Yeah, more indoctrination of our children in Public Schools. Whoo Hoo!

 

 

Change we can believe in!

 

But I am not sure how encouraging children to think of ways to help their President and their country is a bad thing.

 

What exactly gave Obama the crediblity to be President?

 

His steller ONE term in the Senate?

 

His amazing community organization skills...

 

His corrupt friends?

 

His nominee's as czars. Looks like the "green jobs" czar is a gem in the rough.

 

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/02/white-house-green-jobs-adviser-republicans-assholes/ - http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/02/white-house-green-jobs-adviser-republicans-assholes/

 

Nice form... He must be a member on this site.

Did you notice that all the article did was say there are critics of his plan, while saying nothing substantial about the alleged indoctrination? You are just telling us there are people who do not like Obama's policies. 

 

Here is what it happening:

 

1.  The President of the United States will make a speech directed to K-12 students. 

2.  The speech will address the importance of education, setting goals, and striving for self-improvement.

3.  The speech will be available free to everybody, live online and on TV, and subsequently a free download.

4.  The DOE encourages (but does not require) teachers to let their students watch the speech.

5.  The DOE encourages (but does not require) teachers to use the speech as a teaching tool.

6.  The DOE provides free optional teaching materials to help make the speech a teaching tool.

7.  These free optional materials encourage independent thinking and the study of history, as well as goal-setting and goal-achievement.

 

Somebody please point to the bad part?

 

 

THIS is "comman sense?"

 

Allowing students to unilaterally decide not to participate in school activities, without parental approval?  This goes K-12?  Nine-year-old kids will be given a choice between watching some boring guy talk for an hour or take extra recess (or whatever)?

 

Comman sense indeed.

 

I don't know that your speculation is correct.

 

But if people had been upset about Bush giving a similar speech 8 years ago, they would have been fools then too.  Political tools and fools are just that, no matter the political affiliation.  That does not affect the underlying issue.

 

Why would I not have wanted President Bush to speak to the students of America on setting high standards for oneself?  I would have welcomed it.

Why pissed, the student can opt out of military recruiting notifacation, and pregnant female students can opt out of telling thier parents they are seeking an abortion, and other opt out programs. So why pissed?

 

I am quite confident I am not "pissed".

 

I am also quite confident neither of those circumstances you describe involve students electing not to participate in part of the curriculum, and even more confident that neither situation involves 9-year-olds.  I don't think parental consent should be required for hardly anything at all in high school.  Elementary school is a different matter.

And Peter, didn't we enjoy the extra recess way back when, when all the girls went to the auditorium for some movie?

 

Actually, I went to a school with actual sex ed.  No secret movie for the girls.  But your enjoyment of the extra recess does not make that extra recess a good thing.  Kids are in school to learn, not to have as much recess as possible.

 

 

Are we talking about the same thing here?  What speech are you talking about?  What message?

 

The speech and materials I am discussing encourages children to learn about history and current events, encourages students to listen actively and extract topics for discussion, and then to discuss those topics, and encourages students to set and achieve high goals.

 

Aren't these things we want for our kids?  Why would any parent want their child to opt out of learning?

 

I really, really, really don't see where you people are finding some evil plot in this.  Seriously - I don't.

 

 

Menu of Classroom Activities

President Obama’s Address to Students Across America

(Grades 7-12)

 

Produced by Teaching Ambassador Fellows, U.S. Department of Education

September 8, 2009

 

Before the Speech

·         Conduct a “quick write” or “think/pair/share” activity with students.  (In the latter activity, students spend a few minutes thinking and writing about the question. Next, each student is paired with another student to discuss. Finally, the students share their ideas with the class as a whole).  Teachers may choose to ask the following questions:

What ideas do we associate with the words “responsibility,” “persistence,” and “goals?”

How would we define each term?          

Teachers then may choose to create a web diagram of student ideas for each of the words.

·         Have students participate in a “quick write” or brainstorming activity.  Teachers may ask students:

What are your strengths?

What do you think makes you successful as a student and as a person? 

·         Teachers may engage students in short readings.  Teachers may post in large print around the classroom notable quotes excerpted from President Obama’s speeches on education.  Teachers might ask students to think alone, compare ideas with a partner, or share their thoughts with the class. Teachers could ask students to think about the following:

 What are our interpretations of these excerpts? 

Based on these excerpts, what can we infer that the president believes is important in order to be educationally successful? 

·         Create a “concept web.”  Teachers may ask students to think of the following:

Why does President Obama want to speak with us today?

How will he challenge us?

What might he say?

Do you remember any other historic moments when the president spoke to the nation? 

What was the impact? 

After brainstorming answers to these questions, students could create a “cause-and-effect” graphic organizer.

During the Speech

·         Teachers might conduct a “listening with purpose” exercise based on the following ideas: personal responsibility, goals, and persistence.  Teachers might ask pairs of students to create a word bank at the top of a notes page that has been divided into two columns. On the right-hand side, students could take notes (trying to capture direct quotations or main ideas) while President Obama talks about personal responsibility, goals, or persistence. At the end of the speech, students could write the corresponding terms from the word bank in the left-hand column, to increase retention and deepen their understanding of an important aspect of the speech.

·         Teachers might conduct a “listening with purpose” exercise based on the themes of inspiration and challenges.  Using a similar double-column notes page as the one described above, teachers could focus students on quotations that either propose a specific challenge to them or that inspire them in some meaningful way. Students could do this activity individually, in pairs, or in groups.

 

Transition/Quick Review 

·         Teachers could ask students to look over their notes and collaborate in pairs or small groups.  Teachers might circulate and ask students questions, such as:

What more could we add to our notes?   

What are the most important words in the speech? 

What title would you give the speech? 

What is the thesis of the speech?

 

After the Speech

 

Guided Discussion:

·         What resonated with you from President Obama’s speech?  What lines or phrases do you remember?

·         Whom is President Obama addressing?  How do you know?  Describe his audience.

·         We heard President Obama mention the importance of personal responsibility.  In your life, who exemplifies this kind of responsibility?  How?  Give examples.

·         How are the individuals in this classroom similar? How is each student different?

·         Suppose President Obama were to give another speech about being educationally successful.  To whom would he speak? Why?  What would the president say?

·         What are the three most important words in the speech?  Rank them. 

·         Is President Obama inspiring you to do anything?  Is he challenging you to do anything?

·         What do you believe are the challenges of your generation?

·         How can you be a part of addressing these challenges?

 

Video Project:

·         Teachers could encourage students to participate in the U.S. Department of Education’s “I Am What I Learn” video contest.  On September 8, the Department of Education will invite students age 13 and older to submit a video no longer than two minutes in length, explaining why education is important and how education will help them achieve their dreams.  Teachers are welcome to incorporate the same or a similar video project into a classroom assignment. More details will be released via http://www.ed.gov/ - www.ed.gov .

 

Transition/Quick Review 

·         Teachers could introduce goal-setting activities in the following way to make the most of extension activities:

 

“When you set a goal, you envision a target that you are going to reach over time.  Goals are best when they are “Challenging,” “Attainable,” and “Needed” (CAN).  For example, a good goal might be: ‘I want to boost my average grade by one letter grade this year so I can show colleges that I am prepared.’  But, every good goal also needs steps that guide the way.  These steps keep you on track toward achieving your goal.  For example, my first step might be improving in all of my subjects by one letter grade. My second step might be completing 100-percent of my homework in all of my classes during the first week of school.  My third step might be taking an extra hour to study for all of my tests during each marking period.  My fourth step might be attending a tutoring session or getting an adult to help me whenever I do not understand something.   My last step might be the most important:  asking an adult in my life to check on me often to make sure that I am completing each of my steps.   Your steps should add up to your goal.  If they don’t, that’s okay; we fix them until they do! 

 

Let’s hear another example of an academic goal for the year and decide what steps would help to achieve that goal…

 

Now I want you to write your personal academic goal for this year and the steps that you will take to achieve it.  We can revise our steps each marking period to make sure we are on track.”

 

Extension of the Speech

 

Teachers could extend learning by having students:

·         Create decorated goals and steps on material that is the size of an index card.  The index cards could be formatted as an inviting graphic organizer with a space for the goal at the top and several steps in the remaining space.  Cards could be hung in the classroom to create a culture of goal setting, persistence, and success, and for the purpose of periodic review.  (See the “Example Handout” section.)

·         Create posters of their goals.  Posters could be formatted in quadrants, puzzle pieces, or trails marked as steps.  These also could be hung around the room, to be reviewed periodically and to create a classroom culture of goal setting and for the purpose of periodic review.

·         Interview and share their goals with one another and the class, establishing community support for their goals.

·         Create incentives or contests for achieving their personal goals.

·         Write about goals and the steps to achieve them in a variety of genres such as poems, songs, or personal essays.

·         Create artistic representations of goals and the steps to achieve them.

 

 

 

This is all about Obama?  How so?  The exercises are to encourage thinking about the speech they just heard.  Since that speech was given by Obama, it seems logical that the exercises would involve Obama (you, as opposed to somebody who DIDN'T give the speech they just listened to).

 

I remember doing this type of exercise in a variety of contexts.  It's just good active listening practice.

 

And, of, course, Obama IS in fact the President.  Shouldn't he use that celebrity to encourage students to work hard in school?

 

Would you rather they did this exercise with Van Halen lyrics instead?

Motivational speaking vs agenda pushing.....where is the line, and how broad is to be drawn here?

 

WHERE IS THE AGENDA?!  Where?  Please point to the agenda.  I see no agenda.  Please show me.

Was there ever this amount of "positive" response to anything Bush in this 8 years?

 

Are you kidding?

 

 

A good "rah rah" speach good, a graded exercise after, bad............

 

The DOE is providing materials to schools at no charge.  Similar materials from the private sector cost money, and lots of it.  How is this bad?  Schools are strapped for cash - shouldn't we appreciate that the Federal government is helping?

 

These materials are not in any way "graded" or even required by the DOE.  Now, teachers may choose to require their students to do these (or similar) exercises, and then grade them - GOOD!  Isn't that the purpose of school?  To require students to do educational things, and then check their performance?

 

Why are you so opposed to our children doing something useful in school?

 

 

 

What - agenda - are - you - talking - about?  What agenda is the President pushing here?

 

The only agenda I see here is "learn history and current events, set goals, and work to achieve them."  How is this a political issue at all?

 

Our President wants to tell our kids to stay in school and work hard, and people are getting upset about it.

 

Seriously - what am I missing?

 

 

 

We are entering an Obamanation, and the fact that you guys pretend that the political implications of this are nothing, just proves your inability to reason.

 

How about the NEA (national endowment for the Arts) a group FUNDED by taxdollars mind you, THEY are now on board to "push" the white house agenda.

 

I'm sure your fine with that as well. Just remember, when the tides change, all this is OK and acceptable.

 

So if someone who is from the right is in the white house, he can then go into the schools and talk to them about their relationship with God. And he can push the arts to focus on God instead of man...

 

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,545660,00.html - http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,545660,00.html

 

 

Talk about biting the hand that feeds you.

 

http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-finger-bitten-rally,0,7135717.story - http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-finger-bitten-rally,0,7135717.story

 

 

 

 

The "death panel" could be true depending on how far the government decides to take it in the future, your inability to see the logic makes your points moot.

 

http://whitehouse.blogs.foxnews.com/2009/08/19/obama-on-death-panels-an-extraordinary-lie/ - http://whitehouse.blogs.foxnews.com/2009/08/19/obama-on-death-panels-an-extraordinary-lie/

 

But even lawmakers who disagree with Palin's characterization, do not consider the House language on end-of-life counseling purely voluntary and analysts such as Charles Lane have said a debate about the scope of the House's intended intervention on this turf is not only valid but politically crucial.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/07/AR2009080703043.html?nav=emailpage - Read Lane here:

And if you want to read through the relevant section of the House bill, the entire bill is http://edlabor.house.gov/documents/111/pdf/publications/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf - here

The relevant section is 1233 of the pending House bill.

 

 

And yet...

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/6127514/Sentenced-to-death-on-the-NHS.html - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/6127514/Sentenced-to-death-on-the-NHS.html

 

Under NHS guidance introduced across England to help doctors and medical staff deal with dying patients, they can then have fluid and drugs withdrawn and many are put on continuous sedation until they pass away.

 

Then why this from "the one"?...

 

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/03/white-house-withdraws-students-help-obama/ - http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/03/white-house-withdraws-students-help-obama/

 

 

Ka POW!

 

 

Headshot! and in the words of our socialist based eternal leader.

 

 

"I WON".

 

you owe me $5 slacker.

 

 

I love preserving predictions for checking later.  Especially bold ones like this.

 

I will that a question posed - and as a parent I applaud the President's involvement with education.  I am most certainly NOT "ok" with the tinfoil-hattery that has put schools in the awkward situation of having to offer NOT to teach useful things to their students.

 

 

 

 

 

Not sure I agree.  It is hard to compare different times, of course, but most classes I see on schedules are still "real" studies, not these "social engineering classes" - and I'm not really sure what you mean by that.

 

Back in the day, when the "Greatest Generation" (the depression and WW2 generation) were in charge, Social Studies was a requirement and not taught by the football coach to give him a legitimate reason to be employed.

 

I absolutely agree that allowing underqualified people teach anything at all is bad, and I deplore the ongoing emphasis on athletics over academics in American schools.

 

But given your statement, why then are you opposed to the President specifically encouraging social studies?  The DOE materials are basically a review of political history and current events.  I would think you would favor this.

 

Since the "reforms" of the 60's and 70's, kids know how to put a rubber on a banana but have no real history or civic education.

 

First off, sex ed is very important.  Learning proper prophylactic use is very important.

 

Second, I am not sure what you mean by the "real" history or civic education that is lacking - and again, I wonder why you oppose the President's attempt at injecting a little history and civics into the lesson plan for a day.

 

I never saw "child care" facilities in my High School (a large urban school) let alone Junior High's as mandated today.

 

No, because girls that got pregnant just dropped out instead.

 

We did not even have legal access (pre 1973)to all these new birth control items, yet the pregnancy rate was far below todays teens, wonder why?

 

Are you really sure that is true...?  You might check your sources.  Many early studies of "teen pregnancy" excluded pregnancies within marriage - and since shotgun marriages were far more prevalent then than now, that would tend to skew the results.

 

But what is certain is that teen pregnancy rates have been steadily dropping for decades.  What is also certain is that the US has the highest teen pregnancy rate of any "developed" country - and most of those other developed countries have more and better sex ed and easier access to birth control than we do in the US.  But that is perhaps a different point.

 

It is the 60's and 70's and early 80's counter culture who are now the educators enacting thier social experimentation on today's youth

 

What is this social experimentation?  Examples?

 

teach to test is the new standard.

 

Now this is a real problem.  It is a tricky one, though - we presumably want some standards for education to ensure minimum quality, but how to do that without testing, and how to have testing without encouraging teachers to focus on the test?  Tough one.

The rift between the generations is highlighted here everyday, the idealogs of youth vs the expierience of age.

 

Yet there are old idealogues in the world.  How is it possible that Ted Kennedy and you didn't agree on everything?

 

...of course the schools are failing.

 

Now, I have plenty of beefs with the public schools, but I would not go so far to say that the schools are "failing."  They do a daunting task very well - but clearly we could do better.

*******By the way according to Marx, it is easier to indoctronate children in social reform, than to fight thier parents openly on them*****

 

Or, to restate:  "as any fool knows, get'em young."  Not sure how Marx is relevant.

 

 

??

 

I am FAR more involved in my children's schooling than my parents ever were in mine.  Every school I know encourages immense parent participation, including extensive in-class participation.  Homework assignments for the young ones require parent participation.

 

We are far more involved in the lives of our children now than before, IMO, and sometimes overly so.  Are you familiar with the term "helicopter parents?"

 

 

With all the social reforms enacted since 1964 the Leave it to Beaver, "stay at home mom" became impossible with the additional tax burdens on the parents.

 

I am going to keep saying this:  the tax burden for many, if not most, Americans is far lower now than it was in 1964.

 

But yes, it was easier to have a one-income family in 1964 than it is today.  That is due to a lot of things, among them the great current disparity in income between the top quartile and bottom quartiles, which in turn is due in part to the lower taxes on the wealthy today.

 

In other words, you have it exactly backwards.

 

With the counter-culture attitudes fostered by the post 1964 parents, the social structure of the entire family changed.

 

Agreed.  It is generally not considered a bad thing for a married woman to hold a paying job.

 

Welfare payments based on the single mom, producing babies in what the NYT's once called "Breeding for Dollars", kept fathers out of the social equation except to pay child support.

 

That's more than just a little overstated, and also a problem that has waned significantly after Clinton's welfare reform.

 

No longer were parents in charge or allowed to be by certian education policies enacted since 1964.

 

How am I not in charge?

The abortion advise non-notifacation of parents in public school policy highlights one simple facet of these policies keeping the parent accountable but unknowing in the education process.

 

Unless they are performing abortions at the school, I don't see what one has to do with the other.  Abortion notification rules and education policy are not the same issue.

And how can parents compete with a system where "new math", "phonics" and other abstract concepts are taught, that the parent has no concept of the reasoning behind it.

 

So, we should not improve teaching methodologies or teach new advancements because the parents can't keep up?

 

Hate to break it to you, but the purpose of education is to teach the children, not make the parents feel useful.

 

And "abstract concepts" like phonics are useful and powerful tools.  I for one was thrilled to see that math was being taught to my son in an intelligent (and abstract) fashion rather than just memorizing tables. 

 

 

The 2+2=5 if it makes you feel good, there are no failures, there is no score in sports, concept of education does not prepare kids for real world applications.

 

I keep hearing people tell me about this whole "no score in sports" business, but I have never seen it.  I guess it exists, but it can't be as prevalent as you make it out to be. 

 

My son has medals for beating the snot out of other kids and making them cry.  Is that real world enough for you?

 

 

 

 

Critics are particularly upset about lesson plans the administration created to accompany the speech. The lesson plans, available online, originally recommended having students "write letters to themselves about what they can do to help the president."

 

^ is political.

 

No matter how you spin it, asking CHILDREN to write letters about how they can HELP the President.

 

Help him do what?

 

Pass "Obama" care (of course kids would think of that as it HAS HIS NAME in it).

Be more "enviromentally conscious", another of Obama's "ideals".

Help him take over more companies, banks and automakers?...

 

To be so "smart" this administration sure pulls some doozies.

 

 

 

but, don't worry Biden said the stimulus worked better than we planned...

 

http://www.philly.com/philly/business/homepage/20090904_Biden__Stimulus_program_a_success.html - http://www.philly.com/philly/business/homepage/20090904_Biden__Stimulus_program_a_success.html

 

course Ohio is at about 14 percent unemployment. If putting everyone on the government doll was the goal, then I would have to agree with him.

 

This "stimulus" was a joke, and major waste of money we DON'T have.

 

Typical of a liberal, spend what you don't have, and let someone else worry about it.

 

THE PRESIDENT CHANGED IT. After the outrage.

 

 

Remember my headshot reference...

 

Seriously, I wonder about reading comprehension today...

 

 

Oh, and Biden said the Stimulus worked BETTER than expected.

 

yeah, and the promise was that unemployement wouldn't go past 8 percent if we "hurried up and passed it".

 

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Jobless-rate-at-97-pct-216K-apf-2503296744.html?x=0&.v=14 - http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Jobless-rate-at-97-pct-216K-apf-2503296744.html?x=0&.v=14

 

What a dunce.

 

I wonder if he thinks the cost of Obamacare will be in line with their estimates too...

 

This administration is a joke, and they think Americans are stupid...

 

Well, after seeing how poorly you guys comprehend stuff, I guess they have a point... nvrmnd.

 

http://www.philly.com/philly/business/homepage/20090904_Biden__Stimulus_program_a_success.html - http://www.philly.com/philly/business/homepage/20090904_Biden__Stimulus_program_a_success.html

 

"Vice President Biden yesterday proclaimed success beyond expectations for the government's $787 billion economic-stimulus program"

 

Don't get your panties twisted, I was simply trying to help. I personally don't have an agenda either way. When reading through the lesson plan, I have to admit, I am on the fence. While I want my children to be somewhat politically aware, I do not want them to be sheep and follow along simply because one party or the other is in power and think that everything they say or do is correct. I am 100% for questioning authority, especially if it needs to be questioned. I disagree with a lot of things that are happening right now and am not 100% sure I like the tone of the lesson plan, even the updated one. There should be more opportunity for children to express differing ideas.  Maybe a few questions discussing the ways to properly express your differing veiwpoints and/or how to contact your representatives. It should be balanced, and it's not.

 

And to FE et.al, do you think it's possible that the lesson plan was changed because it was agreed that it had quesionable phrasing in it? I would agree that the opposing side needs to accept an olive branch every once in awhile. I wonder if Obama even saw the lesson plan prior to the publishing of it? If they were looking for true indoctrination, would they have actually published the documents and made them so readily available for scrutiny? It's not like armed Brown Shirts are hand delivering the lesson plans and standing guard in every classroom to make sure they are followed to the T. C'mon.

 

I also think we are mostly on the same page that Biden is a tool.

 

How is that automatically political?

 

First off, the President is an employee of the Federal government.  He has a job to do, just like other government employees.  If a police officer asks you for help, do you first look for political motives?  When the local mayor asks for volunteers to help clean up the parks, is that a plan to indoctrinate the youth?

 

Helping the President of YOUR COUNTRY is not automatically a partisan thing.

 

Heck, back in the day, we used to call helping the President "patriotic."  Some people occasionally even went so far as to say that criticizing the President was "unpatriotic."

 

Second, you have to look in context.  Back on page 3 I copied what I believe to be the original program for grades 7-12.  Without cherry-picking, read the whole thing through.  Does it read like a political document? Or does it just look like a study of goals and motivations.

 

Picking two lines out of a two-page document, without providing context, seems just a little off.

 

 

Pass "Obama" care (of course kids would think of that as it HAS HIS NAME in it).

 

The bill is not actually called "Obamacare" - you know that, right?

 

 

Be more "enviromentally conscious", another of Obama's "ideals".

 

Because waste and excess are core conservative values?

 

 

Help him take over more companies, banks and automakers?...

 

... you are overwhelming me with your historical blanks.  Do you suddenly wake up and realize that you have blacked out for a decade or two?

 

 

But, of course, the question for you is this:  Do you have any evidence whatsoever that Obama will speak on any of these subjects?  The official statement from the DOE is that the speech will be about the importance of education.  Do you have evidence that Arne is lying, and the speech is actually going to be a pitch for the President's proposed tax cuts?  er, I mean healthcare reform?

 

 

So, to summarize:

 

The big evil conspiracy consists of this:  The democratically elected President of YOUR country is asking the children to take education seriously, and to think of how they might help the elected leader of their country.

 

Oh, the humanity.

 

 

I agree that there is always a certain element of irrational opposition, but frankly I think this is setting a new high (or low).  I spent the last 8 years being annoyed and embarrassed by the "ABB" crowd, and rolling my eyes at calls for GW's impeachment, but the frenzy we have seen in the last 7+ months is far beyond anything I can recall with Bush.  For sure, this is more extreme by orders of magnitude than the crap Clinton faced, and he had a standing special prosecutor.

 

Maybe I will feel differently a decade after Obama leaves office, but at the moment this looks like all-time record lunacy.

Again a good "rah rah" speech good thing for education, political slants of any ways means or form, bad.

 

... and where is the slant?  "Help the President?"

 

And again the inability of youth (here) to see anything above and beyond their practiced belief system is telling.

 

I never know whether you consider me among the youth or not, but let me assure you that my "practiced belief system" is not at play here.

 

 

Lets look at the last time he spoke to the "youth" specifically.

 

During his presidential campaign Obama also told a forum of MTV and MySpace viewers that he opposed longer terms.

"Don't tell folks that they are going to be going for a 12-month tour, and then it ends up being a 17-month tour. Don't tell them they're supposed to be on one tour, and then suddenly they're on three tours. That, I think, is very important," he said at the time. 

And yet...

 

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/03/gates-faces-tough-mission-afghanistan-new-strategy-succeed/ - http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/03/gates-faces-tough-mission-afghanistan-new-strategy-succeed/

 

Members of the 82nd Airborne Division headquarters serving in Afghanistan have been told their tours will be extended by 52 days from 12 months to nearly 14 months.

 

He has been proven to lie, and to manipulate people with his words, to get his desired effect.

 

You can choose to ignore the countless examples and put your trust in him, but I don't. So keep him out of the classroom.

 

If he truely were interested in "just having a speech" then the text of the speech would have been available prior.

 

It wasn't, he has stated over and over, that he WILL PASS healthcare, even though the majority of Americans don't want it.

 

He has stated he will push through cap and trade, again, even though the majority of Americans don't want that.

 

He has stated he would end the war. And yet MORE troops are heading over to that part of the world to die...

 

And for what?... What is the goal? If we wanted to get rid of terrorists, we could do it with pinpoint strikes from the air, never setting foot there.

 

No this is "nation building"... These people are hell bent on destroying us. And we pretend like we can help them...

 

 

Believe what you want. I don't trust the guy.

 

 

He promised his first job would be to "help main street".

 

We on main street have seen everyone else being "bailed out" and all we get is the bill...

 

You can have him. I want my change and hope back.

 

 

http://www.census2010.gov/epcd/www/smallbus.html - http://www.census2010.gov/epcd/www/smallbus.html

 

And they are not happy to pay the bill for the unions, bankers, and "big business" while we get thrown to the curb and the so called "stimulus" bill does nothing for us but raise our tax burden...

 

 

don't worry, I still have a job... But, most of you won't as the costs of this administration start to hit the people that actually pay for this stuff...