Yeah, work is boring enough I'm reading Drudge and double posting

 

So kind of curious where the various political minds on the forum stand with this issue. The article raises a good point though, one that I've never thought of.

 

Undocumented aliens comprise alot of ER visits in this country, working in an ER  admissions department I see the mass quantities just in my small town area. So if illegal immigrants were provided the oppurtunity to buy into the universal healthcare that some on the left are desperately pushing, is there a chance that they would be willing to take their children to the local doc and incur significantly less cost to the healthcare system? As it stands there's mass abuse of the ER treatment facilities by illegal aliens (of course legal Americans do the same, but for the sake of discussion...), and bills incurred that the American tax payer is shouldering regardless.

 

That being said, the whole idea of extending nationalized insurance to undocumented, illegal aliens makes me shudder. Hell, nationalized healthcare makes me shudder. But I will concede, if the system does pass, this is a road we will inevitably cross.

 

Discuss.

 

Also: http://www.tippmann.com/forum/wwf77a/forum_posts.asp?TID=182995 - http://www.tippmann.com/forum/wwf77a/forum_posts.asp?TID=182995

I do not understand your question or the point that you are asking were trying to illustrate, but I already live and compete for employment in Los Angeles and I do not have a problem with "illegal" immigrants, nor do I feel that they are a drain on society. If anything, most of them are a bigger benefit to our economy and society than many citizens are. Most are in the United States working (and paying taxes) to achieve the American Dream, while many citizens doing nothing and just are waiting for entitlements to be dropped in their laps.

I could use your argument to complain that that people speed on the highways tax dollars paid for. Therefore lets get rid of all highways. 

 

http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=iic_immigrationissuecenters7fd8 - http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=iic_immigrationissuecenters7fd8

 

And yes, I know the article says that illegal immigrants do not account for as much public assitance, but only because they are not eligible. What happens when they are legalized? Will they suddenly start bucking the trend? Will they continue working when they are not eligible to sit on their butt and collect welfare rather than picking fruit in 100 degree weather?

 

As far as taxes, yes they pay sales tax, but truly how many of them pay income tax? And since the vast majority of them are most likely at or below the poverty line, what is their real impact in regards to sales taxes? Are they going out and buying new cars? 50" plasmas? Dining at LaScalas? Probably not. Further, they may or may not be paying local property taxes, but if their kids are born here they get to go to our schools. Since many states schools are funded by property taxes and/or state income taxes.....

 

I'm not advocating giving illegal immigrants insurance by any stretch, I think most of you know how I feel about illegal immigration status in this country, but don't kid yourself into believing that you're not already paying alot of money to keep illegal immigrants healthy.

 

In fact, I'll go as far as to say we really already have a form of universal healthcare. It's called the ER. Then we could get into indigent plans, Medicaid, Medicare, etc etc etc etc...

 

Nobody is paying their medical bills. Just because you don't have insurance, and you incur costly ER bills, doesn't mean you pay them. Because a massive majority do not. They come to my emergency room for a runny nose, complain to me about how unfair it is that they don't have universal healthcare, give me a story about how they're 27 and can't work, then hand me their medicaid card and I stare at them in utter confusion. Or else they just don't have insurance and flat out tell me they're not going to pay me anything because they know they don't have to.

Thanks to the 8th Ammendment which prohibits cruel and unusual punishment.

Because it would stop potential liberals from crossing into our country.

 

NB4, " I was being sarcastic you retard!"

 

But at the same time, I would like to knew that national healthcare does not extend to abortions, as dictated by federal law. Currently federal dollars may only go to an abortion if it's for rape, incest, or a life threatening situation for the mother. Anything other than that is unacceptable.

If they did it to themselves and have no intentions of changing, why is it my responsability to pay for it? If you are determined to kill yourself, do it with your money, don't use mine to do it.

 

However, in most cases, you do have a choice as to whether or not you have sex, realizing that even protected sex can get you pregnant. You SHOULD have to pay for that. Problem is, if you have to pay for one and not the other, everyone is just going to lie and scream rape.