Texas Flashlight.
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Topic: Texas Flashlight.
Posted By: Snipa69
Subject: Texas Flashlight.
Date Posted: 20 November 2009 at 6:58pm
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So hopefully this inserted correctly. But needless to say...I want one. Sorry if this is old, but it's none the less awesome. ------------- http://imageshack.us - [IMG - http://img456.imageshack.us/img456/857/sig9ac6cs1mj.jpg - |
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Posted By: God
Date Posted: 20 November 2009 at 7:05pm
| It gets nasty, get down to business. |
Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 20 November 2009 at 7:11pm
| Wouldn't be civilian legal unless registered as an SBR, but badass none the less |
Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 20 November 2009 at 7:47pm
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"Raise my taxes now yeh dagnab terrerrist!" ------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
Posted By: nickman98
Date Posted: 20 November 2009 at 8:02pm
| ...wow....gimmie gimmie gimme |
Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 20 November 2009 at 10:03pm
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That's just insane.
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Posted By: slackerr26
Date Posted: 21 November 2009 at 12:27am
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Benjichang wrote:Posted By: bishopisback
Date Posted: 21 November 2009 at 4:00am
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I'll take three. ------------- 
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Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 21 November 2009 at 10:23am
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Old. ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: Snipa69
Date Posted: 21 November 2009 at 12:19pm
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yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeah...i sorta already made that remark when I posted this so get out of my thread. ------------- http://imageshack.us - [IMG - http://img456.imageshack.us/img456/857/sig9ac6cs1mj.jpg - |
Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 21 November 2009 at 12:54pm
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Chamber it in .224 Boz and I'll take one.
KBK |
Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 21 November 2009 at 1:16pm
 It looks too much like, well, itself to actually be hidden though. Perhaps it deploys slightly faster than a weapon in a holster, but that's the only actual benefit I can see from it. ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: Snipa69
Date Posted: 21 November 2009 at 4:24pm
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uh.....how bout the sheer bad*butt*ery of it? If you were to walk down the street trying to mug a guy and he turned his flashlight into that wouldn't you pee yourself? ------------- http://imageshack.us - [IMG - http://img456.imageshack.us/img456/857/sig9ac6cs1mj.jpg - |
Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 21 November 2009 at 4:48pm
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Old.
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Posted By: Snipa69
Date Posted: 21 November 2009 at 4:57pm
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GO AWAY ------------- http://imageshack.us - [IMG - http://img456.imageshack.us/img456/857/sig9ac6cs1mj.jpg - |
Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 21 November 2009 at 6:28pm
------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
Posted By: merc
Date Posted: 21 November 2009 at 6:58pm
at first i was like what in the ham sandwich, then i was like OOOOO... .224 boz looks sick but 10mm is hard enough to find in these parts, i dont even think you can get .224 boz without spending some serious cash or making your own... ------------- saving the world, one warship at a time. |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 21 November 2009 at 7:01pm
| lol @ the retards in the comments yelling about their rights to own this. Go away. |
Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 21 November 2009 at 8:32pm
Because I mug tons of people. Oh, wait. And no, I wouldn't pee myself. The thing still doesn't deploy fast enough to prevent a criminal who knows what it is from shooting you before it's in hand. ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 21 November 2009 at 9:13pm
------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 21 November 2009 at 9:32pm
Had to check that out myself, wow. ------------- 
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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 21 November 2009 at 9:38pm
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Eugene Stoner called from the grave, he'd like a big, fat, royalties check: http://world.guns.ru/smg/smg70-e.htm - Ares FMG
The concept has been around (and made) since before 1986. Hell, even the Russians stole the idea for their PP-90 (look it up). Everyone else said "old" but I don't think they realized exactly how old it really is. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 22 November 2009 at 3:53am
It IS a shoulder arm, and shoulder arms, even carbines are better than pistols. Easier to aim, easier to control. Again, not every criminal is a super slick ninja. They might get the drop on you, but they might not as well. You don't carry a gun and stick your head in a paper bag. You are meant to be paying attention to your surroundings. Hopefully you'll see the situation developing, and if you can't avoid it, THEN you fall back on your weapons. Kind hard to do if you don't have any weapons.... Weapons might not save you, but they might give you the edge you need to survive I think we all realize how old "old" was, but it is still cool. And it does close up better than most others I have seen. its pretty slick as well. There isn't much call for the .224 Boz any more, especially with more things like the 5.7x28mm on the market. I just have a soft spot for it :) KBK |
Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 22 November 2009 at 11:17am
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Did you even read my comment? ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: ¤ Råp¡Ð F¡rè ¤
Date Posted: 22 November 2009 at 11:29am
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That. Is. Awesome. ------------- 
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Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 22 November 2009 at 12:00pm
Yes, and no weapon system short of aiming a weapon at everyone in your vicinity 24/7 will be fast enough. It can give you an edge. It does look like what it is, but how many gang bangers will know about it? And at night, in the dark, it'll look like a torch. Practice will make shouldering it easier and quicker. KBK |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 22 November 2009 at 12:03pm
I did, and I think you're thinking of this in the wrong terms. Of course, the guy who demonstrated it was doing the same. The whole purpose of this thing from Eugene Stoner's standpoint was that it would be useful for businessmen working in highly dangerous environments (think Colombia/Afghanistan/Iraq). Stoner also thought of it as a useful undercover tool for DEA/FBI agents. As it stands, these agencies use fake briefcase/carry-on-luggage style bags to conceal and then rapidly deploy Colt-635's and HK MP-5's. This set-up would allow one to ideally deploy faster in times of need without putting the general populace on edge when not in use. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 22 November 2009 at 12:46pm
How many people walk around carrying a flashlight at night? I was walking around from about 9-1 last night, and did not see a single flashlight. I can't say whether carrying a flashlight would make you a more or less likely target, but it certainly would make you stand out. Whereas an actual CCW shouldn't be visible, and therefore wouldn't, possibly for better or worse. Also, the situations in which I want my hands to be full while I'm walking around are few and far between. Gun in a holster seems to be better suited to any sort of CCW than this thing ever would be. That was my point. Reading. Is. Key.
This weapon doesn't give you the firepower of either of those, though. A scaled up, briefcase size version that was an actual carbine, rather than a submachine gun like the FMG 9 and Ares SMG would be an interesting solution, but I doubt trading the firepower of a 30-rounds for half that number, for a second earlier deployment is worth it in most situations. ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 22 November 2009 at 4:02pm
Actually, if you were a shooter like Kayback and myself, you'd realize that the stability of the fmg platform gives you better target acquisition capabilities. Furthermore, the stability decreases the chances of a missed shot which is a key necessity in urban and suburban areas. Finally, the flashlight is actually a really good thing to have. If just carrying a pistol ccw, chances are you don't have a light on it which makes target identification and acquisition much, much harder. A study I read about a year ago from the FBI stated that a large majority of accidental shootings (where the shooter purposefully discharged the firearm at an individual) that occurred on or around someone's home property were cases of mistaken identity. In short, the finding found that something like 90+% of mistaken identity shootings would have potentially been avoided if the shooter had used a flashlight in conjunction with their firearm. This is why we always advocate having a flashlight attached to whatever home-defense weapon you choose. Identifying your target is the most important part of safely using a firearm.
Your statments are just Flat. Out. Wrong. The Colt635 and HK MP-5 family both fire the 9x19mm Parabellum round that you find in most sub-guns. The H&K also comes chambered in .40S&W and 10MM if so desired, but that is a special order and you don't see it often. Given that this folder uses a Glock upper and Glock mags, I would think you could change out the caliber to virtually ANY caliber that Glock uses including .45ACP, .45GAP, .40S&W, 9x19mm, etc. etc. Furthermore, capacity =/= firepower. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 22 November 2009 at 4:04pm
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Hell, some guy comes at you with a knife at night, and you reach into your back pocket and pull this out he'll probably assume it's a billfold. My default thinking would not be that someone is going to pull a carbine out of their pocket. ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 22 November 2009 at 4:09pm
I've got something in my pocket for you... big boy....  ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 22 November 2009 at 4:13pm
Hence my choice of the term 'carbine'. Short barrel, more easily handled, generally underpowered. ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 22 November 2009 at 4:24pm
Writing. Your. Point. Clearly. Is. Key. No where in your previous messages had you said that. You could also carry it with the light off..... In most urban enviroments flashlights are a little out of place, true. however I carry mine with me pretty much 24/7. Once you do you realise how handy they are. How often do you see people try illuminate things with their cell phone screens? Those little LED keychains are fine, but 99% of the time my torch is a Surefire E2D, the other 1% is a cheapy multi LED torch. I can't think, offhand, where this would fill the perfect gap as a CCW. I DO however think there are some places it could be handy. On a farm? While farms in the States are probably fairly safe, that isn't the case all over the world. One thing I do agree with you was the question of "firepower". The 9x19mm is a 9x19mm. Because it is a pistol round you get very little benifit from a longer barrel. THIS is why I suggested the .224 Boz. While not a true rifle round, it also isn't a pistol round, really. In a gunfight, hitting your target is what counts. And it is easier to shoot a shoulder weapon than a hand gun. Having a light on the weapon makes aiming and shooting and hitting the threat even easier. Doing it with a gun in one hand and a torch in the other is not so easy. On a non shooting in the street note, would this thing folded up count as unloaded for shooting ranges? KBK |
Posted By: impulse!!
Date Posted: 22 November 2009 at 5:18pm
No. ------------- 
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Posted By: Uncle Rudder
Date Posted: 22 November 2009 at 6:26pm
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This is perhaps the most retarded thing to argue over. Ever. ------------- 
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Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 22 November 2009 at 9:10pm
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There're reasons none of these weapons have come to the market. One is the regulations they fall under. The other is that weapons like the MP-5 and at the other end of this weapons spectrum, pistols, do everything this weapon can do while not being difficult to find (and therefore cheaper). It's a cool toy, and that's it. I agree with all of what you said, tallen, except for the last bit. Capacity and firepower are definitely linked, especially in the role you say this weapon should fill. Carrying fewer magazines, or simply having more ammunition, absolutely does matter when you need to punch through an armed attacker and escape. Also, I'm not saying that your weapon shouldn't have a light. There's a reason people like Surefire have a market. What I'm saying is that carrying a big box flashlight will make you stand out. Again, I'm not sure whether that's a bad thing or a good one. ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: Belt #2
Date Posted: 23 November 2009 at 12:20am
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Yuck.... He said Glock. Real men use 1911s or Sig Sauers. Hit up google and type in "glock catastrophic failure." You'll see what I mean. I have shot a Glock on one occasion, and it left MUCH to be desired. Who wants a 'tupperware' gun anyway? Give me steel; it's a weapon even when empty, ------------- Most importantly - People suck. |
Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 23 November 2009 at 12:41am
A real mans weapon. Deploys out of walking staff mode to become epic battle axe, handy in all tight situations. ------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
Posted By: Stingray
Date Posted: 23 November 2009 at 6:01pm
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This looks like it has a bit better ergonomics than the Ares FMG and the PP-90.
The folding gun concept is something that I could see there being a demand for someday, if that day's not now. I was looking at the PP-90 and it looks like something the allies would have dropped into occupied Europe during the war. It's super unergonomic but it's all stamped steel making for a super cheap production cost and then concealable firepower. %20 - http://world.guns.ru/smg/smg10-e.htm ------------- 
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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 23 November 2009 at 6:35pm
Survival/E&E weapon for downed aircrew? Z-day bugout gun? Your backup wager if you miss the question on final Jeopardy? Anyway, I give it less than a week before there's an airsoft version. ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |