They passed it.
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Topic: They passed it.
Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Subject: They passed it.
Date Posted: 08 November 2009 at 12:14am
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They passed the health care bill 220-215 vote. http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics/AP/story/1322657.html - http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics/AP/story/1322657.html |
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Posted By: The Guy
Date Posted: 08 November 2009 at 12:48am
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they got only 2 votes more than they needed. Lets see what it does in the Senate.
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Posted By: mbro
Date Posted: 08 November 2009 at 2:54am
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I imagine they put a lot of measures in this bill just so they have more to bargain with when they have to compromise with the senate bill. ------------- 
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 08 November 2009 at 3:30am
| So can someone Canadian this for me? |
Posted By: mbro
Date Posted: 08 November 2009 at 3:44am
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Ok, the house passes their version of the bill, the senate passes their version. If they don't pass the same version the two houses of congress meet and work on a third, different version that they then bring back to the house and the senate to the revote on. Once they pass the exact same bill it goes to the pres to sign.'
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Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos. |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 08 November 2009 at 3:47am
| I meant in this specific case. Does this mean anything, or just another piece of paper doing nothing. |
Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 08 November 2009 at 3:49am
It's through the House. It means nothing until it goes through the Senate, they change it to how they want, then the House agrees. Repeat process until both agree on identical bill. ------------- 
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choopie911 wrote:Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 08 November 2009 at 3:50am
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It does and doesn't mean something. The House passed it, but just barely. -------------
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Posted By: mbro
Date Posted: 08 November 2009 at 3:50am
Yadda yadda, conservatives will scream for a week but in the end it doesn't matter that much until they have a final bill for both houses. -------------
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 08 November 2009 at 4:05am
| So is this the part where they staple on a bunch of ridiculous bullcrud to the coat tails of the bill to slip stuff by? |
Posted By: mbro
Date Posted: 08 November 2009 at 4:17am
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No, I think what you're thinking of is what is called a rider where a congressman slips in some pork onto a bill that doesn't deal with the topic at hand. This is basically a negotiation strategy to make sure the senate bill actually covers "most," but not everybody, because our politicians are stupid and pussies.
Who doesn't want to spend 17% of GDP on healthcare? -------------
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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 08 November 2009 at 7:12am
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Now those who voted yes from more centrist states need to see how this effects thier futures. Not a real career ensuring votr.
This will bounce around the Senate, for awhile, then they present thier bill. And the circuses begin. Glad I am exempt from any bill that may see the light of day. I am 100% covered by VA, and wife is under Champ VA, so thank you all for paying, now it will be the additional 389,999,999 that you will also be paying for that will really cost ya. And I really hope you know what you are getting into, and what hurdels you will now face as the full cost is now on you, and no longer the employer paying a percentage. So you actually get a pay cut (health care premium payed by employer) more competition for any services available (rationing), and more paperwork and intrusion into your life (tax return review, etc) by Big Brother, who just created the first true tiered healthcare system the nation has ever seen. Top tier are themselves the Polititians and Powerfull, and the standard wait in line for how long health Care system for the rest of America. Doctor Flight to Carribean is just a matter of time, and the rich will go there for thier health care, and the rest of you get Joe Foriegn intern in an assembly line care system. Make sure you check in the line you are in for your representative in Washington. Strange how they exempot themselves from the system they just created, if it was that good they should have been first in line for it. ------------- 
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 08 November 2009 at 10:18am
"Man I'm glad I don't have to deal with that awful terrible Government-run health care. I'm covered by VA!" |
Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 08 November 2009 at 10:53am
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If you really think that health care quality isn't directly tied to economic position, you are crazy, OS. I seriously doubt anything you're predicting will come true. ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: Enos Shenk
Date Posted: 08 November 2009 at 1:40pm
Whenever I see a statement like this, I read it as "I'm covered, but screw the rest of you suckers" And I dont think Im entirely off the mark there. ------------- 
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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 08 November 2009 at 1:42pm
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OK, Whale lets look at this. I retire from the military and start in the Tri-Care (Government funded, but personal co-pay system simular to private insurance)system. A system that had coverage restrictions, large co-pays, extensive restrictions on the type of care funded, none of this explained to the retiree until that catostrphic injury/illness happens. Went to my Private Doctor and was told he was at the limit of what he could do with my knees, any more specialized care was out of pocket. So in a nutshell Tri-Care was a "rationed" system.
Decided to go to VA for specialized treatment, in order for me to do that under Government regulation I had to have the VA as my primary care system. OK, another set of eyes on the problem, maybe a good thing. Since 1997 when I went to the VA I have had 8 primary care physician (turnover as the interns move on to private practice) and a inch by inch diagnoses. With each new Primary Care physician had to start again at square 1 in order to get something actually done. I do believe the purpose of the exercise is to frustrate the patient to the point they leave the system. Many things in the wonderfull system were overlooked to the point it now turned catistrophic, both knews went down to bone on bone, and an actual wearing to expose marrow on the right. So there was no real intervention or treatment until they were to a point that only option was replacement. Now comes the fun part, had to wait till an available orthopedist was available, almost a year till the VA finally figured they had to pay for an out of system orthopedist to do surguries, another person that now had to be "read in" on the situation. Took almost a whole year. NOw due to the surguries, I am dealing with blood clot issues (one stoke, 2 TIA's), dibilitating RSD pains due to the surguries, and now since the system now recognized "Gulf War Syndrome" are looking at that in the search for the reason my nervous system is shutting down. Now did I make a mistake in using Tri-Care or the VA in the course of this? Sometimes I think so, but now I am in a "pre-exsisting condition" status and all care for the primary issues, and uninsurable for treatment of those issues. For comman issues use wife's city insurance and co-pay, faster and more readily available care than calling 'duty nurse' to see if an appointment can be made, and if no appointment sitting in the VA emergencie room for upwards of 12-24 hours as the limited amount of Doctors for the patient load manages the system. SO it is not really my call that I am in the VA system, the current 'rules' do not let me shop elsewhere. And under the new plan as explained I will still be in a restricted class of patients, where universal coverage will be restricted to non exsisting conditions per the new bill. (again rationed). The Department of Defense as well as the Veterans Administration has sent out the letters explaining the new medical care available under the Veterans Administration and the proposed new universal health care legislation. So I am stuck in a inefficiant government run healthcare system based on current regulations, not personal choice. Can not under wife's medical plan, or upcomming regulations switch back to a "private" provider unless I pay out of pocket for 100% of care on my pre-exsisting conditions. Once the "service comnnected" tag is placed on myissues even under the proposed system I am inelligable for it. Welcome to the world of government oversight and 'catch 22' regulations the government operates under. -------------
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Posted By: Ben Grimm
Date Posted: 08 November 2009 at 2:44pm
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OS - you probably don't realize this, but you are basically a walking advertisement for socialized healthcare, and almost every post you make on the subject is an unintentional argument in favor of the same.
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 08 November 2009 at 3:58pm
Yeah pretty much. I just can't stand the attitude of "why fix the system, it works for me?" You're just ignoring the rest of your country OS. Have some pride, help others. |
Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 08 November 2009 at 4:57pm
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The point is it does not work, efficiently. My knees are case in point. Failings were noted on retirement physical, told "service connected" so was given option of a. Tri-Care/Champus or Veterans Administration Health Care. Now by regulation in order to be 'compensated' for "service connected" injuries those were my options for medical care of the issue that I was compensated for due to my service. So my care is dictated by regulation from Washington, if I want to have the benifits earned from my service. Even my 'change of circumstances' (getting married) did not qualify me to get private insurance coverage of service connected 'pre-exsisting' conditions.
The system does not work, my initial knee issue went from arthritis and missing ACL to full replacement because proper care from the 'system' did not properly treat the initial issue. Leading to dual surguries, and complications from the surguries (INR and RSD issues). Noiw my 'chemical contamination' from Desert Storm is finally being addressed as only recently did the VA recieve 'permission" from Washington to investigate and treat "Gulf War Syndrome". Again being a unique "injury/illness" associated with military service, private insurance will not cover any diagnosis or treatment from a non VA medical provider. As stated in 1992 if I said 'hell with it' and gone pure private insurance possibly I would not be 100% disabled and failing in health. But as per the agreement made for my 23 years of service I was entitled to medical care for my service connected injuries/illness's as part of the compensation/retirement package. But the system was broken and failing, so I am now totally at the mercy of beaurocrats in Washington who worded regulations, and degree of treatment authorized, and insurance companies who use those same regulations to denie me any form of private medical insurance to cover those 'service connected' issues. The reason I am against this proposed universal health care system is with all its good intentions how soon does the system breaks down, and the degree of restrictive regulations increase to the point I am at with the VA. Just a simular thought, the same mebers of Congress who benifited from the post WW2 GI Bill, were the same individuals that cut the programs to where instead of the 100% education benifit they recieved, you the post VN generation will pay at least 20% in and then maybe you will recieve your tuition and stipend checks on time. (as of now 35% of individuals in the GI Bill education system have to had to request 'emergency' checks in order to continue thier education as the system is now so top heavy in regulations, that it fails to function as intended. Again having seen the changes implimented, the regulations change and forcing you into situations with no other course of action based on pure funding directives from Washington, I fear for what this new universal plan will morph into, and the effect it will have on grandkids and generations to come. Remmember to fund this new fiasco they threw the elderly under the bus by cutting medicare, and AARP helped push the person infront of the bus. -------------
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 08 November 2009 at 5:01pm
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VA healthcare =/= a decent large scale government healthcare plan
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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 08 November 2009 at 10:36pm
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God, can we all quit calling this "health care reform"? This has nothing to do with reforming the health care practice. This is health care insurance reform.
We need to reform healthcare as well. ------------- 
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 09 November 2009 at 12:12am
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Dammit Mbro. I'm going to have that song stuck in my head for a week. ------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 09 November 2009 at 12:46am
Actually, there's quite a bit in there that affects, maybe not so far as "reforms", health care standards. I haven't gotten far enough to say how deep it goes, but it affects far more than just insurance.
Be interesting to see what form of it goes to the Senate though, and if it's DOA. ------------- 
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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 09 November 2009 at 1:16am
Anything the US Govt. does =/= anything decent. I mean, let's face it, you've got to be crazy to run for public office in the first place. Add in temptations caused by power and well.... you see why the US is losing its grip lately. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: Ben Grimm
Date Posted: 09 November 2009 at 7:24pm
Why do you hate our troops? ------------- It's Clobberin' Time! |
Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 09 November 2009 at 7:37pm
Mommy, daddy, can we keep this one? I LOL'ed pretty good at that. ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |