$15,000 0r go directly to Jail
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Topic: $15,000 0r go directly to Jail
Posted By: oldsoldier
Subject: $15,000 0r go directly to Jail
Date Posted: 07 November 2009 at 11:13pm
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Under the new soon to be voted on health care plan:
http://republicans.waysandmeans.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=153583 - http://republicans.waysandmeans.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=153583 Check your wallets, going to get a lot lighter paying for this fiasco. NOt only do you have to pay $15,000 for a policy, you have to pay more in taxes for others to have health care. So much for the promise. ------------- 
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Posted By: Eville
Date Posted: 07 November 2009 at 11:59pm
There are cases, including religious, that exempt you from the tax and coverage. But really, you are complaining about people being punished for tax evasion. ------------- 
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the letter wrote:Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 08 November 2009 at 12:46am
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Damn Obama making tax evasion illegal.
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Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 08 November 2009 at 3:46am
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A decent healthcare plan costs like $20k plus, doesn't it?
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Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 08 November 2009 at 10:46am
$15k is probably on the cheap side, yes. ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 08 November 2009 at 10:47am
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My parents don't have that extra 15 grand to throw around, personally.
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Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 08 November 2009 at 3:34pm
So I guess I am confused. Why is thing so terrible? -------------
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Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 08 November 2009 at 6:27pm
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Because apparently health insurance is something people actually don't want.
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Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Date Posted: 08 November 2009 at 6:29pm
Fix'd. |
Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 08 November 2009 at 6:34pm
Subtract what they currently pay for health insurance first. |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 08 November 2009 at 6:49pm
Stop being logical whale, just H8! |
Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 08 November 2009 at 6:57pm
In that case, I heard there will be death panels to kill grandma. |
Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 08 November 2009 at 7:06pm
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Just remmeber within the bill is a cost chart, if the cost vs longevity does not equate, health care for the elderly (the largest health care cost in the nation)may end up being deemed fiscally inappropiate, and only a 'maintenece' treatment (ease painfree into death) may be allowed. Not quite a "Death Panel" but once you get up here in age, closest thing to Soylent Green there is.
If grandma is 91 and failing, do you really believe that the health care system is going to sink a couple hundred thouseand into her to extend her life, oh maybe 6 months. Don't think so. How long will they attempt for cancer remission, before they say too expensive? You have a dibilitating stroke, and in coma, where is the new mandated government line on health care costs, balancing whether patient come out of coma, and quality of life post stroke, is it a good financial 'risk'? -------------
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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 08 November 2009 at 7:10pm
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OH and if you are one of the couple million who by choice do not have health care insurance based on thier healthy lifestyle, where is that $15,000 going to come from in todays economic conditions?
And the promise of no middle class tax hikes, or change in lifestyle to fund this fiasco, $15,000 can be quite a hit for those not currently insured, by choice. -------------
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 08 November 2009 at 7:24pm
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 08 November 2009 at 7:25pm
Can you back any of this up please? Or is this just more "what if" paranoia with no basis? |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 08 November 2009 at 7:34pm
I don't drive, when will i be able to deem that based on my lifestyle, I no longer feel like paying taxes for roads? Furthermore, I never plan on having my house set on fire since I live a cautious lifestyle. Why do I have to pay for firefighters? ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 08 November 2009 at 8:11pm
| I haven't been in public school for 5 years, why should I help fund them? |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 08 November 2009 at 8:13pm
So, it'd be $15k for a FAMILY without any grouping. This means that it would be the worst possible scenario which isn't likely to happen. Nowhere in your link does it state what constitutes a family plan or how grouping works OS. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 08 November 2009 at 8:15pm
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Has anyone seen a breakdown of estimated costs per year for a couple of different possible family sizes and income levels? For that matter, can anyone actually summarize exactly what this bill *does*? ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 08 November 2009 at 9:50pm
Talk about spin... ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 08 November 2009 at 9:59pm
Hey, this is the no spin zone. Everything else is spin but this. |
Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 08 November 2009 at 10:00pm
I'm curious myself. There's far more rhetoric than information out there, I'd like to see a break down and summary of what exactly the coverage consists of, the actual costs, and the specifics...minus grandma death squads and left wing spin.
I'll have to look more into this after work, or if anybody has a good link that would be epic. ------------- 
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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 08 November 2009 at 11:05pm
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Problem is in the language of the bill there is no true Table of Organization, or any Tables of Costs. All the language basically addresses id thdesire to 'reform' the way health care is administered. A very open ended word, 'reform' now subject ot the whims and desires of Congress (Democrats to be specific) to tie a 'benifit' to an voter base. Before the Medicare Seniors were a powerfull voting bloc, so Medicare was off limits. Now with the Gen X crowd forming a larger and more powerfull voting block, the seniors were thrown under the bus and the sacred cow Medicare was sacrificed (see funding cut)for this new fiasco.
I have read the entire bill 1990 pages, and nowhere can specific language be found designating actual spending. The penalty for non-compliance is well out lined, but compliance to what is a question the bill does not answer. So as this beast morphs as it goes through the Senate, and then back to the House for final vote, I am interested if the General Public will ever actually see a true Table of Organization, and or a Tabled Accounting of Funding and Outlay. But Yea, Rah Rah it did Pass, but what actually passed. -------------
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Posted By: slackerr26
Date Posted: 08 November 2009 at 11:09pm
shens ------------- 
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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 08 November 2009 at 11:16pm
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Here it is, read on. A lot of big word and numbers so expect a TL/DR from the majority here.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/21803801/H-R-3962-Affordable-Health-Care-for-America-Act-as-Introduced - http://www.scribd.com/doc/21803801/H-R-3962-Affordable-Health-Care-for-America-Act-as-Introduced -------------
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 08 November 2009 at 11:20pm
It's also 1990 pages. ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 08 November 2009 at 11:36pm
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There's actually quite a bit in there that sets up new structures for the evaluation of nursing homes and skilled nursing facilities.
So shens on the hatred for the elderly?
Not that I'm making any calls, right now I'm just digging through facility regulations and skimming over the basics. It'll take me a long time to read through enough to form an opinion. -------------
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Posted By: Eville
Date Posted: 08 November 2009 at 11:48pm
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Correct me if I am wrong, but won't this new system render Medicare useless?
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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 08 November 2009 at 11:53pm
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I don't know about useless, but it certainly dips into Medicare quite often throughout the bill. -------------
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 09 November 2009 at 3:08am
Annoys conservatives? ------------- 
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Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 09 November 2009 at 3:46am
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I suspect an elderly person requiring additional car can...buy private insurance? Use Medicare? Or am I missing something else? -------------
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Posted By: StormyKnight
Date Posted: 09 November 2009 at 4:15am
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How about this: If medicare is so great, and not broke according to Alan Combs why not just cover everyone under that instead of this hugely-worded bill that nobody can summarize, much less understand? ------------- 
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Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 09 November 2009 at 4:17am
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I'm not an old person so I am not positive, but I think that medicare is only a supplemental plan for certain things.
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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 09 November 2009 at 4:20am
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Medicare is a primary insurance, but it's coverage is notoriously limited. Most people use replacement policies that carry a copay or deductible, but are accepted more places and cover a high percentage than Medicare does. -------------
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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 09 November 2009 at 9:20am
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Understand that elderly care is quite differant than warehousing them in approved 'care' centers.
Every insurance policy had restrictions of some kind, as will this new fiasco. Problem is they have not assembled the system and determined what restrictions will apply. I already know the potential restrictions that will be placed on 'service connected' disabilities through the Veterans Administration Medical System, already recieves the letter outlining the policy as the VA understand it. And of course we are dealing with inter-agency federal bravo sierra. -------------
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Posted By: Rambino
Date Posted: 09 November 2009 at 12:22pm
Because the Democrats are being wimps. Some version of expanded Medicare is very much what many people would like.
Of course, Medicare still needs some fixing... ------------- [IMG]http://i38.tinypic.com/aag8s8.jpg"> |