 18 August 2009 at 10:43pm
Fixed 
Sorry Rambs, but if you really really think about it, a Juris Doctor is just a gussied up Philosophy MA. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: Rambino
Date Posted: 19 August 2009 at 12:35am
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I don't think law fits on that scale... not exactly in the same sphere of study.
More along the lines of:
JD > MBA > PhD > dirt > MA
or
Law > Philosophy > Psychology > Sociology
or maybe
Law > Politics > Selling Cars > Telemarketing
Something like that.
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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 19 August 2009 at 12:36am
That's like saying an actuary is an insurance agent. -------------
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Posted By: Rambino
Date Posted: 19 August 2009 at 1:15am
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Not exactly. More like saying that an actuary is part of the insurance company, which is true.
Pathophysiology is a subcategory of physiology. Physiology is a subcategory of biology. Pathophysiology is therefore a subcategory of biology. For purposes of our little charting efforts, it occupies the same slot as biology.
I am not saying that pathophysiology is the same as, say, herpetology, which is what your insurance analogy would imply.
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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 19 August 2009 at 2:07am
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Nah, I like my scale better Rambs. Law is, after all, philosophy when it all comes down to it. Hence the first governments where the law was applied to the people as a whole were the governments of societies where philosophy was held in high regard. Even Sid Meyer knows that law comes from philosophy. Just play some Civ-III. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: Rambino
Date Posted: 19 August 2009 at 2:14am
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Ah, sure - but everything started as philosophy. Even "natural philosophy." By that standard, everything else is just a sub-category of philosophy, and philosophy should just be taken out of our charts entirely.
As to the study of law vs. the study of philosophy, you may have a point - but the JD is not about the study of law. That's what LLMs and JSDs are for. The JD is about learning to write super-detailed responses to silly questions, and learning how to use a shrimp fork without messing up your suit.
And in that respect, it is pretty much the opposite of a philosophy degree. :)
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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 19 August 2009 at 7:52am
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Sometimes I feel like the only non science/math/engineering nerd on these boards.
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Posted By: Rambino
Date Posted: 19 August 2009 at 10:29am
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I wouldn't worry about it. Engineering nerdery is easy to fake. Engineers are really just glorified handymen, so if you install a light fixture next weekend you can be in the club too.
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Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 19 August 2009 at 10:45am
Ha true! if you could trust them with a wrench or screw driver! ------------- Innocence proves nothing FUAC!!!!! |
Posted By: Rambino
Date Posted: 19 August 2009 at 12:22pm
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Good point. Engineers always seem to leave things less assembled than when they started.
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Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 19 August 2009 at 12:31pm
------------- Innocence proves nothing FUAC!!!!! |
Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 19 August 2009 at 12:35pm
Reminds me of a math question I heard on Car Talk the other day: How many times do you need to take apart and reassemble something like a carburetor or transmission before you have enough parts to make two? ------------- ? |
Posted By: adrenalinejunky
Date Posted: 19 August 2009 at 1:14pm
in all seriousness, i swear car bolts multiply while dissassembled. |
Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 19 August 2009 at 1:18pm
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Physics is applied mathematics. Chemistry is applied physics. Biology is applied chemistry. ------------- irc.esper.net #paintball |
Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 19 August 2009 at 2:22pm
Assembly? Isn't that why we have machinists? ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: Rambino
Date Posted: 19 August 2009 at 2:29pm
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That's the problem. Engineers think that they can assemble something just because they can AutoCAD it. Then they learn differently, and suddenly the refrigerator is on the floor in pieces.
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Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 19 August 2009 at 2:32pm
TRUTH.
and beware of "Laser Consultants". ------------- Innocence proves nothing FUAC!!!!! |
Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 19 August 2009 at 2:44pm
As long as you keep that thing away from my eyes. ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 19 August 2009 at 2:47pm
"don't look into the beam with your good eye" ------------- Innocence proves nothing FUAC!!!!! |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 19 August 2009 at 5:28pm
"Engineering Degrees: Because not everyone can be a Master Tradesman." My dad went to get his electrical engineering degree, really didn't understand why you needed all the impossible theoretical math to get it. Bowed out with an A.S. in Lighting Design. Can out draft, out design, and out perform any electrical engineer any day of the week. And he can screw in a light-bulb without blowing up the building too! ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 19 August 2009 at 5:36pm
I bet he doesn't try to turn it into a theoretical math problem either. Step-dad was a Math/Chemistry/Pre-med major. Does things like that all the time with EVERYTHING. Drives me up the wall. ------------- Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo |
Posted By: FROG MAN
Date Posted: 19 August 2009 at 11:51pm
your dad sounds like an idiot. With just breaking into some of the basics of electrical systems, theoretical math and imaginary numbers are needed. and I dont mean to get all defensive, but becoming a tradesman is really easy... If I was to fail at EE, i would become an electrician. infact, most of my idiot friends who barley made it through highschool are all now master tradesman.
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Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 20 August 2009 at 12:07am
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Electrical engineering is a very dissimilar field to lighting design these days. I'm sure tallen's dad is good at what he does, it's just not EE. Also, I can assemble in AutoCAD as well as draw. ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: FROG MAN
Date Posted: 20 August 2009 at 1:23am
engineers rarley use AutoCAD, thats more of a thechnologist/drafters job. ------------- <1 meg sig = bad> |
Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 20 August 2009 at 9:01am
 Wait, are you serious? ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 20 August 2009 at 9:03am
------------- Innocence proves nothing FUAC!!!!! |
Posted By: Rambino
Date Posted: 20 August 2009 at 12:45pm
Interesting combination. I guess Chem does kind of bridge the gap, but I don't know a lot of math people who can stand to spend any time with biology. And vice versa, for that matter.
But hey - whatever works.
:)
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Posted By: FROG MAN
Date Posted: 20 August 2009 at 2:27pm
yes, AutoCAD is out dated and almost unused in the industry for any kind of design besides layouts for printing. Its 3d capabilities are laughable bad/ ------------- <1 meg sig = bad> |
Posted By: slackerr26
Date Posted: 20 August 2009 at 3:19pm
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i use autocad for architecture and it is the best ------------- 
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Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 20 August 2009 at 3:21pm
I hate to burst your bubble, but many companies still use AutoCAD. Solidworks, Pro/E,and Inventor all write into CAD files which are necessary when applying for patents. ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: FROG MAN
Date Posted: 20 August 2009 at 4:30pm
like I said, its used for layouts, after something has been designed. Thus drafters most of the time are the ones who work with it. ------------- <1 meg sig = bad> |
Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 20 August 2009 at 4:54pm
------------- Innocence proves nothing FUAC!!!!! |
Posted By: FROG MAN
Date Posted: 21 August 2009 at 12:16am
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I worked as an electrical designer for 2 years and have never seen anything done in AutoCAD exclusivly other then 2D drawings like schems and wiring digs, or to print from other better 3d software like solid works.
I agree though im sure there is firms that still use it a ton, I mean there is still drafting done on paper for certain things like... tile layout for buildins etc.. ------------- <1 meg sig = bad> |
Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 21 August 2009 at 12:47am
Funny, your mom said the same thing. < id="gwProxy" ="">< ="jsCall;" id="jsProxy" =""> ------------- 
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Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 21 August 2009 at 1:02am
It actually makes a ton of sense. There are tons of mech engineers and civil engineers in your average college. How many aerospace engineers are there? Chemical? Nuclear? -------------
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Posted By: adrenalinejunky
Date Posted: 21 August 2009 at 1:14am
| i'm gonna have to agree with pariel on this one... how many people are doing something is not an accurate gage of how hard it is. furthermore, a small sampling is not an accurate gage of how many poeple are doing something. |
Posted By: FROG MAN
Date Posted: 21 August 2009 at 1:39am
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that is a bad example frozen, mech is always very large because there is the most work for it, not because it is the easiest. ------------- <1 meg sig = bad> |
Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 21 August 2009 at 1:48am
Supply and demand, not difficulty. ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 21 August 2009 at 1:51pm
Yes I know mech is rather difficult. Doesn't change the fact that it is a lot easier than the more specialized degrees. -------------
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Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 21 August 2009 at 1:52pm
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ITT I annoy engineers.
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Posted By: adrenalinejunky
Date Posted: 21 August 2009 at 4:38pm
or at least it seems like it would be to you, not having done both, you really aren't qualified to say definitively one is harder then the other. actually, even if you had done both you probably couldn't say that difinitively. |
Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 21 August 2009 at 5:09pm
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Well, seeing how many mech engineers originally started in chem, it's pretty safe to say I agree with me.
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Posted By: FROG MAN
Date Posted: 21 August 2009 at 6:26pm
or because they wanted a job upon grading. ------------- <1 meg sig = bad> |
Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 21 August 2009 at 6:58pm
Yea, definitely had nothing to do with how much harder chem is. You're right. -------------
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Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 21 August 2009 at 7:01pm
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Mech and aero are almost identical. Trust me, I'm a mech/aero major. Mechies can do just about anything once they graduate, that's why so many people take the degree. Again, supply and demand. Difficulty is not part of those equations.
My girlfriend is a chem major at MIT. I guarantee you it's not harder than any of the other degrees there. There are fewer job and graduate positions in chem than mechanical by a factor of 10. Also, there's no "mechanical" science to draw away people -- there is chemistry to take away chemical engineers though. ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: Rambino
Date Posted: 21 August 2009 at 8:53pm
Physics? ------------- [IMG]http://i38.tinypic.com/aag8s8.jpg"> |
Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 21 August 2009 at 8:56pm
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Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 21 August 2009 at 8:56pm
Theoretical physics and engineers don't mix well. ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 21 August 2009 at 9:02pm
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What about actual physics? I suspect those come in handy. -------------
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Posted By: Rambino
Date Posted: 21 August 2009 at 10:08pm
Which, of course, is why we point and laugh.
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Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 21 August 2009 at 10:28pm
There's not a whole lot still being learned in the area of, say, levers.
If you say so. The difference between physicists and mechies is more like cops and lawyers (who often work together yet have vastly different jobs) than chemists and chemical engineers (who also often work together, and have almost identical job descriptions). ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 21 August 2009 at 10:35pm
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Posted By: rafaelobo1
Date Posted: 21 August 2009 at 11:36pm
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jajajaja , i'm a EE student also, and the only 2 times that i have regret not getting chemistry where in materials, and at the beginning of solid state devises, after that i'm happily been stress out with my circuits classes. controls, computer dis ect ect.... just lets say that the chem class was a dark semester with repressed memories due to the trauma XD procarbinefreak: my props, BE is too much for me xD ------------- 98 custom flat line remote line stock scope |
Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 22 August 2009 at 1:03am
Good thing you decided not to major in English. ------------- Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo |