Review: Tippmann X-7 Phenom
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Topic: Review: Tippmann X-7 Phenom
Posted By: Evil Elvis
Subject: Review: Tippmann X-7 Phenom
Date Posted: 21 October 2009 at 7:06pm
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I have always been a very lucky Marine. And last Summer I was privy to something utterly awesome. I got to take an early version of the marker that would Become the X-7 Phenom through it's paces. Here is my review on it. When I was told that it used X-7 mods I was glad for those like myself who have invested on the X-7.
Upon un-boxing it became clear that this was a different Tippmann, It looked like an X-7 but it was smaller and lighter. The external air line was gone. It had a built in E-grip with a 3 stage selector switch. Also the Cyclone was different and upon closer inspection it was really different. The velocity adjustment screw was gone and it's place was a wheel in the marker that adjusted the internal regulator. My early prototype had standard X-7 Styled Sights which I though did not do the Marker Justice. So I swapped them out for the Salvo Sights and I liked the look better. I am glad that It seems that Tippmann took my Suggestion and put the newer sights on the Phenom. I rushed and grabbed a fresh case of Paint and I grabbed this old case of RPS premium tournament bronze paintballs, and By old I used this paint about 2 years ago to shoot up Tallen and his Girlfriend. I keep paint pretty good i rotate them often so they had small dimples on top but nothing crazy. But I am sure that most cyclones would turn that into soup. http://img32.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gedc0017.jpg"> 
I put the X-36 folding stock on the marker and it fit like a glove, I added a foregrip mounted on the bottom picattini rail of the new shortened shroud (my favorite cosmetic add on). The Marker then really came together. It felt solid the marker is light and has a balanced feeling. http://img194.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gedc0019.jpg"> 
I aired up the marker and it took about 4 shots to get it to chrono at 285fps. I play mostly with CO2 so I like to give myself a few FPS to be in the safe zone in case of a CO2 spike. The new Tippmann Flex Valve performs great with CO2. In Mechanical Semi, And the two Electronic modes I had programed "Responsive" and "Safety Full auto" I got consistent strings. I did not have any noticeable Drop off and my hand held Radar-Chrony. The marker was compared side by side with an X-7, my Alpha Black Project Salvo as expected in group size and on accuracy while firing at a moving target (a large rubber ball that my kid pulled on a rope) firing at 60 feet I loved how easy it was to get short bursts of paintballs on target consistently even in a moving target. http://img39.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gedc0020m.jpg"> 
While fun and all, it wasn't until that weekend that I was able to put it through it's paces against actual opponents. Playing with a Mix of old and new paint the new Cyclone and the Flex Valve worked flawlessly for me. I did not had one Break on the "7" prototype I had. The Stock held up as expected with no wobble at the mounting point nor any problems when folded. http://img30.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gedc0016p.jpg"> 
Switching between modes was easy. Using the wrench that's in the Magazine Tool kit i was able to test several modes in play before realizing that Semi, Turbo and Full Auto is the way to go. The Selector switch is comfortable and easy to get into modes once you work it in a bit. I used an old Lapco Bigshot on it and it handled the mix of paint quite well with no barrel breaks nor any issues on accuracy. While the slight tippy recoil is gone this helped greatly on quickly walking rounds on exposed limbs and or small openings on the cover my opponents where hiding behind. I have played with Team mates Space guns and this had the shooting posture of the Tourney types with it's low operating pressure as compared to other Tippmanns I have. I think this will be like when you Upgrade your Internet Speed, there just isn't really going back. http://img18.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gedc0021.jpg"> 
On feel the marker just feels solid in your hand with the X-36 stock and foregrip had that nice and tight SMG feel. The raised rails match up to existing X-7 hardware and shrouds. After transplanting the Sights from the Project Salvo and the Sling Point I was able to put a Hasty sling into it. My Daughter loved the marker, as a matter of a fact she added one on her X-mas list. She has fired just about all my markers and this one she loved in weight, feel and how it shoots over all my other markers. She quickly picked up on modes and how to get good strings out on targets. ------------- 
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Posted By: Evil Elvis
Date Posted: 21 October 2009 at 7:58pm
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Aside from the way this Marker shoots, I have to say this new Revamped Cyclone is probably the most suddle but amazing upgrade this marker has. It just keeps up with the Marker now matter how hard you shoot it. I used a mix of Old and New paint and it just kept loading and firing without any breaks nor "Popcorn effect". -------------
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Posted By: God
Date Posted: 21 October 2009 at 8:36pm
| Your review and others have definitely got me excited about getting one! |
Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 21 October 2009 at 8:44pm
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Alright! #28 arrived via the UPS man today when I was home for lunch break. Needless to say, I was late getting back to work.  Impressions: Out of the box- It just seems to be much more streamlined than the X7. The ease which this thing breaks down is amazing. Things are a bit stiff yet, but it is brand new, we'll see what happens as it gets used and abused a little bit. Integrated gas line: Beautiful. I liked the black coated gas line of the X7, but to get rid of it altogether is a stroke of brilliance. It really cleans up the look of the marker. I don't care for the stock sights, but that's easily remedied since they're detachable. One thing I'm really, really happy about is the manual. Its very complete, and very easy to read and figure out. Back to the marker itself, the lack of mid-barrel is also something I'm pleased about. At the risk of parroting the press release and EE's post, I'll wait until I can put some paint through it before I go any further. In all seriousness though, I give this one a very enthusiastic two thumbs up. As far as my first impression goes, this one lives up to the hype, and didn't disappoint after the excitement I felt when I found out this was being released. ------------- ? |
Posted By: TSSOC.Professor
Date Posted: 22 October 2009 at 5:52am
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Posted By: TSSOC.Professor
Date Posted: 23 October 2009 at 5:19pm
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In case any of you would like an up close look at the Phenom, TSSOC
will be at Barney's http://www.blackmarketwar.com - Heartbreak Ridge game this weekend in Plattekill,
NY. Stop by and say hi.
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Posted By: fcom
Date Posted: 25 October 2009 at 11:40pm
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i agree with God! Nice review bro!
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Posted By: TSSOC.Professor
Date Posted: 27 October 2009 at 7:18am
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Tri-State Special Operations Command's Chris "topher" Matsinger, Chris "DeathX" Crawford, and Simon "Bulldog" Nadler will be on - PBLive.tv , Wednesday, October 28 at 9:00PM ET/6:00PM PT, to do a Q&A session about Tippmann's new X7 Phenom. To join the PBLive Chat Board, go to http://chatroll.com/paintball-live - http://chatroll.com/paintball-live . Post your questions there. Also on the show will be Brian "MOATI" Russell talking about Special Ops Paintball and his new company, Extreme StitchWorks. If you haven't already read TSSOC's review on the new Tippmann X7 Phenom, check it out - here . ------------- http://www.tristatespecops.com" rel="nofollow"> TSSOC is proud to represent G.I. Sportz |
Posted By: TSSOC.Professor
Date Posted: 28 October 2009 at 6:03am
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9:00PM ET/6:00PM PT Into the Woods" with LJ Marcus 10:00PM ET/7:00PM PT Ryan "RyanTheMighty" McDonald interviews Brian "Moati" Russell about Special Ops Paintball and Extreme StitchWorks 10:30PM ET/7:30PM PT Ryan "RyanTheMighty" McDonald interviews Chris "Topher" Matsinger, Chris "DeathX" Crawford, and Simon "Bulldog" Nadler of TSSOC about the Tippmann X7 Phenom. In addition to joining the live chat at chatroll, you can Skype:Pblive, or twitter.com/pblive ------------- http://www.tristatespecops.com" rel="nofollow"> TSSOC is proud to represent G.I. Sportz |
Posted By: paintballplaya7
Date Posted: 02 November 2009 at 10:58am
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does it require a secondary regulator, considering the output pressure of tanks is like 800, to get the efficiency out of the lower operating pressure ------------- *Custom Pro *Cyclone feed *X7 hopper *M16 Carry Handle *BT 16 Apex Barrel *Car Stock *remote *camo paint job *Single point sling *JT Full Coverage Camo *realtree RAP4 vest |
Posted By: Evil Elvis
Date Posted: 02 November 2009 at 7:50pm
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Well my Production Model (SN/0000027) came in and I noticed some Improvements over the Early Prototype I had. Most noticeably where Cyclone Improvements, I was really Impressed with the "Out-the-box" performance of the newer cyclone on the Prototype. This new cycloned sported new paddles, They even addressed an Issue that I didn't had a problem but someone must had suggested or came across. The Macroline that feeds the Cyclone is now encased in a protective spring. This should eliminate any chances of kinks on the Exposed line since the older Banjo fittings have been removed in favor of a maintenance friendlier system.
I haven't fired it yet. But I put the trusty Big Shot and I have a Bag of Dimpled year old DXS Tourney Bronze to shoot tomorrow to see how the marker will handle paint as compared to the Outstanding peformance I found on the original Prototype. As some questions where asked on some other Boards about the New Shorter length Body and the Cyclone and the X-36 Folding Stock. I took some Pics tonight having to rob a remote control of batteries to show quickly. I'll try to shoot a Video of how the Stock SNAPS closed and stays there tight against the Cyclone housing. A view of the Stock Folded http://img266.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gedc0008j.jpg"> 
A view from Above http://img18.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gedc0009.jpg">  -------------
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Posted By: paintballplaya7
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 12:49pm
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anyone have an answer to my question above? ^^ ------------- *Custom Pro *Cyclone feed *X7 hopper *M16 Carry Handle *BT 16 Apex Barrel *Car Stock *remote *camo paint job *Single point sling *JT Full Coverage Camo *realtree RAP4 vest |
Posted By: God
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 1:16pm
| I am still waiting for my new HPA tank in the mail so I havent been able to test your question, but nothing in the included manual says you need a secondary regulator to get the efficiency out of the lower operating pressure. |
Posted By: Evil Elvis
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 5:24pm
No it doesn't require a secondary regulator. I shoot it all summer with CO2 and didn't have any Issues with Velocity, shot drop off nor consistency. -------------
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paintballplaya7 wrote:Posted By: God
Date Posted: 09 November 2009 at 10:23pm
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Here are my thoughts on this exciting marker! Hope you enjoy reading. Tippmann X-7 Phenom This marker definitely lives up to its name! Rarely does a player come across a marker that is so complete (yet customizable,) easy to maintain and operate, and a blast to use. When I received the marker the first thing that I noticed was the small and compact box the marker arrived in. After experiencing this marker for almost a week, the expression “good things come in small packages” comes to mind. Despite its small size the Phenom’s box commands attention and provides a wealth of information about the marker contained inside. Earlier in the year, I noticed an announcement that Tippmann made the effort to push to a “greener” business and the box is a great example of the effort’s success. The foam inside is cut out perfectly and will keep the marker well protected in-between use. The Tippmann X-7 Phenom marker is lighter, shorter, and comes with a longer barrel than the X-7 marker. Another major difference is the Phenom is an electro-pneumatic marker that uses an open bolt blow forward spool valve system. The spool valve design eliminates recoil; therefore less aim adjustment between each shoot is required. This is especially important in making sure every shot counts when the marker is firing at 15 bps. The low profile hopper still holds 200 paintballs but sits lower than previous cyclone hoppers. The hopper did require a fair amount of force to install and remove, but I had no worries that the lid would stay closed and not unexpectedly pop open. The cyclone feed paddles have been improved to not break paintballs while easily keeping up with full auto fire rate (no batteries necessary). Adjusting the velocity on this marker has changed from previous Tippmann markers. Instead of twisting a screw left and right, adjustments are made by turning the adjustor upwards and downwards. Players still have the option of using CO2, compressed air, or nitrogen with this marker. Also a remote line, which is my preferred method, can be connected and used. For those who wish to do so, air thru stock systems can still be attached. I am thrilled that the stock Phenom comes with only top and bottom picantinny rails. Having picantinny rails on each side of the X-7 marker made it uncomfortable to hold under the stock shroud. The picantinny rails that are included can be used to attach any number of accessories. I always appreciate sling mounts and this marker does not disappoint in that option. The internal gasline is a dream that has come true. Since my I first purchased a Tippmann marker my biggest cosmetic complaint was that the gasline was exposed. The Phenom cleverly uses the space within the hand grip to hide the gasline, while also encloses the electronic board and battery. The three position selector switch makes this marker easily switched between the safe position, manual trigger pull, and the electronically controlled firing modes. The marker is pre-programmed with five different firing modes. Three round burst, full auto, auto response, turbo mode, and semi auto are the different options a player can select. With the help of the manual, switching between each mode and understanding each firing mode is simple. The manual also covers how to fine tune each firing mode in the advanced programming section. Players that follow this guide will see how easily the setting can be adjusted. Also helpful is the marker’s low battery feature. “As the battery loses power, the LED stops flashes green, and changes to flashing red.” Players no longer have to guess if their marker’s battery is going to die in the middle of play. If this does happen, a player can easily move the selector switch to the manual fire mode and continue to manually fire the marker. This option is not available with most electronic markers. Just as easy is the ability for a player to switch the battery. The battery door pops out of the back of the grip and the battery can be accessed and replaced. As always, Tippmann generously includes tools, supplies, and barrel blocks, most of which fit into the magazine clip of the marker. With this marker, the quick-release tools storage magazine fits snuggly and releases smoothly from its holder. I comfortably use the feature as a front grip. This marker is also one of the easiest markers to maintain. Just pop open the back, remove a few parts, and oil. Just as easy is the process to return the parts when maintenance is complete. One last thing, this marker is a Tippmann so that means this marker is built to last. When push comes to shove, I would take this marker over any other electro-marker and not have to worry about breaking anything. This marker is definitely not going to break down on game day spoiling all the fun. Overall, I love this marker. Full auto capability, no visible gasline, easy maintenance, no recoil, sling mounts, and durability are all favorite features of this marker. |
Posted By: Dmon68
Date Posted: 10 November 2009 at 9:44pm
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First off, I would like to say that I am new to the paintball scene, but I really like playing games and I am tired of using bad rental guns. I have heard and read a lot about the X7 Phenom and I am thinking about ordering one. I know that Tippmann has a reputation for building tough, durable markers that can withstand being submerged in water without effecting the operation of the gun. But since the Phenom also has electrical parts I have no idea as to how well it will take any form of water damage. (My friend is a sponsored player and has a $1,000+ electronically controlled gun that can not even take a little rain without compromising the entire system.) That being said, I was wondering if anyone knows how well guarded the electrical components of the X7 Phenom are and how much water exposure the Phenom can take and still remain perfectly operational? Thank you. |
Posted By: DHallak
Date Posted: 12 November 2009 at 6:24pm
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Ok, here's my review. As most of you guys know, I am a hands down X7 lover. I've had tons and tons of guys give me tons of crap about using an x7, using a tippmann, not upgrading to an electro, etc, etc, etc. I love my X7. I know it's not the most efficient marker, I know it's not the most accurate marker, but I love it. It suits my style, and I like to look milsim, and as you guys know, I love to mod for the x7. This weekend I got to use a high end etek ego, my x7, and a phenom. I loved the phenom. I was reluctant to use it at first, but figured what the heck, if tippmann was great enough to send us one, the least I could do was try it out. I'm a convert. It felt the same in my hands as my x7. Rugged, durable, and minus the mag (which is locked in very securely unlike the x7's stock mag) it was able to accept every foregrip and stock that I've modded. I wasn't sure what to expect when I went out onto the field with it, but I ended up falling in love with it. I was able to shoot nearly an entire case of paint with my x7 before having to refll my 68/4500 hpa tank, which is unheard of for me. with my x7, it was 1100 rounds and I was out of air. The firing action was very very smooth. I got to fire a bob long m-tac I think it's called at a local paintball store there, and I didn't like it because it had 0 our of 10 recoil. I felt like I was firing a heavy squirt gun with that thing. The phenom, though operating at such a low pressure gave me a very slight kick, nowhere NEAR my x7's kick, but enough to where I was still satisfied to feel a slight slight recoil. It was nearly as loud as my x7, and the "pop" of firing had a slightly different report. With the lapco 10" assault barrel that was on it, it had a very satisfying bang when firing still. Accuracy: At targets around 150' away, it was a much more noticeably better grouping that when I'd fire with my x7 with my x7 the day before. The grouping at that range was reduced noticeably, I would definitely sayt that my grouping at full auto were alot more consistant than with my X7 that was running with upp'd internals as well as a 2nd regulator on it. Not by a HUGE margin,... but it was noticeable and I really liked it. Because I'm me, I could NOT go out onto the field with just a stock phenom. I had to go out with my Thumbhole sniper stock, extended foregrip and eotech 551 red dot, and it really looked awesome as well. I snapped on almost ever mod that I had taken there, and all went on great, minus 2 foregrips. Every single stock that I have went on it, even the dragunov which was cool. Cons: The only cons I can think of with it in complete and utter honesty are the casting of the smaller magwell onto the receiver halves. The position of the "plate" on the side of the magwell does not allow the ump45 foregrip to go onto the x7 without some modding because it gets in the way. But seriously,.. all you need to do is cut off a tiny little 1/8" portion at the bottom of the foregrip on the corner and it will go on without a problem. Anyone with half a braincell could fix it. It's barely worth mentioning. It could possibly be annoying later if they introduce 5.56mm looking mags, that have larger magwells that envelop the smaller one, but still, once again it will be an easy fix. Using the phenom, I got better performance, I got better air consistancy, I got the ability to pretty much use every single mod that i've made (wooot at having 40+ parts available for a marker that hadn't even come out yet lol) and I was given the ability to lay paint down range more accurately, all without feeling as if I was "cheating" on my x7  I loved it, and will definitely be buying one when funds permit. I would recommend the phenom more than I'd recommend going to see a wrestling match between megan fox and carmen electra. Here's the setups that I went out onto the field with, though they look a little off with the straight 9mm mag, they are still sexy.  10" lapco assault barrel, Scen. Arms 552 foregrip and folding stock.  10" lapco assault barrel, Scen. Arms thumbhole sniper stock, scar-length extended foregrip |
Posted By: Nate_X7phenom
Date Posted: 28 November 2009 at 3:26pm
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You seem to know wat your talking bout with the X7 very well. I posted this question in the "upgrade" topic forum but nobody has posted a reply. I have just bought my X7 Phenom, along with the G36 kit...foregrip, sight rail, stock, all that good stuff. But i am now wanting to buy a barrel for the gun. I find myself caught between three barrels; the Very Popular Tippmann Flatline Barrel, the New Tippman Straightline Barrel, and the Apex Barrel. So if you could steer mein the right direction of which barrel to purchase for my gun, i would greatly appreciate it! For my marker, i am looking for Distance AND Accuracy....so whichever barrel you think would be best, please tell me. Also, if there is a diff barrel besides the ones i have listed that you thihnk would better suite me, pleas say so! I am open to any and all comments. Thank you very much! ------------- Nathan Lambert |
Posted By: chun12
Date Posted: 28 November 2009 at 3:29pm
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Ive been looking for a similar thumbhole stock, can you link the site? How much did it cost, any extra modification to make it fit? Thanks.
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Posted By: TinMan
Date Posted: 28 November 2009 at 4:00pm
The Straightline or Hammerhead worked great on the prototype Phenom's we tested.
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Posted By: Nate_X7phenom
Date Posted: 28 November 2009 at 4:34pm
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Okay, what is the difference between the two? Because didn't Tippmann work w/Hammerhead for the Straightline Barrel? ------------- Nathan Lambert |
Posted By: Nate_X7phenom
Date Posted: 28 November 2009 at 4:35pm
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Okay, so what is the difference between the two? Because didn't Tippmann work with Hammerhead to design the Straightline Barrel? ------------- Nathan Lambert |
Posted By: TinMan
Date Posted: 28 November 2009 at 4:58pm
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They are the same, except HH can be bought in 14 inch.
The Apex was never a favorite of mine. It had better range, but was useless at that range.
I haven't used the Flatline on anything except 98's and my A-5, and preferred that over the Apex.
The hammerhead is my favorite barrel.
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Posted By: Nate_X7phenom
Date Posted: 28 November 2009 at 6:22pm
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So, what size do u reccomend? ------------- Nathan Lambert |
Posted By: TinMan
Date Posted: 28 November 2009 at 9:02pm
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The G36 kit looks great with the 14". Personally I don't use barrels over 14".
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Posted By: Nate_X7phenom
Date Posted: 28 November 2009 at 11:35pm
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With the 14", will i have the ability to shoot as far as with a 16"? ------------- Nathan Lambert |
Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 29 November 2009 at 11:23am
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Barrel length is not a factor in range for normal straight barrels once the length gets beyond 8 to 10 inches. I recommend reading through the stickies posted in the various forums; they contain a lot of useful general paintball knowledge.
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Posted By: buhju1
Date Posted: 01 December 2009 at 3:59am
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You can get the HH if you want but it's horribly overpriced. Tippmann's are awesome, but not everything they make is gold. The Hammerhead line of barrels doesn't shoot as far as a flatty or apex. They are also no more accurate than any decent aftermarket barrel. Rifling a paintball is a myth. Rifling is designed for a streamlined object like a bullet. Think of baseball when you think of what a HH does to a paintball. A ball that is spinning like a sideways top is no more accurate than one which is not spinning. Bullets are like drills. Paintballs are like baseballs. A rifling effect on paintballs works when you have paintballs like the Tiberius First Strike rounds. If you haven't seen them, take a look. Because of their shape, they are magazine feed only. You can get it if you want. You might like it, but I urge you to look into a different barrel. |
Posted By: Nate_X7phenom
Date Posted: 01 December 2009 at 5:16pm
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Okay, like i said, i am accepting any and all comments/suggestions. U seem to feel very strongly about what u are telling me! So, what barrel would u recomend? Keep in mind, i am looking for pinpoint accuracy and Distance. I was told a 14" Freak Barrel would do very well. But what barrel you suggest? and also, what do u think abuot the Tippmann Straightline Barrel? ------------- Nathan Lambert |
Posted By: TinMan
Date Posted: 01 December 2009 at 6:04pm
| Maybe a different topic would be good for this, it is the Phenom review thread. |
Posted By: Nate_X7phenom
Date Posted: 01 December 2009 at 7:42pm
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I kno, im sorry bro. I tried posting it under upgrades as "Best Barrel for X7'' but nobody posted any comment to me. i'm sorry ------------- Nathan Lambert |
Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 02 December 2009 at 12:55am
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No one answering your thread is not a good reason to hijack someone else's. Perhaps people were waiting to see what you would find by reviewing stickies and using the search function. -------------
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Posted By: buhju1
Date Posted: 02 December 2009 at 3:48pm
The Tippmann Straightline is a HH barrel. The freak is a great barrel but a little pricey. The two-piece barrels are very nice. They do not give you more distance than a stock barrel, but they will give you the ability to change the boring of the front and back of your barrel depending on what kind of paintballs you have and the weather. This is probably the best barrel for speedball, but it is also effective in the woods. There are only two barrels that will give you extra distance. The apex and the flatline. The flatline is nicer but the apex does more things. I have a flatline on my A5, and an apex on my Azodin Blitz. It's a tossup as to whether the Apex or the Flatline is better in the woods because they are essentially the same barrel in terms of distance and accuracy. The problem with the flatline and apex is that because they put backspin on the balls, they actually slow them down and I have had many players who told me they could easily dodge my balls. I have even done it myself. I have a Custom Products .693 backup barrel for both markers. You can pick the barrel boring you want and it's only $30. Gun accuracy isn't measured by how much you spend on a barrel. First, accuracy depends on your paintball quality-you need non dimpled paint that won't break in your gun. Also, you need to be aware that paintballs will swell in heat and shrink a bit in colder weather. Second, your gun and barrel cleanliness-clean your gun and oil it without the barrel on. Then shoot it a couple times to work the oil through and get rid of excess. By having your barrel off, it keeps your barrel clean and your gun oiled. Even a small drop of oil in your barrel can put unwanted spin on the balls. Third, shoot HPA. CO2 is put in your tank as a liquid. As you shoot it the liquid coats the inside of your barrel causing some inconsistency in shots. Also, if you were to point your gun down and then dry fire, you would notice small chunks of frost or ice coming out of the barrel. If you shoot brittle paintballs, these small chunks of ice, coupled with the force of the bolt hitting the paintball can greatly increase your chances of a ball breaking in your gun. When an HPA tank is filled, it is warm and it is all gas. CO2 is also not a good choice for an automatic gun. I have shot CO2 on my Azodin Blitz while shooting fully-auto and sometimes the gun gets so cold it is white with frost and you can't even touch it. |
Posted By: Nate_X7phenom
Date Posted: 15 December 2009 at 7:22pm
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I notice that the X7 Phenom works at a lower psi of 300psi's opposed to the normal X7 working at 800psi's. I am wondering, does this mean the Phenom will shoot less powerful? I am just wondering, please let me kno as soon as possible, thank you ------------- Nathan Lambert |
Posted By: psiworx
Date Posted: 15 December 2009 at 8:30pm
No Nathan is is not less powerful. The Phenom can achieve 300 feet per second velocity (the maximum velocity allowed at any paintball field) with a lower pressure than say.....an A-5 or X-7 that operates at 850 psi. Most paintball guns were originally designed to operate with unregulated CO2. The pressure can very wildly but on average at room temperature it is around 950 psi. Because CO2 pressure varies so much, players started experimenting with High Pressure Air (HPA) as a propellant. You have to regulate HPA so the natural pressure to regulate it to was 850 psi to mimic CO2. With the invention of electronic paintball guns players started experimenting with lower and lower operating pressures. The guns use secondary regulators to lower the pressure and up to a point, this makes them more efficient. This is why a Phenom operates at 300 psi. ------------- 
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Posted By: buhju1
Date Posted: 17 December 2009 at 3:30am
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850!?!?! Eight hundred fifty!?!?!?! I couldn't find anywhere that ever said the operating pressure. I thought 300 for the Phenom was a little high. I'm used to 200 max. Vibe: 180 PMR: 150 G3: 180 Mini: 150
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Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 17 December 2009 at 8:42am
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Posted By: eagle 6
Date Posted: 16 January 2010 at 1:21pm
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if you want to see some different set ups for this marker check out these pictures from Spokane Paintball Club.
http://blackeagles.club.officelive.com/Pictures.aspx - http://blackeagles.club.officelive.com/Pictures.aspx
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Posted By: Korben Deck
Date Posted: 26 January 2010 at 3:27am
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Here is a question: Where was it made? There was a time when we could depend on Tippmann to make it in the USA but that sadly seems to be a thing of the past. Part of my decision when buying a marker also takes into account where the product was made. My buddy bought two Bravo Ones (which are made in China), had to return the first and had to take apart the 2nd one to get it working. Where as our 98's never gave us any problem. So where was this made? |
Posted By: God
Date Posted: 26 January 2010 at 10:42am
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Made in the USA. Only the US Army Line of Markers are made in China.
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 26 January 2010 at 6:40pm
For some reason this made me snicker. -------------
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Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 29 January 2010 at 12:41pm
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Anyone has efficiency data on the Phenom yet? Obviously with the lower operating pressure, it should be considerably more efficient than the standard X7. I know there are aftermarket kits that allow for small HPA/CO2 tanks to be installed in specially made stocks, but before with the very limited shot capacity, IMO made them unappealing. If the Phenom is now getting 3 times the efficiency, they may be worth taking a second look at. For me anyways. Anybody done any actual bench testing for shots per ounce/CI? ------------- "When I grow up I want to marry a rich man and live in a condor next to the beach" -- My 7yr old daughter. |
Posted By: Nate_X7phenom
Date Posted: 29 January 2010 at 2:01pm
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I have a Brand New X7 Phenom. I was very curious to how "awesome" it would be. So, I went and got 2 of my 20oz. CO2 tanks filled. Well, the gun is just, simply put, "amazing!" The first hopper of balls i shot, i tried all the firing modes (full auto, 3shot burst, turbo, and electronic single shot). The next hopper of balls, i put it on full auto and juss held the trigger down! IT DID NOT BUST ONE BALL! AND AT FULL AUTO, AT ABOUT 30, 40yards IT WAS EXTREMELY ACCURATE (with stock barrel). And, on top of that, the paint i was shootin was Empire Bullets, BUT, they were a lil over 2yrs old, they juss been laying around and i thought i would get rid of them. So old, dimple paint, and the gun did not bust ONE ball and shot like a dream. Shot better than most electronic guns i have seen with $$$$$ big money hoppers on them. And as far as how many shots u can get. I had a box of 2000 paintballs. And those boxes have 4bags of 500paintblls in them. I shot One WHOLE bag of those, and about 1 morehopper full of another bag ON ONE 20oz. CO2 Tank. Thats very impressive in my opinion. And i also had my gun shootin a steady 300psi wth CO2.....it didnt jump and down, it stayed steady. ------------- Nathan Lambert |
Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 29 January 2010 at 2:06pm
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If you are getting only 600 shots on a 20 oz CO2 tank, at 300psi, that isn't very good actually.... Standard X7's and other Tippmann operate at 650+psi and get about the same shots per tank that you are describing. ------------- "When I grow up I want to marry a rich man and live in a condor next to the beach" -- My 7yr old daughter. |
Posted By: TinMan
Date Posted: 29 January 2010 at 2:20pm
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Brian, I did a 68/3000 shot per tank test in a local pb store, using paint they supplied.
Shot over a chrono using real paint, and in full auto shooting non stop.
The marker shot 850 shots before a FPS change, and stopped shooting all together by 881 shots. I was surprised that it went from completely functional, to completely dead
in 30 odd shots.
I posted that on another forum and have had a few requests to do it again
with non stop video. I may do it this spring.
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Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 29 January 2010 at 2:36pm
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So it was about 32% more efficient than the standard benchmark of 10shots/ci on a 3k tank.. Seems odd considering that it should get more shots per oz/ci of propellant and also be able to shoot farther into the tank.... I guess it isn't a directly equivalent ratio. ------------- "When I grow up I want to marry a rich man and live in a condor next to the beach" -- My 7yr old daughter. |
Posted By: TinMan
Date Posted: 29 January 2010 at 3:05pm
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I'm not sure. I've never been concerned with SPT before.
My 98 LP tourny marker will shoot 750 on a 68/3000 at 310 PSI, I was very
impressed that the Phenom did better with no upgrades at all.
I wonder how many extra shots you gain simply from the removal of
the need for blowback?
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Posted By: Access
Date Posted: 29 January 2010 at 3:46pm
| For efficiency I can go on the field with 4 smaller pods (100-120 balls) and my hopper full (200 balls) and a tank at 4000psi. I can go through all my balls, maybe 600-650 shots in all and still have roughly 1000psi left in the tank. I know with the A-5 I could typically only use 3 pods b'cos it would start to run out of air by the fourth. So with this gun I get at least one extra pod and maybe two in theory. It's not a huge difference but it's noticeable. |
Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 29 January 2010 at 5:32pm
If the first poster/tester was indeed firing non-stop on a 20 oz. bottle of CO2 inadequate expansion could explain the shots/tank result. -------------
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Posted By: Dmon68
Date Posted: 02 February 2010 at 3:59am
| I posted a while back asking about the durability of the X-7 Phenom when it came to weather, specifically water/rain. In short, do the experienced pb players here feel comfortable using their phenoms in rain? Light rain and heavy rain (if it makes a difference)? |
Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 04 February 2010 at 11:13am
------------- "When I grow up I want to marry a rich man and live in a condor next to the beach" -- My 7yr old daughter. |
Posted By: morkh
Date Posted: 06 February 2010 at 2:30am
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maybe it comes to the tank regulator being used. could there be a difference if hp or lp is used? |
Posted By: Emoface
Date Posted: 10 February 2010 at 12:56am
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ever since i first found out about the X7 phenom i have wanted one and by the looks of it, it is totally worth the $400 so i am saveing up i shuld have one before summer |
Posted By: Access
Date Posted: 03 March 2010 at 2:50pm
I was testing this the other day and I found it varied greatly depending on whether I had a good paint/barrel match. Without a match the gun was no better than an ordinary blowback but with a freak barrel it was significantly better. |
Posted By: Nate_X7phenom
Date Posted: 03 March 2010 at 5:57pm
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I beg to differ on the paint/barrel match. When i first got my X7 i could not wait to shoot it. the only paint i had at the time was Empire Bullets (Very good paint), however this particular box of paint was nearing or past 2yrs old.......stock barrel, 40yards, full auto! Shot every ball in a grouping of about 2basketballs, did not bust or miss a single ball. ------------- Nathan Lambert |
Posted By: Access
Date Posted: 04 March 2010 at 2:39pm
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Nate I meant in terms of gas efficiency. Our cheapest local rec paint is spectrum or something like that which is .682. Shooting this out of the stock barrel the velocity was somewhat inconsistent and I got no better gas efficiency than the A-5 (even with the same barrel mismatch). Roughly 1000psi (of a 42 cu. in tank) per pod 100-120 balls. When I switched to the freak barrel and used the .682 insert, it went way up. I was getting almost a whole hopper, 180-200 balls per 1000psi.
So my conclusion was that if the paint/barrel bore does not match well, this gun offers no better gas efficiency than the blowback A-5 (with a similar mismatch). Once you get a good paint/barrel match it improves significantly though. |
Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 15 April 2010 at 11:20am
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So what are the chances of Tippmann coming out with something with the Phenom internals, but in a different, less tactical body? Granted, I like misim markers and all, but seems like it would open up additional markets for Tippmann. ------------- "When I grow up I want to marry a rich man and live in a condor next to the beach" -- My 7yr old daughter. |
Posted By: hellcat420
Date Posted: 02 August 2010 at 11:38am
| just ordered my phenom today, i figured its time to finally retire my a-5 after all these years haha. was wondering if you had to do anything when switching from co2 to compressed air or can you switch back and forth on the go? also i talked to someone from tippmann today and he said they are workin on 556 sized mags for the phenom and they should be out in a couple months. i remember someone askin about it i hope it was in this thread, if not sorry. |
Posted By: FlyByNight
Date Posted: 02 August 2010 at 11:41am
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You're going to love the Phenom, it's a great marker. The stock barrel is actually pretty good as well. |
Posted By: johny.7389
Date Posted: 21 September 2011 at 4:27am
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While fun and all, it wasn't until that weekend that I was able to
put it through it's paces against actual opponents. Playing with a Mix
of old and new paint the new Cyclone and the Flex Valve worked
flawlessly for me. I did not had one Break on the "7" prototype I had.
The Stock held up as expected with no wobble at the mounting point nor
any problems when folded.
The firing action was very very smooth. I got to fire a bob long m-tac
I think it's called at a local paintball store there, and I didn't like
it because it had 0 our of 10 recoil. I felt like I was firing a heavy
squirt gun with that thing. The phenom, though operating at such a low
pressure gave me a very slight kick, nowhere NEAR my x7's kick, but
enough to where I was still satisfied to feel a slight slight recoil.
It was nearly as loud as my x7, and the "pop" of firing had a slightly
different report. With the lapco 10" assault barrel that was on it, it
had a very satisfying bang when firing still.
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