Shooting at Fort Hood TX
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Topic: Shooting at Fort Hood TX
Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Subject: Shooting at Fort Hood TX
Date Posted: 05 November 2009 at 4:49pm
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There's a shooting at U.S. Army base Fort Hood in Texas today. At least 12 dead so far. 31 wounded. Hasan is not dead and is in stable condition. |
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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 05 November 2009 at 4:51pm
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Most I've heard so far is 9 dead.
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Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Date Posted: 05 November 2009 at 4:53pm
| Its an update from CNN that its 12 now. |
Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 05 November 2009 at 5:11pm
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Watching a live feed from a Major General down at Hood. We can expect that a few more of the injured will probably die.
Have we got any members down at Ft Hood? UPDATE: CNN reports all injured are U.S. military members. The shooting occurred at a medical facility where soldiers who are about to deploy or soldiers just returned from deployment are undergoing medical screenings. ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 05 November 2009 at 5:15pm
I don't think so. HTY is in Hawaii I think, and I'm pretty sure the only other members I have seen post about military service are either in the middle east or in the eastern part of the country. Regardless, that's terrible to hear. I don't have a TV, so keep me updated if possible. Any mention of a motive or cause? ------------- 
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brihard wrote:Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 05 November 2009 at 5:23pm
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No known motive or cause as of yet, nor suspect names released. Weapons used were two handguns. At least two injured in 'Very serious condition'. All injured are adults; those targeted were soldiers just about to deploy getting final deployment paperwork. ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 05 November 2009 at 5:24pm
http://www.cnn.com/video/flashLive/live.html?stream=stream1 - CNN Live hopefully the link works. -------------
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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 05 November 2009 at 5:31pm
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That's been my source of info thus far. ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 05 November 2009 at 5:34pm
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One gunman identifed as Major Malik Nadal Hassan (SP?). ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Date Posted: 05 November 2009 at 5:37pm
| Arabic name? |
Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 05 November 2009 at 5:45pm
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Major Malik Nadal Hassan, originally from Virginia, Age 39-40. Confirmed still two other suspects being held. Maj. Hassan is the dead shooter. ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 05 November 2009 at 5:55pm
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Sleeper Cell? Another issue for the media to scramble up, and get a panic response from authorities. Gun Control issues should be the lead on this one, even though it is Texas, and on a military base, the cry will be more gun control. Then will come the 'profiling' debate of an Muslim US Army Officer, the accused? shooter, how dare the tie be made between this act and muslim extremists. The potential for a media field day grow every minute this sprew of 'facts' continues, without proper checking/verifying. ------------- 
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Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Date Posted: 05 November 2009 at 5:57pm
| He used 2 pistols. |
Posted By: Snipa69
Date Posted: 05 November 2009 at 6:02pm
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My fiance's cousin is stationed at Ft Hood, we haven't heard anything yet though so hopefully no news is good news. ------------- http://imageshack.us - [IMG - http://img456.imageshack.us/img456/857/sig9ac6cs1mj.jpg - |
Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 05 November 2009 at 6:03pm
Thus far, mainstram media (I've been monitoring CNN, and to a lesser extent FOX and ABC) have been diligent about sticking to information officially released. Obviously Free Republic, Jewish International Defense Force, et. al. are playing up the possible Muslim convert angle. Let's not jump down any throats until it's called for. The media's doing a good job of fact checking thus far. ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Date Posted: 05 November 2009 at 6:06pm
Text him, they said that no-one is using phone calls due to overloading so the news said use txting. |
Posted By: Snipa69
Date Posted: 05 November 2009 at 6:29pm
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He's okay, we just got word. He's on lock down and they are looking for 1 more possibly involved. ------------- http://imageshack.us - [IMG - http://img456.imageshack.us/img456/857/sig9ac6cs1mj.jpg - |
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 05 November 2009 at 7:14pm
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According to news reports within an hour of the shooting it wasn't a terrorist act.
Impressive they were able to figure that out before the shooters name was even released...
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/6705518.html - http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/6705518.html
Cone did not speculate about a motive, but the Army released a statement saying it did not believe the shootings were an act of political terrorism.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/11/05/national/main5539067.shtml - http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/11/05/national/main5539067.shtml ------------- They tremble at my name... 
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Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 05 November 2009 at 7:55pm
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From what ive read, motive is because shooter was upset about being deployed ------------- 
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Posted By: Peter Parker
Date Posted: 05 November 2009 at 9:05pm
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How is it that I am the first to note that surely this would have been averted if only there had been somebody there with a CCW?! ------------- "E Pluribus Unum" does not mean "Every man for himself". Pop Quiz: What do all the Framers of the Constitution have in common? |
Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 05 November 2009 at 9:27pm
Your post was wrong, so I fixed it. ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 05 November 2009 at 9:34pm
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LOL PP. You win. ------------- Que pasa? 
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Posted By: RoboCop
Date Posted: 05 November 2009 at 9:37pm
| My brother travels to Fort Hood every now and then. Glad he wasn't there this time. |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 05 November 2009 at 9:40pm
Really, when is anything EVER a terrorist act since 9/11? Not to derail the thread, as this is pretty terrible. Feel bad for those guys, but the numbers are ridiculous considering the location... In my head I'd imagine after two shots, someone would have put him down... |
Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Date Posted: 05 November 2009 at 9:46pm
| Yeah... you try putting the guy down with a bullet in your head. |
Posted By: Eville
Date Posted: 05 November 2009 at 9:50pm
Generally people don't walk around with loaded weapons on post. ------------- 
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Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 05 November 2009 at 9:56pm
facepalm ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Date Posted: 05 November 2009 at 10:00pm
| If you move towards him hes going to shoot you, how is that a facepalm? Do you even think? |
Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 05 November 2009 at 10:02pm
Do you even think? What your original post was responding to had nothing to do with walking towards the guy. He said he doesn't kn ow how someone didn't put him down. Implying there were other people with guns.... ------------- Que pasa?
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Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 05 November 2009 at 10:07pm
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Have you ever entered a military base? There are MPs with guns there (given, these are very often not loaded, or at least not all loaded). There is also an armory on base. There are MPs with guns and access to ammunition in at least one building on base. Shooting this guy before the cops showed up was a definite possibility. *EDIT* I guess I should point out that this in in response to Mao, if that wasn't obvious. ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Date Posted: 05 November 2009 at 10:18pm
| Sorry by you saying "put him down" I thought you were referring to somebody tackling him. I'm sorry. |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 05 November 2009 at 10:48pm
I meant shoot the crud out of him. Also my knowledge of military bases is EXTREMELY limited obviously. |
Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 05 November 2009 at 10:50pm
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Mine too. I figured they were armed to the teeth ------------- Que pasa?
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 05 November 2009 at 10:56pm
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Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 05 November 2009 at 11:21pm
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I think facepalming a post post-facepalmed post is kind of silly.
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 05 November 2009 at 11:23pm
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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 05 November 2009 at 11:23pm
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Bastards still alive.
Apparent life-long Muslim that is very anti-war in Iraq/ Afghanistan. This won't turn out well... ------------- 
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Posted By: Peter Parker
Date Posted: 05 November 2009 at 11:35pm
So... somebody needs to hand in their rifle marksmanship ribbons?
So... there clearly was nobody there with paintball sniper training from SpecOps?
So... this is why the ammunition budget for Iraq is out of control?
So... somebody cut his head off with a sword, quick! There can be only one!
So... praying to Allah actually works?
So... his rap album drops in two weeks?
So... when does he get his purple heart?
So... ... ...
More will come to me in time. None will be any better.
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Posted By: slackerr26
Date Posted: 05 November 2009 at 11:37pm
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/waits for mack
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Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 12:11am
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Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 12:12am
I just can't facepalm hard enough without actually sending my palm through my face.
...elicited and lol out of me. Isn't this treason, btw? Can't this guy just be capped by an officer with no after-thought? I always got the idea that if you committed treason like this you were just offed and that was that. -------------
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 12:16am
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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 12:17am
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Word is he was taken down by a civilian police officer working on contract on the base. She was also shot by him during the exchange, and is the police officer who was initially reported killed. She has since been reported to in fact still be alive and undergoing treatment. The initial reports of multiple gunmen seem to have been confused by some sources reporting him dead and others reporting him to be in custody. This turned into multiple possible gunmen. By all appearances he was acting alone. ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 12:20am
I wondered this too ------------- Que pasa?
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Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 12:21am
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I have to admit, then, that what he did is impressive, albeit absolutely disgusting. Twelve dead and thirty-one wounded by himself on a military base. Somewhere in there is a sick meme waiting to be created by 4chan. -------------
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Posted By: slackerr26
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 12:29am
with only 2 handguns nonetheless. an assault rifle would have been my guess if i didnt know otherwise -------------
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Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 12:29am
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They already started "The shooter went to Virginia Tech. Or as I like to call it, "Murderer University"" Or a "All your base are belong to us" picture ------------- Que pasa?
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Posted By: Peter Parker
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 12:31am
Clearly it would have been far worse if he had an assault rifle. So, see? The Assault Weapons Ban saves lives. ------------- "E Pluribus Unum" does not mean "Every man for himself". Pop Quiz: What do all the Framers of the Constitution have in common? |
Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 12:32am
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PP, can I high five you for the gun law lulz within this thread? CCW and assault weapons ban....gg /highfive ------------- Que pasa?
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Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 12:37am
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Weird. ------------- 
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Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 12:45am
Do it. |
Posted By: StormyKnight
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 4:31am
Good thing those military bases don't have assault weapons... ------------- 
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Posted By: The Guy
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 6:08am
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My cousin is currently stationed there. I'm trying to find out more info, but hes been texting me for the last half hour. The whole place was under a communications blackout.
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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 6:26am
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The shooter was a loon, the Army already had issues with him, but I am betting 'profiling' and the 'equal opertunity' policies really tied the hands of the Chain of Command. Bucking deing deployed, under the UCMJ not a charge taken lightly, speaking out against official policy, another UCMJ issue(and from an officer no less), and a record of erratic behavior, a triple wammy that officials could not deal with like in the old days. This guy would be already be confined and be ready to deply to Leavenworth, but in today's PC enviornment they had to wait for the bomb to go off, before something could be done.
And why did he make it to the hospital? NOw comes the trial, the charges agaist the system that 'caused' him to do this, and his mental state, all based on his rights, who cares about the 13 he killed, thier rights. An old time cop, or MP with some 'hair' should of ended this fiasco before the media 'circus' begins. Just wait as the military 'system' is found guilty, and this POS misses the needle because he has mental issues. -------------
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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 7:22am
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Last night on Olbermann, he had a guy that knew him on and he said that he was telling his family that it wouldn't be right for him to go over to attack his "brothers". (muslims)
And if he could eliminate soldiers that were going over there to kill his "brothers" before they got there, he might save some of his "brothers".
Good thing this won't be classified as a "terrorist" act...
I also heard they were trying to blame his actions on mean things that people said to him...
You should have seen Olbermanns face when those "revelations" came out.
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Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 7:35am
It's not very constitutionalist of you to trivialize his rights like that. -------------
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Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 7:36am
Your cynicism runs pretty deep. I seriously doubt that the military's hands were tied -- for that matter he's far from the first soldier to try not to be deployed, or the first officer. I'm a little confused as to why/how a psychiatrist is deployed in a combat zone though.
What's the difference? Somehow classifying this is a terrorist act will make it better? And frankly, I would wait for an actual investigation to create some facts, rather than have someone is clearly interested in giving the media what they want (would you jump on TV if one of your friends shot up a bunch of people? Thought not.) make up some facts. This could turn out to be totally true, but I seriously doubt it. ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 7:40am
If what you said is correct, then this very obviously shouldn't be considered a terrorist attack (unless a terrorist attack just means someone from the middle east bringing harm on 'mericans) because the man's goal was to save his brothers by preemptively taking out the people who would be fighting them. His desire, according to your post, was not to instill fear, but to protect those he held dear. -------------
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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 7:41am
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Oh, yea, anyway to attack the military and the evil white guys that run it. He was a Commisioned Officer in the US Military, he took an oath to server, and once done can no longer select his 'enemy'. If the statement of killing those being sent to kill his brothers is found true...treason, courts martial, execution. Killing American soldiers as a Commisioned Officer within the US Army intentionally is a 'terrorist' and 'treason' offense. Our system did not create this monster, radical Islamic beliefs created this monster, but the media will try and convict the American System before it even considers challenging the Radical Islamic faith.
FYI, the UCMJ has a differant set of 'rights' than civl law, intentionally and needed based on the unique situation military personnel are placed into. His jury will be six Commisioned Officers, not a 'jury of his peers', and since he took the oath as a Commisioned Officer' in the Unites States Army, his 'rights' are specifacally outlined under the UCMJ. Sniper Rifle, open rec-yard, covered and conceald hide @600m away.....guards convieniently tieing boots....target's head explodes like grapefruit....strawberry fields......nobody hears or sees squat...case closed. -------------
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Posted By: Eville
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 7:53am
Agreed, speculation won't do anybody any good. Wait for the investigation.
From my experience, personal firearms are usually, or at least often prohibited on most bases. -------------
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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 8:15am
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Here is something the killer posted on the web...
Read it and ask yourself,
Terrorism or not?
http://www.scribd.com/NidalHasan - http://www.scribd.com/NidalHasan
And this...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/06/fort-hood-shooter-alive - http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/06/fort-hood-shooter-alive
Cone did not speculate on a motive, but the army released a statement saying the shootings did not appear to be an act of political terrorism.
Why would they make a statement like that so soon after the shooting way before the facts came out...
Could it be spin?... ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 8:40am
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Or perhaps a response to people who, like you, would prefer to blame Muslims for the problems we face. Most Muslims are not extremists. Most Muslims extremists do not live in this country. For that matter, until 9/11, Christian conservative extremists were considered more dangerous in this country than Muslim extremists. I'm not writing off the possibility that he did carry out the attack to prevent other soldiers from deploying, but whether it was terrorism or not doesn't change anything -- if he had done it high on meth, it would be just as horrifying and hurt the families of the dead just as badly. Personally, I don't think that killing him will make anything better for anyone, but I won't decide that; as OS said, a jury of six officers will. Also, doesn't it seem possible that he couldn't deal with the possibility that he would be exposed to the horrors that the soldiers he was counseling were telling him about? People who snap aren't generally very rational. Making your text huge is just annoying, I really don't know why you insist on doing it. ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 8:41am
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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 8:45am
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Doing it for the lulz ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 8:57am
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He strode into a deployment center, shouting "Allahu Akbar," which means "God is great" in Arabic, before targeting military personnel and warning civilians to get out of the way.
Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/muslim_major_screamed_allahu_akbar_XGrZPwVI9UdcsxpV42AdnK#ixzz0W5TPb0KN - http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/muslim_major_screamed_allahu_akbar_XGrZPwVI9UdcsxpV42AdnK#ixzz0W5TPb0KN Muslim extremists are at war with America, and the longer we pretend that this isn't the case, the more our side gets blindsided by stuff like this.
And when is the President going to make an actual decision on Afghanistan? Its been over 2 months since his general told him that we were getting our rear ends handed to us, and we needed more troops. The blood of all the soldiers being killed are on his head while he waffles trying to figure out what to do...
Guess all those rock concerts at the white house help him think. Or maybe all those golf games, or pickup basketball while our soldiers are dying because they don't have the support of the commander in chief.
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 9:01am
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Can we just get rid of religion now? ------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 9:02am
------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 9:54am
Again, great specific examples. Also, how is this Obama's fault? It's his fault that a small subset of Muslims want to kill our soldiers who are currently invading their lands in a war started by Bush? Explain that logic again, please. ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 10:39am
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Yes we are currently fighting against people who are muslim. That doesn't make Muslims extremists. This probably has nothing to do with him having a scary name and practicing Islam. Oh my god did he really say God is Great in Arabic? Clearly that makes him a terrorist(in the sense of the word we are using). It couldn't have anything to do with him being a psychiatrist and hearing from people who had been deployed, being against the war, and being deployed himself. Nope none of that is relevant.
lol ------------- Que pasa?
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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 10:49am
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Many here do not know how the 'system' works. The Commander of the Post was directed from 'above' to issue statements that could actually be contrary to the facts as known at the time. The containment of the information that may damage the 'system' is the primary reason the military is in the poor shape it is, the 'spin' polititians demand to keep the military in its 'place'.
As more and more 'facts' leak, and the prefered story falls apart, the administration is going to realize thier mistake, and watch how many 'scapegoats' are found at Ft, Hood. And the Officers will do the 'right thing' and resign rather than discrace the nation or uniform. The "Allah, Akbar" (if found as true)yelling as he was shooting puts him into a known catagory of 'enemy combatant', and immediately places his actions into the 'treason' catagory, plain and simple. (Imagine a German American Officer in WW2 yelling "Heil Hitler" as he shot soldiers preparing to deploy to Europe what the response and charges would be, if he actually survived to Courts Martial, and then the results) He lost his protections (remmember he falls under UCMJ not Civil Law) if foundation is established, the UCMJ can and hopefully will, charge, try, and execute without a media circus. All this 'spin' and 'pity party' comments by the usual suspects are funny in how many know how the UCMJ differs from Civil Law. Yes, the administration (Obama included) are in total 'repair and contain mode' and are telling the Commander at Ft. Hood exactly what to say and when, and he obeys orders as issued. He will eventually be thrown under the bus by the Obama administration, for the statements he was ordered to issue. -------------
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Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 10:59am
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How is it not treason if he shot fellow soldiers? That's the point I think you fail to understand. It's sad that you have to be so cynical -- not that things don't generally work the way you described them, but that you think that it all represents a huge failure of our political hierarchy and military society. *EDIT* The UCMJ doesn't seem to recognize "treason" except as an act of espionage. Shouting "Allah Akbar" doesn't make him the servant of another government, so I don't see a way he could possibly be charged with it. ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 11:12am
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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 11:30am
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I don't see why we're arguing whether it was terrorism or not. Personally, I'm extremely tired of hearing the phrase tacked on to everything. If you're going to call it terrorism, however, then you better call the kids from Columbine terrorists, as well as the beltway snipers, and ever other serial/mass murderer.
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Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 11:36am
Exactly. ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 12:39pm
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And now the army has "changed" the original statement... maybe no one will notice...
Here is the new "scrubbed" version.
http://www.defenselink.mil//news/newsarticle.aspx?id=56558 - http://www.defenselink.mil//news/newsarticle.aspx?id=56558
While investigators haven’t ruled out terrorism in the case, Cone said, the evidence doesn’t suggest it.
And Obama wants us to now wait for the facts before jumping to conclusions... Hmm. Reminds me of the officer he drug though the mud as being a racist, you mean that kind of jump to conclusions?...
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/11/06/obama-visit-walter-reed/ - http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/11/06/obama-visit-walter-reed/
Typical of someone with zero experience in management.
Good old on the job training. ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 12:43pm
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Do you have to bash Obama in every single thread?
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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 12:44pm
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yes.
Scrub, scrub...
http://pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/87980/ - http://pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/87980/ ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 1:07pm
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I think it's more appropriately summed up as treason rather than terrorism. Not that it doesn't have terrorist aspects, but the target was soldiers imminently deploying to Iraq, which differs in nature from a civilian target. I'm not at all suggesting that it's any 'better' for that reason, but there is a difference between targeting uniformed soldiers and going after civilians. Whether he truly acted alone or was part of something larger will probably be a critical determining factor. Also to be considered is that he's been in the military for quite some time; it's likely he radicalized long afterwards, and that he wasn't a long-embedded 'sleeper' agent. In any case, the Feds have the death sentence, and this guy's up on at least 12 charges of premeditated murder. Treason and terrorism are mostly academic. ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 1:16pm
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Wow guys... 13* people are dead, while more than 30 are wounded. Each one of them has family somewhere now grieving because their lives were taken away from them. Do you really want to sit here and argue about Obama and the definition of terrorism? People died yesterday. And they died for no real reason. Why do we seriously have to turn that into a debate? *http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-fort-hood-shootings7-2009nov07,0,1269467.story ------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 1:17pm
I'm sorry, where is the scrubbing going on? You really are looking for a way to blame this on Islam, aren't you? ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 1:48pm
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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 1:56pm
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...and? What is the significance of the army, mere hours after the incident, stating that it did not believe the actions were an act of political terrorism? Does it matter if it fits some arbitrary legal yardstick of Terror, or is the significance that a dozen people are dead, many families shattered, and many more people injured because of one person who flipped his lid? ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 2:01pm
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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 2:01pm
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He didn't "flip his lid".
He carried out the teachings of his muslim extremism, since they are currently in an active war with infidels... Too bad we are too stupid to acknowledge this, as it wouldn't be politically "tolerant"...
read some of the stuff he did, and posted beforehand... He was being watched by the FBI... ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 2:06pm
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Thank you, I'm aware of that. His motivations and ideology being one factor, another is that he was to be imminently deployed to Iraq. the past three or four years of his career have been debriefing and providing counselling for serious stress cases coming out of Iraq and the 'Ghan. Whether it was the former, the latter, or some combination of the two (which I believe is most likely) remains to be determined. You ignored my question about whether it's actually significant or not how this is labelled. What would 'OMGTERRISM!' accomplish other than to induce further paranoia, which is already at a high level since 9/11? The lessons to be learned from this will be in monitoring and intervening in cases of perceived extremism, but calling him a 'terrorist' ex post facto accomplishes nothing. ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 2:10pm
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This has absolutely nothing to do with his religion anymore than the multitudes of crazy ass white people put there yelling God or Jesus made me go on a killing spree.
Religion is the crutch of insanity-it is used to justify, but does not promote, violence. I'm already tired of hearing about his religion-it's insignificant, and side steps the real of issue of a Major in the military with a very controversial psych record and a history of instability that should have been adressed a long time ago. ------------- 
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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 2:12pm
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I could care less what they call this.
My issue is with the Army (who was answering to someone up the chain of command) issuing a statement like they did so soon after the shooting to try and spin this as "NOT" a terrorist attack was ludicrous. They had no idea at that point, and the spin was obviously in.
To say that it wasn't is foolish. Let it play out and deal with the issue.
This whole "don't say terrorist" because you might hurt someones feelings is beyond absurd.
The way this administrations tries to spin everything is so telling of their inexperience and desire for total power.
Especially when I point it out and everyone argues against me, like I care if we call him a terrorist or not, I'm just pointing out the "rush to judgement" while Obama talks about being patient to wait for the facts.
I guess you guys don't realize he is talking out of both sides of his mouth.
The press conference last night confirmed it, what was he thinking?... Pathetic ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 2:13pm
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FE, maybe they didn't want to jump to conclusions and scream "TERRORISM" right off the bat and get everyone all worked up about it.
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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 2:14pm
I disagree. Radical Islam is real, and does lead to a lot of terrible actions. However the danger lies in when people tar mainstream Muslims with the same brush. There's also a difference between a 17 year old kid in the tribal regions of Pakistan being told God wants him to kill infidels, and a guy nearing his 40s with an education and certification in psychology and years of experience in the military believing the same thing. The radical Islam thing is not to be dismissed. Nor is it to be emphasized above other considerations until investigation shows that this is appropriate. Crazy people will frequently wrap themselves in the cloak of some noble cause while committing their acts to as to hold some legitimacy in their own minds. ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 2:15pm
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Again, they didn't say "This is not a terrorist attack. Don't call it a terrorist attack. Don't say the word terrorist." What they said was "We don't believe it was a terrorist attack", since people in this country always jump to conclusions when a Muslim is involved. How is that ludicrous? Also, Bri makes a good point. ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: Eville
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 2:22pm
So the Army is not allowed to rush out a statement saying what the evidence points to at that time, but it is perfectly ok for you to jump out and yell OMGMUSLIMTERRISTS! mere hours after it happened? -------------
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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 2:24pm
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Bri, I'm not dismissing the validity of radical Islam as a danger, I'm simply arguing against it as a crutch for every Muslim that commits a crime. -------------
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Posted By: oreomann33
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 2:33pm
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Sounds to me like the guy just snapped. If he was really planning a terrorist attack he would have atleast taken the time to nab some body armor and a rocket launcher. Not just kicking down doors with a couple pistols. He wouldn't have joined the army with the sole intention of running around like Max Payne one day. I see this as a mentally unstable soldier going crazy. Not a well thought out attack. ------------- 
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Posted By: Enos Shenk
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 2:34pm
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You guys are pretty dense. Its perfectly obvious why some people WANT it to be terrorism. Not that Im saying it isnt. Im just saying its pretty easy to figure out why it HAS to be. Engage brains. Youll get it. ------------- 
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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 2:38pm
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Posted By: Enos Shenk
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 2:39pm
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Well that too, but no. If its obviously terrorism, its obviously Obamas fault because we didnt torture enough brown people.
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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 2:51pm
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Pretty simple to trace here AP Story mentions his name on "radical" (define radical, White Supremists?, White Seperatist?, NO radical ISLAMIC sites but the media does not have the onions to say that now do they)websites, did they mention radical Islamic websites, NO. They did mention how he was picked on as a Muslim 11 paragraphs down. SO the target shifts from the Muslim killing 13 to protect his "brothers" to the Americans who 'picked' on him for being Muslim. So it is racist/bigoted America's fault, not the teachings of Radical Islam.
Let the media circus begin. http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_FORT_HOOD_SHOOTING_SUSPECT?SITE=FLTAM&SECTION=US - http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_FORT_HOOD_SHOOTING_SUSPECT?SITE=FLTAM&SECTION=US -------------
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 4:10pm
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Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 4:31pm
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Apparently he shouted "Allahu Akbar" before opening fire. Terrorism? According to http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/6516570/Fort-Hood-shootings-the-meaning-of-Allahu-Akbar.html - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/6516570/Fort-Hood-shootings-the-meaning-of-Allahu-Akbar.html . |
Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 4:34pm
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ROFL_MAO gtfo with your old news
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