Windows 7 Fail
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Topic: Windows 7 Fail
Posted By: choopie911
Subject: Windows 7 Fail
Date Posted: 23 November 2009 at 2:06pm
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Who builds an OS without a disk utility? Seriously. I'm trying to mount and install from an .iso but am completely unable to. I downloaded alcohol 52% which is supposed to have windows 7 support. Sure enough of course it doesn't, and it doesn't even give me the option of trying to run it anyways, it just tells me its unsupported and gives me the option to close it.
Of course this makes sense because my friend JUST installed the same copy of the same program onto the same install of windows 7 on his own laptop, which is the same as mine.... So that's great, so I go get daemon tools instead. Yay, it shows up in my tray at least, but sure enough I try to open the .iso and WHOOPS COMMAND LINE ERROR. Also, why on earth did they choose to start their new os with the flashing cursor? It's SO budget it's sad. |
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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 23 November 2009 at 2:16pm
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 23 November 2009 at 2:21pm
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I'm just going through various programs and trying them and nothing is working. It either errors, or isn't supported. Then it decided to fail at copying a file from a dvd with 9 minutes left which was super, and I had to use task manager to get rid of the "cancelling transfer" window, which then somehow removed EVERYTHING from my screen except the mouse and wallpaper.... then it went to the "change user" screen and went back and everything was fine.
At that point I gave up and booted back to OS X. I know I had talked about liking windows 7 before for games and stuff, and had only used it for basic browsing, games, etc. Now that I'm trying to use this for work, it's terribad. So many stupid design decisions that should have been figured out in Windows XP onwards. I know it's just the Microsoft way of doing things, but they certainly aren't fans of simplicity or intuitive design. |
Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 23 November 2009 at 2:24pm
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Told ya so.
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Posted By: God
Date Posted: 23 November 2009 at 2:26pm
| Microsoft is used to its users being capable of using more than one mouse button. |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 23 November 2009 at 2:26pm
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Pirated copy choopie? I've seen directions online to get the files onto a bootable cd but I will have to look for the site later. ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 23 November 2009 at 3:11pm
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I use MagicDisk for mounting ISO...it works, I actually just did it on a windows 7 machine today. ------------- ? |
Posted By: ¤ Råp¡Ð F¡rè ¤
Date Posted: 23 November 2009 at 3:12pm
Sounds like a corrupt loader, not Windows 7. Also, I thought I heard that Windows 7 has it's own ISO loader now; you don't need 3rd party software. ------------- 
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choopie911 wrote:Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 23 November 2009 at 3:24pm
Actually, I noticed this too when I was trying my install today. They do have one but it was sort of a pain in the neck to learn on the fly, so I stuck with what I know and installed MagicDisk and it worked without a flaw. ------------- ? |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 23 November 2009 at 3:33pm
| I'll give those a try. ALSO, who ships a modern OS with no pdf support? Seriously who is in charge of these things? They also made the control panel for children, which is annoying instead of straight forward. |
Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 23 November 2009 at 3:41pm
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You can change the control panel to Classic View, if you'd like. Once you get used to the new version, it really is somewhat faster. Also, I've been using PowerISO on the 7 RC for what, 4,5 months now with no problems. I seriously doubt they somehow screwed up it's compatibility in the RTM. I thought having to download Adobe was a bit silly, but it's not like it's very difficult. ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 23 November 2009 at 3:45pm
Yeah I don't think they're all messed up, I've just had really unfortunate luck getting a working one. And it's not about if its difficult or not, it's just something simple that you include. I'd think they were CRAZY if they didn't include .jpg or .mp3 support, and .pdf is pretty much up there in terms of "what idiot didn't include this?" |
Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 23 November 2009 at 3:48pm
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Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Date Posted: 23 November 2009 at 4:01pm
Win.  |
Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 23 November 2009 at 4:16pm
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Use WinRAR to open and extract the goods from the .iso and install from a folder, you noob. This thread should read Choopie911 MEGAFAIL. ------------- 
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Posted By: FarSeer
Date Posted: 23 November 2009 at 4:25pm
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I've heard that BootCamp causes all sorts of problems with Win7. Us Mac users may have to wait for an update before installing Win7. ------------- http://tbish.webs.com/tippy.html - My E-Bolted 98 |
Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 23 November 2009 at 4:36pm
Wrong. My brother has been Bootcamping Windows 7 for the last month, and I've been using the RC since July or August. I also have heard a large number of fellow Mac owners on the Nation who have had no trouble installing and using 7. It works fine. ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: ammolord
Date Posted: 23 November 2009 at 5:40pm
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 23 November 2009 at 7:34pm
And winrar is built into the OS now, and you can do this from first install without add ons? No. Thus windows 7 FAIL. |
Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 23 November 2009 at 9:36pm
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The difference is that you have a choice of programs with Windows, so this way you actually get to go ahead, make the choice, and take a few seconds to download it.
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 23 November 2009 at 9:49pm
| Yeah, OS X only has the option to use the software the computer ships with to do anything. Now that you mention it, that IS a common difference I have certainly heard mentioned elsewhere before, and completely true. |
Posted By: FROG MAN
Date Posted: 23 November 2009 at 11:06pm
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and mac users wonder why they have a terrible reputation.
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Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 23 November 2009 at 11:09pm
:facepalm: I'm assuming you've used past versions of Windows. None of them came with a PDF reader. If you didn't want to pay money for an OS without a PDF reader, then don't. But don't complain about it when you absolutely should have expected it not to have one. If you're really going to argue that there are anywhere near as many programs for OS X as for Windows, I will gladly sit back and laugh at you. ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: Shub
Date Posted: 23 November 2009 at 11:40pm
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Microsoft Virtual PC. I don't know why it isn't bundled into Win7, since one of Win7 Pro's selling points is the Virtual XP mode built in (which requires that users go download and install MS Virtual PC.
But Virtual PC will allow you to mount isos. |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 23 November 2009 at 11:50pm
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So the fact that windows didn't have pdf support in the past is a good reason not to include it now how?
Isn't the point for an os to be better, not just on par? |
Posted By: Shub
Date Posted: 24 November 2009 at 12:02am
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When Microsoft recently released their free antivirus software, MS Security Essentials, the A/V companies went nuts. Symantec, McAfee and everyone else was crying foul from Microsoft for undermining their business.
I just have the feeling that there was some dirty backroom deal made that keeps Microsoft from embedding a PDF reader into Windows. |
Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 24 November 2009 at 12:06am
Just out of curiosity, how long has apple offered native PDF support? I honestly don't know. ------------- Real Men play Tuba [IMG]http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/1859/newsmall6xz.jpg"> PH33R TEH 1337 Dwarf! http://www.tippmann.com/forum/wwf77a/log_off_user.asp" rel="nofollow - DONT CLICK ME!!1 |
Posted By: ¤ Råp¡Ð F¡rè ¤
Date Posted: 24 November 2009 at 12:49am
No gonna lie... as I read this sentence, I couldn't stop thinking about how it seemed to be describing a Mac. -------------
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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 24 November 2009 at 11:27am
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I installed W7 using DaemonTools just fine...
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Posted By: mod98commando
Date Posted: 24 November 2009 at 11:26pm
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I won't deny that nearly everybody needs to be able to open PDF's at some point so it would be convenient to have native support. However, who cares? It takes 2 seconds to download acrobat reader and then you're set. Why did MS decide not to support PDF natively? Maybe there's a licensing issue or maybe people would flip out and accuse MS of taking over the PDF market just for making windows capable of reading those file types. I doubt anybody here could actually answer that question. I could complain about Windows not coming with Firefox or Winamp or Visual Studio, etc. You can pick nearly anything and find a large group of people who could benefit from having it included in the Windows install but that doesn't mean it should be included. Granted PDF support would probably benefit more people than any specific application, it's still such a minor issue. I think the fact that you're complaining about that rather than how it handles core OS duties would indicate success on their part. After all, Windows is supposed to be an OS, not an uber-app that does everything for you. It's best if MS focuses on making a good OS and lets companies like Adobe focus on making the PDF readers and the same goes for other apps. Those extras just distract them from their main goal of making a solid OS without bloat. ------------- oreomann33: Everybody invades Poland Rofl_Mao: And everyone eats turkey Me: But only if they're hungary Mack: Yeah but hungary people go russian through their food and end up with greece on everyth |
Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 25 November 2009 at 12:20am
Apple has an extremely easy to use system preferences menu that still manages to avoid looking like it was designed for six year olds.   -------------
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Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 25 November 2009 at 12:33am
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I don't see how Windows looks any more like it was designed for children than any interface designed by Apple.
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 25 November 2009 at 3:00am
And that's why you use windows.
Uh? By adding support to an image viewing program? How would other operating systems do this without the same "licensing issues" of supporting a filetype? Mac uses Preview to open your average picture, but also works for PDF's. It works fine, but if you still want the choice of something else, there still are other options, it just works by default as well.
All of those are specific programs, not general support of a common filetype.
Yeah, because windows including file support was what caused them problems in the past. That was why there was bloat, for sure. And I never said windows should be an uber app, I just think it should include basic important functionality and support that nearly all users will need, and could be easily included. As previously stated you can still get a better one (firefox instead of IE is a current example) All that aside, I'm REALLY annoyed by the fact that I almost always have to restart after an install, even of a really small simple application like poweriso, etc. I don't get why you need to restart your computer after a minor application install. System/ OS update sure, that makes sense....adding a small application.....come on. |
Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 25 November 2009 at 4:04am
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Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 25 November 2009 at 9:45am
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You know what's funny, Choop? Currently posting from my Mac. I use Windows on it because I discovered just how stupid my overpriced Mac was over the course of last year. OS X isn't any more powerful than Windows, Apple has a nice little price gouge going on, and I can't play the vast majority of games on it. If I ever have another Unix machine, it'll be running Linux.
OK, Darur has to be right. You have to be trolling. Again, if you don't like Windows, don't buy it. But when you buy an OS you know doesn't have one minor program, and then complain about it, you're just whining. ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 25 November 2009 at 10:15am
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Fail thread is fail.
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Posted By: Shub
Date Posted: 25 November 2009 at 4:52pm
Microsoft plays by different rules because they carry nearly 90% of the market share. Mac includes Safari and itunes into OS X and that is called good bundled features. Windows includes Internet Explorer and Media Player, and the EU calls it Antitrust. |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 25 November 2009 at 4:57pm
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"The complaint centered on the license practices at the time which required royalties from each computer sold by a supplier of Microsoft's operating system, whether or not the unit actually contained the Windows operating system. Microsoft reached a settlement in 1994, ending some of its license practices"
And as I recall the IE issue was with a microsoft monopoly? I could be wrong, as it's been AGES since I heard/ thought about those cases, so I wouldnt be too surprised if I'm off on something. |
Posted By: God
Date Posted: 25 November 2009 at 4:59pm
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I fail to see why people complain how an OS is crap or a failure based on one or two minor and easily fixed issues. Its the same as a child whinnying about the 100 dollar bill their parents give them because a corner is bent.
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 25 November 2009 at 5:05pm
Not really, it's expecting certain features to be common sense and working by this day and age, and thinking it's laughable that they still don't. |
Posted By: ¤ Råp¡Ð F¡rè ¤
Date Posted: 25 November 2009 at 11:47pm
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Posted By: Shub
Date Posted: 26 November 2009 at 3:12am
The media player thing did include some licensing complaints. That was a while ago now. But the IE thing isn't ages old...it was on anti-competition laws, and it was regarding the release of Windows 7 and IE 8, released in Europe on the same schedule as North America, Oct 22. |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 26 November 2009 at 4:20am
Im not sure I get it, but that just seems silly :S |
Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 26 November 2009 at 4:32am
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Choopie isn't trolling. There is a reason Windows is trying so hard to imitate Mac functionality and style. -------------
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Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 26 November 2009 at 12:28pm
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You mean because college students are easily tricked into buying something by its appearance, rather than its actual capabilities? There is a reason that Windows has the majority of the market. ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 26 November 2009 at 3:12pm
And you just named it. |
Posted By: God
Date Posted: 26 November 2009 at 3:57pm
Why is it common sense to include it? Microsoft hasnt included it thus far in any of their OS, Microsoft users know where to easily get a free copy of a pdf reader that they are familiar with installing with every new OS. The only people that would have an issue are mac users that are used to being coddled and with 80 percent of the market, does Microsoft really need to go out and coddle such a small part of their potential customer base? Plus, by including the program, Microsoft would have to be responsible to update the software and maintain its usability. Why try and tackle another program when there are other companies that offer the same product for free? Your complaint can be likened to saying that the SnowLeopard OS is a failure because it does not come with Minesweeper installed.
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 26 November 2009 at 4:03pm
Once again, a specific program (a game at that) is NOT the same thing as asking for basic file functionality and support. And I'm sorry if Microsoft would have a hard time keeping pdf support up to date, what business do they have making operating systems? They should be able to manage just fine considering their resources. So should cars be sold without stereos because they know people can just go out and buy their own better one that is more up to date than the car manufacturer can supply? |
Posted By: God
Date Posted: 26 November 2009 at 4:06pm
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For anyone that has an office job knows, Minesweeper is used more than any .pdf program. When you acquired Windows 7, your bought an OS not a pdf reader. You wouldnt expect your OS to come with a full functioning publishing suite of software would you?
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 26 November 2009 at 4:09pm
 That is a good point about minesweeper. And I know, I just still expect certain basic, basic things. That's just one of the gripes with Windows, I just don't like how they tend to do things. Even their file system structure seems unintuitive (well it sort of is)
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Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 26 November 2009 at 4:33pm
Aside from mathlab or whatever, which only applies to a small group of students, there are very few reasons for a college student to require any specific OS. They take the one that doesn't suck, won't give them viruses, and won't crash. Why would a college student ever buy a Sony? They are just as expensive as Mac, and do the same thing. I've said it before: people buy Mac (and Sony) for the same reasons they buy Audi and BMW. -------------
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 26 November 2009 at 4:38pm
That's funny, because Microsoft and Ford do remind me of one another quite a bit. |
Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 26 November 2009 at 5:36pm
The vast majority of students could spend half as much on a PC as they do on their Mac, and get the same functionality. Sony doesn't even have a significant market share, using them as an example is misleading. Asus, HP, and Dell all produce reliable computers with the same specs as a Macbook for half the price. If you're willing to pay out the butt for OS X, feel free. Personally, I see it as being highly unlikely that I will ever buy another Mac product. If I ever did decide to use OS X again, I would not run it on a Mac, I would buy a PC to install it on. There's simply no reason to pay the massive price for their hardware, just to get a different OS with no significant functional differences. And if you think that you're safe from viruses and worms, I would suggest that in the next few years, that will not be true. Not that I actually have any problems with them on Windows, and frankly taking steps to prevent infection are just not hard. ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 26 November 2009 at 6:25pm
Well seeing as the "wait a couple years and you'll see" attitude about macs and viruses has been going on for years, I'll just wait until it actually is a problem, not just a bogeyman. And I'd also say having some of the highest ranked customer support is pretty nice. If my display craps out I don't need to go get a new computer, I dont even need to go buy a new display, my applecare takes care of it. Yeah you have to pay for it, but it pays for itself right away if you ever need anything replaced. And yes....theres a reason to run it on their hardware, you missed the point entirely if you don't think so. Apple has hardware control from step one, and writes their software accordingly. They know what hardware you will have, what its specs are, what could cause problems, etc. With windows, or running mac on different hardware, there are an infinite number of combinations of hardware you could use, and thus the OS isn't optimized for those. Yeah, I totally understand the importance of choice, and it would be simply stupid if you couldn't build your own PC, but theres a reason for their hardware, it's not just because they can. |
Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 26 November 2009 at 6:32pm
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My motherboard died freshman year of college. I received the box Friday, sent it out Saturday, and had a functioning computer back Tuesday afternoon, at no cost.
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 26 November 2009 at 8:24pm
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Always good to hear, good for whichever company it was, nice to see people not being hurtbags.
And since I already have a windows 7 thread going, does anyone know if I can play music in windows 7 from my library in os x? I can read files from os x, and I changed my media player library to the folder I want, but nothing will show up |
Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 27 November 2009 at 12:34am
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If you're using MacDrive or a similar program, you should just be able to play directly from the folder.
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 27 November 2009 at 3:15am
I agree, thats what I thought. That is a really nice part of win7 so far, you can read your mac partition without macdrive, so I thought it should work no problem. But still, I added my library as normal, but no songs showed up |
Posted By: jerseypaint
Date Posted: 27 November 2009 at 3:24am
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For some reason Windows is a very selfish program, always has been. It basically refuses all other files other than what is located on its OS. Its really the only problem I have with Windows, especially since it refuses to read my Ubuntu partition. ------------- 
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Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 27 November 2009 at 4:17am
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Oh hey, I actually have a serious question. With VM ware fusion, 1) does it work with windows 7 2) is it possible to transfer files between mac/pc partitions in a fluid, not-complex manner? -------------
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Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 27 November 2009 at 10:53am
Yes. Yes. I've got a copy waiting to be installed three feet from me. Is good stuff. ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: Shub
Date Posted: 27 November 2009 at 2:28pm
Windows cannot see your Ubuntu partitions due to file system incompatibilities. Windows uses the FAT32 and NTFS file systems. Ubuntu can see and understand those file systems (that's why ubuntu can see your Windows partition). But, Ubuntu doesn't use FAT32 or NTFS as it's primary file system, it typically uses the EXT* family of file systems. You can download utilities for Windows that will allow Windows to see and mount foreign file systems. |
Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 27 November 2009 at 2:35pm
Hmmm, I will have to check this out. Does not seem to happen on the RC. ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 27 November 2009 at 3:07pm
I've been able to access files on my mac partition in windows 7 already. Could have been a driver installed through bootcamp, but I didn't need macdrive or anything |
Posted By: jerseypaint
Date Posted: 27 November 2009 at 3:08pm
I can't believe I didn't realize this. -------------
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Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 27 November 2009 at 3:49pm
Cool. I'm pretty close to buying a new macbook pro and fusion comes free with it. -------------
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Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 27 November 2009 at 4:15pm
Did they just show up? I'm trying to see it on the RC, haven't found anything by Googling. ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 27 November 2009 at 4:37pm
What do you mean? I just navigate to the files normally, it just has the mac partition visible |
Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 27 November 2009 at 6:13pm
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I think the feature just doesn't exist in the RC. When I get my copy of 7 installed, I'll have to take a look again.
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Posted By: Hairball!!!
Date Posted: 27 November 2009 at 6:59pm
| I think a fairly recent version of Boot Camp included the hfs filesystem reading capability. |
Posted By: Koolit32
Date Posted: 27 November 2009 at 8:52pm
| I'm using virtual clone drive. I hated windows 7 at first, forced to use it at work. Now I have it looking sexy and I'm enjoying that. |
Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 27 November 2009 at 10:44pm
That makes more sense than including it in Windows 7. I'll go check it out. *EDIT* Yep, reading HFS+ is supported under Boot Camp 3.0, according to Wikipedia. Which means you have to own 10.6. Not paying for that, don't even use the Mac side much. ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: Mehs
Date Posted: 28 November 2009 at 3:26pm
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Have you tried running it in compatibility mode for Windows XP or Vista? That's literally all I had to do when I was using the RC, and it worked fine. ------------- [IMG]http://i27.tinypic.com/1538fbc.jpg"> Squeeze Box ☣ |
Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 28 November 2009 at 7:05pm
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What are talking about right now? If it's Boot Camp, that's working fine. But reading HFS+ file types is only supported by version 3.0, which is only available if you own 10.6, which I do not. ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: Hairball!!!
Date Posted: 28 November 2009 at 9:08pm
| Don't forget that 10.6 is only $30. |
Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Date Posted: 28 November 2009 at 9:52pm
| so boot camp is for people who buy a $2000 computer and realize they cant do anything with it and they buy something else that can make it do stuff? |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 28 November 2009 at 10:00pm
Not at all really, it's an easy way to have multiple operating systems (not just windows) on one machine that you know has good hardware and support. |
Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 29 November 2009 at 2:55am
Yup. For example, I need windows for literally a single program. The rest of what I do can be done on mac. -------------
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 29 November 2009 at 3:01am
Yeah, I use it for steam, and for Unreal Editor this semester. |
Posted By: a_sock
Date Posted: 02 December 2009 at 9:51am
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Hey, computer noob here, just got a new computer with windows 7 and have no idea how to get the information required to get on xbox live(ie ipv4 ip address, gateway and such. Found it on my old computer within a minute, but cant find it on the new one...)
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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 02 December 2009 at 3:53pm
ipconfig /all That should give you everything you need. ------------- irc.esper.net #paintball |
Posted By: a_sock
Date Posted: 02 December 2009 at 4:54pm
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I have tried that and it did not give me all the information, and after calling tech support the information I have was different from whats on my computer(so I would assume the ip address and information on my pc is correct and the info I got over the phone was incorrect) ------------- its easy to be famous, just set yourself on fire |
Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Date Posted: 02 December 2009 at 4:57pm
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Windows 7 does not fail and it does deliver. /thread |
Posted By: JoStal
Date Posted: 02 December 2009 at 6:53pm
| what's so good about Windows 7? |
Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Date Posted: 02 December 2009 at 8:17pm
| What's so bad about Windows 7? |
Posted By: JoStal
Date Posted: 02 December 2009 at 8:30pm
| I don't have windows 7. How do I know? |