Told Ya, Al Gore's Motive
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Posted By: oldsoldier
Subject: Told Ya, Al Gore's Motive
Date Posted: 03 November 2009 at 12:08pm
Mr. Global Warming, end of the world predictor, unless you buy my 'carbon credits' is becoming rich using the 'fear factor'.
A perfect scam, create a problem, create a solution to the problem, create a fear of the problem, then sit back and get rich. Mr. Gore tells us how to live, what to do, and how to prevent 'global warming' yet he still lives the life of excess, expecting everyone else to live under his'save the planet' mandates.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/energy/6491195/Al-Gore-could-become-worlds-first-carbon-billionaire.html - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/energy/6491195/Al-Gore-could-become-worlds-first-carbon-billionaire.html
Fun fact, scientists state that the eating of 'meat' contributes most of the methane in the atmosphere from beef production, the feeder farms are a global warming hazard, yet Al Gore has yet to become a vegitarian, but trumpets the evils of the meat industry contributing to 'greenhouse' gases.
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 03 November 2009 at 12:15pm
Yes, because Al Gore has questionable personal habits, we should forget about trying to improve the environment. And the scientific findings, separate from Gore's doings, that show we are doing things that are both directly and indirectly speeding up the decay of our planet.
That's logical.
Let's follow that logic and say that because some third-party companies have been found guilty of war profiteering in Iraq, everybody should pack up and leave, leaving the place abandoned of U.S. military support right now.
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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 03 November 2009 at 12:17pm
Yes, save the planet, but the advocates should also be the initial role models, not do as I say not as I do hypocrites.
BTW what happened to summer? Record cold, and earliest heaviest snow yet in CO,and NE. And the global warming advocates ignoring the sun cycle explination by the not approved by our agenda scientific community.
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 03 November 2009 at 12:20pm
oldsoldier wrote:
Yes, save the planet, but the advocates should also be the initial role models, not do as I say not as I do hypocrites. |
Oh I agree, 100 percent.
However, I don't think that just because Al Gore is an agitating blow-hard that the movement to help make the planet a better place - or even just leave it as we left it, a conservative ideal - should be abandoned.
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 03 November 2009 at 12:22pm
oldsoldier wrote:
BTW what happened to summer? |
Oh for the love of...
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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 03 November 2009 at 12:25pm
Question- The research on London temps in the coal/wood heating era of the late 1800's as well as the eastern bloc industrial gas emmision data of the 60's-80's is totally ignored by the current advocates. In the 70's the next Ice Age was a real threat?, now the same individuals running with global warming, and the past year of record low temps.
Rational thought is man has a minimal impact on the solar cycle, and the emmision of 'greenhouse' gasses are actually less than late 1800's thru the 60's, yet only current data is used to justify the exsistance of 'global warming'.
Had to throw in the summer comment as the required "oh my god" comment.
Gotta love the media, weather readers (TV weather types) used this throughout the fall here in NY.
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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 03 November 2009 at 12:35pm
What actually is the life form capacity of the planet? As populations grow in human, as well as domesticated animals, what is the threashold?
I seriously doubt man will stop the expansion of urban enviornments and revert to a 'natural' living enviornment. People demand space and modern enviornments, at the cost of the CO2/Oxygen balance of plant life. Lookj at the 'cloud' as you come down the mountian into LA, yet LA keeps expanding by demand.
I am just waiting for the population control arguement to begin, the planet is too overcrowded, so someone will develope a poulation control model based on thier culture. Eugenic Wars, War for resources and space again, and the third world entering the second/first world and the population density vs enviornment battles begin.
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 03 November 2009 at 12:43pm
Good timing, I have an essay to write about this... Anyone got any good (reliable) links for global warming for me? I'll do the research, I just need help on finding it in the first place.
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 03 November 2009 at 12:44pm
oldsoldier wrote:
The research on London temps in the coal/wood heating era of the late 1800's as well as the eastern bloc industrial gas emmision data of the 60's-80's is totally ignored by the current advocates. In the 70's the next Ice Age was a real threat?, now the same individuals running with global warming, and the past year of record low temps.
Rational thought is man has a minimal impact on the solar cycle, and the emmision of 'greenhouse' gasses are actually less than late 1800's thru the 60's, yet only current data is used to justify the exsistance of 'global warming'. |
Literally every single one of these points has been addressed by Peter Parker in every single global climate change thread since about 2003. The record keeps spinning around and around.
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 03 November 2009 at 12:46pm
oldsoldier wrote:
I am just waiting for the population control arguement to begin, the planet is too overcrowded, so someone will develope a poulation control model based on thier culture. |
Well if I've learned anything from watching James Bond movies - ala Moonraker - as long as the people making those arguments don't have a space shuttle we should all be fine.
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 03 November 2009 at 12:47pm
oldsoldier wrote:
Yes, save the planet, but the advocates should also be the initial role models, not do as I say not as I do hypocrite
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So? they SHOULD be, but that still doesn't excuse changing your opinion or behaviour.
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Posted By: Peter Parker
Date Posted: 03 November 2009 at 12:51pm
oldsoldier wrote:
Mr. Global Warming, end of the world predictor, unless you buy my 'carbon credits' is becoming rich using the 'fear factor'. A perfect scam, create a problem, create a solution to the problem, create a fear of the problem, then sit back and get rich. Mr. Gore tells us how to live, what to do, and how to prevent 'global warming' yet he still lives the life of excess, expecting everyone else to live under his'save the planet' mandates.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/energy/6491195/Al-Gore-could-become-worlds-first-carbon-billionaire.html - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/energy/6491195/Al-Gore-could-become-worlds-first-carbon-billionaire.html
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I see. It was a clever plan... Here is how it went, as Gore was sitting around smoking pot in the eary 1970s:
Gore: Hmm... This professor guy thinks there is global warming happening due to CO2 and other emissions. Nobody else gives a darn - they are too busy with acid rain and stuff. That's ok - I have a plan. I will:
- get elected to Congress
- spend a couple of decades toiling in Congress while being underpaid
- work relentlessly during those decades talking about global warming, even though nobody cares
- cripple my political career by talking up global warming in the 80s when nobody cares
- glom on to an Arkansas hillbilly and get elected to the crappiest job in government
- continue talking about global warming for another 8 years, even though people still don't care
- convince a whole bunch of scientists that this global warming stuff is real, even though they are scientists and I am not
- convince those scientists to write massive reports and conduct massive research to support my made-up global warming theory that I have been talking about for decades
- make a powerpoint presentation and go on the road with my schtick, talking about global warming. some people will finally care
- have a movie made about my powerpoint presentation, and win an Oscar. now some more people will care
- win the Nobel Peace Prize. and then more people will actually care
- late in the game, after decades of talking this up, I will get around to making some investments in companies that may benefit from efforts to combat global warming
- I will make these investments by joining the most 1337 VC fund in the world, a fund that always makes gobs of money no matter what industry they invest in
PHASE 3: PROFIT!
(Of course, I could have just invested in that internet thing I will invent in the 80s, and then I could be a billionaire faster, but that's not as much fun.)
That's one heck of a plan. Makes Bush's plan to bomb the WTC look like child's play.
Fun fact, scientists state that the eating of 'meat' contributes most of the methane in the atmosphere from beef production, the feeder farms are a global warming hazard, yet Al Gore has yet to become a vegitarian, but trumpets the evils of the meat industry contributing to 'greenhouse' gases. |
Well, it is a little more complicated than that. Clearly the meat industry is a big greenhouse player, but so is agriculture. There are numerous factors, including transportation, storage, processing, feedsource, space clearing, and so forth.
To simply say that eating meat is worse for the environment than eating veggies is not accurate. It may be that part of the solution is cutting back on meat, but that science isn't there yet to declare this "the" solution. The logistics of the food industry are complicated.
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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 03 November 2009 at 12:57pm
You forgot "???"
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Posted By: Peter Parker
Date Posted: 03 November 2009 at 12:58pm
agentwhale007 wrote:
oldsoldier wrote:
The research on London temps in the coal/wood heating era of the late 1800's as well as the eastern bloc industrial gas emmision data of the 60's-80's is totally ignored by the current advocates. In the 70's the next Ice Age was a real threat?, now the same individuals running with global warming, and the past year of record low temps. Rational thought is man has a minimal impact on the solar cycle, and the emmision of 'greenhouse' gasses are actually less than late 1800's thru the 60's, yet only current data is used to justify the exsistance of 'global warming'. |
Literally every single one of these points has been addressed by Peter Parker in every single global climate change thread since about 2003. The record keeps spinning around and around.
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Yes, that. Which should be a hint that you are being fed lies. When questions/challenges are legitimately raised and legitimately answered, yet continue to be raised as if they were never addressed, chances are pretty good that your source is disingenuous.
Scientists (including the global warming types) incorporate new data (specifically contrary data) and modify their conclusions. Rabble-rousers do not. Rabble-rousers ignore contrary data and proceed as if it never happened.
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Posted By: Tolgak
Date Posted: 03 November 2009 at 2:09pm
oldsoldier wrote:
BTW what happened to summer? Record cold, and earliest heaviest snow yet in CO,and NE. |
And look at Florida. November has started and I've yet the need to wear a sweater, even at night. Ten years ago, further south at home, we'd be seeing our breath starting late September.
All of the above is irrelevant without the "why." It is not enough to simply state, "it was a cold summer." There are reasons it was so, and they are directly tied to other trends that we have been seeing.
I don't have time to go into the specifics right now, but I can start by telling you that land sees a more drastic temperature difference every day than the oceans, and that what happens in CO and NE is not representative of the world or the state of the ocean (whose history provides a more accurate depiction of trends.)
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 03 November 2009 at 2:18pm
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I wonder if OS got this wound up about a cold or hot season as a youth
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Posted By: mbro
Date Posted: 03 November 2009 at 2:27pm
oldsoldier wrote:
What actually is the life form capacity of the planet? As populations grow in human, as well as domesticated animals, what is the threashold?
I seriously doubt man will stop the expansion of urban enviornments and revert to a 'natural' living enviornment. People demand space and modern enviornments, at the cost of the CO2/Oxygen balance of plant life. Lookj at the 'cloud' as you come down the mountian into LA, yet LA keeps expanding by demand.
I am just waiting for the population control arguement to begin, the planet is too overcrowded, so someone will develope a poulation control model based on thier culture. Eugenic Wars, War for resources and space again, and the third world entering the second/first world and the population density vs enviornment battles begin. | Actually according to an article in this weeks economist the population problem is pretty much solving itself due to falling birth rates.
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 03 November 2009 at 2:38pm
mbro wrote:
oldsoldier wrote:
What actually is the life form capacity of the planet? As populations grow in human, as well as domesticated animals, what is the threashold?
I seriously doubt man will stop the expansion of urban enviornments and revert to a 'natural' living enviornment. People demand space and modern enviornments, at the cost of the CO2/Oxygen balance of plant life. Lookj at the 'cloud' as you come down the mountian into LA, yet LA keeps expanding by demand.
I am just waiting for the population control arguement to begin, the planet is too overcrowded, so someone will develope a poulation control model based on thier culture. Eugenic Wars, War for resources and space again, and the third world entering the second/first world and the population density vs enviornment battles begin. | Actually according to an article in this weeks economist the population problem is pretty much solving itself due to falling birth rates. |
Nature doing what nature does best? Weird.
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Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 03 November 2009 at 3:34pm
You know, OS, it's awfully anti-capitalist of you to expect Al Gore not to profit off of his work.
mbro wrote:
Actually according to an article in this weeks economist the population problem is pretty much solving itself due to falling birth rates. |
That's good. It would SUCK to see population decline because of famine.
At least, it would suck if it happened more so. It's terrible enough in Africa as it is.
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Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Date Posted: 03 November 2009 at 3:37pm
__sneaky__ wrote:
Good timing, I have an essay to write about this... Anyone got any good (reliable) links for global warming for me? I'll do the research, I just need help on finding it in the first place. |
Reliable? I think the telegraph journal is pretty reliable. So if it doesn't follow your agenda than its not reliable?
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Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 03 November 2009 at 3:48pm
Rofl_Mao wrote:
Reliable? I think the telegraph journal is pretty reliable. So if it doesn't follow your agenda than its not reliable? |
You would be quick to judge. Why you gotta act all belligerent 'n shtuff?
But no, I'm willing to be he means "reliable" as it means to any scientific publication: peer edited and reviewed, scholarly work done by a professional in that field (unlike that silly website with 31,000 scientists who don't believe climate change, only a fraction of a percentage of whom are actually climatologists), in a scholarly journal.
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Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Date Posted: 03 November 2009 at 3:49pm
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Who posts reliable links anymore?
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Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 03 November 2009 at 3:56pm
oldsoldier wrote:
BTW what happened to summer? Record cold, and earliest heaviest snow yet in CO,and NE. |
It is 58° in Boston right now. It snowed once with no accumulation about two weeks ago.
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Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 03 November 2009 at 4:05pm
Rofl_Mao wrote:
Who posts reliable links anymore?
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If you mean in response to someone and not in the OP, nobody I really
consider respectable. The smart people on the forum are smart enough
(or are just good at semantics and picking apart what people say,
freaking lawyers :P) that they can discuss things without
copy/pasta-ing links and bolding what they feel is relevant.
Peter and Whale, due to their respective (soon to be) professions, do not need to rely on the internets for discourse. Tallen is the same way (though cooking doesn't come up much for some reason) in that he's practically wikipedia.ru with everything he knows about Russia.
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 03 November 2009 at 4:45pm
Gatyr wrote:
Rofl_Mao wrote:
Reliable? I think the telegraph journal is pretty reliable. So if it doesn't follow your agenda than its not reliable? |
You would be quick to judge. Why you gotta act all belligerent 'n shtuff?
But no, I'm willing to be he means "reliable" as it means to any scientific publication: peer edited and reviewed, scholarly work done by a professional in that field (unlike that silly website with 31,000 scientists who don't believe climate change, only a fraction of a percentage of whom are actually climatologists), in a scholarly journal.
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Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 03 November 2009 at 4:49pm
Frozen Balls wrote:
oldsoldier wrote:
BTW what happened to summer? Record cold, and earliest heaviest snow yet in CO,and NE. |
It is 58° in Boston right now. It snowed once with no accumulation about two weeks ago.
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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 03 November 2009 at 4:49pm
Most really reliable links worth posting are off of scholarly journals anyway, and can't be accessed by normal hyperlink, but instead are on databases you need to log in to.
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Posted By: Peter Parker
Date Posted: 03 November 2009 at 5:03pm
Gatyr wrote:
Rofl_Mao wrote:
Reliable? I think the telegraph journal is pretty reliable. So if it doesn't follow your agenda than its not reliable? |
You would be quick to judge. Why you gotta act all belligerent 'n shtuff?
But no, I'm willing to be he means "reliable" as it means to any scientific publication: peer edited and reviewed, scholarly work done by a professional in that field (unlike that silly website with 31,000 scientists who don't believe climate change, only a fraction of a percentage of whom are actually climatologists), in a scholarly journal.
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Unfortunately, actual scientific journals are impossible to read unless you are educated in the field. What he wants is a layman's explanation/summary of the actual science.
Conveniently there is a pretty good source: the various IPCC reports. Some politics has crept in, but they remain (as far as I know) the single most comprehensive evaluation of all relevant science on the subject. They aren't easy to read, but they are not impossible to read either. And they are a free download, which is convenient.
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 03 November 2009 at 5:15pm
Peter Parker wrote:
Gatyr wrote:
Rofl_Mao wrote:
Reliable? I think the telegraph journal is pretty reliable. So if it doesn't follow your agenda than its not reliable? |
You would be quick to judge. Why you gotta act all belligerent 'n shtuff?
But no, I'm willing to be he means "reliable" as it means to any scientific publication: peer edited and reviewed, scholarly work done by a professional in that field (unlike that silly website with 31,000 scientists who don't believe climate change, only a fraction of a percentage of whom are actually climatologists), in a scholarly journal.
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Unfortunately, actual scientific journals are impossible to read unless you are educated in the field. What he wants is a layman's explanation/summary of the actual science.
Conveniently there is a pretty good source: the various IPCC reports. Some politics has crept in, but they remain (as far as I know) the single most comprehensive evaluation of all relevant science on the subject. They aren't easy to read, but they are not impossible to read either. And they are a free download, which is convenient.
| Read the origin of species in a week. It's not a related topic, but my reading comprehension is pretty good.
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Posted By: Peter Parker
Date Posted: 03 November 2009 at 5:32pm
__sneaky__ wrote:
Read the origin of species in a week. It's not a related topic, but my reading comprehension is pretty good. |
That is impressive, but what makes journals hard to read isn't just the subject matter. OOS is a self-contained book - journal articles are usually descriptions of individual research projects with narrow conclusions. This is why science is taught with textbooks rather than articles.
Reading articles can be fun and educational, but it is really hard to get the big picture from articles alone.
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Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 03 November 2009 at 5:36pm
They are hard to read because they are BORING.
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 03 November 2009 at 5:39pm
Peter Parker wrote:
Conveniently there is a pretty good source: the various IPCC reports. Some politics has crept in, but they remain (as far as I know) the single most comprehensive evaluation of all relevant science on the subject. They aren't easy to read, but they are not impossible to read either. And they are a free download, which is convenient. |
I was thinking about looking into those but had some concerns.
Since you seem to have experience with them I will direct this question to you. (Peter Parker)
Do they have pictures? 
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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 03 November 2009 at 5:39pm
And we must remmember that Al Gore 'invented' the internet, he said so, and look how well his invention is working for the world.
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Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 03 November 2009 at 5:46pm
oldsoldier wrote:
And we must remmember that Al Gore 'invented' the internet, he said so, and look how well his invention is working for the world. |
Actually, the internet was invented by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Berners-Lee - Sir Timothy Berners Lee . :nododgynecessary:
Also, am I missing something, as it seems to be working pretty freakin' awesome for the world.
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Posted By: Peter Parker
Date Posted: 03 November 2009 at 6:39pm
Mack wrote:
Do they have pictures? 
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Some pictures, but lots of charts and graphs. Which are kind of like pictures with lines on them.
oldsoldier wrote:
And we must remmember that Al Gore 'invented' the internet, he said so, and look how well his invention is working for the world. |
Al Gore never said he invented the internet.
What he did say was that he was instrumental in getting the funding that led to the creation of the internet, and that a pretty accurate statement. Perhaps somebody else would have stepped up in his absence, but there is little doubt that Gore was a significant participant in the early days of the internet as we know it today.
And, as has been pointed out, I think we can all agree that the internet is pretty darn awesome.
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Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 04 November 2009 at 12:02am
ParielIsBack wrote:
oldsoldier wrote:
And we must remmember that Al Gore 'invented' the internet, he said so, and look how well his invention is working for the world. |
Actually, the internet was invented by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Berners-Lee - Sir Timothy Berners Lee . :nododgynecessary:
Also, am I missing something, as it seems to be working pretty freakin' awesome for the world.
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Actually, he and CERN were instrumental in developing the World Wide Web, not the Internet. Credit for that still go back to DARPA and ARPANET (and all the smaller contributing networks, such as ALOHANET).
I still cringe when I read "Angels and Demons".
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 04 November 2009 at 1:11am
ParielIsBack wrote:
Frozen Balls wrote:
oldsoldier wrote:
BTW what happened to summer? Record cold, and earliest heaviest snow yet in CO,and NE. |
It is 58° in Boston right now. It snowed once with no accumulation about two weeks ago.
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Posted By: The Guy
Date Posted: 04 November 2009 at 2:51am
I've been researching alternative energy sources for my house. Not so much as a "save the planet" thing, more as a "save my wallet" type thing.
It seems, with only a little bit of internet instruction, you can build your own solar panels for about $25-$30 each, using chipped cells. The chipped cells are only about 80%-90% as efficient, but that's mostly because of lost surface area.
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 04 November 2009 at 2:55am
The Guy wrote:
I've been researching alternative energy sources for my house. Not so much as a "save the planet" thing, more as a "save my wallet" type thing.It seems, with only a little bit of internet instruction, you can build your own solar panels for about $25-$30 each, using chipped cells. The chipped cells are only about 80%-90% as efficient, but that's mostly because of lost surface area.
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You do realize how little energy solar panels gather in the first place right? If they're even less efficient than a normal photovoltaic cell, what's the point?
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Posted By: Eville
Date Posted: 04 November 2009 at 4:56am
And you can also buy plans to convert your car to run on hydrogen for only about $20!
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Posted By: Peter Parker
Date Posted: 04 November 2009 at 4:56pm
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Solar panels can absolutely be cost-effective in the short run under a variety of circumstances. It depends mostly on what you are paying for electricity from the grid, with particular concern for time of use pricing if that is available.
Of course, in the long run solar panels are the cheapest electricy of all.
But a more cost-effective alternative in most cases is solar water heating. A big chunk of your gas/electric bill goes to heat water for showers and dishes, and a solar heater will defray that cost. Solar water heating is drastically cheaper than solar electric (for residences, anyway) on a dollars-per-savings basis.
BUT BUT, for most people, the most cost-effective first step is a visit to the hardware store, where you buy some caulk and a caulk gun. For $10 worth of improved insulation you will probably be able to shave a couple of bucks a month off your energy bill. And if you want to go hog wild, you can get some door sweeps and new door seals. Attic insulation is also a big deal.
Generating your own electricity is cool and sexy and can be cost-effective, but frankly, for most people they could save a lot more just by taking basic efficiency steps.
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 04 November 2009 at 5:39pm
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I'd agree with the efficiency tips. Heck I'd say replace old windows before you bother throwing cells on your roof.
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 04 November 2009 at 5:42pm
Renai on-demand hot water FTW.
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Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 04 November 2009 at 5:54pm
Dorm hot water for the win.
Can turn that stuff on all day and not pay a dime for it.
Actually, about to go take a blistering hot shower right now.
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 04 November 2009 at 6:00pm
ParielIsBack wrote:
Dorm hot water for the win.Can turn that stuff on all day and not pay a dime for it.Actually, about to go take a blistering hot shower right now.
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Except for the paying more to live in a dorm than you would if you lived on your own and paid bills :P
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Posted By: Uncle Rudder
Date Posted: 04 November 2009 at 7:22pm
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My compost pile puts out more "global warming" gases than my corvette.
...ok so I don't actually own a corvette.
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Posted By: mbro
Date Posted: 04 November 2009 at 8:04pm
choopie911 wrote:
I'd agree with the efficiency tips. Heck I'd say replace old windows before you bother throwing cells on your roof. | Actually new windows really aren't that cost effective. The amount of money you will pay for the windows will be much greater than the cost savings in energy bills for quite a few years time.
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Posted By: Uncle Rudder
Date Posted: 04 November 2009 at 11:48pm
mbro wrote:
choopie911 wrote:
I'd agree with the efficiency tips. Heck I'd say replace old windows before you bother throwing cells on your roof. | Actually new windows really aren't that cost effective. The amount of money you will pay for the windows will be much greater than the cost savings in energy bills for quite a few years time. |
Depends on how crappy your windows are...
The house I live in right now windows' are so bad I'm thinking about putting some insulation on them and then nail a big sheet of plywood over them.
Electeric bill for October was $215, last year, in a not-so-sucky apartment, the max the eletric bill was was $50
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Posted By: Peter Parker
Date Posted: 05 November 2009 at 1:15pm
Uncle Rudder wrote:
Depends on how crappy your windows are...
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This is a very important point. Everything is relative. The caulk gun might save one homeowner hundreds of dollars and save another homeowner hundreds of cents. It all depends on your starting point for any efficiency project, and depends on your electricity cost for any generation project.
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 05 November 2009 at 1:19pm
a caulk gun also costs about $3, its not too hard to offset the costs.
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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 05 November 2009 at 1:22pm
Didn't Al Gore go on all the News Show last night and tell the hosts that he donates his profits back into his saving the world cause?
Dont see to many other billionaires doing the same...
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 05 November 2009 at 1:33pm
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Yeah, I'm well aware that it's relative, as if you have new windows they dont need replacing. If you have old crappy glass, then yes yes you do.
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Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 05 November 2009 at 2:44pm
choopie911 wrote:
ParielIsBack wrote:
Dorm hot water for the win.Can turn that stuff on all day and not pay a dime for it.Actually, about to go take a blistering hot shower right now.
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Except for the paying more to live in a dorm than you would if you lived on your own and paid bills :P
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Not really.
I spent all of last semester looking at place to live off campus, and the dorms are significantly more cost effective than anywhere in Allston (which is basically the only affordable and close place to campus). Honestly, I shower more in the boathouse than I do in the dorms by a factor of two or three, so my free hot water could come from a variety of places I guess.
Now, if I wanted to live in Boston year round, or could reliably find summer renters, it would be a different story.
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Posted By: ntvinh986
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 3:16am
oldsoldier wrote:
Mr. Global Warming, end of the world predictor, unless you buy my 'carbon credits' is becoming rich using the 'fear factor'.
A perfect scam, create a problem, create a solution to the problem, create a fear of the problem, then sit back and get rich. Mr. Gore tells us how to live, what to do, and how to prevent 'global warming' yet he still lives the life of excess, expecting everyone else to live under his'save the planet' mandates.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/energy/6491195/Al-Gore-could-become-worlds-first-carbon-billionaire.html - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/energy/6491195/Al-Gore-could-become-worlds-first-carbon-billionaire.html
Fun fact, scientists state that the eating of 'meat' contributes most of the methane in the atmosphere from beef production, the feeder farms are a global warming hazard, yet Al Gore has yet to become a vegitarian, but trumpets the evils of the meat industry contributing to 'greenhouse' gases.
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Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 4:05am
ParielIsBack wrote:
Not really.
I spent all of last semester looking at place to live off campus, and the dorms are significantly more cost effective than anywhere in Allston (which is basically the only affordable and close place to campus). Honestly, I shower more in the boathouse than I do in the dorms by a factor of two or three, so my free hot water could come from a variety of places I guess.
Now, if I wanted to live in Boston year round, or could reliably find summer renters, it would be a different story.
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Hahahaha I definitely live like two miles from Pariel. I'll bet we've sat together on the B line.
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 4:05am
ParielIsBack wrote:
choopie911 wrote:
ParielIsBack wrote:
Dorm hot water for the win.Can turn that stuff on all day and not pay a dime for it.Actually, about to go take a blistering hot shower right now.
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Except for the paying more to live in a dorm than you would if you lived on your own and paid bills :P
Generally | Not really.I spent all of last semester looking at place to live off campus, and the dorms are significantly more cost effective than anywhere in Allston (which is basically the only affordable and close place to campus). Honestly, I shower more in the boathouse than I do in the dorms by a factor of two or three, so my free hot water could come from a variety of places I guess.Now, if I wanted to live in Boston year round, or could reliably find summer renters, it would be a different story. |
Are you factoring in your food and such as well? I guess it depends on what your dorm kitchen situation is
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Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 4:19am
Rent in Allston for a semi-respectable place will run you a minimum of $600/month + electricity and cable.
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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 6:39am
IN an older house now, 19th century insulation technology. Anderson windows, heavier curtians, door seals, and using the basement rising 'heat' as compared to the upper two floors being 'on' has reduced oil consumption, and temp averages between 68-70 degrees. For a radiator/hot water system pretty good for a house this old. Wood stove and at least two years worth of wood (daily burn) in garage means a warm and toasty winter.
Heating cost here for size is actually less than the forced air system in house in Nebraska.
Right now snowing, and sticking....and the average cold for season record has been broken many days over, coldest October on record (back to 1900 when records were kept) and November is also producing record cold days. Yep....Global warming. Better buy some 'carbon credits' and install the 'sawdust toilet'.
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Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 7:55am
Frozen Balls wrote:
Rent in Allston for a semi-respectable place will run you a minimum of $600/month + electricity and cable.
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Yep. We were looking at a big place that was $6,000 a month for eight of us. Three stories, 6 bedrooms, 3 baths. It's just not affordable unless we could guarantee summer renters, and most of Allston is in such bad condition it's not worth it to move out of the dorms, especially since it would be farther from everything (class, the boathouse, my girlfriend's dorm).
choopie911 wrote:
Are you factoring in your food and such as well? I guess it depends on what your dorm kitchen situation is |
Even cooking for myself wouldn't save me much money, perhaps a grand if I was really frugal, and I simply don't have the time to cook most of the week between crew and school. Right now I get unlimited meals and I don't have to do dishes or cook.
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Posted By: Eville
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 8:09am
oldsoldier wrote:
IN an older house now, 19th century insulation technology. Anderson windows, heavier curtians, door seals, and using the basement rising 'heat' as compared to the upper two floors being 'on' has reduced oil consumption, and temp averages between 68-70 degrees. For a radiator/hot water system pretty good for a house this old. Wood stove and at least two years worth of wood (daily burn) in garage means a warm and toasty winter.
Heating cost here for size is actually less than the forced air system in house in Nebraska.
Right now snowing, and sticking....and the average cold for season record has been broken many days over, coldest October on record (back to 1900 when records were kept) and November is also producing record cold days. Yep....Global warming. Better buy some 'carbon credits' and install the 'sawdust toilet'. |
Why do you persist with this illogical argument?
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Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 8:43am
Eville wrote:
Why do you persist with this illogical argument?
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Because he doesn't understand what global warming is. Which is partly the misnomer's fault.
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