Cop and tazer overkill.
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Topic: Cop and tazer overkill.
Posted By: __sneaky__
Subject: Cop and tazer overkill.
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 2:59pm
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Definitely not needed.
Discuss. ------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 3:09pm
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NWA had it right.
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Posted By: Monk
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 3:16pm
| I wanna know what happened before that. Also, if it were an isolated problem, why were there other officers at the site? |
Posted By: DaveEllis
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 3:20pm
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I'd like a story behind it but it appears unjustified. With that said lol at holding up video tape, who uses video tape anymore? |
Posted By: Eville
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 3:20pm
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Without his gun he can't get none.
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Posted By: slackerr26
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 5:54pm
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i blame obama ------------- 
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Posted By: Destruction
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 5:57pm
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inb4 Linus ------------- u dont know what to do ur getting mottor boatted Men are from Magmar, women are from Venusaur. |
Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 6:07pm
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Yeah, without context, there is absolutely no way to judge that incident.
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 7:07pm
------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
ParielIsBack wrote:Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 7:13pm
Yep. No context needed. ------------- Que pasa? 
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Posted By: ammolord
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 8:04pm
------------- PSN Tag: AmmoLord XBL: xXAmmoLordXx ~Minister of Tinkering With Things That Go "BOOM!"(AKA Minister of Munitions)~ |
Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 8:16pm
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You see him for, what, 4 second before he gets tazed? Context is critical. ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 8:20pm
------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 8:30pm
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Apparently whatever conversation led up to the tazing resulted in the suspect giving the wrong answer. Just a guess. "Don't taze me bro!" ------------- "When I grow up I want to marry a rich man and live in a condor next to the beach" -- My 7yr old daughter. |
Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 9:09pm
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The Taser has been the best and worst thing to happen. Best: Can limit the physical damage to someone who is belligerent. Worst: Has made for a generation of really lazy cops who resort to it left and right. Also, fun fact - Taser is a brand name, like Kleenex or Band-Aid. Also, there is no verb form of the word because of it being a brand name. You can say that someone was shocked by a Taser, but someone cannot be "tazed." |
Posted By: Flurry
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 10:03pm
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There is such a thing as non-violent resistance. Sitting or standing and not fighting, pulling, or running. Protesters do this. There are times where pain complience is required to detain a suspect. Without knowing what was going on prior to this vid. it all looks very bad. There are SOME bad cops out there that would do things like how this looks...NOT ALL COPS!
Tazers reduce injuries to both suspects and officers. To the best of my knowlege there has not been 1 case of death that was 100% tazer caused. There has always been a medical, drug, or some other issue. If you have heart issues maybe you shouldn't try to hit a cap with a hammer or cause other peoblems that will get you thrown in jail.
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Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 10:08pm
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Sitting or standing without fighting should never require a Taser...I am pretty sure they are used like you said "to reduce injuries to suspects and officers" There was no threat to the officer and using the Taser caused more harm to the suspect. Also, I don't believe anyone has ever said using a taser causes death without other conditions. Do they check a suspects medical history before blasting them though? The only thing the guy in this video could have been doing was running his mouth. ------------- Que pasa?
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 10:08pm
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Taser, people. Taser. With an "s," not a "z." |
Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 10:25pm
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z is a much cooler letter than s. ------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 10:55pm
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It's only cooler when it has the bar through the middle. Otherwise I'm not sure if I just wrote a 2. ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 11:07pm
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Neither letter ever gets umlauts. Thus they are not cool. ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 07 November 2009 at 12:22am
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2 things need to be known before anyone can make any judgment on the video:
1) What led up to the situation that the tape shows (because it's obvious that the lawyer did what he could to make it seem unprovoked) 2) The departments policy on Taser use, and their use of force continuum. Before that info is available, I will not make a view for or against what happened, and neither should anyone else. But alas, any attempt at a logical view will be thrashed by the cop-haters that are ever present on this forum who view anything other than a cop giving out roses as police brutality. ------------- 
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Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 07 November 2009 at 12:28am
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Using a Taser on a subdued suspect who is posing no threat is not warranted. The man was just standing there against the car.
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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 07 November 2009 at 12:29am
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Again:
Show me the whole video, and show me the departments use of force policy regarding the Taser. Until then, you are unqualified at stating what is and is not warranted under their polices. -------------
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Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 07 November 2009 at 12:46am
Fixed? ------------- Que pasa?
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Posted By: Monk
Date Posted: 07 November 2009 at 12:46am
| Who is to say that he was actually shocked when the cop put it on this neck in the first place? He might have just had it there as a precaution, and then the suspect freaked out? |
Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 07 November 2009 at 12:53am
------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
Posted By: oreomann33
Date Posted: 07 November 2009 at 12:56am
Could you give an example of a scenario that would warrant the cop tasing him while his hands were on the car? And is there a police department that lets you taze people when they aren't being resistant? The way the cop just strolled up with his tazer ready and did it so casually gives it away. I'll bet anything the guy was running his mouth and the cop just got pissed. ------------- 
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Posted By: Monk
Date Posted: 07 November 2009 at 12:59am
Do you know beyond a shadow of a doubt that it didnt go down like this? |
Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 07 November 2009 at 1:04am
------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 07 November 2009 at 1:44am
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I've had grown men cry when I pull out an IV needle... having not even touched them yet. His theory isn't impossible :) -------------
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Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 07 November 2009 at 3:02am
Yea, except the 8th amendment means you can't just taze someone because it's the easy thing to do, and they probably won't get hurt...even though it apparently hurts a lot. ------------- 
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Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 07 November 2009 at 3:04am
See: googled It will be a real verb soon. -------------
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Posted By: God
Date Posted: 07 November 2009 at 2:31pm
| Yea! for out of context videoclips...... |
Posted By: Flurry
Date Posted: 07 November 2009 at 8:45pm
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TO: JMAC3, You are correct in most people's thinking. I wouldn't hit someone with the Taser if they were just standing there like that.
TO: Frozenballs, I dind't say that it could be used because it was easy. I was just saying that there is less of a chance of an injury such as a broken bone, or a bullet wound. IF...IF a shot is justified. There is a use of force scale that is followed by LE There have been many lives saved by the Tazer.
There are department policies that tell us when tazers / Pepper Spray / ANY use of force can be used. ------------- It sucks being antisocial alone. |
Posted By: Evil Elvis
Date Posted: 07 November 2009 at 9:30pm
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I don't think the Cop went Far Enough... ------------- 
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 07 November 2009 at 9:31pm
------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
Posted By: Eville
Date Posted: 07 November 2009 at 10:44pm
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All of you saying that we can't say if it was justified or not because we don't know what happened prior to the incident, what could have possibly happened prior to what we see that would warrant that action?
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Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Date Posted: 07 November 2009 at 11:06pm
| Doesn't matter, we still don't know what happened. |
Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 07 November 2009 at 11:54pm
------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Date Posted: 07 November 2009 at 11:58pm
| We still don't know what happened before. |
Posted By: Eville
Date Posted: 08 November 2009 at 12:04am
Nothing possibly could have happened before to warrant that course of action. If you can think of something, feel free to share. -------------
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 08 November 2009 at 2:17am
------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
Posted By: Eville
Date Posted: 08 November 2009 at 2:30am
Thats a first -------------
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Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 08 November 2009 at 3:18am
Looks like he was talking back...remember that time cops were allowed to electrocute someone for talking back? -------------
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Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Date Posted: 08 November 2009 at 9:40am
That will hold up in court. |
Posted By: Flurry
Date Posted: 08 November 2009 at 11:35am
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ok guys, we are getting into a lot of what if's. We do know that the suspect had his hands on the hood of the patrol vehicle and the officer walked up and hit him with the taser. It appears that the suspect was talking with the officer. That is all we know right now.
The way it looks from the vid. The officer APPEARS to be in the wrong. As I said before there are officers who will use force with out justification. There are bad cops out there.
This officer MAY have known this suspect. This suspect MAY be known to carry weapons. This suspect MAY be known for fighting for fighting / assaulting officers. The suspect MAY have said someting along the lines of "I'll only go back in a bodybag."
Like I said there are a lot of may be's and what if's. Without knowing what happened prior we can play the armchair QB all day and night long. I don't know what happened before the vid so I can't defend or condem the officer. I will not say that he did right or wrong with out knowing what he knew at the time of the incident. ------------- It sucks being antisocial alone. |
Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 08 November 2009 at 12:05pm
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I suspect if the guy said he was only going back in a body bag, or was going to shank the cop, he would have probly made some kind of a move by now instead of standing there with his hands on the hood of the car. ------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 08 November 2009 at 12:09pm
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Eville and I are both criminal justice majors, we know what we're talking about when it comes to tasing a damn suspect who isn't resisting.
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 08 November 2009 at 12:51pm
So, you've read this stuff in books, have no real world experience with it, but you're an expert on the subject? Note, this isn't saying that I agree with tasering* unarmed suspects or that the cop was right in this instance. I just have an issue with the statement made above. *Verbed . . . just for Whale.  ****I'd have added an adjective with "ly" on the end if I could have made it make sense in my statement. ------------- 
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Posted By: Flurry
Date Posted: 08 November 2009 at 2:55pm
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I didn't say the Officer was correct in the matter.
Sneaky: a lot of the time a suspect will start to resist when the officer is attempting to handcuff him. Yes a lot of suspects will run, but some will do what they are told untill the officer attempts to put the cuffs on...then the fight is on.
As I said in my last statement. "I' will not say he did right or wrong without knowing what he knew at the time." ------------- It sucks being antisocial alone. |
Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 08 November 2009 at 3:13pm
------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 08 November 2009 at 3:20pm
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I wonder what this cops high score on wii bowling is? -------------
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Posted By: Eville
Date Posted: 08 November 2009 at 3:23pm
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"On April 30, police say Ruiz standing on a planter near the Second
Precinct headquarters. He was accused of throwing a landscaping brick
at a police officer's personal car." Obviously still don't have the full story, but it looks to me like the cop was trying to get a little personal revenge on the suspect. The suspect claims he wasn't resisting at all before that, as credible as that may be. -------------
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 08 November 2009 at 3:27pm
------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 08 November 2009 at 10:40pm
Yet me, who is a CJ major further into studies and with a degree, CJ explorer for 2 years, a working EMT, and a soon-to-be Paramedic, knows nothing according to you? I have actual real-world implementation of what I learned, so does that instantly mean I'm right and you're wrong? Don't use education to back your view up if you don't know the facts surrounding the case, which you, sir, do not. -------------
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Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 08 November 2009 at 10:41pm
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No need for facts when a man is standing there with his hands on the vehicle.
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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 08 November 2009 at 10:43pm
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Oh, so you can believe everything you see on tape nowadays without question?
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 09 November 2009 at 12:16am
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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 09 November 2009 at 12:57am
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Yet, it was the lawyer of the supposed victim here that turned over a blatantly short videotape that shows the seconds just before and just after the incident, and nothing else... as if they were trying to hide something themselves.
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Posted By: Fuzzey5-0
Date Posted: 09 November 2009 at 1:20am
I Hate book jockeys myself. Or self-proclaimed bar exam success stories. Linus has the right train of thought. Innocent until proven guilty. Isn't it interesting how the cop haters will be quick to say the cop was wrong, the cop lovers will be quick to say the cop was right? It's called bias. Very rarely are there those that can call a neutral ground. I'm partial to the blue. Sorry, it's true. I will say this, and since I'm not going to bother looking up the actual story in the online print, i'll quote what someone else already did... "On April 30, police say Ruiz standing on a planter near the Second Precinct headquarters. He was accused of throwing a landscaping brick at a police officer's personal car.": Do we know why he was standing on a planter? Do we know why he was throwing the brick at a personal car? Do we know what state of mind Ruiz was in? Drugs maybe? Alcohol? Mental? I've known many a mental person to change personalities mid sentence. Anyone ever dealt with someone hopped on PCP? If you haven't, i reckon you google it. Superhuman strength comes to mind... The one blip the video showed, showed unnecessary force, yes. IF it was just that instant. Not to mention- as was also brought to light- the Force Continuum can assist an officer in articulation/justification of a particular level of force. One on one with someone is rarely a fair fight. Note the "suspect" is even a bit bigger in stature than the officer. Does that make it right? no... as I said, articulation/justification... It's called "totality of the circumstance". Not just the "isolated incident" that the mass media portrays. |
Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 09 November 2009 at 1:44am
I question the bias and origins of a new member named "Fuzzey5-0" in a police bruatlity thread 
I think being for or against the cop in this video is premature. This is half a puzzle, with most of the puzzle pieces coming from the man's lawyer, and a very conveniently timed vid.
Let's not forget he was doing something wrong to begin with, or he wouldn't be where he was at.
All you guys jumping up against this cop, and the few defending, are all very poorly informed at the moment. ------------- 
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Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Date Posted: 09 November 2009 at 1:47am
This. |
Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 09 November 2009 at 1:48am
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I havn't made a decision for or against the cop yet. Simply not enough info.
I can see how people think the cop is wrong, because they are simply looking at a small portion of what happened. That's like someone looking at the Doolittle raid on Tokyo without knowing about Pearl. Of course that would make America look like an evil country attacking unprovoked. But yes, I tend to be biased for cops. Darn me for putting trust in people who have backed me up with combative drug addicts. Darn me for trusting people who will be at my rig within 1 minute of me calling for police assistance. Darn me for giving the benefit of the doubt to those who risk their lives to protect mine. Darn me for trusting those who haven't yet done anything to make me question the trust. -------------
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Posted By: Fuzzey5-0
Date Posted: 09 November 2009 at 1:50am
Touche'... it just happens to be my Xbox Gamer tag... and it seemed like a fun topic. Not to mention, I was and still sort of am, surprised at the mostly civil reactions this thread is getting. |
Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 09 November 2009 at 1:53am
Give it time. Eventually this thread will degrade in to me vs 4 people, name calling, knife throwing, goodness... even when we all share the same opinion. -------------
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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 09 November 2009 at 2:13am
And the police department could have ended the sensational reaction by releasing the full video, but they didn't... as if they were trying to hide something themselves. Funny. -------------
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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 09 November 2009 at 2:15am
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I'm quite confident that the PD gave the lawyer the full video, who in turn chose not to release the full video.
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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 09 November 2009 at 2:24am
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Again, the PD didn't release the full video to the public. Let me make
it clear, I'm not taking sides as I do not know what transpired more
than a couple seconds before the man was shocked.
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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 09 November 2009 at 2:49am
Just some things I noticed reading on several sites about this case...
So the Chief of police had not seen the tape at the time of these articles' writing, and the police department hasn't issued a rebuttle for a reason.
Also, a later article from the same site-
This guy has quite a violent history. I also read around the Internet that the officer had seized drugs and money from the man, and that he had told him several times before the clip we see to get down, and the man refused.
If that's the case, then the officer has the right to use non lethal force on a suspect resisting arrest. And apparently the officers (read officers there were more than one on the scene) were aware of the man's violent past, taking into account of course that this guy is a big dude, and having just had his drugs seized, a big man on drugs isn't worth the risk to take down by hand.
That's one side, the officer could have very easily acted out of line, and I could be wrong, but everything seems to point to this guy being a repeat offender who refused to comply.
For those of you that said his hands were on the car-just because he was standing still doesn't mean he was complying. Not moving can be, and often is, a form of resisting arrest.
This whole thing smells of playing it up for money. They're wanting to settle out of court to the tune of around 70 grand, and of course we need a second release showing how this man is making restitutions for damaging the cop car that he threw a freakin' brick at, and what a responsible young man he is.
I dunno, for me, this thing just reeks of dollar signs. More than ever I'd love to see the aforementioned intro to this event.
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 09 November 2009 at 2:52am
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Edited post-script explanation: This is a reply to HV; Strato had to go and jump in the middle and muddle everything so I figured I'd tack this note on the beginning. In regards to the PD not releasing the tape: Not knowing the department policies and applicable state laws I can only speculate on why this is so, but, this speculation is based on experience with similar issues. The PD is probably required to release the tape (and any other evidence such as photographs, reports, or written statements) to the individual's lawyer under disclosure laws. Privacy laws (and the desire to avoid a defamation lawsuit) along with department policy could very well prohibit their release of the tape to the public while the individual's attorney is under know such restraint. Now, my gut feeling is that the taserly* behavior was probably unnecessary, but this is based on minimal evidence and is not sufficient to convict or not convict anyone in the court of public opinion as of yet. *Just for Whale. -------------
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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 09 November 2009 at 2:53am
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And just to add, this isn't the first police brutality claim against that department. So I'm sure in the lawyer's eyes, this is a cut and dry settle out of court case to save face.
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Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Date Posted: 09 November 2009 at 3:05am
| I see whats going on here now.... hmmm. |
Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 09 November 2009 at 3:36am
Word. I understood the PD's situation regarding the release of the tape, it's just too fun to prod Linus when he's acting pompous. I lol'd hard at taserly. -------------
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Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 09 November 2009 at 3:42am
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It doesn't matter what the cops retarded little code says they can or can't do. This is America, a police officer isn't allowed to just electrocute someone for standing there. Oh wow, he threw a brick at somebodies car. I didn't realize that justified electrocuting him. Oh hey, that guy just painted some graffiti on my police car. Let's shoot him! Let's recall that this cop casually walked up behind the guy and jabbed a tazer in his neck. Don't you think an aggressive individual "hopped on PCP" (I laughed at that brilliant analysis of someone calmly standing with their hands on a car) would resist? Don't you think someone "hopped on PCP" would be able to ignore a tazer? No wonder our public services are so loathed. Geniuses like you guys are a part of them. -------------
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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 09 November 2009 at 4:07am
While each of these things on their own merit may be true, together it paints a different story.
I'm going to put together an entire sentence out of each of your comments-
"Oh wow, a guy who who was on drugs just threw a brick at a police car and is now resisting arrest by just standing there. I didn't realize that justified electrocuting him."
Actually, yeah it does.
Going through the details, and again you're avoiding the fact that this guy has a violent history in the same area, he's busted throwing bricks at a cop car. That doesn't exactly signify someone in their right mind. You've repeatedly yelled at someone to get down, and that person defiantly stands in one spot.
So you have a choice of taking him down by force, which might be a bad idea with a potentially stoned man far larger than yourself, or jolting him to the ground. I know which route I'd take as a cop.
That being said, I'm not standing up for the cop, because I don't know the whole story, but neither do you. And in general our public services are loathed by people who dislike cops on the basis of authority. Police brutality is the minority in this country, the majority of the time officers put their lives on the line to either enforce a law or save a life.
I dislike cop-haters in the extreme. It's unfortunate that we're willing to give innocent until proven guilty to eveyone except law enforcement in this country. None of you know the full story here, and I'll say it again, you can't defend or prosecute the cop until you do.
We only know a few facts of guilt in this case, and they all revolve around the person being electrocuted.
Is it possible that police brutality is involved here? Sure it is. But none of the "geniuses" on either side of this debate are informed or qualified to make the verdict that this cop acted out of line.
And you know what? Just as an added note-Don't be a freakin' dumbass and throw things at cop cars when you're carrying drugs and evidence on your person, and cases like this are avoided altogether. -------------
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Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 09 November 2009 at 4:25am
Well, at least you followed the part where the brick throwing happened months earlier...
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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 09 November 2009 at 5:16am
The taser-ing also occured on April 30. It's just now making headlines because of the lawsuit. -------------
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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 09 November 2009 at 6:57am
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Didn't watch the video, didn't read the 4 pages of saying the same thing over and over. I've decided that there's no such thing as 'tazer overkill' if you don't put yourself into a position where you COULD be tazed, this wouldn't happen. I'm starting to believe that zapping perps should become a standard part of the arresting procedure, immediately following the miranda rights reading. That accomplishes three things: 1. It may eliminate the possibility of more serious police 'brutality' if they get to administer just a little bit of juice to the guy that just punched a little old lady and led them on a foot chase down a city street. 2. It lets the suspect know that these guys mean business, don't screw with them. 3. It'll end this whole whirling crap fest where every time a video clip comes out showing some idiot getting tazed- the bandwagon of "Bad cop! Bad cop!" gets full before you have any idea what the whole story is. You've got a 12 second youtube clip of a guy getting tickled and try to draw an entire conclusion based on that? If tazing becomes so commonplace, then this argument goes away and we don't have to listen to the whining anymore. Zap 'em all, and zap 'em good. ------------- ? |
Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 09 November 2009 at 2:57pm
Or just give them a good double-zap. -------------
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Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 09 November 2009 at 3:31pm
To the head, of course. ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 09 November 2009 at 3:41pm
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I find it funny how people like Frozen are so quick to denounce Taser and items like it, even though OC spray has killed WAY more people... where's the outcry to stop police from carrying OC spray?
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 09 November 2009 at 5:44pm
Yet you don't understand the desire to prod Jmac when he's acting like FE? -------------
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Posted By: Flurry
Date Posted: 09 November 2009 at 8:08pm
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Yes, there are reasons that LE is disliked. LE doesn't let people drive drunk. LE doesn't let you speed past stop sighs and kill people. Lets let people do what ever they want and not give a damn about other people's rights or safety....GREAT IDEA .
The reason alot of people don't like the police is because there is a small % of police that are bad cops. These bad cops will use force when it is not justified, and cause all kinds of other unhappyness for everyone. Also there is a % of people that don't like the cops because they are "missunderstood" people that do drugs, rape kids, steal stuff, assault people...ect...ect...
Please note the part about the fact that there are bad cops out there.
Yes, I have gotten a little off subject here...I am not defending or condeming this officer in question...it seems to me that all LE has been called into question because of one officer's actions...Which have not yet "to the best of my knowlege" been proven to be wrong.
Also, who do you call when someone throws a brick through the window of your car, or assaults you, or causes you some other injustice. Try calling a drug dealer and see if he helps you find out who threw that brick or if he'll help you pick up your teeth after a fight. ------------- It sucks being antisocial alone. |
Posted By: ammolord
Date Posted: 09 November 2009 at 8:12pm
To be completely honest, in Minot, id call a drug dealer before id call MPD. I could get more help that way. MPD is terrible, slow, and wont do anything unless they HAVE to. Didnt even help when i got into my accedent a few years ago, they stood there and watched while while i crawled out of my car. ------------- PSN Tag: AmmoLord XBL: xXAmmoLordXx ~Minister of Tinkering With Things That Go "BOOM!"(AKA Minister of Munitions)~ |
Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 09 November 2009 at 8:26pm
Well, you shouldn't be getting into car accidents. -_- ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: ammolord
Date Posted: 09 November 2009 at 8:29pm
we need a dodgy, dont we?
And i still cant bealive that. roll my car (i had a 95 cavalier for a few months) into a ditch, and they stand on the top as i crawl out. didnt help, see if i was ok, anything. just stood there. ------------- PSN Tag: AmmoLord XBL: xXAmmoLordXx ~Minister of Tinkering With Things That Go "BOOM!"(AKA Minister of Munitions)~ |
Posted By: Flurry
Date Posted: 09 November 2009 at 9:04pm
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I haven't heard too many good things about Minot or the MPD lately no offence. I was there on sat at Menards and a few other places. At least they didn't have to cut the car off of you.------------- It sucks being antisocial alone. |
Posted By: ammolord
Date Posted: 09 November 2009 at 9:31pm
you talking about that red suburban that hit the horse trailer that came off the dullie? ------------- PSN Tag: AmmoLord XBL: xXAmmoLordXx ~Minister of Tinkering With Things That Go "BOOM!"(AKA Minister of Munitions)~ |
Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 09 November 2009 at 9:40pm
Talk about sequence of events. ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Date Posted: 09 November 2009 at 9:43pm
| FINAL DESTINATION! |
Posted By: ammolord
Date Posted: 09 November 2009 at 10:04pm
If its what he was talking about, it was bad. Wish i had a pic on my phone. ------------- PSN Tag: AmmoLord XBL: xXAmmoLordXx ~Minister of Tinkering With Things That Go "BOOM!"(AKA Minister of Munitions)~ |
Posted By: Fuzzey5-0
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 12:44am
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bB9-NcunsKc - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bB9-NcunsKc ------------- I shoot things with paint. |
Posted By: Hysteria
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 12:13pm
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